Oni and vampires certainly act very different to each other. Then again, Remilia could be an atypical vampire. Perhaps other vampires are like Flandre, although then they'd still be different from oni.
Useful note: I am referring to eccentric Flandre, who relies heavily on Buffy Speak and rather odd metaphors, not psycho blow-stuff-up Flandre.
edited 29th Jul '11 3:45:55 AM by asterism
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I'm not sure what Touhou is other than taking plays on words literally.
I always thought Touhou was about girls who vaguely resemble mythical youkai and other monsters shooting at each other. Huh.
As asterism said, vampires and oni don't really act alike. And from what I can tell, they don't share many traits aside from their weaknesses. You never see Suika drink blood or Flandre constantly drunk, and Remilia doesn't come off as very honest. Unless...
Onis turn into vampires when sober. The addition of crippling vampire weaknesses is something they really don't want, so they always aim to stay drunk.
Note that I don't actually believe that silly WMG.
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Well, that would certainly explain why I love it so much.
As for power imbalance... Well, it's hard to pinpoint. I just think that, if one particular "faction" was to become overly powerful, there'd be a lot of tension. As it stands, the Mansion, Eientei, the Moriya Shrine, the Youkai Shrine, et cetera, are pretty much equal in power. You could say that Yukari's faction is the most powerful... And it's probably true that they are feared, somewhat. Yukari at least.
And we do have at least one instance of a faction being afraid of another, namely the Tengu (and Kappa) being afraid of the oni. Who would probably count as an overpowered faction, given that Suika alone is said to be able to defeat all the Tengu...
That, and I think that if Remilia knew of any vampires (of comparable strength), her rivalry with them would be a highly visible thing.
edited 29th Jul '11 3:51:22 AM by Fawriel
What is Yukari's faction, though? The Yakumo clan? the Hakurei Shrine? Hakugyoukurou?
Also, Yukari seems to be more disliked then feared. Basically everyone's reaction to her in Ia MP is 'Oh no, not you again'. Even Yuyuko, who is her friend and doesn't really react that way towards anyone else.
edited 29th Jul '11 3:58:24 AM by asterism
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TOPIC OF WHAT YUKARI'S FACTION IS: Yes.
TOPIC OF PEOPLE BEING ANNOYED AT YUKARI, EVEN HER OWN FRIEND: Ouch. I can kinda get say, Reimu getting annoyed at Yukarinanagins, but Yuyuko? Come to think of it, do we ever see Yukari and Yuyuko being friendly and doing friend things in canon, or was it something just mentioned to justify Yukari being in Perfect Cherry Blossoms?
TOPIC OF VAMPIRES: If the Sea of Blood still exists in Touhou canon, does Remilia and them know about it? Whatever happened to that other vampire girl anyway?
I won't do the all caps "TOPIC OF X" thing again. Sorry.
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Yukari is more of a fact of life than anything else by this point. She's the only Founding Mother of Gensokyo who makes any public appearance anymore and even if she's a Ted Baxter with regards to some of her more outlandish feats no one else seems to see through it, which gives her quite a bit of clout. She isn't so much a faction as the system.
edited 29th Jul '11 4:16:05 AM by Recon5
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Actually I think almost everyone (excepting the human village for obvious reasons) would have at least some fear for the smallest faction (read; Hakurei Shrine) because they know she can kick their asses. They might have similar fear for the forest of magic due to Marisa, SDM becasue Sakuya, etc. Bascially, if they're a playable character in a non-Phantasmagoria main series game, whoever they face would have some fear for them. The human village, being mainly hmans, would be afraid of most of the others.
Yukari seems more like the type to randomly decide to fight the system actually. Hilarity ensues when Ran reminds her that she is the system. Then Yukari gets bored and goes back to sleep.
So basicly, the "factions" who at least someone (if not most "commoners") would fear would be the Hakurei Shrine, the Moriya Shrine, the SDM, the Netherworld, and whatever faction Marisa feels like being in at the time? Or did I misread something?
Reimu refers to Yukari as Yuyuko's friend in Ia MP. Dunno if either Yuyuko or Yukari acknowledge the relationship, though. I think they're Xanatos partners in the manga with the Watatsukis.
Marisa's faction is her own. Occasionally it has Alice in it.
edited 29th Jul '11 4:24:26 AM by asterism
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And that may be another reason for people to avoid Yukari: fearing they'll be drawn into her latest gambit. She has already demonstrated she isn't half as silly as she makes herself look.
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We never really see them interacting or anything, but it seems they consider each other friends. Annd have enough trust in one another to enact Xanatos Gambits without talking to each other.
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Good friends can annoy each other. Especially since Yuyuko's primary goal during an Incident is to exploit it for all its worth and Yukari's is to exploit it for all its worth and then solve it and make snide comments about Reimu if applicable. Lot of conflict in those differing goals.
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I...I can't tell if you were being sarcastic there.
ON TOPIC: So what about that Vampire House? It sure is red. Was it made red or did it get painted red?
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I guess that depends on whether Remilia obtained the mansion because it was red, painted it red because of her nickname, or painted it red because she liked the color.
I like to think it was always red. For no reason.
Also, how convenient that Remilia's nickname is the same as her last name. Unless her original last name wasn't even Scarlet. Dun dun dunnnn.
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Of course it was Scarlet. Flandre's last name is also Scarlet.
And yes, I do think that it was always red as far as Remilia can tell. Now, was it built red, or did Percival Scarlet paint it red because he's Percival Scarlet and his houses need to be red darnit. (Speaking of which, I wonder if Remilia's title is one that is passed down? Nah, save it for if we get to Remilia)
EDIT: I think we are starting to overuse the "Remilia's dead dad" OC. Sorry everyone!
edited 29th Jul '11 7:50:03 AM by Otherarrow
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Or it's just really bad nicknaming
'OK, she's called Scarlet and she's a devil...oooh, we need a good evil nickname for her'
'How about...the SCARLET DEVIL'
'...YOU'RE A GENIUS!'
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It's also possible that Remi altered her own destiny by naming herself Scarlet. She may have adopted Flan as her little sister that way, too.
If that's true, I bet her original name was really boring.
'You hear about Agnes Phelps? She's only gone and changed her name to 'Remilia Scarlet'. You ask me it's just a phase she's going through.'
EDIT: Apologies to anyone actually called Agnes Phelps.
EDIT: Anyone want to move on to Remilia? We're speculating a lot about her here.
edited 29th Jul '11 11:55:07 AM by asterism
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I vote for Remilia.
Heck. While were on the topic, might as well move onto the entire SDM cast.
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Seconded, onto the charismatic vampire!
That awkward moment where Kyoro is one of Satan's Generals.
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I vote the Watatsukis. BECAUSE I FEEL CONTRARY >___<
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Completely off topic (is there even a topic), but I can't believe no-one linked this
when we discussed Kisume.
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