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Got my Jeanne d'Archétype "The Maid of Lappland". Score for the event chain: Number of totally-not-Joan-of-Arcs peacefully matrilineally married to a spare brother of mine: 1. Number of duchies she now personally holds: 2. Number of Scots, Russians, Welshmen, and Lithuanians run down by cavalry commanded by the Maid of Lappland: several thousand. Number of nobles and clergy pissed off by some pious peasant girl: almost all of them. Number of nobles bribed: see above. Number of fucks given about pissed off clergy: zero.

For bonus points, Cumania reformed Tengrism and about 2/5 of the former Catholic world is now some sort of heretic and the Crusades can't begin because the Pope doesn't even have enough moral authority to call a Crusade (needs 5% MA, but it's locked at 0% for the enforceable future because the Pope couldn't keep it in his robes).

Is the lady in the Maid of X event always celibate or not?

Give me cute or give me...something?

Yes, but one of the events in the chain can convince her to give up her vow of celibacy if you have the right traits yourself.

Odd things: so far as I can tell, if you convert to another religion group (and even convince Jeanne d'Archétype to do the same), the event chain will actually continue because other than the initial event, none of them actually check that not!Jeanne, your nobles, your clergy, or you are still Christian.

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It's a good thing I had a lot of brothers because the Byzantine Emperor just gave me a chance to more or less annihilate two rival branches of Christianity with a single marriage, since I only need to bump off a single son at the right time to get his daughter, betrothed to my youngest (half-)brother to both become Cathar and take the Greek throne, and since she's a virtuous little tyke, most of the vassals will likely just shrug and convert, and the current Cathar provinces + the Byzantine Empire should be more than enough to replace Catholic as the dominant branch.

edited 22nd Feb '15 10:00:54 AM by Balmung

Schism = mended. The Pentarchy has been restored, and a new Byzantine Emperor was elected. Most of Europe converted to Orthodoxy, except for Italy which stubbornly stayed catholic.

We're gonna need that sweet moral authority, because the Golden Horde has reformed and is destroying everything.

(I am playing as Prydain. I nudged the Byzzies in the right direction juuuuuuust a little bit, to see what would happen.)

edited 22nd Feb '15 4:06:45 PM by OrangeSpider

The Great Northern Threadkill.

I'm kind of annoyed that mending the schism is orthodox only. I went through the effort of making the byzantines catholic just to find that out after I restored Rome and drove everything that wasn't Catholic into tiny, baby religions.

I'm baaaaaaack

Blech, Orthodox. I'm trying to think of something grosser to deal with than multiple religious heads, and I regularly play religions where marrying your siblings is encouraged.

Zoroastrianism is fun! Though I haven't played one of them in a long time.

I'm waiting for the mod Monotheism Rising to make more progress before I do them again, it looks like it will add a lot of flavor and content to them.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

Just found an awesome bugfix mod that basically serves as an unofficial patch. This and the Popefix mod should make a full game playthrough possible again. Only standout is that it doesn't address the random theocracies popping up among Christian realms.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=394125720

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

Speaking of patches, EUIV 1.10 and its accompanying DLC, El Dorado are coming out on the 26th.

And we already have the full patch notes.

So. I bought Vicky 2 last weekend.

Is there a official converter between Europa 4 and Vicky 2?

I really wanna transfer my Papal States game where I united Southern Italy, the Baltics, Hispaniola, and Brazil to Vicky and see how Papacy fares, with democracy.

Well met Friends! I say well met!

An official converter? No, of course not. Victoria 2 is an old game in an old engine. The best you can hope is a converter to Victoria 3 when it comes out.

There is this mod, however. It is still incomplete, though. In particular, the pops are not converter, which I guess it means the mod just paste the EU 4 political situation over the standard Vic 2 pop distribution, which probably leads to fairly weird results.

edited 24th Feb '15 7:46:31 AM by Heatth

To be fair, the official CK 2 -> EU 4 converter does the same thing. Constantinople is still a thriving metropolis in your CK 2? Have a burnt-out husk of it anyway! Paris is an undeveloped hovel and Oslo is the biggest city in the world in your CK 2? TOO BAD, Paris is now the richest city on earth and Oslo has like 4 base tax. Nobody ever built a fort on Rhodes in your CK 2? Now it has level 4 forts anyway!

Yeah, but pop distribution is the core feature of Victoria 2. Messed up population in EU 4 is annoying, but manageable. In Victoria 2? I destroys the game.

Still, I didn't know the official converter did such a poor job on such things. I would expect they at last kept the buildings consistent, as this shouldn't be hard.

edited 24th Feb '15 8:03:13 AM by Heatth

Force March is now given at Adm Tech 9? Awesome!

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

The problem is that there isn't a 1:1 correlation and some provinces have a lot of potential in CK 2 that is rarely fully realized and finding a sensible way to convert CK 2 improvements and holdings to base tax and EU 4 improvements was considered both difficult and computationally expensive, so it just keeps the default EU IV values.

They can barely keep the converter up to date in it's basic form; I doubt they are capable of doing something so complicated and supporting it through both games patches.

Maybe the guys at the Converter Improvement mod could do something but they are still ironing out foundational issues and waiting for CK 2 to patched up.

Unrelated: anyone have interesting suggestions for India starts, preferably Buddhist/Jain/Hindu ones? The maps don't look very appealing, it looks like 1066 Europe with even more stable blobs but I must be missing something here. Maybe even a good starting county/duchy that I can drop a custom ruler in?

edited 24th Feb '15 9:16:37 AM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.

I don't know for sure, but 769 India looks more politically interesting than pretty much any later start's version (especially 867's blob threeway).

The correlation between buildings from one game to the other is pretty straightforward, though. CK 2 have way more buildings, so, but you could make an algorithm to connect them. Like, associate each CK 2 building to one of the EU 4 buildings paths. Then you add them together in each province and calculate the building level in EU 4. Then again, EU 4 doesn't starts with a lot of buildings to begin with, so it might be too much effort for little gain. The extra fort level in Rhodes is just plain weird, though. They could just remove it from the converter games.

edited 24th Feb '15 9:38:08 AM by Heatth

You'd think the fort level thing would be fairly straight forward. Take the average fort level in a province, and if it's <a certain value, then it doesn't count as a for in EU 4. Over that value, level 1 fort. Really advanced fort like Constantinople has, give'er a level 2.

I'm baaaaaaack

The third crusade start date seems interesting as well. Decently fractured and under treat from the big Muslim blob from Persia/Afghanistan. But, yeah, India is at its most fractured in 769.

Oh. I did not know Vic. was out of date.

Do we have any idea when 3 emerges? I really want to do a grand (mega)campaign with the newest games.

Well met Friends! I say well met!

No news yet on Vic 3. With HoI4 releasing soon, it should be the next grand strategy game from Paradox, but you never know. Also, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for an official converter. The experiment with the CK->EU one wasn't the most successful. You might end up relying on mods anyway.

PS:The current mod is in active development right now. So, if you are willing to wait, you might see it working properly eventually.

edited 24th Feb '15 10:07:16 AM by Heatth

There is a good chance of seeing a Vic 3 after HOI 4 is out; EU 4 has years of life left and they won't make another CK 2 so soon either (even assuming that this year and maybe the next see the end of development for it).

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.