0/0 should equal a set of all numbers, real or imaginary. Since that's meaningless and since that only works for dividing zero by zero, we just say it can't be done.
But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.The division operator is defined on R × (R\\{0}). Division by zero is undefined.
the future we had hoped forIt's a straight vertical line so of course the range will be all reals. This isn't really new.
Dividing anything by zero should equal infinity, but it doesn't,(partly) because you can't apply math to infinity.
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - TraziunNo, not really. The limit of 1/0 is ∞ while the limit of -1/0 is -∞, and such. And you can too apply mathematics to infinity, it's just different.
[1] This facsimile operated in part by synAC.Maybe I should rephrase that, you can apply math to infinity, you're just not going to get any meaningful results. Also, -∞ = ∞, because infinity is both positive and negative. ( So I'm still right. And how do you get the ∞ to come out? )
edited 27th Nov '10 5:04:41 AM by satannstuff
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - TraziunLike this: ∞
Also:
∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞
Check it out, it's a knotwork border for my post!
∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞
Edit: Dammit.
edited 27th Nov '10 5:04:36 AM by BlackWolfe
But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.That's not very helpful, I just copied it from tzetze's post.
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - TraziunThat's what I'd done, but putting it in a pothole converts it over. Which is why the "dammit" edit.
∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞∞
becomes
∞ over and over
edited 27th Nov '10 5:10:55 AM by BlackWolfe
But soft! What rock through yonder window breaks? It is a brick! And Juliet is out cold.Oh sure you can. 2ℵ0 = ℵ1, for example.
edited 27th Nov '10 10:14:01 AM by Tzetze
[1] This facsimile operated in part by synAC.You really want to go there?
ℵ0 = ∞
ℵ1 = ∞
ℵ0 = ℵ1 = ∞
The whole idea that you can define sets of infinity is just plain wrong. Both sets of numbers are infinite, if ℵ0 is infinite, and ℵ1 is infinite, both must be the same size. Just because the numbers in ℵ1 occur more frequently than those in ℵ0 doesn't mean there are more of them. You can't even describe infinity in terms of size or numbers because it is all sizes and numbers at once.
( Nothing personal, by the way, it's just that this transfinite stuff really bugs me. )
edited 28th Nov '10 4:18:42 AM by satannstuff
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - TraziunAnything divided by zero is inherently a hyperbolic equation and thus not a mathematical function at the asymptote.
However the asymptote of such equations has real solutions even when divided by zero. Simply put, you have three solutions: ∞, -∞, and 0. All at the same time. Which is why things puke up an error on calculators and computers and teachers tell you don't bother calculating. It's the same answers no matter how the equation is designed.
You are wrong. There is no bijection between the set Z and the set 2Z, therefore they have different cardinality.
the future we had hoped for∞ = ∞
No matter how you try to divide it up, it's still infinite, size doesn't apply to infinity, to think that it does is just naive.
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - TraziunSeriously, guys... I'm only taking algebra 1. I'm a freshman in high school.
Above all, always remember to stay positive.Don't worry, you're not going to have to learn this in high school.
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - TraziunTo think that it doesn't is denying about a century's worth of math. We can get useful results by recognizing different infinities.
[1] This facsimile operated in part by synAC.A century's worth of math has failed to prove CH, if you want to try go right ahead, I'm not going anywhere.
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - TraziunThe continuum hypothesis? If all infinities are equal as you insist, CH isn't even possible to formulate.
[1] This facsimile operated in part by synAC.That's my point. ( Nice avatar by the way, that's like your third, this week? )
edited 2nd Dec '10 1:20:16 AM by satannstuff
"Do you want me to make a speech or something?" - Traziun
Okay, so everybody knows that anything multiplied by zero is zero. 6x0=0. what if you reverse that? 0/0=6. of course, all numbers do this. 3x0=0. so, 0/0=3. therefore, if zero divided by zero is every number, then should 0/0= {R} (all real numbers) or infinity?
Above all, always remember to stay positive.