Dragon Ball Multiverse

The year by the end of the Namek arc is because they used Earth's dragon balls to wish Goku back to fight the saiyans, then use them again during the fight with Frieza to bring back all his victims.

Uh...the Dragon Balls were active immediately because Kami was revived.

It wasn't an extra year.

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So that means, that if they make a wish, kill the dragon before it can disperse, and then have Dende fix it, they can get wishes more often than one year?

That's literally what happened when King Piccoro did it.

It wasn't exactly that long after he wished for his youth that everyone he killed was revived...considering that over a year rule about mass revivals.

Is that how it happened? It's been a while so I guess I forgot.

Huh. It's a good thing the heroes (and I use the term loosely) are either too nice to try something like that...or too dumb to think of it, at least in Shenron's case.

He'd be having a shitty time if they did.

@Timing of Namek saga: I think it goes something like this.

• Prep time for trip(finding ship, gathering supplies, etc): Approximately 1 or 2 weeks; 7-14 days; 7-14 total
• Actual trip to Namek: Around 2 months; about 60 days; 67-74 total
• Time spent on Namek: A few days(let's say 3) to a week; 3-7 days; 70-81 total
• Time between return from Namek and Namekian Dragon Ball wish 1: About 4 months; 120 days; 190-201 total
• Time until second wish: see above; 310-321 total

So adding it up that's at least 300 days and roughly 2 or 3 weeks of time that's less clear. I think saying the saga takes about a year is accurate.

Where is 18?

A little late with this one, since there's gonna be another chapter tomorrow.

Double post:

Well, I guess we know what she's doing now huh?

This is just my idea for how this could work if you adapted Super's canon.

It's been bothering me for quite a while how this comic justifies Universe 16's existence after Super retconned/explained how the Potara fusion really works.

I mean, Vegito not thinking to un-fuse himself with the filthy wish dragon aside. Anyway.

Here's what I would have proposed:

• In Universe 16 Goku was offered the earrings
• However, Goku is dead as sh't
• So rather than have some "give life at the expense of his own" ability, Old Kai suggests fusing with him first to restore Goku's life so he can go back to Earth.
  • Failing this, maybe Old Kai is just selfish and he'd rather live on as a fused being than be dead
• So they do this, and now Goku-kai, with his Kaioshin powers, can teleport to Earth lickity-split
  • I mean, Goku was willing to fuse with his own for all eternity, so why not become an old Kai?
• Things play out, Vegeta shows up
• They fuse, and now Vegito Kai is looking more like Vegito but with Kai clothes
• They whoop Buu and get absorbed
• Because the fusion was with a Kaio it remains stable
• They free the others, escape, kill Buu, and Old Vegito is free to live his life

My other proposal was:

• Goku goes to Earth, fuses with Vegeta, they beat Buu
• This only takes them about 5-10 minutes with no excess use of power because Vegito doesn't f'ck around here and go Super Saiyan
• They stay Vegito, whereas in Universe 18 Vegito goes Super Saiyan, f'cks around, and the moment he gets inside of Buu he defuses
• Vegito rescues everybody, escapes, kills Buu
• He goes inside of the ROSAT to think and, since there's an elongated passage of time there, this gives time for him to speak with people like Android 18 and Chi-Chi and Bulma like he does in U16's backstory
• Before he can come to a decision, Old Kai and Supreme Kai show up
• Vegito is stupid strong and he could be the guardian that universe needs
• So while the fusion could be up in an hour, Supreme Kai offers him the choice to fuse with one of them and become VEGITO, SUPREME WARRIOR OF THE UNIVERSE
• Vegito accepts, fuses, leaves the ROSAT with a stable fusion and the name "Kibito-vegito"
• Then he fathers the sh't out of Bra and we fast-forward to years later where they're both outrageously strong
  • Or rather, Gohan raises Bra and Vegito mostly gets drunk on his newfound power
• Kibito Vegito is feared throughout the known universe

edited 17th Apr '18 7:42:13 AM by Soble

Why on Earth would DBM follow a minir, unhelpful detail from Super when it was written years before Super and doesn't use Super?

For real, it seems some people forget how old the comic is.

Was kinda wondering the same thing really. That fusion rule only came up in super and might as well only exist to ensure that they could use Vegito again, but make it not permanent. They definitely have no obligation to rewrite their own canon around that concept.

That fusion rule is dumb, and exists so that Vegito can fail to save the day, thereby making him as useful as regular fusion.

Let me word this a different way before this gets contagious.

It bothers me that Super just isn't compliant with Multiverse. To a certain point it's not impossible for this comic to connect with Super, but the potara rule is the most glaring difference I've noticed.

Everything else in the comic - Goku and Vegeta having unknown powers, meeting their old foes again, Broly being stupid strong, universes where the villains won, most if not all of these can be headcanon'd in a way that makes some sense when Super's additions are accounted for. The potara fusion can't. It's a glaring contradiction. Vegito can't be fused for longer than an hour, so the entire premise of Universe 16 is wack.

So rather than just ignore the rule because I'm a disgruntled fan, and because I've had a change of heart about the idea of a 1-hour limit that made me wonder how it could apply here, and because I like to think outside of the box instead of just totally disregarding things I dislike, and because it makes the idea of Vegito continuing to exist more interesting to me - I came up with an alternative.

Why would the comic pay attention to a detail from Super? It wouldn't. I didn't mean to say that it would. But Salagir is obviously aware of it given that he had Beerus and Whis show up for a cameo, and it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that Super exists in a different universe, and the physics of each universe are different.

And before you say it - "it's still not compliant because there are x universes in Super/Multiverse," or, "the timeline mechanics work differently and Salagir disregards Super's rules."

Does it matter? It's fan fiction, not quantum physics.

So what your saying is that it's more of a if it could work in Super's canon, how would it? type of thing rather than claiming it does work within the canon?

And I felt the same way. But then I started thinking differently.

Yes, it exists so that he can fail, and why's that a bad thing? Because what's the biggest criticism of Vegito and Bra in this comic according to the comment section? That they can't fail, physically or ethnically. That they're overpowered Stu characters with no depth to them and no justification for why they act the way they do, and seemingly no weak points. That's the point of their universe, they're so powerful that this goes from being Dragon Ball to One Punch Man or Captain Planet - they show up and instantly fix the problem.

But adding a 1-hour limit lessens that aspect, makes Vegito seem less like an unbeatable, implacable force of nature.

And, had they stated this limitation from the beginning I doubt we'd really have a problem with it. It creates fewer storytelling problems because, at the end of the day, the status quo is restored and Goku and Vegeta go back to being themselves.

If it's stupid because it was an off-the-wall-retcon, was the explanation that "Vegito lowered his energy shield and was affected by magical stomach gas" really a better explanation, or any better-timed?

I can roll with either explanation, in fact I preferred the stomach gas explanation, but I'm not opposed to trying to make the potara limit explanation work. And

But it really can't work in a fan fiction web comic where Vegito has lived for decades, started a family, and pretty much been his own man.

Oh. So all I had to say was, "this is just my idea for how it could work if you adapted Super's canon, don't steal?"

Well sh't, I'll edit the original then.

edited 17th Apr '18 7:41:28 AM by Soble

The one hour limit does nothing to address Bra. Also, I think the bigger issue with them is their hilariously awful personalities which the time limit doesn't fix.

So it just seems like a weird thing to bring up. If you were to use the time limit thing, you wouldn't really have a Vegetto universe, justifying it would be way too convoluted.

Also yeah the time limit was a way worse idea than Boo's insides because it gives them even less reason not to abuse potara and makes it too similar to fusion dance.

Does it not have cool down period?

Potara doesn't require the fusees to be on about equal levels of power, which the Metamoran dance fusion needs. Plus let's not forget the levels of precision involved in the dance itself, where a slight slip ruins it, and results in an inferior fusion.

We're doomed!

Uh Bulma...what makes you think they won't just go around killing everyone everywhere?

I mean, they won't, but they have the power to do just that.

I think the idea is that no matter how bad things get someone is bound to succeed in using the remote plans to end the android threat.

Plot hole! The android saga takes place in the early 90s*, when there was no internet! Bulma couldn't have sent the plans to anyone!

*Just look at what 17 is wearing!

edited 19th Apr '18 9:32:43 AM by shigmiya64

There most certainly was internet in the 90s. I can see scientists on Usenet.

Edit: And the Dragon Ball world isn't even really ours anyway. The events take place in Age 767 (in universe).

edited 19th Apr '18 9:46:02 AM by BaronPraxis

Nah man, I was there in the 90s, and I didn't go online even once before 1997.