Code Geass

I hear there's going to be a third season! Everyone's ending fanwanks are coming true!

Not the way they expected. It's Lelouch Of The Resurrection.

It'll turn out those absurd theories never happend.

Unless it's like Sherlock and this is just Lelouch leaving a series of well-thought out, pre-recorded messages to manipulate people in positions of power he might suspect of betraying Suzaku. But making it seem like he's still alive through the use of paid actors and/or holograms.

Exactly what is going to cause Lelouch to wake up from his death some disaster/god monster/ and or another Geass user.

Most likely another world war cause if the world functioned even a smidge logically then the Zero Requiem plan falls at some point due to human nature.

Contrary to what Lelouch in his despair believed him dyeing would not erase all the worlds problems. People are still greedy, racist or just plain power-hungry especially if a young girl is the ruler of one of the largest empires on the planet. Also the corruption of the Black Knights is a very possible thing as they have proven that they are not competent at all without someone handling the reigns.

Its like Ozymandias plan from Watchmen, the only difference being that Lelouch didn't have a Doctor Manhattan to tell him that his plan is not flawless & has a distinct possibility of failure.

Video of the PV

It seems there may well be a few terrorists at work, or at least a couple of the explosions look like they could be caused by such people.

At a glance, presumably another potential threat might be the robot with the wings.

edited 22nd Dec '16 11:27:40 PM by Madonis

I'm guessing the problem will be a new Geass user. Which is fair, since that kind of fell by the wayside. Lelouch wiped out the biggest Geass research place and killed one of the Code Bearers and stopped Charles use of the ruins but there was never any indication there weren't more besides C.C. or other Geass users in the world.

Nor was there really much he could or even should do about it, since by all rights Geass had existed well before Britannia and the pre Zero Requiem state of the world, and there was nothing he could do to stop that.

What's painful for me is the fact that no matter how good this turns out to be, it will never erase the last five episodes of R2. Those episodes completely ruined the series for me, a series that was epic up until that point and would easily be considered a personal Top 10 anime. It's hard to say exactly what was wrong with them because that basically would mean having to list everything.

It just sucks that everything established in those last five episodes will remain, barring the possibility of a Cosmic Retcon (which I wouldn't mind).

R3 fixes those episodes?

That'd be great, but until we get more information I'm going to presume that those last five episodes will always be there. It just sucks because they decided to do the whole "nothing is the same" twist but that just completely ruined everything from the plot to the characters. I just wished it could've ended with Lelouch leading the Black Knights to victory, rather than that. I guess it was too straightforward or something.

I know it sounds harsh, but this coming from someone who loved the series up to that point and I still do, it's just hard for me to deal with.

The problem is the Black Knights are a bunch of idiots. Can't be to hard considering the second point. Along with the fact that some other members had some legitimate concerns.

Lelouch has a habit of playing the "villain" when it is the last thing he needs to do. If he had pointed out the fact that they were even considering rebelling should be proof that they have their own free will things would possibly turned out differently.

So really to get a ending where Zero does not get stabbed in the back you would have to go back further then five episodes and a few events would have to go differently.

Plus I'm guessing the idea was they couldn't let the Black Knights get a clean victory and just trample over Britannia without "sacrifices" being made.

Yeah, that really nagged at me too. Seriously, you believe your greatest enemy over your own leader? Are you serious?!

There is no such thing as a person who does not deserve to be happy.

Everyone ever deserves to be happy, and Lelouch is a beautiful person because he understands that.

All of those people you're throwing so much vitriol at? They were just doing what they thought would help and protect the people they cared about, to the best of their knowledge. Every. Single. Character. in the whole thing.

Most of them are actually smarter about it than most characters in other series. But most other series don't show that a person making the best decisions with the information available to them can still result in unintended consequences. Like those (sort of cheesy) opening narration things say, "Sometimes evil can arise from the best of intentions, and good can arise from bad intentions." This series is also realistic about how fear distorts what people will believe and who they will listen to.

Schneizel is incredibly manipulative. That's the kind of character he is. He knows how to frame things, and when to tell people things, to get them to do what he wants.

But also... They have to deserve happiness? What kind of ridiculous, immature world view is that? "I didn't get a toy, so they shouldn't have toys either!" That's what that sounds like. I understand being upset if someone gets hurt when they don't deserve it, but being upset that someone is happy? That's called being two years old. Grow up.

People have different opinions so grow up. Should some of the most evil people in the world get happiness despite their horrible actions? You can make the argument happiness should be given to everyone, but some people in real life don't care and throw that away by making the wrong choices.

edited 24th Mar '17 12:43:12 PM by Mizerous

Not just throw it away. Some people just plain fucking don't care about the happiness of others.

Take that Vampire guy in R2 for example.

Their decision is partially understandable in the sense that zero had made some questionable decisions and there were concerns back in season 1. Especially with the general they were tasked with rescuing.

Season one even established his identity would be problematic. It was suggested that it would make the special zone appear to be some Britannia plot. It shouldn't be a surprise that if lelouch does not give his side of the story it just looks like a internal feud rather than a revolution.

Lelouch never built a strong inner circle of trust with his high ranking members. Honestly I am surprised Milly was not made aware considering turning the school into a command center would have been less problematic.

It's not just that Schneizel is manipulative, but that he's the friggin' 2nd in line for the throne and the prime minister of Britannia. Where are the red flags here? (Also, Nunnally gets no points for not questioning him despite not having seen him in ages.) The other Black Knights can be excused a bit, since despite some doubts, they weren't going to buy into Schneizel that easily. It took Ohgi's knuckleheaded persuasion to turn them around. Smh, guys. Smh.

Also, one of the people Ohgi trusted over Lelouch was the spy who kept surveillance over him while they were all captured. And yet she too gets a happy ending despite never truly redeeming herself. (Ange would have left her out to dry.) As for the deal itself, selling out Zero for Japan, it was made without the UFN's knowledge, and also Ohgi used Kallen to bait Zero into the line of fire, threatening her from defending him.

Also, all of those other people who took other people's happiness or were accessory to without having any hand in giving it back, Cornelia, Gino and even Guilford among them, also get some measure of that happiness.

I guess Cross Ange's ending would provide a good contrast as a more karmically balanced if less climactic one.

Also, not that I'm going personal, but your personal avatar is Julius Kingsley, even more proof that Lelouch was a bigger pawn than any of them could have imagined. Not that it makes him an innocent lamb, but c'mon, he's been (self-)consigned to death as a hated figure, and already so in many of their eyes. Their happiness is powered by a (sort of) forsaken child.

edited 24th Mar '17 4:23:21 PM by azul120

We are not saying Cornelia or Ougi should die, but like in real life CG's world is not fair. Why should everyone get equal joy when sadly is not what happens in real life.

I don't dislike the ending per say, but the road to getting there was certainly sloppy.

Me neither. It was just karmically twisted.

That, and utterly illogical. Lelouch atones for destruction, much of which could be justified by necessity to boot, by creating even more destruction, even though he no longer really needed to.

The Zero Requiem demonstrates Lelouch doesn't understand human nature. Uniting the world in hatred of him will last ten years, tops. Peace cannot exist without being desired by all sides.

"Back-up" plans likely involve Zero, his sister, and some combo of black knights with other allies stepping in.

If it weren't for the fact that the UFN has also been formed and is committed to peace, Lelouch dying along with what was probably almost the entire family would have resulted in the entire world declaring war on a decapitated Britannia to re-take the territory they lost and the world would have been even more violent.