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Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
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#2677: Mar 22nd 2014 at 12:53:04 AM

I have Britannia annexing the Phillipines from Japan back in the war that happened in 40s.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2678: Mar 22nd 2014 at 8:49:36 PM

[up] You know, reading up on Assimilation and how that relates to how Britannia treats their conquered territories got me thinking: If how Britannia treats the Areas is like how France treated their colonies, then what would Britannia have against Yamato Nadeshiko for Area 11/Japan?

edited 22nd Mar '14 10:39:10 PM by HallowHawk

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
Revy Gonna Give It To Ya
#2679: Mar 22nd 2014 at 9:26:37 PM

[up]I dunno, Britannia doesn't seem to have as codified gender roles as Japan does. There are about as many female soldiers as there are male ones.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2680: Mar 22nd 2014 at 11:06:10 PM

[up] But if they're okay with women in the military, surely they don't need to ilegalize women being Yamato Nadeshikios?

Also, how old's Kallen, I mean, if she's the same age as Lelouch, wouldn't she be born prior to Japan being conqured by Brittania?

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
Revy Gonna Give It To Ya
#2681: Mar 22nd 2014 at 11:09:36 PM

[up]When does it say they were illegal?

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2682: Mar 22nd 2014 at 11:54:43 PM

[up] But that's my point, if being an Honorary Britannian means people of conquered territories swearing allegianceto Britannia, then what why would it be bad if a female Japanese Honorary Britannian applying the concept of Yamato Nadeshiko be bad?

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
Revy Gonna Give It To Ya
#2683: Mar 23rd 2014 at 2:24:38 AM

[up]Only if there were commensurate Britannian values. Britannia seeks to break down Japanese cultural identity.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#2684: Mar 23rd 2014 at 2:25:15 AM

[up][up]I don't believe it ever got brought up. In fact, I don't even get why you're asking. Context, please?

edited 23rd Mar '14 2:25:24 AM by Iaculus

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2685: Mar 23rd 2014 at 7:42:22 AM

[up] Scherzo here thinks how Britannia treats their conquered territories like how France did it with their Assimilation idea, and if it were the case, what would they have against the concept of Yamato Nadeshiko.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#2686: Mar 23rd 2014 at 7:51:48 AM

[up]I don't recall France ever saying anything about the Yamato Nadeshiko ideal or similar phenomena in its foreign policy. Is there something I'm missing?

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2687: Mar 23rd 2014 at 10:02:07 AM

[up] I was noting out that if Britannia's treatment of their conquered territories is how the French applied Assimilation, then in-universe, what would Britannia have against the concept of Yamato Nadeshiko? I mean, if they allow women in the military, let the women act like Yamato Nadeshikos.

edited 23rd Mar '14 10:03:47 AM by HallowHawk

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#2688: Mar 23rd 2014 at 10:15:02 AM

[up]I get that, but you're failing to explain why the two are connected. What does French assimilation have to do with the Yamato Nadeshiko concept and why?

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Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#2689: Mar 23rd 2014 at 10:28:15 AM

Beyond "Is this fostering rebellion?" I don't think they'd really care about it.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2690: Mar 23rd 2014 at 10:34:44 AM

[up][up] My point is, if the Britannians are doing French-style Assimilation, they shouldn't get rid of the Yamato Nadeshiko concept, as what [up] says.

Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#2691: Mar 23rd 2014 at 10:36:04 AM

[up]Right, but why did that concept get brought up in the first place? What's its relevance?

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2692: Mar 23rd 2014 at 11:13:36 AM

[up] Because if how Britannia treats their conquered territories like the French did, then why should they get rid of the Yamato Nadeshiko concept, though as Parable says at [up][up][up], no need to.

edited 23rd Mar '14 11:43:47 AM by HallowHawk

Parable Since: Aug, 2009
#2693: Mar 23rd 2014 at 12:01:03 PM

You guys are really arrow happy. What Iaculus wants to know is why are you picking the Yamato Nadeshiko concept as a study in what would or would not be tolerated in a hypothetical Britannian assimilation policy?

It's like if just right now I asked "Why would the Britannians want to get rid of the lumberjacks after they conquered Canada?"

edited 23rd Mar '14 12:03:07 PM by Parable

Scherzo09 Revy Gonna Give It To Ya from Roanapur Since: Jul, 2010
Revy Gonna Give It To Ya
#2694: Mar 23rd 2014 at 5:28:33 PM

Yeah I had the same question as these guys; it just seems totally random especially since it's not like some Japanese tradition or ritual, its just an archetype of what a Japanese 'lady' should be like.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#2695: Apr 3rd 2014 at 7:22:08 AM

[up] But isn't training a woman to be a Yamato Nadeshiko a ritual?

Onto a different subject, how can you use a KMF's legs for attacking, as seen with the Lancelot?

Sykosis Dark Matter Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#2696: May 6th 2014 at 11:33:48 PM

Plot, that's how. The cockpit controls seem a tad too simplistic to allow for such fine control of the KMF that it mimics human combat motion.

Any additional info on the time line of the Emblem of of Blood incident? It apparently started or was in already in full swing during Charles and VV's childhood over 50+ years before the series and I presume it ended when Charles became Emperor. Apparently Marianne (and in some sources, along with Bismarck) helped with that.

Taking into account that there is 25 year age gap between Charles and Marianne, and a 20 year age difference between her and Lelouch, she was around 20 years old when she married Charles. Before that she was in the army and was a Knight of the Rounds for some time prior. Which means Charles became Emperor rather soon before Lelouch was born, meaning

1) Charles' reign was roughly 17-18, 19 at most, years 2) most of Lelouch elder siblings pre-date Charles' reign 3) the Emblem continued for about 32 years before its end

I may have gone off on a tangent. My headcanons are mixed with canon and fanon and got disjointed with time.

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#2697: May 7th 2014 at 4:13:03 PM

[up] That's likely more thought than the series creators put in honestly.

So now that my R2 DVD collection arrived, I was rewatching episode 3 and realized something: Suzaku asks the EU Knightmares to throw down their weapons to not be harmed...but their arms are their guns. So either Suzaku didn't actually mean what he said or he's an idiot.

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UltimatelySubjective Since: Jun, 2011
#2698: May 7th 2014 at 7:47:02 PM

That is hilarious.

I could point out that knightmare arms do come off but that only makes it slightly less stupid.

Drakyndra Her with the hat from Somewhere Since: Jan, 2001
Her with the hat
#2699: May 8th 2014 at 5:02:00 AM

I swear in the version I saw it was something closer to "Stand down and surrender." Varying ways to translate the same statement, I suppose.

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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#2700: May 8th 2014 at 5:12:10 AM

I guess immediately ejecting from their frames would count?

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