Doctor Who

The New Adventures went to places.

Also, his death was kinda the worst.

edited 11th May '16 3:06:32 PM by unnoun

Worse than Eight? I don't know about that.

Least dignified, probably. He basically got killed in a drive by shooting (not exactly, but for all intents and purposes ). The Sixth had the weakest death, but they was more a Real Life Writes the Plot situation.

If we're going least dignified then I'd argue Two mostly because it wasn't even a proper death. The Time Lords just decide to waste one of his lives for some reason.

edited 11th May '16 3:37:08 PM by Kostya

I've always seen that as a kind of "execution" to go along with his exile.

War probably has the most dignified death, given that he realises its time for an upgrade and just allows the regeneration to happen.

Eight's Death was one he had agency in too. To a point.

The only time his control over what the next one would be was explicit. I like to think each new regeneration is a response to where his head was when it was time to change.

That's a pretty common thing I've seen, and it does seem to hold true.

Interesting. How would you say that we got Twelve from Eleven, then?

11 was the youngest, trying to act cool and hip, just be a big kid, ignore the past, simply go around and have fun, act immature. Twelve is him getting over that, realizing how immature he is, being older, more grizzled, harder. Taking things more seriously. It was the Doctor realizing he needs to grow up a bit and stop acting like he can ignore his past. Remember what War Doctor called him "The Man who Forgets" Twelve is the Doctor getting away from that. Accepting his past rather then trying to forget about it.

I'd say it holds strong from eight onwards, but 5 -> 6 flies into the face of regeneration reflecting character development.

Well, regeneration can be a dodgy process, sometimes.. there are glitches.

edited 13th May '16 4:25:54 PM by Seraphem

I have a headcanon that the events of the timewar changed how regeneration worked, including how it looks.

Actually I recall readign something, think it was here but not 100%, that suggested that the Sixth Doctor was made to have the self-confidence the Fifth lacked in his mild-manneredness. It's been a while so I'd have to track it down to quote exactly.

EDIT: Found it. It was in WMG.Doctor Who Whole Series under the WMG "The personality of each of the Doctor's regenerations is influenced by the manner of the previous incarnation's death."

edited 13th May '16 5:09:01 PM by sgamer82

One -> Two: the old man who ran away becomes the adventurer who fights the forces of darkness.

Two-> Three: the Time Lords force him to be Establishment, but he's still a subversive within his privilege

Three-> Four: freed from his exile, he becomes an eccentric wanderer

Four->Five: The confident, detatched eccentric loses almost everything and loses his self-assurance but finds strength in his friends.

Five->Six: A bit of ego goes a long way.

Six-> Seven: Met his end in a profound loss of control, something that will never happen again

Seven ->Eight: Messed up by anesthesia complications, finds a fresh start and perhaps a midlife crisis.

Eight -> War: never more explicit

War -> Nine: The warrior's battle is over, and he's left to tend to his scars.

Nine -> Ten: ROSE

Ten -> Eleven: doesn't want to give up the happy-go-lucky, but is more capable of facing his general grief, or at least not hiding it

Eleven -> Twelve: Done hiding behind "good boyfriend" faces, but he's forgotten just who he is without them.

Oohhh, three -> being a rejection of the authority role the timelords forced onto him is a great reading.

You can draw a pretty straight line from Four to Eight, I feel. Four was too arrogant and in-your-face, so Five is polite and reserved. Five wasn't assertive enough, so Six happens. Six goes too far in the other direction and is far too obvious, Seven is quiet (most of the time) and manipulative. Seven was too much of a manipulative dick, Eight is friendly and an open book.

Then 8 was a man of small actions while War was a man of great universe changing events, War was a killer who became the 'coward' of 9, 9 was a publicly dark man with good hearts who became 10's publicly friendly man with dark hearts, 10 was a man drenched in guilt for his past that became 11's man who forgot his past and could neither look back or forward, 11s young pretty boy finally became 12s elder statesman.

Lovely.

This is the one with...

...smokey bacon...
...time wasted on a hug...
...at least two genocides...
...Andrew Freaking-(No, we already did that)...
...and your tired, your poor, your huddled Daleks yearning to be free.

It's Who Back When's review of "Evolution of the Daleks", Here we go!

Also if anybody's interesting in contributing any reviews for their next episode (Troughton's "The Ice Warriors") or later, they've tweeted their intention to record more regularly with a recording on Wednesday and a release the following Sunday.

edited 15th May '16 11:52:42 AM by sgamer82

Thanks for the heads-up. Listening now.

Allons-y!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvkdZ5glR3I

Honestly, as much as I have some rather... strong feelings towards Ten, there's a part of me that's actually considering listening to this for Donna alone, nevermind the (faint) hope that BF can improve on Ten's era like they did with Six. And then there's that other part of me that still has memories of what eventually happens to Donna and considers that said memories might just taint the entire experience. So there goes that I guess.

That said, I'm not completely against Ten getting his own audios. If anything, it gives BF a chance to do what the BBC didn't bother to do with Ten during his actual tenure, which is actually acknowledge the fact that Ten's a Jerkass and roll with it. Series 8 worked because the show knew that Clara and Twelve were both f'ed up in their own ways, and so if Ten's audios actually know that Ten has issues and properly acknowledge them, they might just be worth a listen, even knowing that Journey's End isn't that far down the road. (Maybe. Possibly. We'll see...)

edited 17th May '16 11:28:35 AM by kkhohoho

Hmm...

How would you guys like to see a multi-Doctor story with Ten and Twelve that features Donna (after "The End of Time", from her perspective, with Ten being somewhere between "Journey's End" and there), and has Ten, with Twelve's influence, deciding that what he did to Donna was wrong, and manages to safely restore her memories? Ten would forget because of the crossed timelines, but he'd still have ended up making up for one of his mistakes.