Doctor Who

Well.

That was a bit dull.

Review or whatever.

Lindalee hasn't done the last one either, so.

I agree with this, basically.

And with emeriin above. I liked Clara's scenes well enough, but.

My reaction overall: Eh.

The fridging and manpain can go fuck themselves.

This was not my favorite.

I also agree with Jane.

EDIT: I mean, I hope Capaldi plays guitar a bit more this season.

I like that the Doctor is now an aging rocker.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:13:12 PM by unnoun

Wait, so if I'm understanding the Doctor's plan he wanted to have the hologram ghost show him how to save people? If that's the case why didn't he have it show up before anyone died?

Isn't a Bootstap Paradox a Stable Time Loop or something like that?

Shame what happened to O'Donnel. Especially since she seemed to know a bit about the Doctor.

According to the Recap page, she mentions Amy, Martha, and Rose (but not Donna), as well as Harold Saxton. She also apparently mentions the events of Kill The Moon, which she definitely should not know about. How?

I gotta admit, I find myself constantly playing the who is gonna replace Clara game, and I couldn't help but feel O'Donnel was the lead candidate. Guess that guess is out.

But...they do alter history. They've flat out stated that time can be rewritten several times in the revived series. God this show makes my head hurt sometimes.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:16:24 PM by Kostya

I'm assuming there are somethings that are harder to alter than others. The Doctor didn't mention Fixed Points in time in regards to his death, but remember how when Rory walked in on his older self dying in that hotel, Eleven said he was screwed because now that he'd seen it, it had become a fact that could not be changed.

I'm assuming that now that he knew it was a part of his timeline, the Doctor believed he couldn't alter it....but then again, so was his death on that beach, and he found a work around there. I think the point was that he needed inspiration to do so.

The people behind the show must really want people to not like Clara. That "If you love me" line coupled with her telling the Doctor not to die on her were so abusive and I just don't understand why anyone thought they were at all appropriate.

I know.

Doctor Who doesn't quite have a unified theory of time travel.

It's more just. Stuff.

Unrelatedly, this is a look at "a man who never would" that gives me pause.

I feel like it gives me a sense of peace, and closure.

Cat Master.

...I'm not talking about the episode because I'm not sure I have anything to say.

..."Abusive"?

...You.

...Wow you sure do have opinions.

Or you're messing with me.

Please tell me you're messing with me.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:31:17 PM by unnoun

I knew my defence of that moment would bear fruit, though I never considered that interpretation.

I mean, I kept saying that for all the stuff he's done, the Doctor wouldn't kill a already beaten foe. That Cobb dude had no way to fight back or defend himself, and unlike a few others who were in that position, he knew it. All those other dudes had lost, and never realized it, but Cobb did. The doctor won't kick an enemy while he's down. He'll drop a rock on them when they are still a threat, and he's got nothing else to throw, but he's not killing a dude who's already lost.

But that post said it better than I could.

I mean, he would.

But it'd be a bad example.

A bad story.

Too much like Saward.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:30:55 PM by unnoun

Would he?

Has he killed an enemy who didn't have the power to fight back at that point. I mean, he's taken out a lot of dudes when they thought they were in the drivers seat and all, and could still theoretically take him out if he mis-stepped, but would he execute an enemy who absolutely, positively couldn't fight back, and knew it?

......I'm serious. If he has, consider the subject dropped.

The Doctor once almost brained an injured caveman with a rock because carrying the poor bastard around was inconvenient.

You could argue that his dispatching of Solomon in Dinosaurs on a Spaceship qualifies, but then that didn't happen until after Doctor's Daughter

I'd have minded the death a lot less if they hadn't then dumped the sudden parings on us. Killing of the interesting and cool character because it hurts the audience more to lose them, that I'm fine with, then using that death for some cheep romance crap, that I'm not fine with.

Also that 4th wall breaking.

Rob, everything you're saying right now is dull and uninteresting and everything I hated about Ten's speech originally. You are unredeeming the scene for me.

Stop that.

Please. I'm begging.

This analysis redeems that scene.

Actually read it, and think about it.

Whether or not the Doctor "would" shouldn't be the point.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:38:48 PM by unnoun

I don't think the family of blood could fight back but the Doctor still dispatched them in a pretty brutal way.

Wait, what person that couldn't fight back is the Doctor meant to have killed?

edited 10th Oct '15 7:39:30 PM by Silasw

I liked the 4th wall breaking!

I like it when that happens.

It's been too long.

Since.

I wanna say Blink?

Forget it.

edited 10th Oct '15 7:40:36 PM by unnoun

Sorry about that.

You know what? That dude's interpretation is better anyway. So I'll go with his for now on. Alright. Scene still redeemed.

Oh hey, not much talk so far.

The Doctor doing monologues to camera on themes important to understanding the episode comes back from Listen.

The Bootstrap Paradox is likely named for the story "By His Bootstraps" (not sure offhand if that's a novel or a short story) rather than inspiring the name of that story. I can't recall offhand what the plot is beyond the eponymous paradox, but the idea of the name is that if you're on the ground, pulling on your own bootstraps won't get you off the ground, without time travel.

The Fisher King seems very interested in what the Doctor knows about the ghosts. I'm pretty sure we were meant to believe the Bootstrap Paradox was being invoked because the Doctor gave him the inspiration to do the thing.

It was hard for me to tell through both episodes how much Cass and the interpreter's concern was for everyone because they're a team and junk and how much was because they specifically loved each other, and I was wondering if I missed a mention of their relationship being more than professional. The other two came out of nowhere when she was dying though.

There was a lot in that episode I didn't really like. O'Donnel's death and the shoehorned last minute love crap (seriously, earlier in the episode I was really happy that they had avoided thd obvious stuff with Cass and her interpreter but noooo) But man, there was also a lot I really really loved, The Fisher King's design looked like it was straight out of Power Rangers. The bootstrap paradox, Clara telling the Doctor he can't die with her, Cass in general.

edited 10th Oct '15 8:03:33 PM by Mukora

So did O'Donnell and Bennett remind anyone else of Amy and Rory respectively? Not anything about their characters, but O'Donnell's speaking voice reminded me very strongly of Amy and the way Arsher Ali played Bennett seemed very Arthur Darvill

I actually thought the Fisher King was more like a Scarran to be honest.

But bigger.

It looked like a vagina.

It's been a while since we've had one of those.

edited 10th Oct '15 8:04:25 PM by unnoun