The Order of the Stick

How else can you be the high priest of the god of magic?

Level 20 Sorcerer/Wizard/Cleric/Druid ftw.

That would be level 5 in all classes, so he would be able to cast level 3 spells. Such a wase of XP.

Or did you think of level 20 of each? Then you have a god (a hyper-god, as most gods are level 60, and yours is 80), who has a lot of spells, but nothing epic.

No, I specifically meant the former. It was a joke.

Is cleric/druid even allowed? You're kinda worshipping a god and nature.

edited 23rd Aug '17 1:47:50 AM by Elfive

Chameleon Prestige: problem solved. And/or Factotum.

edited 23rd Aug '17 2:03:38 AM by Euodiachloris

It's allowed, but it would be kind of pointless, like a Cleric/Paladin.

edited 23rd Aug '17 2:03:18 AM by pwiegle

You definitely cannot be a Paladin/Bard.

There's the Paladin of Freedom variant that's Chaotic Good. Instead of immunity to fear he's immune to mind affecting abilities with the Compulsion descriptor.

edited 23rd Aug '17 4:51:59 AM by SalFishFin

5e, at least, has the Nature Domain for clerics, which can go along with druid.

5e also has a different magic system that makes multiclassing casters a bit less wasted. Instead of basing spell damage off caster level, it's based off the level of spell slot used, and spell slots are based on your total caster level. So Toby's hypothetical sorcerer 7 cleric 8 would have just as many spell slots and of the same levels as a level 15 single-class caster, and while they could only have up to level 4 spells, they could cast them as 8th level.

Still less effective, since they wouldn't have access to the higher level spells with more bonkers base effects, but not as gimped as the 3.5 equivalent.

5e also doesn't have any alignment restrictions on classes, features Arcana as a cleric domain, and may be adding a Divine wizard tradition in an upcoming book.

That does sound more balanced. In 3.5e, there can be benefits to multiclassing for some character builds, but as a general rule, if you're building a spellcaster, multiclassing only hurts you.

A 17th-level Wizard will beat a 14th level Wizard with 3 levels in Druid any day of the week. If you ain't taking the same class every level, you're not going to hit those vaunted high level spells, and all your "based on caster level" effects are just going to be that much shittier.

edited 23rd Aug '17 7:56:45 AM by TobiasDrake

Hm, a thought occurred to me: How would Nale's multiclass setup work in 5e? I forget the specifics offhand but I know he's got himself set up with needless complexity (since that's his thing)

IIRC the idea was he replicated a bard while sidestepping the alignment requirements.

And omitting the bardic music ability, although I'd imagine he considers it to be largely irrelevant. He also gets a wider spell selection.

Wider spell selection as 1/3 sorcerer than a full bard? That seems pretty odd.

Off the top of my head, a Sorcerer/Fighter/Rogue in 5e could potentially be a decent MC. Rogue and Fighter are popular 1-3 level dips for their class abilities.

You'd have a pseudo-Valor Bard with more offensive spells, Metamagic, and Wild Magic Surges. That sounds... fun as hell, actually.

edited 23rd Aug '17 9:02:26 AM by johnnye

I'd adopt the Eldrich Knight and Arcane Trickster subclasses to maximize spellcasting.

That could cause problems stat wise since you'd need Dex, Int, and Cha to make them effective. Though depending on race you could easily make each of those a 14, minimum

edited 23rd Aug '17 9:40:34 AM by sgamer82

Nale is human, so he can start with 14/15/16 in Dex/Int/Cha, without even making Wisdom a dump stat.

edited 23rd Aug '17 9:47:42 AM by crazysamaritan

Sorcerers have access to the full Wizard spell list, while Bards have a much more limited selection.

How does it work when a multiclass has more than one spellcasting stat, if you just have the one block of spell slots? How do you determine whether you're casting a spell with INT or CHA (let's say it's on both classes' spell lists)?

Announce "I'm casting spell name from my class name spell list."

I noticed Vaarsuvius flies a lot. They're flying on this latest page. I remember them complaining that Flight only lasts a few minutes since 3.5, and as I recall Zz'dtri declined to share his house-ruled older version. Is V just burning a lot of spell slots on Flight spells 'cause they like to fly so much?

Overland flight has a duration in hours and is the typical go-to spell for higher level wizards. You could also cast an Extended version of fly if you're into metamagic.

edited 23rd Aug '17 11:33:51 AM by Fighteer

Fighteer beat me to it, but yes, Overland Flight is what V is using. Overland Flight makes you slower than Fly (40 feet v. 60 feet) and only has average maneuverability over Fly's good maneuverability, but the benefit is in the time duration. Because Overland Flight lasts 1 hour per caster level, it's basically an all-day enchantment. Cast it in the morning as you're setting out and you're good to levitate until your party makes camp.

It's a popular spell for high-level magic-users and Roy really should have known better.

edited 23rd Aug '17 11:38:32 AM by TobiasDrake