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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#22751: Oct 7th 2015 at 10:41:46 PM

No, I think he was right. I think Donny might be a little sad if Anthony died, but I think he already considers his friend dead in a way. This is more like a husk that walks, talks and screws everything up on accident.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#22752: Oct 7th 2015 at 11:07:57 PM

Most interesting because when he got the message from anthony he seemed to treat it... as a game of sorts? He was positively beaming at helping his friend commit mischief like when they were kids.

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#22753: Oct 7th 2015 at 11:48:29 PM

Mourning = being sad. So even if Donald does consider Anthony dead, which I doubt, Coyote is still wrong.

And I think the "Coyote never lies" thing is rather strained after that incident.

edited 7th Oct '15 11:49:59 PM by Eagal

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#22754: Oct 8th 2015 at 3:57:35 AM

Again there are ways to not tell the truth without outright lying.

Plus Tony still needs to atone and he knows it.

There is something unsettling about how Coyote finds the broken mind of someone amusing.

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#22755: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:12:42 AM

I don't think we've gotten any indication that Donny doesn't consider Anthony his friend anymore. He's keeping him at arm's length, sure, but he's still dedicated to helping him.

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#22756: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:39:33 AM

Even without taking Coyote's words at face value, there are signs that Donny and Tony's relationship took a turn for the worst lately.

He's been relatively cold towards Tony and even decided to allow his daughter to spy on their conversation in an attempt to undo the damage Tony did.

My impression is that he considers Tony as more of a responsability than a friend now. Maybe when he saw how Tony treated Anny upon his return, Donny felt that enough was enough.

But that's just my read on things.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#22757: Oct 8th 2015 at 6:43:29 AM

I definitely got the feeling that his checking in on Tony was far less out of concern for his friend, and more for Antimony's benefit.

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
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#22758: Oct 8th 2015 at 7:35:58 AM

Yeah, even before we got that whole life story Donny already seemed like he wasn't exactly thrilled that Tony was back.

He always spoke of him somewhat fondly before, at least as a distant memory, but we never really got a read on what that relationship is like today. The in-between has always been fuzzy.

edited 8th Oct '15 7:37:00 AM by edvedd

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#22759: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:09:57 AM

Well, if Tony died right now, I think Donny and Anja would just be relieved more than anything else. Tony's clearly suffering, and I think the best you can say about his recent doings is that he's somewhat mitigating the crap falling on Annie. I could easily see them going "At least he's a peace; hopefully, he's with Surma now" if Tony died. That's still showing care for Tony, but it wouldn't be mourning.

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#22760: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:37:07 AM

Again there are ways to not tell the truth without outright lying.

A lie by omission is still a lie.

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
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#22761: Oct 8th 2015 at 10:40:06 AM

@22760 And saying something because you don't have correct or sufficient information is both not lying and not telling the truth. It's telling the truth so far as you know it, but not truth in an absolute sense.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#22762: Oct 8th 2015 at 11:03:31 AM

Eagal: Functionally, yes. Technically, no. No one said Coyote was honest or trustworthy.

Lanceleoghauni Cyborg Helmsman from Z or R Twice Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In my bunk
#22763: Oct 8th 2015 at 11:18:21 AM

Definitely a lot of Exact Words and From a Certain Point of View going on, anyways. Compounded by coyotes Blue-and-Orange Morality

"Coffee! Coffeecoffeecoffee! Coffee! Not as strong as Meth-amphetamine, but it lets you keep your teeth!"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#22764: Oct 8th 2015 at 12:10:43 PM

A lie by omission is still a lie.
That's exactly the idea. Coyote can't tell a direct lie but he can still be dishonest by that manner.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#22765: Oct 8th 2015 at 12:11:54 PM

^ Well, I don't think it's that Coyote literally can't lie, just that he doesn't. Life is a game to him and one way to make games more fun is self imposed handicaps.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#22767: Oct 9th 2015 at 12:12:25 AM

Yeah that Ysengrin, so crazy. Expecting people not to cheat or wear bad makeup.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#22768: Oct 9th 2015 at 12:15:30 AM

Well, she isn't explaining herself very well. We all know those aren't the issues.

edited 9th Oct '15 12:15:54 AM by edvedd

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Fawriel Since: Jan, 2001
#22769: Oct 9th 2015 at 12:42:56 AM

This is kind of an amazing scene in a way that's hard to pinpoint.

Daremo Misanthrope Supreme from Parts Unknown Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
#22770: Oct 9th 2015 at 1:17:36 AM

Ah, lulz, how I've missed you.

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Adannor Since: May, 2010
#22771: Oct 9th 2015 at 1:28:05 AM

Bestwolfdad lays it down like it is.

Eagal This is a title. from This is a location. Since: Apr, 2012 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
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#22772: Oct 9th 2015 at 2:34:30 AM

I knew there was a reason I liked Ysengrin.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#22773: Oct 9th 2015 at 3:03:18 AM

It says a huge amount that the better adult male influences in Annie's life include Reynard and Ysengrim. Of course, Donny is in a league of his own: the Champion's League. smile

EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#22774: Oct 9th 2015 at 3:44:09 AM

I just like Ysigren's deadpan reaction, just "Is this not a issue that someone would be justifiably upset?"

Next we'll see her explaining what she learned about her dad and Ysigren will give her more life advice.

SiennaCiShan Since: May, 2013
#22775: Oct 9th 2015 at 4:56:26 AM

Reminder that Tony did nothing wrong

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