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** It's becoming increasingly clear that King Jahad and the Great 10 Family Heads, regardless of them being DrunkWithPower, ultimately also count. They ''had'' been betrayed by two of their own close companions, many people who they once lead to greatness and received worship from joined Arlene and V and grew to hate the Great Warriors, and it's also indicated that there's a serious reason as to why they could not complete the climb, so severe that they even had to erase their memories. It's hard to not feel sorry for them when you realize that they're not so much as callously indifferent to people just because they're the most powerful beings in the Tower as much as they've simply hardened their hearts after all they've suffered.
*** Jahad was once TheHero of his own story, a BoldExplorer who enjoyed adventures, and then fate coerced him into becoming King even though he would prefer remaining an adventurer. He lead a vast following of the people of the Tower along with his Irregular companions, and seemed to have started out with genuinely good intentions to create an utopia, but then he could not complete the climb and many of the people who once looked up to him and accepted him as King cursed him for his decision even though it was heavily implied there's a reason he can't tell. To further add salt into the wound, the one leading those people were none other but the love of his life, Arlene Grace, who loved someone else and was willing to start a civil war just for the sake of completing the climb. DidNotGetTheGIrl was already bitter enough considering how he did do a fair share of good at first, but then he killed Arlene's child and basically sealed his own fate as Bam would be revived and made into an Irregular capable of killing him in the future.
*** Lo Po Bia Traumerei is one hell of a Jerkass who arrogantly doesn't consider most matters as worth his time, even if he at least sends men to help Jahad's Army, doesn't care at all about free will, is willing to force anyone to obey him, and scorns the idea of love believing it'll only lead to betrayal, but as it turns out, his past is basically about as bad as Jahad's. He hated the people who abandoned the Great Warriors when they decided to stop climbing, but he still ''did'' care for and respect those who remained loyal to him, Jahad, and the others, even inviting a vast amount of people to celebrate his home being completed and putting up a show for them, he was capable of genuine friendship with Enkidu despite him not being part of the Great Climb, even if he did make a line between him and the friends he climbed with, he voluntarily participated directly for Jahad's sake, and he even genuinely loved Ameuz despite her not being another Irregular. But then Ameuz decided to end their relationship because she still wanted to complete the climb, causing Traumerei to finally become as obsessed with Ameuz as Jahad was with Arlene, and then Ameuz even went as far as to firmly state she would not go back and live with Traumerei despite Traumerei trying his best to reason with her. Either consciously or unconsciously, he ended up making Enkidu kill Ameuz, and thus he had to live with the fact that he couldn't, in his own twisted way, save the one he loved.
*** Poe Bidau Gustang's certainly insufferable and completely dismissive of the people of the Tower, but one cannot entirely blame him, considering all that he suffered. First, Arlene and V betrayed the side of Jahad, Gustang's side, with Arlene being someone Gustang saw as a close friend, and forced Gustang to even face people he once considered as, if not friends, allies who once looked up to him and the others as benevolent leaders, enemies, distancing the Great Warriors. As if Gustang lamenting this wasn't enough, his friend, Ameuz, was killed by Traumerei despite Traumerei and Ameuz genuinely loving each other, which slapped him further with the harsh reality of how little truth now meant to the Tower. Tormented by being forced to hide the truth when his true personality was someone who wanted to preach honesty towards the Tower while knowing how harsh the reality was, he pretty much broke again and again until he chose to ran away from the pain. Even erasing his memories, however, did nothing to alleviate the pain and anger within him, especially as he was forced to write more and more "false stories", and in the end, he even lost Enne due to those hidden truths and was forced to watch as Jahad used the situation to further drive in the fact that all that mattered was the utopia of the Empire, no matter what the cost or the lies.
*** Jahad was once TheHero of his own story, a BoldExplorer who enjoyed adventures, and then fate coerced him into becoming King even though he would prefer remaining an adventurer. He lead a vast following of the people of the Tower along with his Irregular companions, and seemed to have started out with genuinely good intentions to create an utopia, but then he could not complete the climb and many of the people who once looked up to him and accepted him as King cursed him for his decision even though it was heavily implied there's a reason he can't tell. To further add salt into the wound, the one leading those people were none other but the love of his life, Arlene Grace, who loved someone else and was willing to start a civil war just for the sake of completing the climb. DidNotGetTheGIrl was already bitter enough considering how he did do a fair share of good at first, but then he killed Arlene's child and basically sealed his own fate as Bam would be revived and made into an Irregular capable of killing him in the future.
*** Lo Po Bia Traumerei is one hell of a Jerkass who arrogantly doesn't consider most matters as worth his time, even if he at least sends men to help Jahad's Army, doesn't care at all about free will, is willing to force anyone to obey him, and scorns the idea of love believing it'll only lead to betrayal, but as it turns out, his past is basically about as bad as Jahad's. He hated the people who abandoned the Great Warriors when they decided to stop climbing, but he still ''did'' care for and respect those who remained loyal to him, Jahad, and the others, even inviting a vast amount of people to celebrate his home being completed and putting up a show for them, he was capable of genuine friendship with Enkidu despite him not being part of the Great Climb, even if he did make a line between him and the friends he climbed with, he voluntarily participated directly for Jahad's sake, and he even genuinely loved Ameuz despite her not being another Irregular. But then Ameuz decided to end their relationship because she still wanted to complete the climb, causing Traumerei to finally become as obsessed with Ameuz as Jahad was with Arlene, and then Ameuz even went as far as to firmly state she would not go back and live with Traumerei despite Traumerei trying his best to reason with her. Either consciously or unconsciously, he ended up making Enkidu kill Ameuz, and thus he had to live with the fact that he couldn't, in his own twisted way, save the one he loved.
*** Poe Bidau Gustang's certainly insufferable and completely dismissive of the people of the Tower, but one cannot entirely blame him, considering all that he suffered. First, Arlene and V betrayed the side of Jahad, Gustang's side, with Arlene being someone Gustang saw as a close friend, and forced Gustang to even face people he once considered as, if not friends, allies who once looked up to him and the others as benevolent leaders, enemies, distancing the Great Warriors. As if Gustang lamenting this wasn't enough, his friend, Ameuz, was killed by Traumerei despite Traumerei and Ameuz genuinely loving each other, which slapped him further with the harsh reality of how little truth now meant to the Tower. Tormented by being forced to hide the truth when his true personality was someone who wanted to preach honesty towards the Tower while knowing how harsh the reality was, he pretty much broke again and again until he chose to ran away from the pain. Even erasing his memories, however, did nothing to alleviate the pain and anger within him, especially as he was forced to write more and more "false stories", and in the end, he even lost Enne due to those hidden truths and was forced to watch as Jahad used the situation to further drive in the fact that all that mattered was the utopia of the Empire, no matter what the cost or the lies.
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*** Later chapters confirm it's the latter. Traumerei specifically has Yasratcha kill Wangwang and outright sneers at him as he "gives freedom" and tells him to enjoy it in a way that unsubtly taunts him.
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** In Season 3, Elaine/Kaiser's absence is quite noticeable when Bam stumbles upon Elaine's father, Elbaba of the Gray Wolf Family. Bam ends up fighting him for several reasons, such as not liking how Elbaba's been mistreating his daughter. Given her connections to Elbaba and the Gray Wolf Family, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to have Elaine finally get involved in the story again after being sidelined since Name Hunt Station. However, Elaine ended up having no involvement in Bam's encounter with her father whatsoever. What's even more damning is that Elaine is seen as part of Bam's Season 3 squad, yet she ''still'' ended up remaining OutOfFocus.
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** In Season 3, Elaine/Kaiser's absence is quite noticeable when Bam stumbles upon Elaine's father, Elbaba of the Gray Wolf Family. Bam ends up fighting him for several reasons, such as not liking how Elbaba's been mistreating his daughter. Given her connections to Elbaba and the Gray Wolf Family, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to have Elaine finally get involved in the story again after being sidelined since Name Hunt Station. However, Elaine ended up having no involvement in Bam's encounter with her father whatsoever. What's even more damning is that Elaine is seen as part of Bam's Season 3 squad, yet she ''still'' ended up remaining OutOfFocus.OutOfFocus regarding this plotline.
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** In Season 3, Elaine/Kaiser's absence is quite noticeable when Bam stumbles upon Elaine's father, Elbaba of the Gray Wolf Family. Bam ends up fighting him for several reasons, such as not liking how Elbaba's been mistreating his daughter. Given her connections to Elbaba and the Gray Wolf Family, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to have Elaine finally get involved in the story again after being sidelined since Name Hunt Station. However, Elaine ended up having no involvement in Bam's encounter with her father whatsoever.
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** In Season 3, Elaine/Kaiser's absence is quite noticeable when Bam stumbles upon Elaine's father, Elbaba of the Gray Wolf Family. Bam ends up fighting him for several reasons, such as not liking how Elbaba's been mistreating his daughter. Given her connections to Elbaba and the Gray Wolf Family, this seemed like a perfect opportunity to have Elaine finally get involved in the story again after being sidelined since Name Hunt Station. However, Elaine ended up having no involvement in Bam's encounter with her father whatsoever. What's even more damning is that Elaine is seen as part of Bam's Season 3 squad, yet she ''still'' ended up remaining OutOfFocus.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Shibisu makes a reference to ''VideoGame/PokemonGo'' during Season 2's Name Hunt Station arc, which can feel a bit dated since the arc came out around the time that the game peaked in real life.
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* ItWasHisSled: Rachel betrays Bam at the end of the 2nd Floor. You're gonna be hard-pressed to find somebody who doesn't mention this fact in conversations.
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** Bam becomes a Slayer Candidate for the FUG terrorist organization. This is a result of the marketing for the series always loving to show off Bam's long-haired Slayer Candidate design.
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** Bam becomes a Slayer Candidate for the FUG terrorist organization. This is a result of the marketing for the series always loving to show off Bam's long-haired Slayer Candidate design.
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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler:Rachel betrays Bam at the end of the 2nd Floor]]. You're gonna be hard-pressed to find somebody who doesn't mention this fact in conversations.
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* ItsTheSameNowItSucks: There's ''a lot'' of betrayal and hostage situations seen throughout the series, which can get really tiresome and repetitive after awhile.
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** If Rachel appears in a chapter (and sometimes when she doesn't), the top audience comments on Line Webtoon will probably be ranting against her. Since she's presumably disliked for being deceitful, manipulative, and cruel without being [[EvilIsCool cool]], competent or exceptionally cute, you might think she's a HateSink; however, she doesn't clearly fit that trope, and the author seems to dislike her less than many do. Others freely admit they know they've done horrible things, but Rachel adamantly refuses to admit that anything she has done is wrong in any way.
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* CompleteMonster: [[BloodKnight Lo Po Bia Ren]], aka Yuga, is a [[Characters/TowerOfGodRankers member of the Royal Enforcement Division]] who was sent to kill a [[Characters/TowerOfGodPrincessesOfJahad Princess of Jehad]] for giving birth to a child carrying her powers. Ren would [[HouseFire set her house on fire]] while she's still inside, burning her alive, and when her daughter, Anaak Jahad, vows vengeance for her mother's death, Ren infiltrates the Submerged Fish Hunt Test and gleefully taunts Anaak about being her mother's killer. Defeating Anaak, he has his Bull capture Endorsi Jahad and tries to force her to kill Anaak. When Anaak and Endorsi team up, Ren attempts to kill the two, crushing Anaak with his foot. When Anaak and Endorsi are saved by Yuri Jahad, who proceeds to defeat Ren, he sends his Bull to kill Baam and Rachel, due to the former's status as an [[Characters/TowerOfGodIrregulars Irregular]].
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*** Additional information changes this picture: If Garam Jahad's revelations on the Floor of Death are at all accurate, Jahad is confirmed to have done things like tricked his subjects to kill each other to maintain his own power and literally murdered a baby. As of now, it's unclear as to whether or not his more ruthless and cruel actions are done out of him being a WellIntentionedExtremist who's stopping the climb of the Tower from being completed for reasons only he knows but involves the entire Tower and retaining the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans mindset the God of Guardians described him to have in his youth, only to a far more twisted degree, or if he's become a believer of DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans and just wants everyone to suffer. [[spoiler:Traumerei at least seems to firmly believe that he and the other Great Warriors, including Jahad, do whatever it is they do in order to maintain the balance in the Tower, as he specifically stated that they have agreed to remain hands-off mostly from the people of the Tower in order to focus solely on preserving the Jahad Empire, but considering that he's lost some of his memories, we can't exactly count on him to be trustworthy and he is also known to be completely loyal to Jahad. On the other hand, at least part of Gustang's betrayal is implied due to him believing Jahad doing ''Dystopia Justifies The Means'', with how he bitterly speaks about the way Jahad is enforcing the rules that are forcefully keeping the Great Warriors, and with it, the rest of the Tower, stagnant, and recent chapters shows even before Gustang really had it in him to rebel, he already had a pretty low opinion of how Jahad does things. With the fact that the only two people thus far who have appeared and would know Jahad personally being personally biased, exactly where Jahad falls is still vague at best, with equal amounts of evidences pointing to both.
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*** Additional information changes this picture: If Garam Jahad's revelations on the Floor of Death are at all accurate, Jahad is confirmed to have done things like tricked his subjects to kill each other to maintain his own power and literally murdered a baby. As of now, it's unclear as to whether or not his more ruthless and cruel actions are done out of him being a WellIntentionedExtremist who's stopping the climb of the Tower from being completed for reasons only he knows but involves the entire Tower and retaining the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans mindset the God of Guardians described him to have in his youth, only to a far more twisted degree, or if he's become a believer of DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans and just wants everyone to suffer. [[spoiler:Traumerei at least seems to firmly believe that he and the other Great Warriors, including Jahad, do whatever it is they do in order to maintain the balance in the Tower, as he specifically stated that they have agreed to remain hands-off mostly from the people of the Tower in order to focus solely on preserving the Jahad Empire, but considering that he's lost some of his memories, we can't exactly count on him to be trustworthy and he is also known to be completely loyal to Jahad. On the other hand, at least part of Gustang's betrayal is implied due to him believing Jahad doing ''Dystopia Justifies The Means'', with how he bitterly speaks about the way Jahad is enforcing the rules that are forcefully keeping the Great Warriors, and with it, the rest of the Tower, stagnant, and recent chapters shows even before Gustang really had it in him to rebel, he already had a pretty low opinion of how Jahad does things. With the fact that the only two people thus far who have appeared and would know Jahad personally being personally biased, exactly where Jahad falls is still vague at best, with equal amounts of evidences pointing to both.both]].
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*** Additional information changes this picture: If Garam Jahad's revelations on the Floor of Death are at all accurate, Jahad is confirmed to have done things like tricked his subjects to kill each other to maintain his own power and literally murdered a baby. That said, we still don't know the reasons why he stopped on the 135th Floor, so while he may be evil, the possibility that he is a WellIntentionedExtremist remains open.
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*** Additional information changes this picture: If Garam Jahad's revelations on the Floor of Death are at all accurate, Jahad is confirmed to have done things like tricked his subjects to kill each other to maintain his own power and literally murdered a baby. That said, we still don't know the reasons why he stopped on the 135th Floor, so while he may be evil, the possibility that he is As of now, it's unclear as to whether or not his more ruthless and cruel actions are done out of him being a WellIntentionedExtremist remains open.who's stopping the climb of the Tower from being completed for reasons only he knows but involves the entire Tower and retaining the UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans mindset the God of Guardians described him to have in his youth, only to a far more twisted degree, or if he's become a believer of DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans and just wants everyone to suffer. [[spoiler:Traumerei at least seems to firmly believe that he and the other Great Warriors, including Jahad, do whatever it is they do in order to maintain the balance in the Tower, as he specifically stated that they have agreed to remain hands-off mostly from the people of the Tower in order to focus solely on preserving the Jahad Empire, but considering that he's lost some of his memories, we can't exactly count on him to be trustworthy and he is also known to be completely loyal to Jahad. On the other hand, at least part of Gustang's betrayal is implied due to him believing Jahad doing ''Dystopia Justifies The Means'', with how he bitterly speaks about the way Jahad is enforcing the rules that are forcefully keeping the Great Warriors, and with it, the rest of the Tower, stagnant, and recent chapters shows even before Gustang really had it in him to rebel, he already had a pretty low opinion of how Jahad does things. With the fact that the only two people thus far who have appeared and would know Jahad personally being personally biased, exactly where Jahad falls is still vague at best, with equal amounts of evidences pointing to both.
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** The Great Family leader, Arie Hon. Was he being a {{Jerkass}} to Hoaqin by suggesting that his son will never be able to make something of himself without being a criminal and telling Hoaquin to become a demon, or was it a [[SecretTestOfCharacter test]], and challenge for Hoaquin, to live under the family, and grow strong enough by developing his own power to one day exceed his father? Hon's GlowingEyes of doom might have meant the former, but the scene happening in the flashback from another character's point of view might skew the scene toward the character interpretation being that of the latter. WordOfGod does state that Hon saw Hoaqin's future.
*** As of the Last Station, [[spoiler: another flashback from White/Hoaqin reveals it's actually neither and Hon was just being blunt and cold and telling his son what his future would be like, although the surprise is that Hoaqin actually [[{{UsedToBeASweetKid}} interpreted it as the latter]]. Well almost, Hoaqin interpreted it as leaving the family to the Outer Tower to establish a kingdom of his own, and train his abilities as a [[{{TheGoodKing}} ruler who looks after his subjects]], like how Arie Hon is the greatest[[note]]In terms of ranking, his virtuous strength is... questionable[[/note]] Family Head out of the Ten Great Families. Arie Hon immediately reveals that what he meant wasn't that and he literally saw the threads of a demon within him, and tells Hoaqin to indulge it and become a soul-eating monster fueled by resentment towards Hon himself, ''even though he's destined to fail''. Yikes. Whether or not he was telling him what he would become to give him a chance to get the idea of surpassing him out of his mind, knowing that it's impossible, or he was actually intent on corrupting Hoaqin or not, only time will tell. Another interpretation from recent chapters may be that Hon, as stated by a family member of his, doesn't care about his children's lives, apart from helping them grow stronger by aiding in their training, so he simply told Hoaqin what he believed would be his future and didn't bother to care how Hoaqin would take it, as he probably saw telling him what he could become as already being warning enough.]]
*** As of the Last Station, [[spoiler: another flashback from White/Hoaqin reveals it's actually neither and Hon was just being blunt and cold and telling his son what his future would be like, although the surprise is that Hoaqin actually [[{{UsedToBeASweetKid}} interpreted it as the latter]]. Well almost, Hoaqin interpreted it as leaving the family to the Outer Tower to establish a kingdom of his own, and train his abilities as a [[{{TheGoodKing}} ruler who looks after his subjects]], like how Arie Hon is the greatest[[note]]In terms of ranking, his virtuous strength is... questionable[[/note]] Family Head out of the Ten Great Families. Arie Hon immediately reveals that what he meant wasn't that and he literally saw the threads of a demon within him, and tells Hoaqin to indulge it and become a soul-eating monster fueled by resentment towards Hon himself, ''even though he's destined to fail''. Yikes. Whether or not he was telling him what he would become to give him a chance to get the idea of surpassing him out of his mind, knowing that it's impossible, or he was actually intent on corrupting Hoaqin or not, only time will tell. Another interpretation from recent chapters may be that Hon, as stated by a family member of his, doesn't care about his children's lives, apart from helping them grow stronger by aiding in their training, so he simply told Hoaqin what he believed would be his future and didn't bother to care how Hoaqin would take it, as he probably saw telling him what he could become as already being warning enough.]]
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** The Great Family leader, Arie Hon. Was he being a {{Jerkass}} to Hoaqin by suggesting that his son will never be able to make something of himself without being a criminal and telling Hoaquin to become a demon, or was it a [[SecretTestOfCharacter test]], and challenge for Hoaquin, to live under the family, and grow strong enough by developing his own power to one day exceed his father? Hon's GlowingEyes of doom might have meant the former, but the scene happening in the flashback from another character's point of view might skew the scene toward the character interpretation being that of the latter. WordOfGod does state that Hon saw Hoaqin's future.
future, so whether or not he was being CruelToBeKind, telling Hoaqin about what he would become if he held on to the dreams of surpassing him in a way that he thought would disillusion him from wanting that anymore, or if he was actually pushing Hoaqin into that path further, is still uncertain.
*** As of the Last Station, [[spoiler: another flashback from White/Hoaqin reveals it's actually neither and Hon was just being blunt and cold and telling his son what his future would be like, although the surprise is that Hoaqin actually [[{{UsedToBeASweetKid}} interpreted it as the latter]]. Well almost, Hoaqin interpreted it as leaving the family to the Outer Tower to establish a kingdom of his own, and train his abilities as a [[{{TheGoodKing}} ruler who looks after his subjects]], like how Arie Hon is the greatest[[note]]In terms of ranking, his virtuous strength is... questionable[[/note]] Family Head out of the Ten Great Families. Arie Hon immediately reveals that what he meant wasn't that and he literally saw the threads of a demon within him, and tells Hoaqin to indulge it and become a soul-eating monster fueled by resentment towards Hon himself, ''even though he's destined to fail''. Yikes. Whether or not he was telling him what he would become to give him a chance to get the idea of surpassing him out of his mind, knowing that it's impossible, or he was actually intent on corrupting Hoaqin or not, only time will tell. Another interpretation from recent chapters may be that Hon, as stated by a family member of his, doesn't care about his children's lives, apart from helping them grow stronger by aiding in their training, so he simply told Hoaqin what he believed would be his future and didn't bother to care how Hoaqin would take it, as he probably saw telling him what he could become as already being warning enough.]]
*** As of the Last Station, [[spoiler: another flashback from White/Hoaqin reveals it's actually neither and Hon was just being blunt and cold and telling his son what his future would be like, although the surprise is that Hoaqin actually [[{{UsedToBeASweetKid}} interpreted it as the latter]]. Well almost, Hoaqin interpreted it as leaving the family to the Outer Tower to establish a kingdom of his own, and train his abilities as a [[{{TheGoodKing}} ruler who looks after his subjects]], like how Arie Hon is the greatest[[note]]In terms of ranking, his virtuous strength is... questionable[[/note]] Family Head out of the Ten Great Families. Arie Hon immediately reveals that what he meant wasn't that and he literally saw the threads of a demon within him, and tells Hoaqin to indulge it and become a soul-eating monster fueled by resentment towards Hon himself, ''even though he's destined to fail''. Yikes.
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** The five Arie siblings that combined to form the FUG Slayer, "White," could have made for some interesting character dynamics. Especially Vicente and David teaming up with Wangnan. Unfortunately, Hoaqin manages to take over as the dominate persona of "White" during the Dallar Show, which causes the other siblings to go dormant for several hundred chapters. Even once the Hoaqin version of "White" is defeated, it's only Vicente who reappears, which results in the other siblings still being complete no-shows.
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** The five Arie siblings that combined to form the FUG Slayer, "White," could have made for some interesting character dynamics. Especially dynamics, especially Vicente and David teaming up with Wangnan. Unfortunately, Hoaqin manages to take over as the dominate dominant persona of "White" during the Dallar Show, which causes the other siblings to go dormant for several hundred chapters. Even once the Hoaqin version of "White" is defeated, it's only Vicente who reappears, which results in the other siblings still being complete no-shows.
