History YMMV / TowerOfGod

17th Jun '16 12:03:49 PM NonoRobot
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** [[spoiler:Not really, from what we've seen she was the only person he knew before entering the tower and she abandoned him anyway. Flashbacks show her telling Baam that he can't go outside the cave he's in and so she ensures she's the only person he ever knows. Also her reason for hating him has nothing to do with his following her.]]
** From a different point of view, [[spoiler: When Rachel entered the tower, Headon all but said flat out that she was trying to steal Baam's place in the tower, implying that the ONLY reason she was even 'friends' with him in the first place was for that reason. Every time she told him to stop chasing him, she was saying, "I'm in the Tower, I got what I wanted and I don't need you any more, get lost!"]]
*** There's no real saying what Headon was actually alluding to. The words are that vague, they could mean anything from "you were selfish in how you cared for him for your own reasons and never really loved him for himself" or "you deliberately scammed him from the start" or "you're a self-delusional fantasist and know in your heart of hearts you've never been what you've advertised yourself as to anybody, least of all him, but also yourself". There's no saying which he was after. Until we know how or why Rachel knew to look for Baam in the first place or what her situation actually was, we don't have a clue what specific thing Headon was getting at.



* CreatorsPet: WordOfGod stated Rachel was his favourite. The fandom does not share this viewpoint at all.
** It may overlap with TrollingCreator, since he said that she's really quite charming once you get to know her in the comments for a page where she does something particularly objectionable.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam.

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* CreatorsPet: WordOfGod stated Rachel was his favourite. The fandom does not share this viewpoint at all.
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all. It may overlap with TrollingCreator, since he said that she's really quite charming once you get to know her in the comments for a page where she does something particularly objectionable.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam. EnsembleDarkhorse:



* FridgeBrilliance: Ja Wangnan's shinsoo bombs were completely ineffective against Jyu Viole Grace, and yet when he used a far weaker regular bomb, it did a fair bit of damage to him. Viole/[[spoiler:Baam]] is completely immune to shinsoo so of course the shinsoo bomb wouldn't do anything.

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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
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Ja Wangnan's shinsoo bombs were completely ineffective against Jyu Viole Grace, and yet when he used a far weaker regular bomb, it did a fair bit of damage to him. Viole/[[spoiler:Baam]] is completely immune to shinsoo so of course the shinsoo bomb wouldn't do anything.



* MagnificentBastard: Koon, you suave, sharp-witted, manipulative, scheming son of a tyrant.
** He [[spoiler: managed to hide several allies in his bag and let them out later as to reduce the number of participants in the test without killing and to help his team win the Crown Game, managed to get Rak, who was out to kill him, on his team, tricked Quant into protecting Rachel and improved Baam's chances by making his team lose without endangering his or Anak's chances, made it so that Baam and Rachel could take the Guardian's Exam and manipulated the rest into helping them]].
*** On the other hand, ''he himself'' sometimes seems to see himself as a SmugSnake, admitting that there's something fundamentally missing from many of his plans -- he has a tendency to lose sight of what he ultimately wants (or to fail to consider what he ''should'' ultimately want) while obsessively focusing on the immediate problem in front of him. Rak calls him out on this when pointing out that his plan to make his cousin (who he loved) into a princess was ultimately self-defeating.
** Headon might count too. We don't know, since he is one big, creepy rabbit.
** Yu Hang-Sun.
* HolyShitQuotient: Without a doubt, when SIU ships out WhamEpisode after WhamEpisode in increasing wham-ness, this will apply. Case in point, [[spoiler: the ''Devil of Right Arm'' arc from start to finish]].

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* MagnificentBastard: Koon, you suave, sharp-witted, manipulative, scheming son of a tyrant.
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tyrant. He [[spoiler: managed [[spoiler:managed to hide several allies in his bag and let them out later as to reduce the number of participants in the test without killing and to help his team win the Crown Game, managed to get Rak, who was out to kill him, on his team, tricked Quant into protecting Rachel and improved Baam's chances by making his team lose without endangering his or Anak's chances, made it so that Baam and Rachel could take the Guardian's Exam and manipulated the rest into helping them]].
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them]]. On the other hand, ''he himself'' sometimes seems to see himself as a SmugSnake, admitting that there's something fundamentally missing from many of his plans -- he has a tendency to lose sight of what he ultimately wants (or to fail to consider what he ''should'' ultimately want) while obsessively focusing on the immediate problem in front of him. Rak calls him out on this when pointing out that his plan to make his cousin (who he loved) into a princess was ultimately self-defeating.
** %%** Headon might count too. We don't know, since he is one big, creepy rabbit.
** %%** Yu Hang-Sun.
* HolyShitQuotient: HolyShitQuotient:
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Without a doubt, when SIU ships out WhamEpisode after WhamEpisode in increasing wham-ness, this will apply. Case in point, [[spoiler: the ''Devil of Right Arm'' arc from start to finish]].



* MemeticBadass: Parakewl. Everyone else is just ''trash.''

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* MemeticBadass: MemeticBadass:
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Parakewl. Everyone else is just ''trash.''



* ViewerGenderConfusion: Has pretty much become a meme among the fandom. The list of named characters that cause hassle is currently this: Yu Han Sung, Ho, Nya Nia, Ran and now we have Quaetro. Baam skirts this trope himself from time to time, and his great friends Agero, Hatsu and even Wangnan would do so, too, if drawn in the wrong clothes. Possibly even Leroro. Rachel could cause a few problems herself, should she ever start wearing trousers. Compare and contrast with [[TestosteronePoisoning Rak and Urek]], friends.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: ViewerGenderConfusion:
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Has pretty much become a meme among the fandom. The list of named characters that cause hassle is currently this: Yu Han Sung, Ho, Nya Nia, Ran and now we have Quaetro. Baam skirts this trope himself from time to time, and his great friends Agero, Hatsu and even Wangnan would do so, too, if drawn in the wrong clothes. Possibly even Leroro. Rachel could cause a few problems herself, should she ever start wearing trousers. Compare and contrast with [[TestosteronePoisoning Rak and Urek]], friends.
25th Feb '16 7:44:26 PM Bugfragged
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* JerkassWoobie: Rachel (may also be AlternativeCharacterInterpretation): she's been manipulated from the beginning of the story into betraying Baam, and possibly groomed her entire life for this role. Imagine being given a dream when you were just a child, and told it was your only chance for happiness. Now imagine (while still just a child) having that dream cruelly ripped away from you and given to someone else. And being told you're just too ugly, bad, and not special enough to ever realize that dream. [[spoiler: Also consider that she probably never intended to kill Baam, she was just told she must keep Baam from climbing the tower. And she seems to feel genuinely bad when she is informed of his supposed death]]

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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
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Rachel (may also be AlternativeCharacterInterpretation): she's been manipulated from the beginning of the story into betraying Baam, and possibly groomed her entire life for this role. Imagine being given a dream when you were just a child, and told it was your only chance for happiness. Now imagine (while still just a child) having that dream cruelly ripped away from you and given to someone else. And being told you're just too ugly, bad, and not special enough to ever realize that dream. [[spoiler: Also consider that she probably never intended to kill Baam, she was just told she must keep Baam from climbing the tower. And she seems to feel genuinely bad when she is informed of his supposed death]] death]]
** Some of the FUG members certainly count despite their ruthlessness. Reflejo had his family wiped out and his eyelids sewn together just because he looked at a Zahard princess and Raguel had a horrible childhood because a 10 families member seduced an abandoned her mother.
27th Jan '16 1:36:52 PM MagBas
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* CanonSue: Pre-timeskip Baam is sometimes accused of this for various reasons, mostly being a fairly quiet and passive character who nontheless manages to make some very powerful and devoted friends effortlessly and gains a lot more power than would be normal at this stage. This seems to be deliberate, given that he's called out for it by both Rachel and Ho, and it mostly disappears after the timeskip, where he becomes a lot more proactive.



* VillainSue: Rachel can come off as one when you consider that she has, since the very beginning, remained relevant to the story despite having no strength to defend herself, which has somehow allowed her to always have people willing to follow her in order to continue ascending the tower. She has also [[KarmaHoudini never suffered any consequences]] despite the amount of detestable actions she's done over the course of the story so far.
26th Jan '16 3:24:15 AM Aquillion
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** Also Aka Williams, although [[{{Gonk}} not in the usual way]].
18th Jan '16 6:36:09 PM ZeusXenios
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** The similarities between Hoaquin/White and Cell did not escape some of the fans, spawning the nickname "Semi-Perfect White".
8th Nov '15 1:29:08 AM NonoRobot
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* MemeticMutation: Phantamiseng. Miseng is in fact Phantaminum; her unique weapon is her cuteness.

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* MemeticMutation: MemeticMutation:
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Phantamiseng. Miseng is in fact Phantaminum; her unique weapon is her cuteness.



* TheScrappy: Parakewl, the DirtyCoward and [[spoiler: Rachel, whom the fandom sees a traitorous bitch that stabs Baam in the back, even though he came all the way for her]].

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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Parakewl, the DirtyCoward and [[spoiler: Rachel, whom the fandom sees a traitorous bitch that stabs Baam in the back, even though he came all the way for her]].DirtyCoward.
28th Sep '15 8:46:24 PM mlsmithca
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced:
** After the fiasco that was [[spoiler:[[WhamEpisode Bam's reunion with Rachel]]]], Bam is ''finally'' [[WhatTheHellHero called out on]] [[{{Yandere}} his extremely selfish]] [[LeeroyJenkins and impulsive behavior]] when it comes to Rachel, which is endangering his real friends which he's been ignoring in favor of his obsession with Rachel, and Bam ''actually'' has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone reaction from this, resolving to change his ways. That [[TheLancer Khun]] privately agrees but is too considerate of Bam to point it out, and that ''[[SarcasticDevotee Hwa-Ryun]]'' was the one who did the calling out was just icing on the cake--fans were practically cheering her on as she finally expressed what a large part of the fanbase had been thinking of Bam's personality for a long time.
** A simple two or three frames, and one single character practically stole the spotlight of [[WhamEpisode Chapter 169]], and right at the very end to boot. It can be summed up in one sentence: '''[[spoiler: YURI ZAHARD IS BACK, AND SHE'S ON THE TRAIN!]]''' Needless to say, the fans have been waiting for this since the ''very'' beginning of Part 3. This chapter in general is considered one of the best in a long time, in fact, so the fandom as a whole was very pleased by it.
28th Sep '15 3:44:09 PM AKITN
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced:
** After the fiasco that was [[spoiler:[[WhamEpisode Bam's reunion with Rachel]]]], Bam is ''finally'' [[WhatTheHellHero called out on]] [[{{Yandere}} his extremely selfish]] [[LeeroyJenkins and impulsive behavior]] when it comes to Rachel, which is endangering his real friends which he's been ignoring in favor of his obsession with Rachel, and Bam ''actually'' has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone reaction from this, resolving to change his ways. That [[TheLancer Khun]] privately agrees but is too considerate of Bam to point it out, and that ''[[SarcasticDevotee Hwa-Ryun]]'' was the one who did the calling out was just icing on the cake--fans were practically cheering her on as she finally expressed what a large part of the fanbase had been thinking of Bam's personality for a long time.
** A simple two or three frames, and one single character practically stole the spotlight of [[WhamEpisode Chapter 169]], and right at the very end to boot. It can be summed up in one sentence: '''[[spoiler: YURI ZAHARD IS BACK, AND SHE'S ON THE TRAIN!]]''' Needless to say, the fans have been waiting for this since the ''very'' beginning of Part 3. This chapter in general is considered one of the best in a long time, in fact, so the fandom as a whole was very pleased by it.
16th Aug '15 5:07:45 AM Retloclive
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* VillainSue: Rachel can come off as one when you consider that she has, since the very beginning, remained relevant to the story despite having no strength to defend herself, which has somehow allowed her to always have people willing to follow her in order to continue ascending the tower. She has also [[KarmaHoudini never suffered any consequences]] despite the amount of detestable actions she's done over the course of the story so far.
3rd Jun '15 1:47:46 PM felinecritic
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* JerkassWoobie: Rachel (may also be AlternativeCharacterInterpretation): she's been manipulated from the beginning of the story into betraying Baam, and possibly groomed her entire life for this role. Imagine being given a dream when you were just a child, and told it was your only chance for happiness. Now imagine (while still just a child) having that dream cruelly ripped away from you and given to someone else. And being told you're just too ugly, bad, and not special enough to ever realize that dream. [[spoiler: also consider that she probably never intended to kill Baam, she was just told she must keep Baam from climbing the tower. And she seems to feel genuinely bad when she is informed of his death]]

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* JerkassWoobie: Rachel (may also be AlternativeCharacterInterpretation): she's been manipulated from the beginning of the story into betraying Baam, and possibly groomed her entire life for this role. Imagine being given a dream when you were just a child, and told it was your only chance for happiness. Now imagine (while still just a child) having that dream cruelly ripped away from you and given to someone else. And being told you're just too ugly, bad, and not special enough to ever realize that dream. [[spoiler: also Also consider that she probably never intended to kill Baam, she was just told she must keep Baam from climbing the tower. And she seems to feel genuinely bad when she is informed of his supposed death]]
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