History YMMV / TowerOfGod

27th Aug '16 8:30:48 PM Retloclive
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Baam looks a ''lot'' different when you [[spoiler:consider the entire story from Rachel's perspective. She rejected him, left him behind, and asked him not to follow her; he swore to follow her for the rest of her life, and entered the tower that can grant any wish asking it to give him ''her'' -- after she rejected him. The words "creepy stalker" feature prominently in most interpretations along these lines.]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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Baam looks a ''lot'' different when you [[spoiler:consider the entire story from Rachel's perspective. She rejected him, left him behind, and asked him not to follow her; he swore to follow her for the rest of her life, and entered the tower that can grant any wish asking it to give him ''her'' -- after she rejected him. The words "creepy stalker" feature prominently in most interpretations along these lines.]]



27th Aug '16 10:06:37 AM jokevv
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** Zahard and his empire bring up more of this than anyone else combined. Is the empire a autocratic [[TheEmpire empire]] state ruled by a [[GodEmperor god]] [[AGodAmI emperor]] or is it just a tough but fair state which give opportunity to all residents of the tower and the disparity we hear about is just the outcome of creating a elite and well group who had a better life than those before and the regular who clime the tower know how good things could be now compared to before Zahard and the ten warrior arrived? Not too mention the fact that many of the abuses of power in the tower are caused by regulars of the ten great families, which rankers have no right to intervene and weather or not zahard himself can move against the families? We know absolutle nothing about him or his way and the group who seems most wronged by the empire is [[ObviouslyEvil F]][[TheDreaded U]][[TheUnfettered G]] who methods are far worse than anything we have seen commited on screen by a member of Zahard's empire and which was founded by one of Zahard's allies when he became emperor before his so called oppression could begin.
17th Aug '16 8:27:31 AM Retloclive
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** Recently, Edin Dan, Mr. Badass 2013. Well deserved after his MomentOfAwesome.

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** Recently, Edin Dan, Mr. Badass 2013. Well deserved after his MomentOfAwesome.MomentOfAwesome when he told Rachel off during the ''Devil of the Right Arm'' StoryArc.



** Phantamiseng. Miseng is in fact Phantaminum; her unique weapon is her cuteness.
** Pretty much anything to do with certain male characters [[ViewerGenderConfusion looking like women.]]
** [[http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/9118-things-you-probably-didnt-notice/ Yihwa's magical disappearing tights.]] [[CovertPervert Viole works fast.]]

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** Tower of ''Betrayal''. Given the amount of betrayals that go down in this series.
** [=RaKoon Baam=]. A common nickname for Baam, Koon, and Rak being TrueCompanions.
** Phantamiseng. A joke about Miseng is in fact being Phantaminum; her unique weapon is her cuteness.
** Pretty much anything to do with certain male characters [[ViewerGenderConfusion looking like women.]]
women]].
** [[http://www.batoto.net/forums/topic/9118-things-you-probably-didnt-notice/ Yihwa's magical disappearing tights.]] tights]]. [[CovertPervert Viole works fast.]]fast]].



** With the latest chapter's ''maybe'' introduction to time travel, some were rather quick to appoint that the answer to every mystery and unanswered question in ToG is the older version of Baam after having gone back in time.

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** With When there were chapters that hinted at the latest chapter's ''maybe'' introduction to possibility of time travel, some were rather quick to appoint that the answer to every mystery and unanswered question in ToG is the older version of Baam after having gone back in time.
7th Aug '16 9:48:30 PM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Rachel, to put it mildly, [[spoiler:though the break is more between those who find her an interesting character and those who just want her to die. It doesn't help that a lot of things about Rachel are still a mystery such as what her motivations exactly are and what she is truly trying to accomplish.]]

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Rachel, to put it mildly, [[spoiler:though the break is more between those who find her an interesting character and those who just want her to die. It doesn't help that a lot of things about Rachel are still a mystery such as what her motivations exactly are and what she is truly trying to accomplish.]]
3rd Aug '16 5:52:55 AM Retloclive
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* BrokenBase: The ending of the Workshop battle ended up as this. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or they are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists, or turns, that Tower of God is famously known for. [[TakeAThirdOption Or]], you're in the third camp that actually ''liked'' the reunion, but was disappointed that an arc that lasted for over 50 chapters didn't amount to anything noteworthy.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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The ending of the Workshop battle ended up as this. Fans are either happy because it's a perfect reunion for Baam and his friends from the test level, or they are disappointed for being a simple happy-go-lucky ending that didn't amount to any major twists, or turns, that Tower of God is famously known for. [[TakeAThirdOption Or]], you're in the third camp that actually ''liked'' the reunion, but was disappointed that an arc that lasted for over 50 chapters didn't amount to anything noteworthy.noteworthy.
** For the Name Hunt Station arc, fans are split as to whether or not Baam's group and Leesoo's group fighting over who gets Kaiser's name is justified. Baam's group needs the name, because it's part of the deal he made with Yuri in order to go to the forbidden 43rd Floor, but Leesoo needs the name because Androssi's life is on the line having lost her name to Kaiser. What really gets people confused is why the two sides can't just team up to defeat Kaiser.
21st Jul '16 7:11:18 PM AKITN
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** Kaiser had this going for a while too, what with the name almost always being used for men, but the long hair, obscuring cloak and rather feminine mask in place also helped obfuscate the gender. Come the time [[spoiler:Kaiser decides to confront Baam early]] though, it's made immediately apparent that [[SamusIsAGirl Kaiser is, in fact, female,]] and the only reason there was any doubt in the first place was how SIU drew her until then and lack of gender-specific dialogue.[[note]] '''In the chapter her gender is confirmed, Kaiser directly refers to herself as a woman, and SIU properly shows her body and feminine clothing beneath the cloak. Before that, it was all obtuse angles, close ups to her mask and/or shadow shots.'''[[/note]]
5th Jul '16 12:19:34 PM Retloclive
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** The Workshop saga had gone on for over 50+ chapters that people were left wondering if the cast is even trying to climb the Tower anymore.

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** The Workshop saga Battle had gone on for over 50+ chapters that people were left wondering if the cast is was even trying to climb the Tower anymore.
5th Jul '16 12:18:58 PM Retloclive
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** Parakewl, the DirtyCoward.
** As of the workshop battle, Parakewl has come to [[CrossingTheLineTwice cross the line twice]] as the Scrappy, as the utter ridiculousness and unexpected success of his DirtyCoward antics has made him into a bit of a MemeticBadass.

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** Parakewl, the DirtyCoward.
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DirtyCoward. As of the workshop battle, Workshop Battle, Parakewl has come to [[CrossingTheLineTwice cross the line twice]] as the Scrappy, as the utter ridiculousness and unexpected success of his DirtyCoward antics has made him into a bit of a MemeticBadass.



** Even more ironically, EnsembleDarkhorse Hatsu became this during the Workshop Battle arc as his subarc is being derided as detracting from the other arcs. Of course, knowing [=SIU=], these will tie up together soon.

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** Even more ironically, EnsembleDarkhorse Hatsu became this during the Workshop Battle arc as his subarc is being derided as detracting from the other arcs. Of course, knowing [=SIU=], these will tie up together soon.However, it calmed down once the Workshop Battle came to an end.
17th Jun '16 12:03:49 PM NonoRobot
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** [[spoiler:Not really, from what we've seen she was the only person he knew before entering the tower and she abandoned him anyway. Flashbacks show her telling Baam that he can't go outside the cave he's in and so she ensures she's the only person he ever knows. Also her reason for hating him has nothing to do with his following her.]]
** From a different point of view, [[spoiler: When Rachel entered the tower, Headon all but said flat out that she was trying to steal Baam's place in the tower, implying that the ONLY reason she was even 'friends' with him in the first place was for that reason. Every time she told him to stop chasing him, she was saying, "I'm in the Tower, I got what I wanted and I don't need you any more, get lost!"]]
*** There's no real saying what Headon was actually alluding to. The words are that vague, they could mean anything from "you were selfish in how you cared for him for your own reasons and never really loved him for himself" or "you deliberately scammed him from the start" or "you're a self-delusional fantasist and know in your heart of hearts you've never been what you've advertised yourself as to anybody, least of all him, but also yourself". There's no saying which he was after. Until we know how or why Rachel knew to look for Baam in the first place or what her situation actually was, we don't have a clue what specific thing Headon was getting at.



* CreatorsPet: WordOfGod stated Rachel was his favourite. The fandom does not share this viewpoint at all.
** It may overlap with TrollingCreator, since he said that she's really quite charming once you get to know her in the comments for a page where she does something particularly objectionable.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam.

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* CreatorsPet: WordOfGod stated Rachel was his favourite. The fandom does not share this viewpoint at all.
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all. It may overlap with TrollingCreator, since he said that she's really quite charming once you get to know her in the comments for a page where she does something particularly objectionable.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Several. Though it should be noted that somehow none are more popular then Baam. EnsembleDarkhorse:



* FridgeBrilliance: Ja Wangnan's shinsoo bombs were completely ineffective against Jyu Viole Grace, and yet when he used a far weaker regular bomb, it did a fair bit of damage to him. Viole/[[spoiler:Baam]] is completely immune to shinsoo so of course the shinsoo bomb wouldn't do anything.

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* FridgeBrilliance: FridgeBrilliance:
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Ja Wangnan's shinsoo bombs were completely ineffective against Jyu Viole Grace, and yet when he used a far weaker regular bomb, it did a fair bit of damage to him. Viole/[[spoiler:Baam]] is completely immune to shinsoo so of course the shinsoo bomb wouldn't do anything.



* MagnificentBastard: Koon, you suave, sharp-witted, manipulative, scheming son of a tyrant.
** He [[spoiler: managed to hide several allies in his bag and let them out later as to reduce the number of participants in the test without killing and to help his team win the Crown Game, managed to get Rak, who was out to kill him, on his team, tricked Quant into protecting Rachel and improved Baam's chances by making his team lose without endangering his or Anak's chances, made it so that Baam and Rachel could take the Guardian's Exam and manipulated the rest into helping them]].
*** On the other hand, ''he himself'' sometimes seems to see himself as a SmugSnake, admitting that there's something fundamentally missing from many of his plans -- he has a tendency to lose sight of what he ultimately wants (or to fail to consider what he ''should'' ultimately want) while obsessively focusing on the immediate problem in front of him. Rak calls him out on this when pointing out that his plan to make his cousin (who he loved) into a princess was ultimately self-defeating.
** Headon might count too. We don't know, since he is one big, creepy rabbit.
** Yu Hang-Sun.
* HolyShitQuotient: Without a doubt, when SIU ships out WhamEpisode after WhamEpisode in increasing wham-ness, this will apply. Case in point, [[spoiler: the ''Devil of Right Arm'' arc from start to finish]].

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* MagnificentBastard: Koon, you suave, sharp-witted, manipulative, scheming son of a tyrant.
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tyrant. He [[spoiler: managed [[spoiler:managed to hide several allies in his bag and let them out later as to reduce the number of participants in the test without killing and to help his team win the Crown Game, managed to get Rak, who was out to kill him, on his team, tricked Quant into protecting Rachel and improved Baam's chances by making his team lose without endangering his or Anak's chances, made it so that Baam and Rachel could take the Guardian's Exam and manipulated the rest into helping them]].
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them]]. On the other hand, ''he himself'' sometimes seems to see himself as a SmugSnake, admitting that there's something fundamentally missing from many of his plans -- he has a tendency to lose sight of what he ultimately wants (or to fail to consider what he ''should'' ultimately want) while obsessively focusing on the immediate problem in front of him. Rak calls him out on this when pointing out that his plan to make his cousin (who he loved) into a princess was ultimately self-defeating.
** %%** Headon might count too. We don't know, since he is one big, creepy rabbit.
** %%** Yu Hang-Sun.
* HolyShitQuotient: HolyShitQuotient:
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Without a doubt, when SIU ships out WhamEpisode after WhamEpisode in increasing wham-ness, this will apply. Case in point, [[spoiler: the ''Devil of Right Arm'' arc from start to finish]].



* MemeticBadass: Parakewl. Everyone else is just ''trash.''

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* MemeticBadass: MemeticBadass:
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Parakewl. Everyone else is just ''trash.''



* ViewerGenderConfusion: Has pretty much become a meme among the fandom. The list of named characters that cause hassle is currently this: Yu Han Sung, Ho, Nya Nia, Ran and now we have Quaetro. Baam skirts this trope himself from time to time, and his great friends Agero, Hatsu and even Wangnan would do so, too, if drawn in the wrong clothes. Possibly even Leroro. Rachel could cause a few problems herself, should she ever start wearing trousers. Compare and contrast with [[TestosteronePoisoning Rak and Urek]], friends.

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: ViewerGenderConfusion:
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Has pretty much become a meme among the fandom. The list of named characters that cause hassle is currently this: Yu Han Sung, Ho, Nya Nia, Ran and now we have Quaetro. Baam skirts this trope himself from time to time, and his great friends Agero, Hatsu and even Wangnan would do so, too, if drawn in the wrong clothes. Possibly even Leroro. Rachel could cause a few problems herself, should she ever start wearing trousers. Compare and contrast with [[TestosteronePoisoning Rak and Urek]], friends.
25th Feb '16 7:44:26 PM Bugfragged
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* JerkassWoobie: Rachel (may also be AlternativeCharacterInterpretation): she's been manipulated from the beginning of the story into betraying Baam, and possibly groomed her entire life for this role. Imagine being given a dream when you were just a child, and told it was your only chance for happiness. Now imagine (while still just a child) having that dream cruelly ripped away from you and given to someone else. And being told you're just too ugly, bad, and not special enough to ever realize that dream. [[spoiler: Also consider that she probably never intended to kill Baam, she was just told she must keep Baam from climbing the tower. And she seems to feel genuinely bad when she is informed of his supposed death]]

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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
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Rachel (may also be AlternativeCharacterInterpretation): she's been manipulated from the beginning of the story into betraying Baam, and possibly groomed her entire life for this role. Imagine being given a dream when you were just a child, and told it was your only chance for happiness. Now imagine (while still just a child) having that dream cruelly ripped away from you and given to someone else. And being told you're just too ugly, bad, and not special enough to ever realize that dream. [[spoiler: Also consider that she probably never intended to kill Baam, she was just told she must keep Baam from climbing the tower. And she seems to feel genuinely bad when she is informed of his supposed death]] death]]
** Some of the FUG members certainly count despite their ruthlessness. Reflejo had his family wiped out and his eyelids sewn together just because he looked at a Zahard princess and Raguel had a horrible childhood because a 10 families member seduced an abandoned her mother.
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