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** [[PayEvilUntoEvil Manchester Black]] is driven to a life of crime after his alien fiancée is murdered by the [[FantasticRacism anti-alien]] Children of Liberty. Manipulating [[Characters/ArrowverseKaraZorEl Supergirl]] to get closer to the group, Manchester interrogates a handful of the Children until discovering that the group's leader is Agent Liberty, aka Ben Lockwood. Paying Lockwood a visit, Manchester reveals Lockwood's secret to his wife, before trying to kill the both of them. Breaking out of jail, Manchester forms the team known as the Elite to combat the Children of Liberty's bigotry. Following the Elite's downfall, Manchester causes a city wide blackout and uses the Staff of K'lar to [[SuicideByCop successfully drive J'onn J'onzz into killing him]], using his final words to admire how "beautiful" he is. Throughout his appearance, Manchester proves himself to be [[BadassNormal combatively capable even without powers]], and [[AffablyEvil genuinely charming]], all the while being one of the most dangerously competent foes the Superfriends ever faced.

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** [[PayEvilUntoEvil Manchester Black]] is driven to a life of crime after his alien fiancée is murdered by the [[FantasticRacism anti-alien]] Children of Liberty. Manipulating [[Characters/ArrowverseKaraZorEl Supergirl]] to get closer to the group, Manchester interrogates a handful of the Children until discovering that the group's leader is Agent Liberty, aka Ben Lockwood. Paying Lockwood a visit, Manchester reveals Lockwood's secret to his wife, before trying to kill the both of them. Breaking out of jail, Manchester forms the team known as the Elite to combat the Children of Liberty's bigotry. Following the Elite's downfall, Manchester causes a city wide citywide blackout and uses the Staff of K'lar to [[SuicideByCop successfully drive J'onn J'onzz into killing him]], using his final words to admire how "beautiful" he is. Throughout his appearance, Manchester proves himself to be [[BadassNormal combatively capable even without powers]], and [[AffablyEvil genuinely charming]], all the while being one of the most dangerously competent foes the Superfriends ever faced.
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* ActorShipping:
** Real life husband and wife Creator/MelissaBenoist and Creator/{{Chris Wood|Actor}} are known as Melwood.
** Creator/ChylerLeigh and Floriana Lima who played the popular Sanvers pairing, had enough chemistry that they are shipped together offscreen and known as Flyer.
** The fan preferred Supercorp ship between Kara and Lena is very popular and some fans ship actresses Creator/MelissaBenoist and Creator/KatieMcGrath together and call them Meltie.
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All of these are just plain bad examples, but especially "this plotline is a spirograph" is just a complaint and not Narm. Narm is about a specific moment, not "I don't like this direction in the show"


** "You've spent more time in the friendzone than the Phantom Zone."



** The opening monologue at the start of each episode can be seen as cheesy and cliché.



** Characters throw out pop culture references like there's no tomorrow, but they feel more like the writers are trying to look cool and hip than being genuinely funny. Having Indigo talk about how she "wanders the same realm as [[VideoGame/CandyCrushSaga Candy Crush]]" feels really forced and cheesy, considering she's a serious villain.
*** The last one is downplayed in Season 2.



** James and Lena's on-again off-again romance in Season 4, which honestly feels like there's one writer who really wants them together and another who really doesn't, and they're just taking turns getting the couple together and breaking them up when their turn to write an episode comes around until there's no reason to care.
** The fact that Dreamer [[https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Supergirl-Dreamer-Costume.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738 has a superhero costume]] (apparently handed down via generations) despite her power being ''prophetic dreams''. Cue fans wondering if Dreamer is just going to walk around in it not doing anything or if it's meant to be the universe's most needlessly fancy set of pajamas. This is averted in the actual show itself; Nia is shown to be able to fight to some degree even before she suits up and later episodes show her powers have a bit more to them than going to sleep and seeing what will happen, and she is shown to commit to expanding her fighting prowess and abilities once after she officially becomes Dreamer.
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* IKnewIt:
** At least a few fans made the guess that "Hank Henshaw" is the Martian Manhunter based off of his red eyes, and that he didn't seem to be a cyborg. For that matter, him using his shapeshifting powers to dissuade Cat from thinking Kara is Supergirl.
** Creator/LauraVandervoort guest starring here had been predicted by quite a few fans way before the pilot even aired.
** Fans were doubtful Cat Grant was deceived by J'onn's impersonation of Supergirl to make her think that Kara and Supergirl were different people. In the Season 2 finale, it was revealed that Cat wasn't fooled and simply decided to stop pushing her on the matter.
** In the 100th episode, many expected Mon-El to appear. He does.
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* EvilIsSexy:
** [[HellBentForLeather Livewire]] is seen by many fans as the most attractive villain of the show, though [[BigBad Astra]] has her fair share of fans, and [[RobotGirl Indigo]], [[AloofDarkHairedGirl Silver Banshee]], and [[AllAmazonsWantHercules Maxima]] certainly deserve attention.
** Maxwell Lord is called sexy by Cat.
** Kara corrupted by the Red Kryptonite has as many fans, if not more, though she technically isn't a villain. Overgirl, the Nazi version of Supergirl is also very popular with fetishists.
** Roulette really knows [[LadyInRed how to rock a red dress]] and show some leg.
** Fans also found the White Martians disguised as Winn and Alex in "The Martian Chronicles" extremely attractive.
** Lillian Luthor is beautiful but immoral.
** Queen Rhea is stunning in both her Daxamite queen attire and in the business casual suit she uses to manipulate Lena.
** Being Samantha's SuperpoweredEvilSide, Reign can put on the list. Her creator Selena counts too.
** Gamemnae deserves a mention for being a blond stunner who wears low-cut and figure-hugging outfits.

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** Inverted in general with Snapper, though. Twice Snapper accosts others of 'bias' in their reporting (James' stance on the Guardian, and Kara's issues with anti-alien technology), arguing that they should be unbiased in their reporting. However, when we see Snapper's reporting, he shows a great deal of bias himself (giving out headlines for the other reporters that focus on negative reactions to aliens and a general anti-alien standpoint), but isn't called on this and shows no sense of irony, making him instead look like a hypocrite trying to silence opinions he disagrees with under the claim of 'non-bias reporting' while pushing his own agenda as the 'non-bias' one. He'd come off as an attempt by the writers to be a strawman for right-wing media figures who criticize liberal media for bias without acknowledging their own, except the show treats him as being a JerkassHasAPoint in these situations.


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** Twice Snapper Carr accosts others of 'bias' in their reporting (James' stance on the Guardian, and Kara's issues with anti-alien technology), arguing that they should be unbiased in their reporting. However, when we see Snapper's reporting, he shows a great deal of bias himself (giving out headlines for the other reporters that focus on negative reactions to aliens and a general anti-alien standpoint), but isn't called on this and shows no sense of irony, making him instead look like a hypocrite trying to silence opinions he disagrees with under the claim of 'non-bias reporting' while pushing his own agenda as the 'non-bias' one. He'd come off as an attempt by the writers to be a strawman for right-wing media figures who criticize liberal media for bias without acknowledging their own, except the show treats him as being a JerkassHasAPoint in these situations.

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* QuestionableCasting:
** Some are saying the guy cast as Winslow Schott would make for a better Jimmy Olsen than the guy actually playing Jimmy Olsen. The pilot does give some justification to the divergence: due to the long gap between Superman and Supergirl's debuts (over a decade), ''James'' Olsen is now OlderAndWiser.
** Creator/MelissaBenoist got some of this before the show began, mainly because a lot of people wanted an actress like Creator/ClaireHolt to play Supergirl. This one has largely subsided after the show aired, with many people liking Benoist's performance, even those who don't like the show itself.
** The casting of Italia Ricci, who is Italian-Canadian and quite clearly Italian in appearance, to play pale, blue eyed, fair haired, Irish Siobhan Smythe. Even though the show changed Siobhan from being Irish (as she is the comics) to just an American of Irish descent, her olive skintone still raised some eyebrows.
** The casting of Creator/TylerHoechlin as Superman. Similar to Creator/{{Teddy Sears}}' casting as "Jay Garrick" in ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' Season 2, many feel that he is way too young to portray an older and experienced Superman being only a year older than Creator/MelissaBenoist, despite the fact that it was established since the PilotEpisode that Clark is already in his mid-twenties when a still thirteen year old Kara landed on Earth. That and he was chosen over fan-favorites such as a RoleReprise from [[Series/{{Smallville}} Tom Welling]], Creator/MattBomer, Creator/JoeManganiello and the likes, all of whom are closer in age to what Clark is supposed to be in the show. The age issue is {{Handwave}}d in his debut episode, where it's said that adult Kryptonians age slower on Earth due to the yellow sun ([[ShownTheirWork which was already established in the comics]]), and Hoechlin managed to win the crowd when they saw him in action.
** Maggie Sawyer is explicitly stated as being of Mexican descent (second generation) being played by a non-Latina Italian actress. This got worse with a guest appearance from genuinely Hispanic Carlos Bernard as her father.
** The casting of Creator/JonCryer as ComicBook/LexLuthor has [[https://io9.gizmodo.com/cws-supergirl-casts-lex-luthor-and-now-no-ones-age-make-1830500535 raised some eyebrows]] due to the fact that he's 53, meaning he's 18 years older than [[Creator/KatieMcgrath the actress]] playing his sister [[note]]it would normally be ''plausible'' to have siblings 18 years apart, except we already saw the two siblings as children [[Recap/Supergirl2015S2E12Luthors in a flashback]], and they were around the same age[[/note]] and only [[AbsurdlyYouthfulMother five years younger]] than [[Creator/BrendaStrong the actress]] playing his mother. [[SubvertedTrope However, Cryer's performance was acclaimed and the actor was quickly embraced as a great Lex Luthor.]]
** Staz Nair as William Dey. Many fans think he has zero chemistry with Melissa Benoist.
** Inverted with the casting of David Hoflin as Rick Malverne in season 2's "Alex". He's a fine actor, as is Gregg Henry, who plays Malverne's father in the episode. Even better, they actually look like they could be father and son, which HollywoodGenetics doesn't usually guarantee.



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** Some are saying the guy cast as Winslow Schott would make for a better Jimmy Olsen than the guy actually playing Jimmy Olsen. The pilot does give some justification to the divergence: due to the long gap between Superman and Supergirl's debuts (over a decade), ''James'' Olsen is now OlderAndWiser.
** Creator/MelissaBenoist got some of this before the show began, mainly because a lot of people wanted an actress like Creator/ClaireHolt to play Supergirl. This one has largely subsided after the show aired, with many people liking Benoist's performance, even those who don't like the show itself.
** The casting of Italia Ricci, who is Italian-Canadian and quite clearly Italian in appearance, to play pale, blue eyed, fair haired, Irish Siobhan Smythe. Even though the show changed Siobhan from being Irish (as she is the comics) to just an American of Irish descent, her olive skintone still raised some eyebrows.
** The casting of Creator/TylerHoechlin as Superman. Similar to Creator/{{Teddy Sears}}' casting as "Jay Garrick" in ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' Season 2, many feel that he is way too young to portray an older and experienced Superman being only a year older than Creator/MelissaBenoist, despite the fact that it was established since the PilotEpisode that Clark is already in his mid-twenties when a still thirteen year old Kara landed on Earth. That and he was chosen over fan-favorites such as a RoleReprise from [[Series/{{Smallville}} Tom Welling]], Creator/MattBomer, Creator/JoeManganiello and the likes, all of whom are closer in age to what Clark is supposed to be in the show. The age issue is {{Handwave}}d in his debut episode, where it's said that adult Kryptonians age slower on Earth due to the yellow sun ([[ShownTheirWork which was already established in the comics]]), and Hoechlin managed to win the crowd when they saw him in action.
** Maggie Sawyer is explicitly stated as being of Mexican descent (second generation) being played by a non-Latina Italian actress. This got worse with a guest appearance from genuinely Hispanic Carlos Bernard as her father.
** The casting of Creator/JonCryer as ComicBook/LexLuthor has [[https://io9.gizmodo.com/cws-supergirl-casts-lex-luthor-and-now-no-ones-age-make-1830500535 raised some eyebrows]] due to the fact that he's 53, meaning he's 18 years older than [[Creator/KatieMcgrath the actress]] playing his sister [[note]]it would normally be ''plausible'' to have siblings 18 years apart, except we already saw the two siblings as children [[Recap/Supergirl2015S2E12Luthors in a flashback]], and they were around the same age[[/note]] and only [[AbsurdlyYouthfulMother five years younger]] than [[Creator/BrendaStrong the actress]] playing his mother. [[SubvertedTrope However, Cryer's performance was acclaimed and the actor was quickly embraced as a great Lex Luthor.]]
** Staz Nair as William Dey. Many fans think he has zero chemistry with Melissa Benoist.
** Inverted with the casting of David Hoflin as Rick Malverne in season 2's "Alex". He's a fine actor, as is Gregg Henry, who plays Malverne's father in the episode. Even better, they actually look like they could be father and son, which HollywoodGenetics doesn't usually guarantee.

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* WTHCastingAgency:
** Some are saying the guy cast as Winslow Schott would make for a better Jimmy Olsen than the guy actually playing Jimmy Olsen. The pilot does give some justification to the divergence: due to the long gap between Superman and Supergirl's debuts (over a decade), ''James'' Olsen is now OlderAndWiser.
** Creator/MelissaBenoist got some of this before the show began, mainly because a lot of people wanted an actress like Creator/ClaireHolt to play Supergirl. This one has largely subsided after the show aired, with many people liking Benoist's performance, even those who don't like the show itself.
** The casting of Italia Ricci, who is Italian-Canadian and quite clearly Italian in appearance, to play pale, blue eyed, fair haired, Irish Siobhan Smythe. Even though the show changed Siobhan from being Irish (as she is the comics) to just an American of Irish descent, her olive skintone still raised some eyebrows.
** The casting of Creator/TylerHoechlin as Superman. Similar to Creator/{{Teddy Sears}}' casting as "Jay Garrick" in ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' Season 2, many feel that he is way too young to portray an older and experienced Superman being only a year older than Creator/MelissaBenoist, despite the fact that it was established since the PilotEpisode that Clark is already in his mid-twenties when a still thirteen year old Kara landed on Earth. That and he was chosen over fan-favorites such as a RoleReprise from [[Series/{{Smallville}} Tom Welling]], Creator/MattBomer, Creator/JoeManganiello and the likes, all of whom are closer in age to what Clark is supposed to be in the show. The age issue is {{Handwave}}d in his debut episode, where it's said that adult Kryptonians age slower on Earth due to the yellow sun ([[ShownTheirWork which was already established in the comics]]), and Hoechlin managed to win the crowd when they saw him in action.
** Maggie Sawyer is explicitly stated as being of Mexican descent (second generation) being played by a non-Latina Italian actress. This got worse with a guest appearance from genuinely Hispanic Carlos Bernard as her father.
** The casting of Creator/JonCryer as ComicBook/LexLuthor has [[https://io9.gizmodo.com/cws-supergirl-casts-lex-luthor-and-now-no-ones-age-make-1830500535 raised some eyebrows]] due to the fact that he's 53, meaning he's 18 years older than [[Creator/KatieMcgrath the actress]] playing his sister [[note]]it would normally be ''plausible'' to have siblings 18 years apart, except we already saw the two siblings as children [[Recap/Supergirl2015S2E12Luthors in a flashback]], and they were around the same age[[/note]] and only [[AbsurdlyYouthfulMother five years younger]] than [[Creator/BrendaStrong the actress]] playing his mother. [[SubvertedTrope However, Cryer's performance was acclaimed and the actor was quickly embraced as a great Lex Luthor.]]
** Staz Nair as William Dey. Many fans think he has zero chemistry with Melissa Benoist.
** Inverted with the casting of David Hoflin as Rick Malverne in season 2's "Alex". He's a fine actor, as is Gregg Henry, who plays Malverne's father in the episode. Even better, they actually look like they could be father and son, which HollywoodGenetics doesn't usually guarantee.

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** [[PayEvilUntoEvil Manchester Black]] is driven to a life of crime after his alien fiancée is murdered by the [[FantasticRacism anti-alien]] Children of Liberty. Manipulating [[Characters/ArrowverseKaraZorEl Supergirl]] to get closer to the group, Manchester interrogates a handful of the Children until discovering that the group's leader is Agent Liberty, aka Ben Lockwood. Paying Lockwood a visit, Manchester reveals Lockwood's secret to his wife, before trying to kill the both of them. Breaking out of jail, Manchester forms the team known as the Elite to combat the Children of Liberty's bigotry. Following the Elite's downfall, Manchester causes a city wide blackout and uses the Staff of K'lar to [[SuicideByCop successfully drive J'onn J'onzz into killing him]], using his final words to admire how "beautiful" he is. Throughout his appearance, Manchester proves himself to be [[BadassNormal combatively capable even without powers]], and [[AffablyEvil genuinely charming]], all the while being one of the most dangerously competent foes Team Supergirl ever faced.
** "[[Recap/Supergirl2015S2E19Alex Alex]]": [[VillainOfTheWeek Rick Malverne]] is a former classmate of the Danvers sisters who bore witness to Kara surviving a horrific accident and using her powers to save people. Remembering this, Rick pieces together her past identity once Kara publicly reveals herself as "Supergirl" to National City. Taking the opportunity to free his criminal father from prison, Rick kidnaps Alex and places her in a glass cage, located in a building laced with lead to deter Kara, while slowly filling it with water. Giving Kara and her friends 36 hours to either free his father or watch Alex drown. After being apprehended, Rick remains calm and sees through J'onn's attempt to shape-shift into his father, failing to trick Rick. Even when his plan is foiled when his father reveals the location of his trap, Rick graciously congratulates Alex for surviving his trap and accepts his imprisonment without malice.

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** [[PayEvilUntoEvil Manchester Black]] is driven to a life of crime after his alien fiancée is murdered by the [[FantasticRacism anti-alien]] Children of Liberty. Manipulating [[Characters/ArrowverseKaraZorEl Supergirl]] to get closer to the group, Manchester interrogates a handful of the Children until discovering that the group's leader is Agent Liberty, aka Ben Lockwood. Paying Lockwood a visit, Manchester reveals Lockwood's secret to his wife, before trying to kill the both of them. Breaking out of jail, Manchester forms the team known as the Elite to combat the Children of Liberty's bigotry. Following the Elite's downfall, Manchester causes a city wide blackout and uses the Staff of K'lar to [[SuicideByCop successfully drive J'onn J'onzz into killing him]], using his final words to admire how "beautiful" he is. Throughout his appearance, Manchester proves himself to be [[BadassNormal combatively capable even without powers]], and [[AffablyEvil genuinely charming]], all the while being one of the most dangerously competent foes Team Supergirl the Superfriends ever faced.
** "[[Recap/Supergirl2015S2E19Alex Alex]]": [[VillainOfTheWeek [[MonsterOfTheWeek Rick Malverne]] is a former classmate of the Danvers sisters who bore witness to Kara surviving a horrific accident and using her powers to save people. Remembering this, Rick pieces together her past identity once Kara publicly reveals herself as "Supergirl" to National City. Taking the opportunity to free his criminal father from prison, Rick kidnaps Alex and places her in a glass cage, located in a building laced with lead to deter Kara, while slowly filling it with water. Giving water, giving Kara and her friends 36 hours to either free his father or watch Alex drown. After being apprehended, Rick remains calm and sees through J'onn's attempt to shape-shift into his father, failing to trick Rick. Even when his plan is foiled when his father reveals the location of his trap, Rick graciously congratulates Alex for surviving his trap and accepts his imprisonment without malice.
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* PresumedFlop: The show suffered massively from AndYouThoughtItWouldFail, due to an unflattering trailer and a lot of controversy surrounding its pro-feminist message, as well as staring a comic book character who had struggled to find a footing in the last two decades. When it was revealed that CBS were unwilling to renew it for a second season, many assumed it was because the show had been a huge failure, not helped by its subsequent ChannelHop to Creator/TheCW, who had gained a negative reputation for the content they produce and especially regarding their superhero fanfare. However, it actually had great audience numbers, an average of 9.81 million that made it the most viewed superhero show of the 2015-16 season, ''considerably'' higher than the ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'' franchise ''Supergirl'' was adopted by when it moved to the CW. The reason CBS chose not to renew it was because the show was expensive (around $3 million an episode), and The CW would allow for cheaper production. In fact with 126 episodes and 6 seasons it is by far the most successful comic book superheroine adaptation ever, far eclipsing rivals such as Wonder Woman, She-Hulk and Batwoman.

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* PresumedFlop: The show suffered massively from AndYouThoughtItWouldFail, due to an unflattering trailer and a lot of controversy surrounding its pro-feminist message, as well as staring a comic book character who had struggled to find a footing in the last two decades. When it was revealed that CBS were unwilling to renew it for a second season, many assumed it was because the show had been a huge failure, not helped by its subsequent ChannelHop to Creator/TheCW, who had gained a negative reputation for the content they produce and especially regarding their superhero fanfare. However, it actually had great audience numbers, an average of 9.81 million that made it the most viewed superhero show of the 2015-16 season, ''considerably'' higher than the ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'' franchise ''Supergirl'' was adopted by when it moved to the CW. The reason CBS chose not to renew it was because the show was expensive (around $3 million an episode), and The CW would allow for cheaper production. In fact with 126 episodes and 6 seasons it is by far the most successful comic book superheroine adaptation ever, not only far eclipsing rivals such as Wonder Woman, She-Hulk and Batwoman.Batwoman but having more eps than all three combined.
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* MemeticLoser: Superman. Due to his humiliating defeat at the hands of his cousin, he ended up gaining a reputation as one of the greatest jobbers in the Arrowverse, alongside Barry Allen.
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** Kara's BadassBoast to Red Daughter about building up a resistance to Kryptonite for 15 years would sound badass, if it was actually true. Clearly the writers forgot she didn't didn't experience kryptonite or even know what it was until the pilot episode, 4 years prior.

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** Kara's BadassBoast to Red Daughter about building up a resistance to Kryptonite for 15 years would sound badass, if it was actually true. Clearly the writers forgot she didn't didn't experience kryptonite or even know what it was until the pilot episode, 4 years prior. However it could be taken that Kara means she experienced Kryptonite during Krypton's destruction.
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* FoeYayShipping: There is a surprising big fandom for shipping Alex with Astra, despite Astra trying to kill Alex and all humans on Earth, along with Astra being Alex's adoptive sister's aunt. This is mainly due to Alex being revealed to be gay in the second season and Creator/ChylerLeigh having chemistry with every female character.
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*** Brennan Mejia played the Red Ranger of ''Series/PowerRangersDinoCharge'', where they use batteries as their source of power. Here, he played a drug dealer. It's enough that it brought back the jokes about "[[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Mighty]] [[{{Pun}} Morphine]]", but the drug he was selling was also "[[FantasticDrug supercharged]]" [[LightningCanDoAnything by electricity]] from "''[[FanNickname Red]]'' [[CloningBlues Daughter]]" spreading around the world while she's being defibrillated and it [[MassSuperEmpoweringEvent gives superpowers]] to its consumers.

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*** Brennan Mejia played the Red Ranger of ''Series/PowerRangersDinoCharge'', where they use batteries as their source of power. Here, he played a drug dealer. It's enough that it brought back the jokes about "[[Series/MightyMorphinPowerRangers Mighty]] [[{{Pun}} Morphine]]", but the drug he was selling was also "[[FantasticDrug supercharged]]" [[LightningCanDoAnything by electricity]] from "''[[FanNickname Red]]'' [[CloningBlues Daughter]]" Daughter" spreading around the world while she's being defibrillated and it [[MassSuperEmpoweringEvent gives superpowers]] to its consumers.
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** Some fans are upset that Kara told Nia her secret identity in less than a season, while Lena had to wait almost three seasons to find out from someone else. Others feel that it's entirely justified, given that Nia was a budding superheroine who would be working closely with Kara in both their civilian and superhero identities. A lot depends on how people feel about the importance of secret identities in the first place. There are also those who are more upset about the fact that, despite Lena being friends with both Supergirl and Kara Danvers for years, she never saw through the ClarkKenting (though, admittedly, a Luthor who never sees through ClarkKenting is kind of traditional).

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** Some fans are upset that Kara told Nia her secret identity in less than a season, while Lena had to wait almost three seasons to find out from someone else. Others feel that it's entirely justified, given that Nia was a budding superheroine who would be working closely with Kara in both their her civilian and superhero identities. A lot depends on how people feel about the importance of secret identities in the first place. There are also those who are more upset about the fact that, despite Lena being friends with both Supergirl and Kara Danvers for years, she never saw through the ClarkKenting (though, admittedly, a Luthor who never sees through ClarkKenting is kind of traditional).



** In the show's 100th episode, Kara has a chance to go back in time and save Lena from being evil. After a few bad tries, she decides that it just isn't going to work. Unfortunately, it's a little less understandable given that a [[ComicBook/DoctorStrange certain other hero]] [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar went through over 14 MILLION potential timelines until he found the one he wanted not so long ago.]]

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** In the show's 100th episode, Kara has a chance to go back in time and save Lena from being evil. After a few bad tries, she decides that it just isn't going to work. Unfortunately, it's a little less understandable given that a [[ComicBook/DoctorStrange certain other hero]] [[Film/AvengersInfinityWar went through over 14 MILLION potential timelines until he found the one he wanted not so long ago.before.]] Given that Kara is usually incredibly strong-willed and stubborn, it comes across as her just giving up way too easily.

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** Despite of all complains about Kara and Jimmy's romance, some fans have shipped both characters since the late fifties, and [[http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com.es/2015/07/lucy-lane-on-supergirl-show-supermans.html they married in imaginary story "Jimmy Olsen Superman's Pal" #57]].

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** Despite of all complains about Kara and Jimmy's romance, some fans have shipped both characters since the late fifties, and [[http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com.es/2015/07/lucy-lane-on-supergirl-show-supermans.html they married ''ComicBook/SupermansPalJimmyOlsen'' #57.
** Kara having an adoptive sibling was done for the first time
in imaginary 1963 story "Jimmy Olsen Superman's Pal" #57]]."ComicBook/SupergirlsBigBrother".
** Superman fans have decried Superman stating that Supergirl is more powerful as disrespectful towards the character, but it is not the first time that Superman has made such a claim. Jerry Siegel himself has his creation say that Supergirl is his equal -and he would not care if she was more powerful- in 1961 storyline "ComicBook/TheUnknownSupergirl".

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** A little more flippantly the debate over whether people preferred Supergirl in her skirt or pants?



* PresumedFlop: The show suffered massively from AndYouThoughtItWouldFail, due to an unflattering trailer and a lot of controversy surrounding its pro-feminist message, as well as staring a comic book character who had struggled to find a footing in the last two decades. When it was revealed that CBS were unwilling to renew it for a second season, many assumed it was because the show had been a huge failure, not helped by its subsequent ChannelHop to Creator/TheCW, who had gained a negative reputation for the content they produce and especially regarding their superhero fanfare. However, it actually had great audience numbers, an average of 9.81 million that made it the most viewed superhero show of the 2015-16 season, ''considerably'' higher than the ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'' franchise ''Supergirl'' was adopted by when it moved to the CW. The reason CBS chose not to renew it was because the show was expensive (around $3 million an episode), and The CW would allow for cheaper production.

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* PresumedFlop: The show suffered massively from AndYouThoughtItWouldFail, due to an unflattering trailer and a lot of controversy surrounding its pro-feminist message, as well as staring a comic book character who had struggled to find a footing in the last two decades. When it was revealed that CBS were unwilling to renew it for a second season, many assumed it was because the show had been a huge failure, not helped by its subsequent ChannelHop to Creator/TheCW, who had gained a negative reputation for the content they produce and especially regarding their superhero fanfare. However, it actually had great audience numbers, an average of 9.81 million that made it the most viewed superhero show of the 2015-16 season, ''considerably'' higher than the ''Series/{{Arrowverse}}'' franchise ''Supergirl'' was adopted by when it moved to the CW. The reason CBS chose not to renew it was because the show was expensive (around $3 million an episode), and The CW would allow for cheaper production. In fact with 126 episodes and 6 seasons it is by far the most successful comic book superheroine adaptation ever, far eclipsing rivals such as Wonder Woman, She-Hulk and Batwoman.
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** Some believe Cat was not fooled by Kara's stunt with J'onn and still knows she is Supergirl but plays along because of how uncomfortable Kara was that she caught on, or else that she was fooled at first but later figured it out. This gained traction after Barry Allen's appearance, where she instantly figured out he was the Flash and tells Kara she always figures out things like that. In the season 2 finale Cat tells Kara, after she runs off to stop a fire, to "Go get 'em Supergirl," so she must've figured it out at some point.

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** Some believe Cat was not fooled by Kara's stunt with J'onn and still knows she is Supergirl but plays along because of how uncomfortable Kara was that she caught on, or else that she was fooled at first but later figured it out. This gained traction after Barry Allen's appearance, where she instantly figured out he was the Flash and tells Kara she always figures out things like that. In the season 2 finale Cat tells Kara, after she runs off to stop a fire, to "Go get 'em Supergirl," so she must've figured it out at some point. [[spoiler:Confirmed in the series finale.]]
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** Season 6 has a trio of episodes ("[[Recap/Supergirl2015S6E9DreamWeaver Dream Weaver]]," "[[Recap/Supergirl2015S6E10StillIRise Still I Rise]]," and "[[Recap/Supergirl2015S6E12BlindSpots Blind Spots]]," with "[[Recap/Supergirl2015S6E11MxyInTheMiddle Mxy In The Middle]]" as a BreatherEpisode in the middle) that hit, in order: private prisons and exploitation of inmates, the need for social support services for low-income and former convicts, and the divide in private health care, tied together with themes of gentrification and getting rid of the undesirables. The episodes get ''less subtle'' as the arc continues, to the point where a blonde-haired blue-eyed white City Councilwoman is literally sucking the life force out of impoverished black people so she can be powerful. All that's missing is a racist rant about not wanting "those people" in her district, and racist motivations are still very heavily implied.
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** Kara herself. She frequently comes off as arrogant and self-righteous, particularly when it comes to Kryptonite and her [[ThouShaltNotKill "I never kill"]] attitude, while everything with her relationship with Mon-El is heavily controversial. It doesn't help that in season 3 she is [[BadassDecay completely incapable of defeating anyone in a fight she doesn't already have a massive advantage over,]] not even a normal human who got Worldkiller power literally the minute before Kara fights her. Thus she ends up either having to be saved or talk the villain down, which is pretty big strike against the main protagonist of anything.

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** Kara herself. She frequently comes off as arrogant and self-righteous, particularly when it comes to Kryptonite and her [[ThouShaltNotKill "I never kill"]] attitude, while everything with her relationship with Mon-El is heavily controversial. It doesn't help that in season 3 she is [[BadassDecay completely incapable of defeating anyone in a fight she doesn't already have a massive advantage over,]] not even a normal human who got Worldkiller power literally the minute before Kara fights her. Thus she ends up either having to be saved or talk the villain down, which is pretty big strike against the main protagonist of anything.

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** General Lane earns another medal by having ''Kryptonite injections'' on hand to torture Astra with. Did he come up with them just for her, or did he have a different target in mind when they were first developed?
** Maxwell Lord truly cements what a bastard he is in "Bizarro" when it's revealed that he kidnapped not one, but ''seven girls'' in an attempt to make a Supergirl clone, inflicting DeathOfPersonality on the seventh and actual death on the first six. To be fair, all of them were brain-dead with zero chance of recovery, but the nonchalance with which he experiments on and disposes of them sends the clear message he is NOT a good person.
** If Non didn't cross it for you by using Myriad to brainwash all of National City to do his bidding, even commit suicide should he order it, he probably did when he sent a brainwashed Alex in a Kryptonite-powered suit after Kara, fully intending that either or both of them should die in petty revenge for Astra's death.
** Indigo clearly crossed it a while ago, having tried to exterminate all life on Krypton, but in the present day, not only does she try to pull the same crime on Earth ''twice'', she urges Non to use Myriad to conquer whole other worlds, and even gives him the aforementioned idea to send Alex to kill Kara.
** The version of Kara that emerges when she is infected with Red Kryptonite crosses it when she goes after and tries to kill Alex.
** CADMUS (particularly Lillian Luthor and Hank Henshaw) in season 2 has a number of potential crossing points, but they sink to their absolute lowest when [[FinalSolution they intend to unleash a virus over National City that will exterminate all alien life, with their ultimate goal being the entire world]].
** Roulette was pretty bad in her first appearance, exploiting aliens in an underground fight club. She flew over the horizon in her next appearance, cooperating with alien slavers to abduct and sell humans. She shows zero empathy for her role in this, outright bragging about the diamonds she's being paid with and how she's taken human trafficking to a new level.
** If Mon-El's mother and Queen of Daxam Rhea trying to kill Kara to force her son to return to Daxam with them first through bounty hunters and then personally wasn't it, then she DEFINITELY crosses it when she murders Lar Gand, her husband and King of Daxam over the fact that he let Mon-El go back to Earth and then swears vengeance on the Earth. She tells Mon-El that he died of heartbreak. Later in the series, she zooms even further past the event horizon when she forces a marriage on Mon-El and Lena by targeting one of Lena's charity hospitals and threatening to destroy it.
** Morgan Edge crossed it when he poisoned dozens of children across the city just to frame and get back at Lena for buying [=CatCo=].
** Winn's father Winslow Schott Sr. AKA Toyman crossed it before the series even started. When Winn was a child Toyman responded when Winn's mother Mary tried to leave him and take Winn with her by running her off the road, giving Winn a concussion and then threatening to kill Winn if she ever went anywhere near Winn afterward. The fact that he later coaches his apprentice into following through with the threat even after his death makes it clear it wasn't something said in the heat of the moment. Mary also implies that Toyman had been abusive to her even before he went insane.
** Ben Lockwood has several potential moments:
*** When he bludgeoned an innocent alien factory worker to death.
*** When he kills Fiona just for being an alien.
*** His plan to sic mind-controlled aliens on children to provoke public xenophobia. Making this even more disgusting, Agent Liberty is a father himself; he knows what it's like to fear for your child's life, and he's actively trying to spread that feeling around to suit his own agenda.
** Manchester Black abandons the last of his morals when he plans on destroying the National City dam, flooding the city and killing thousands of people, all just to prove a point to J'onn.
** If Lex Luthor didn't cross it when he turned the Sun red in an attempt to kill Superman (putting who knows how peoples lives at risk), he defiantly crossed it when poisoned the judge, jury, and prosecutor at his trial for turning the Sun red.
** Lena during her villainous stage in Season 5, had Hope violate Eves body and overwrite her mind. It was never explained what happened to Eves personality. She also was prepared to reveal Kara's identity to the world without any concern for Kara's family and friends becoming targets for Supergirl's enemies.

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* MoralEventHorizon:
** General Lane earns another medal by having ''Kryptonite injections'' on hand to torture Astra with. Did he come up with them just for her, or did he have a different target in mind when they were first developed?
** Maxwell Lord truly cements what a bastard he is in "Bizarro" when it's revealed that he kidnapped not one, but ''seven girls'' in an attempt to make a Supergirl clone, inflicting DeathOfPersonality on the seventh and actual death on the first six. To be fair, all of them were brain-dead with zero chance of recovery, but the nonchalance with which he experiments on and disposes of them sends the clear message he is NOT a good person.
** If Non didn't cross it for you by using Myriad to brainwash all of National City to do his bidding, even commit suicide should he order it, he probably did when he sent a brainwashed Alex in a Kryptonite-powered suit after Kara, fully intending that either or both of them should die in petty revenge for Astra's death.
** Indigo clearly crossed it a while ago, having tried to exterminate all life on Krypton, but in the present day, not only does she try to pull the same crime on Earth ''twice'', she urges Non to use Myriad to conquer whole other worlds, and even gives him the aforementioned idea to send Alex to kill Kara.
** The version of Kara that emerges when she is infected with Red Kryptonite crosses it when she goes after and tries to kill Alex.
** CADMUS (particularly Lillian Luthor and Hank Henshaw) in season 2 has a number of potential crossing points, but they sink to their absolute lowest when [[FinalSolution they intend to unleash a virus over National City that will exterminate all alien life, with their ultimate goal being the entire world]].
** Roulette was pretty bad in her first appearance, exploiting aliens in an underground fight club. She flew over the horizon in her next appearance, cooperating with alien slavers to abduct and sell humans. She shows zero empathy for her role in this, outright bragging about the diamonds she's being paid with and how she's taken human trafficking to a new level.
** If Mon-El's mother and Queen of Daxam Rhea trying to kill Kara to force her son to return to Daxam with them first through bounty hunters and then personally wasn't it, then she DEFINITELY crosses it when she murders Lar Gand, her husband and King of Daxam over the fact that he let Mon-El go back to Earth and then swears vengeance on the Earth. She tells Mon-El that he died of heartbreak. Later in the series, she zooms even further past the event horizon when she forces a marriage on Mon-El and Lena by targeting one of Lena's charity hospitals and threatening to destroy it.
** Morgan Edge crossed it when he poisoned dozens of children across the city just to frame and get back at Lena for buying [=CatCo=].
** Winn's father Winslow Schott Sr. AKA Toyman crossed it before the series even started. When Winn was a child Toyman responded when Winn's mother Mary tried to leave him and take Winn with her by running her off the road, giving Winn a concussion and then threatening to kill Winn if she ever went anywhere near Winn afterward. The fact that he later coaches his apprentice into following through with the threat even after his death makes it clear it wasn't something said in the heat of the moment. Mary also implies that Toyman had been abusive to her even before he went insane.
** Ben Lockwood has several potential moments:
*** When he bludgeoned an innocent alien factory worker to death.
*** When he kills Fiona just for being an alien.
*** His plan to sic mind-controlled aliens on children to provoke public xenophobia. Making this even more disgusting, Agent Liberty is a father himself; he knows what it's like to fear for your child's life, and he's actively trying to spread that feeling around to suit his own agenda.
** Manchester Black abandons the last of his morals when he plans on destroying the National City dam, flooding the city and killing thousands of people, all just to prove a point to J'onn.
** If Lex Luthor didn't cross it when he turned the Sun red in an attempt to kill Superman (putting who knows how peoples lives at risk), he defiantly crossed it when poisoned the judge, jury, and prosecutor at his trial for turning the Sun red.
** Lena during her villainous stage in Season 5, had Hope violate Eves body and overwrite her mind. It was never explained what happened to Eves personality. She also was prepared to reveal Kara's identity to the world without any concern for Kara's family and friends becoming targets for Supergirl's enemies.
MoralEventHorizon: See [[MoralEventHorizon/{{Arrowverse}} here]].

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** Blake Jenner's appearance as a potential love interest towards Kara in Season 1 is put in a darker light when Melissa Benoist stated that she suffered domestic abuse from an ex that had restricted her from taking roles with a love interest other than him and that he even threw an [=iPhone=] at her and damaged one of her eyes in the process. Benoist did not name the ex in her video, but many had guessed she was speaking about Jenner.
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** [[http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/supergirl-costume-revealed-photos-melissa-benoist-cbs-1201447987/ The reveal of Kara in the super suit.]] Fans are divided on just about every aspect of it: muted colors like in ''Film/ManOfSteel'', ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' (though like the latter two especially and as later seen in trailers, the lighting exaggerated that), having a skirt and her midriff not [[BareYourMidriff being exposed]] unlike the most recent versions, having leggings along with the skirt, the removal of the yellow background in the S shield, etc... This more or less died down once the outfit was seen in natural lighting, showing that the colors were brighter than thought.

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** [[http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/supergirl-costume-revealed-photos-melissa-benoist-cbs-1201447987/ The reveal of Kara in the super suit.]] Fans are divided on just about every aspect of it: muted colors like in ''Film/ManOfSteel'', ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' (though like the latter two especially and as later seen in trailers, the lighting exaggerated that), having a skirt and her midriff not [[BareYourMidriff being exposed]] exposed unlike the most recent versions, having leggings along with the skirt, the removal of the yellow background in the S shield, etc... This more or less died down once the outfit was seen in natural lighting, showing that the colors were brighter than thought.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment: In "How Does She Do It", Winn gives an ActionFigureJustification about the toys on his desk, calling them "adult collectibles". While this is PlayedForLaughs at the time, implying Winn is a {{Manchild}} in denial while also being a MythologyGag for his comic book counterpart Toyman, the reveal that Winn's ''father'' was Toyman, that he murdered people with an explosive teddy bear, and that Winn fears becoming like him, puts his dislike of the word "toys" in a heartbreaking light.



** "How Does She Do It", Winn gives an ActionFigureJustification about the toys on his desk, calling them "adult collectibles". While this is PlayedForLaughs at the time, implying Winn is a {{Manchild}} in denial while also being a MythologyGag for his comic book counterpart Toyman, the reveal that Winn's ''father'' was Toyman, that he murdered people with an explosive teddy bear, and that Winn fears becoming like him, puts his dislike of the word "toys" in a heartbreaking light.



** Season 5 had aged poorly ''before it had even ended.'' The overarching message of the season was that technology was a negative influence, as innovations like virtual reality and new smartphones was distracting people from socializing in person. How badly did it age? During the airing of the final stretch of the season, a real-life unprecedented global pandemic forced the Earth’s population to stay home (including the show's own cast and crew, who were halfway through filming the final episode), and world governments encouraged everyone to keep their distance from each other and to contact anyone outside their household through online services like Skype or just stay home and play video games/ watch TV for a few weeks to a few months- which undermined the message behind Season 5.

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** Season 5 had aged poorly ''before it had even ended.'' The overarching message of the season was that technology was a negative influence, as innovations like virtual reality and new smartphones was distracting people from socializing in person. How badly did it age? During the airing of the final stretch of the season, a real-life unprecedented global pandemic forced the Earth’s Earth's population to stay home (including the show's own cast and crew, who were halfway through filming the final episode), and world governments encouraged everyone to keep their distance from each other and to contact anyone outside their household through online services like Skype or just stay home and play video games/ watch TV for a few weeks to a few months- which undermined the message behind Season 5.

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Within inner fandom rivalries and friendships in larger fandoms can't count as Fandom Rivalry and Friendly Fandoms. The latter would only count if these versions were scrapped and we're rescued and reeds like a shoehorn to complain about the DCEU.


* FandomRivalry: With the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse, mainly due to differences in tone and theme. This came to a head when the show's crossover with ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' aired a mere three days after the premier of ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''. Many saw the ''Supergirl'' episode as the superior crossover due to its LighterAndSofter tone and its lack of [[LetsYouAndHimFight forced conflict]]. It was taken even further when the show introduced its own take on Superman in Season 2 and Marc Guggenheim explicitly mentioned that the new Superman would be a kinder, gentler and more overtly heroic take on the character, similar to his usual depiction in the comics. It's almost like he was subtly trying to distance the TV Superman from the modern movie version. Tyler Hoechlin even went so far as to say that Superman doesn't have to be [[DarkerAndEdgier brooding or dark]] to be cool, seemingly taking a shot at the mixed reception to the DCEU version of the character for that exact reason. It did lessen over time, first with Superman's [[TookALevelInCheerfulness more optimistic and cheerful portrayal]] in [[Film/JusticeLeague2017 both]] [[Film/ZackSnydersJusticeLeague versions]] of ''Justice League'' and the spin-off series ''Series/SupermanAndLois'' taking several creative cues from the DCEU depiction. Also, Creator/JesseEisenberg's portrayal of Lex Luthor is seen by many, even fans of the movie, [[TheScrappy one of the low points of ''Dawn Of Justice'']], while Creator/JonCryer's take on the role is more well-liked despite Cryer often over-acts his role similar to Eisenberg, but the former's version is seen to be more entertaining while the latter's is often described as annoying and irritating.



* FriendlyFandoms:
** The Series/{{Arrowverse}} fandom (''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'') has largely welcomed the show's existence, and there's a lot of hope by fans that it can be adopted into their universe the same way ''Series/{{Constantine}}'' was. It helps that ''Supergirl'' is produced by a lot of the same people, and it also helps that the show is apparently less beholden to stay out of the way of the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse, giving those creators a chance to still explore characters taken off the table for those shows like Harley Quinn and Green Lantern. And sure enough, an appearance by the Flash was negotiated during the first season, officially making Supergirl part of the Arrowverse. Later on, she would join him for more adventures, including a four-way crossover where she worked with the Arrow and the Legends.
** Another one has popped up with ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' fandom. Fans like how Diana and Kara are idealistic, cheerful, ice cream-loving superheroines and how their respective actresses are good friends in real life. The genuine friendship between the two works is rather ironic given how ''Supergirl'' fans tend not to get along with fans of the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse's take on Superman.
** Has some crossover with the ''Series/Merlin2008'' fandom due to the appearance of Katie [=McGrath=], who plays a similar role in both shows as a friend of the secretly-powerful title character [[FaceHeelTurn who later turns against them]] (though in Lena's case she eventually turns back, while Morgana did not). It got even more pronounced in Season 6 when Lena, like Morgana, discovers she has magic.

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* FriendlyFandoms:
** The Series/{{Arrowverse}} fandom (''Series/{{Arrow}}'' and ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'') has largely welcomed the show's existence, and there's a lot of hope by fans that it can be adopted into their universe the same way ''Series/{{Constantine}}'' was. It helps that ''Supergirl'' is produced by a lot of the same people, and it also helps that the show is apparently less beholden to stay out of the way of the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse, giving those creators a chance to still explore characters taken off the table for those shows like Harley Quinn and Green Lantern. And sure enough, an appearance by the Flash was negotiated during the first season, officially making Supergirl part of the Arrowverse. Later on, she would join him for more adventures, including a four-way crossover where she worked with the Arrow and the Legends.
** Another one has popped up with ''Film/WonderWoman2017'' fandom. Fans like how Diana and Kara are idealistic, cheerful, ice cream-loving superheroines and how their respective actresses are good friends in real life. The genuine friendship between the two works is rather ironic given how ''Supergirl'' fans tend not to get along with fans of the Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse's take on Superman.
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FriendlyFandoms: Has some crossover with the ''Series/Merlin2008'' fandom due to the appearance of Katie [=McGrath=], who plays a similar role in both shows as a friend of the secretly-powerful title character [[FaceHeelTurn who later turns against them]] (though in Lena's case she eventually turns back, while Morgana did not). It got even more pronounced in Season 6 when Lena, like Morgana, discovers she has magic.



** Those who were not too fond or outright disappointed of the DarkerAndEdgier portrayal of the Franchise/{{Superman}}-mythos in the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' really tend to like the version of the characters the show portrays, mainly Tyler Hoechlin's LighterAndSofter NiceGuy portrayal of Superman [[TruerToTheText more in line with his classic comic book counterpart]] compared to Creator/HenryCavill's dark and broody performance in ''Film/ManOfSteel'' and Jon Cryer's EvilIsHammy performance of Lex Luthor compared to Jesse Eisenberg's often critized performance in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''.
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** While Maggie's storyline with Alex has been well received, there's a segment of fans who dislike the idea of Maggie being with anyone other than [[Comicbook/{{Batwoman}} Kate Kane]], her former love interest from the comics. There's also a smaller segment of fans who are angry about the show omitting Toby Raynes, Maggie's original girlfriend.

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** While Maggie's storyline with Alex has been well received, there's a segment of fans who dislike the idea of Maggie being with anyone other than [[Comicbook/{{Batwoman}} [[ComicBook/{{Batwoman}} Kate Kane]], her former love interest from the comics. There's also a smaller segment of fans who are angry about the show omitting Toby Raynes, Maggie's original girlfriend.



** Even before the crossover with ''Series/{{The Flash 2014}},'' [=FlashxSupergirl=] has gained support. [[https://www.instagram.com/p/BCIMHHSD6SE/ See for yourself.]]

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** Even before the crossover with ''Series/{{The Flash 2014}},'' ''Series/TheFlash2014,'' [=FlashxSupergirl=] has gained support. [[https://www.instagram.com/p/BCIMHHSD6SE/ See for yourself.]]



** Back in the Arrowverse, [=SuperArrow=], aka Kara/[[Series/{{Arrow}} Oliver Queen]]. It helps that their evil [[AlternateSelf Alternate Selves]] in the crossover event ''Series/CrisisOnEarthX'' were revealed to be married.

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** Back in the Arrowverse, [=SuperArrow=], aka Kara/[[Series/{{Arrow}} Oliver Queen]]. It helps that their evil [[AlternateSelf Alternate Selves]] {{Alternate Sel|f}}ves in the crossover event ''Series/CrisisOnEarthX'' were revealed to be married.



** If you're not familiar with the comics, this can happen with the reveal that "Henshaw" is really the ComicBook/MartianManhunter, as all you see is an alien dramatically announcing he has the stunningly ordinary name "John Jones". ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' got around this by pronouncing J'onn J'onzz "Juh-ohn Juh-ownz," with a noticeable stop on the apostrophe. ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' did it by slurring the Js, making it sound like "Zhohn Zhones."

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** If you're not familiar with the comics, this can happen with the reveal that "Henshaw" is really the ComicBook/MartianManhunter, as all you see is an alien dramatically announcing he has the stunningly ordinary name "John Jones". ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice2010'' got around this by pronouncing J'onn J'onzz "Juh-ohn Juh-ownz," with a noticeable stop on the apostrophe. ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'' did it by slurring the Js, making it sound like "Zhohn Zhones."
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** The Supergirl version of Lex Luthor has a staggering resemblance to the controversial Andrew Tate, to the extent that even Jon Cryer has acknowledged and celebrated the comparison. Given Tate's...comments around women and his legal history, it makes it inadvertently joyful to see this doppelganger version of Lex get routinely defeated by female protagonists.
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** Thus who were not to fond or outright disappointed of the DarkerAndEdgier portrayal of the Franchise/{{Superman}}-mythos in the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' really tend to like the version of the characters the show portrays, mainly Tyler Hoechlin's LighterAndSofter NiceGuy portrayal of Superman [[TruerToTheText more in line with his classic comic book counterpart]] compared to Creator/HenryCavill's dark and broody performance in ''Film/ManOfSteel'' and Jon Cryer's EvilIsHammy performance of Lex Luthor compared to Jesse Eisenberg's often critized performance in ''Film/BatmanvsupermanDawnOfJustice''.

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** Thus Those who were not to too fond or outright disappointed of the DarkerAndEdgier portrayal of the Franchise/{{Superman}}-mythos in the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' really tend to like the version of the characters the show portrays, mainly Tyler Hoechlin's LighterAndSofter NiceGuy portrayal of Superman [[TruerToTheText more in line with his classic comic book counterpart]] compared to Creator/HenryCavill's dark and broody performance in ''Film/ManOfSteel'' and Jon Cryer's EvilIsHammy performance of Lex Luthor compared to Jesse Eisenberg's often critized performance in ''Film/BatmanvsupermanDawnOfJustice''.''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice''.
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** Thus who were not to fond or outright disappointed of the DarkerAndEdgier portrayal of the Franchise/{{Superman}}-mythos in the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' really tend to like the version of the characters the show portrays, mainly Tyler Hoechlin's LighterAndSofter NiceGuy portrayal of Superman [[TruerToText more in line with his classic comic book counterpart]] compared to Creator/HenryCavill's dark and broody performance in ''Film/ManOfSteel'' and Jon Cryer's EvilIsHammy performance of Lex Luthor compared to Jesse Eisenberg's often critized performance in ''Film/BatmanvsupermanDawnOfJustice''.

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** Thus who were not to fond or outright disappointed of the DarkerAndEdgier portrayal of the Franchise/{{Superman}}-mythos in the ''Franchise/DCExtendedUniverse'' really tend to like the version of the characters the show portrays, mainly Tyler Hoechlin's LighterAndSofter NiceGuy portrayal of Superman [[TruerToText [[TruerToTheText more in line with his classic comic book counterpart]] compared to Creator/HenryCavill's dark and broody performance in ''Film/ManOfSteel'' and Jon Cryer's EvilIsHammy performance of Lex Luthor compared to Jesse Eisenberg's often critized performance in ''Film/BatmanvsupermanDawnOfJustice''.

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