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** Out of the main cast, Creator/ReeseWitherspoon's singing has garnered the most divisive response, especially with her cover of "Shake It Off", with one part of the fanbase saying she sounded perfectly fine for the songs chosen for her while the other part say that she was awful and wasn't meant for this kind of movie, causing her to be often compared to Creator/RussellCrowe in ''Film/LesMiserables2012''.

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BrokenBase: Out of the main cast, Creator/ReeseWitherspoon's singing has garnered the most divisive response, especially with her cover of "Shake It Off", with one part of the fanbase saying she sounded perfectly fine for the songs chosen for her while the other part say that she was awful and wasn't meant for this kind of movie, causing her to be often compared to Creator/RussellCrowe in ''Film/LesMiserables2012''.
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** Unlike Johnny and Meena, Ash is shown to live on her own at a young age, and she seemingly has no one else around to turn to for support except Lance at the start of the film. She also never mentions her family once in either this movie or its following sequel. So a lot of fanfic writers like to headcanon that Ash had a big falling out with her parents in the past, about her desire to become a punk rocker, and she's currently not on good terms with them.


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* PortmanteauCoupleName:
** Johnny and Ash together are called 'Jash'.
** Buster and Eddie together are called '[=NoodleMoon=]'.
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** Due to their ages being ambiguous, Ash, Meena, and Johnny are usually interpreted as university age rather than teenagers.
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Norman, while not outright beloved, hasn't been the subject of debate, let alone for a sustained period


** Whether Norman is indeed a good husband or not, some find him neglectful and uncaring despite working full-time, but some sympathize with him being a {{Workaholic}} working long or ridiculous hours which means he comes home exhausted. Later on, when he does have time to see the show and chaperone the kids he seems to be more mindful and attentive to his kids and Rosita, giving credence to the theory that he ''is'' a good father, he just doesn't get enough free time to be there for his family.
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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The Japanese dub deserves a special mention since it received ''lots of praise'', especially from non-Japanese viewers, partly due to its AllStarCast of very well-known {{Anime}} voice actors and the fact many of the voice actors are professional singers as well. Special mention to Creator/MaayaSakamoto's performance as Rosita, as she sings in [[SurprisinglyGoodEnglish English very well]] and is considered ''far'' superior to Reese Witherspoon’s criticized performance. The rest of the cast, who sing in Japanese, aren't slouches either, taking into account they are singing Japanese covers of English songs, including ones from genres that are niche in Japan, like gospel.

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* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The Japanese dub deserves a special mention since it received ''lots of praise'', especially from non-Japanese viewers, partly due to its AllStarCast of very well-known {{Anime}} voice actors and the fact many of the voice actors are professional singers as well. Special mention to Creator/MaayaSakamoto's performance as Rosita, as she sings in [[SurprisinglyGoodEnglish English very well]] well and is considered ''far'' superior to Reese Witherspoon’s criticized performance. The rest of the cast, who sing in Japanese, aren't slouches either, taking into account they are singing Japanese covers of English songs, including ones from genres that are niche in Japan, like gospel.
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** [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Brian]] the Mouse.[[note]]Due to their similar [[Jerkass personalities]], appearances and sharing the same [[Creator/SethMacFarlane voice actor]], it became very popular for ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' fans to compare Mike to Brian Griffin.[[/note]]

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** [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Brian]] the Mouse.[[note]]Due to their similar [[Jerkass [[{{Jerkass}} personalities]], appearances and sharing the same [[Creator/SethMacFarlane voice actor]], it became very popular for ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' fans to compare Mike to Brian Griffin.[[/note]]



* SignatureScene: Johnny's performance of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover of one of Elton John's classic songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters arcs at once. [[spoiler:It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of that realization.]]

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* SignatureScene: Johnny's performance of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover of one of Elton John's classic songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters characters' arcs at once. [[spoiler:It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of that realization.]]



** The fact that the movie is set in a WorldOfFunnyAnimals has absolutely no baring on the plot at all, and there are surprisingly few animal-related gags.

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** The fact that the movie is set in a WorldOfFunnyAnimals has absolutely no baring bearing on the plot at all, and there are surprisingly few animal-related gags.
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** Mike. An [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk insufferable asshole with no redeeming qualities]], or a [[JerkassDissonance loveable and funny jerk]] with an [[SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound incredible singing voice]]? Many are split over this. The fact that he's voiced by the ever-so controversial Creator/SethMacFarlane, in addition to the Latin American dub portraying him with a heavy [[AcceptableTargets Argentine]] [[NationalStereotypes/CentralAndSouthAmerica accent]], didn't really help.

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** Mike. An [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk insufferable asshole with no redeeming qualities]], or a [[JerkassDissonance loveable and funny jerk]] with an [[SugarWiki/MostWonderfulSound incredible singing voice]]? Many are split over this. The fact that he's voiced by the ever-so controversial Creator/SethMacFarlane, in addition to the Latin American dub portraying him with a heavy [[AcceptableTargets Argentine]] [[NationalStereotypes/CentralAndSouthAmerica Argentine accent]], didn't really help.

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* RonTheDeathEater: Ash's ex-boyfriend, Lance, tends to get this treatment. In the film, Lance is a pretty straightforward {{jerkass}} with [[HateSink no redeeming qualities]], who constantly puts her down, [[spoiler:cheats on her, and then has the nerve to blame her for his own infidelity.]] However, in Ash-centric fanfics where Lance is the antagonist, his character is often turned into an outright stalker, murderer or sexual predator to provide some additional conflict.



** Johnny. Artistic and sweet, Johnny is torn between following his own dreams of becoming a singer and pleasing his father by becoming part of his criminal gang. When he tries to secretly do both, it eventually lands his father and the entire gang in prison, and his father [[IHaveNoSon angrily shuns him because of it.]] After Buster's deceit is revealed, Johnny openly admits that the competition has ruined any chance he has of his father ever speaking to him again. [[spoiler: Luckily, his dad eventually comes around after seeing Johnny's stellar performance and escapes from prison just to apologize to him. By the end of the film, Johnny now has all the freedom that he needs to become his own man and pursue his true passion, but he also has to accept the fact that he's probably going to be separated from his father and the rest of his clan for a long time as well while they're behind bars, so his subplot ultimately wraps up on a very bittersweet note.]]

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** Johnny. Artistic and sweet, Johnny is torn between following his own dreams of becoming a singer and pleasing his father by becoming part of his criminal gang. When he tries to secretly do both, it eventually lands his father and the entire gang in prison, and his father [[IHaveNoSon angrily shuns him because of it.]] it. After Buster's deceit is revealed, Johnny openly admits that the competition has ruined any chance he has of his father ever speaking to him again. [[spoiler: Luckily, his dad eventually comes around after seeing Johnny's stellar performance and escapes from prison just to apologize to him. By the end of the film, Johnny now has all the freedom that he needs to become his own man and pursue his true passion, but he also has to accept the fact that he's probably going to be separated from his father and the rest of his clan for a long time as well while they're behind bars, so his subplot ultimately wraps up on a very bittersweet note.]]

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* SignatureScene: Johnny's performance of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover of one of Elton John's classic songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters arcs at once. [[spoiler:It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of that realization.]]



* SignatureScene: Johnny's performance of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover of one of Elton John's classic songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters arcs at once. [[spoiler:It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of that realization.]]

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* SignatureScene: Johnny's {{Squick}}:
** The {{Gasshole}} buffalo passes gas twice right against Buster's head, shortly before running off farting several times over.
** Ms. Crawly's glass eye has a tendency to pop out ''frequently'' and she is usually not seen cleaning or washing it before ''placing it back in her eye socket.''
* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The Japanese dub deserves a special mention since it received ''lots of praise'', especially from non-Japanese viewers, partly due to its AllStarCast of very well-known {{Anime}} voice actors and the fact many of the voice actors are professional singers as well. Special mention to Creator/MaayaSakamoto's
performance as Rosita, as she sings in [[SurprisinglyGoodEnglish English very well]] and is considered ''far'' superior to Reese Witherspoon’s criticized performance. The rest of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene cast, who sing in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover Japanese, aren't slouches either, taking into account they are singing Japanese covers of one of Elton John's classic English songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters arcs at once. [[spoiler:It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands including ones from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of genres that realization.]]are niche in Japan, like gospel.



* {{Squick}}:
** The {{Gasshole}} buffalo passes gas twice right against Buster's head, shortly before running off farting several times over.
** Ms. Crawly's glass eye has a tendency to pop out ''frequently'' and she is usually not seen cleaning or washing it before ''placing it back in her eye socket.''
* SugarWiki/SuperlativeDubbing: The Japanese dub deserves a special mention since it received ''lots of praise'', especially from non-Japanese viewers, partly due to its AllStarCast of very well-known {{Anime}} voice actors and the fact many of the voice actors are professional singers as well. Special mention to Creator/MaayaSakamoto's performance as Rosita, as she sings in [[SurprisinglyGoodEnglish English very well]] and is considered ''far'' superior to Reese Witherspoon’s criticized performance. The rest of the cast, who sing in Japanese, aren't slouches either, taking into account they are singing Japanese covers of English songs, including ones from genres that are niche in Japan, like gospel.
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** [[WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy Brian]] the Mouse.[[note]]Due to their similar [[Jerkass personalities]], appearances and sharing the same [[Creator/SethMacFarlane voice actor]], it became very popular for ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' fans to compare Mike to Brian Griffin.[[/note]]
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* {{Applicability}}: Johnny's character arc can be read as an allegory for a ComingOutStory. With Johnny's hidden love for singing being a metaphor for being gay/bi and how his father at first hates it, but learns to come around and accept his son for who he truly is. Johnny singing a song made by an [[Music/EltonJohn openly gay man]] during the climax only adds an additional bit of fuel to the fire of that interpretation.

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* {{Applicability}}: Johnny's character arc can be read as an allegory for a ComingOutStory. With Johnny's hidden love for singing being a metaphor for being gay/bi and how his [[spoiler:his father at first hates it, but learns to come around and accept his son for who he truly is. is.]] Johnny singing a song made by an [[Music/EltonJohn openly gay man]] during the climax only adds an additional bit of fuel to the fire of that interpretation.



** Marcus' [[SatelliteCharacter two fellow bank robbers]], Stan and Barry, are decently well-liked, especially for how they watch Johnny's performance without holding a grudge for how he bailed on the robbery.

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** Marcus' [[SatelliteCharacter two fellow bank robbers]], Stan and Barry, are decently well-liked, especially for how [[spoiler:how they watch Johnny's performance without holding a grudge for how he bailed on the robbery. robbery.]]



** By the end of the film, Johnny now has all the freedom and independence he needs to make his own life choices and pursue his true passion. However, he's also been separated from his father and the rest of his clan for an unknown amount of time, while the trio are behind bars. Johnny-centric fanfics that are set after the film usually tend to be centered around the gorilla bonding with his new friends and finding his place among them, adjusting to living on his own for the first time in his life, and rebuilding his bond with his father while the latter is in prison.
** Since Mike and Nancy's fate is left ambiguous by the end of the movie, a lot of fanfics that are centered around the street muscian like to explore the question of whether or not he and his girlfriend managed to escape the bear gangsters who were hunting them. Quite a few fanfics have been written about the other theater animals reacting with shock and horror, once they learn what became of the two mice in scenarios where they really did lose their lives to the bears.

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** By the end of the film, Johnny [[spoiler:Johnny now has all the freedom and independence he needs to make his own life choices and pursue his true passion. However, he's also been separated from his father and the rest of his clan for an unknown amount of time, while the trio are behind bars. Johnny-centric fanfics that are set after the film usually tend to be centered around the gorilla bonding with his new friends and finding his place among them, adjusting to living on his own for the first time in his life, and rebuilding his bond with his father while the latter is in prison.
prison.]]
** Since [[spoiler:Since Mike and Nancy's fate is left ambiguous by the end of the movie, a lot of fanfics that are centered around the street muscian like to explore the question of whether or not he and his girlfriend managed to escape the bear gangsters who were hunting them. Quite a few fanfics have been written about the other theater animals reacting with shock and horror, once they learn what became of the two mice in scenarios where they really did lose their lives to the bears.]]



-->“Who wants to see another one of those?”
* JerkassWoobie: Mike. A complete jackass con artist who is implied to have no home or money to his name, so he's had to put on a tough act to survive on the streets. He's a street musician who lives off of tips and it's likely his suit and saxophone are his only possessions.[[note]](The car was entirely loaned by the bank which he has ''no means'' to pay back.)[[/note]] It's why he's so adamant on winning the prize money as it will help turn his life around but now he's being hunted down by the bear mafia, possibly for life, which is why he had to ditch town and never come back for the sequel.

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* JerkassWoobie: Mike. A complete jackass con artist who is implied to have no home or money to his name, so he's had to put on a tough act to survive on the streets. He's a street musician who lives off of tips and it's likely his suit and saxophone are his only possessions.[[note]](The car was entirely loaned by the bank which he has ''no means'' to pay back.)[[/note]] It's why he's so adamant on winning the prize money as it will help turn his life around but now [[spoiler:now he's being hunted down by the bear mafia, possibly for life, which is why he had to ditch town and never come back for the sequel.]]



* SignatureScene: Johnny's performance of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover of one of Elton John's classic songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters arcs at once. It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of that realization.

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* SignatureScene: Johnny's performance of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover of one of Elton John's classic songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters arcs at once. It's [[spoiler:It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of that realization.]]



** Johnny. Artistic and sweet, Johnny is torn between following his own dreams of becoming a singer and pleasing his father by becoming part of his criminal gang. When he tries to secretly do both, it eventually lands his father and the entire gang in prison, and his father [[IHaveNoSon angrily turns his back on him because of it.]] After Buster's deceit is revealed, Johnny openly admits that the competition has ruined any chance he has of his father ever speaking to him again. [[spoiler: Luckily, his dad eventually comes around after seeing Johnny's stellar performance and escapes from prison just to apologize to him. By the end of the film, Johnny now has all the freedom that he needs to become his own man and pursue his true passion, but he also has to accept the fact that he's probably going to be separated from his father and the rest of his clan for a long time as well while they're behind bars, so his subplot ultimately wraps up on a very bittersweet note.]]

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** Johnny. Artistic and sweet, Johnny is torn between following his own dreams of becoming a singer and pleasing his father by becoming part of his criminal gang. When he tries to secretly do both, it eventually lands his father and the entire gang in prison, and his father [[IHaveNoSon angrily turns his back on shuns him because of it.]] After Buster's deceit is revealed, Johnny openly admits that the competition has ruined any chance he has of his father ever speaking to him again. [[spoiler: Luckily, his dad eventually comes around after seeing Johnny's stellar performance and escapes from prison just to apologize to him. By the end of the film, Johnny now has all the freedom that he needs to become his own man and pursue his true passion, but he also has to accept the fact that he's probably going to be separated from his father and the rest of his clan for a long time as well while they're behind bars, so his subplot ultimately wraps up on a very bittersweet note.]]

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** Was Marcus' rejection and IHaveNoSon moment with Johnny caused by a contempt towards singing as a career, anger at his son for choosing a different path than joining the gang, or was he acting on impulse out of anger that Johnny abandoned his post at all and inadvertently got the gang imprisoned?

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** Was Marcus' rejection and his IHaveNoSon moment with Johnny caused by a contempt towards singing as a career, anger at his son for choosing a different path than joining the gang, or was he acting on impulse out of anger that Johnny abandoned his post at all and inadvertently got the gang imprisoned?



** Was the Japanese Red Panda group that kept showing up unaware that they failed to make the cut, were they just that determined to be part of the show, or were they just [[{{Troll}} messing around with Buster]]?

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** Was the Japanese Red Panda red panda group that kept showing up unaware that they failed to make the cut, were they just that determined to be part of the show, or were they just [[{{Troll}} messing around with Buster]]?



* {{Applicability}}: Johnny's story has been read as an allegory for a ComingOutStory. With Johnny's hidden love for singing being a metaphor for being gay/bi and how his father at first hates it, but learns to come around and accept his son for who he truly is. Johnny singing a song made by an [[Music/EltonJohn openly gay man]] during the climax has only furthered the metaphor.

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* {{Applicability}}: Johnny's story has been character arc can be read as an allegory for a ComingOutStory. With Johnny's hidden love for singing being a metaphor for being gay/bi and how his father at first hates it, but learns to come around and accept his son for who he truly is. Johnny singing a song made by an [[Music/EltonJohn openly gay man]] during the climax has only furthered adds an additional bit of fuel to the metaphor.fire of that interpretation.



* FanficFuel: Following up on Ash and Lance's break-up. Some fanfics have Ash starting another relationship (oftentimes with Johnny), some have Ash and Lance getting back together and some have Ash having to fend off Lance with the support of her new friends.

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Following up on Ash and Lance's break-up. Some fanfics have Ash starting another relationship (oftentimes with Johnny), some have Ash and Lance getting back together together, and some have Lance returning to antagonize Ash and the porcupine rocker having to fend him off Lance with the support of her new friends.friends.
** By the end of the film, Johnny now has all the freedom and independence he needs to make his own life choices and pursue his true passion. However, he's also been separated from his father and the rest of his clan for an unknown amount of time, while the trio are behind bars. Johnny-centric fanfics that are set after the film usually tend to be centered around the gorilla bonding with his new friends and finding his place among them, adjusting to living on his own for the first time in his life, and rebuilding his bond with his father while the latter is in prison.
** Since Mike and Nancy's fate is left ambiguous by the end of the movie, a lot of fanfics that are centered around the street muscian like to explore the question of whether or not he and his girlfriend managed to escape the bear gangsters who were hunting them. Quite a few fanfics have been written about the other theater animals reacting with shock and horror, once they learn what became of the two mice in scenarios where they really did lose their lives to the bears.



* LGBTFanbase: The musical theater aspect has won LGBT fans and Johnny has resonated with a lot of LGBT viewers for his story being parallel to an LGBT teen struggling to accept who they are and their family's acceptance. Buster and Eddie also have quite a bit of HoYay throughout the film, which led to people envisioning them as a gay couple.

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* LGBTFanbase: The musical theater aspect has won over LGBT fans and Johnny fans. Johnny's character arc has resonated with a lot of LGBT viewers for his story being viewers, who view it as a parallel to an LGBT teen struggling to accept who they are and gain their family's acceptance. Buster and Eddie also have quite a bit of HoYay throughout the film, which led to people envisioning them as a gay couple.



* SignatureScene: Johnny's performance of "I'm Still Standing" is perhaps the most well-known scene in the movie, partly because Taron Egerton provides a stellar cover of one of Elton John's classic songs, and partly because it's the climax of two different characters arcs at once. It's the culmination of Johnny's growth into a more independent person, who's going to take his life and his future into his own hands from this point forward. It's also the point where Marcus finally sees his son for who he really is and who he's always been, and is driven to break out of prison to make amends with Johnny because of that realization.



** Johnny. Artistic and sweet, Johnny is torn between following his own dreams of becoming a singer and pleasing his father by becoming part of his criminal organization. When he tries to secretly do both, it lands his father and the entire gang in jail, and his father [[IHaveNoSon angrily disowns him when Johnny finally tells him what he really wants.]] After Buster's deceit is revealed, Johnny openly admits that the competition has ruined any chance he has of his father speaking to him ever again. [[spoiler: Luckily, his dad eventually comes around after seeing Johnny's stellar performance and escapes prison just to apologize to him.]]

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** Johnny. Artistic and sweet, Johnny is torn between following his own dreams of becoming a singer and pleasing his father by becoming part of his criminal organization. gang. When he tries to secretly do both, it eventually lands his father and the entire gang in jail, prison, and his father [[IHaveNoSon angrily disowns turns his back on him when Johnny finally tells him what he really wants.because of it.]] After Buster's deceit is revealed, Johnny openly admits that the competition has ruined any chance he has of his father ever speaking to him ever again. [[spoiler: Luckily, his dad eventually comes around after seeing Johnny's stellar performance and escapes from prison just to apologize to him.him. By the end of the film, Johnny now has all the freedom that he needs to become his own man and pursue his true passion, but he also has to accept the fact that he's probably going to be separated from his father and the rest of his clan for a long time as well while they're behind bars, so his subplot ultimately wraps up on a very bittersweet note.]]
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** Marcus' [[[[SatelliteCharacter two fellow bank robbers]], Stan and Barry, are decently well-liked, especially for how they watch Johnny's performance without holding a grudge for how he bailed on the robbery.

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** Marcus' [[[[SatelliteCharacter [[SatelliteCharacter two fellow bank robbers]], Stan and Barry, are decently well-liked, especially for how they watch Johnny's performance without holding a grudge for how he bailed on the robbery.
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** Was Marcus' rejection and IHaveNoSon moment with Johnny caused by a contempt towards singing as a career, anger at his son for choosing a different path than joining the gang, or was he more angry that Johnny abandoned his post at all and inadvertently got the gang imprisoned?

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** Was Marcus' rejection and IHaveNoSon moment with Johnny caused by a contempt towards singing as a career, anger at his son for choosing a different path than joining the gang, or was he more angry acting on impulse out of anger that Johnny abandoned his post at all and inadvertently got the gang imprisoned?

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