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* OnceOriginalNowOverdone: Pete Sandoval's drumming doesn't really stick out that much today, but his drumming paved the way for technical, blast beat-driven extreme speed drumming in metal. Tim Waterson, a drummer formerly recognized as being one of the fastest drummers ever described him this way in 2007: "There are a lot of guys faster now, but he's still one of the tightest when he plays."
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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Pete Sandoval's drumming doesn't really stick out that much today, but his drumming paved the way for technical, blast beat-driven extreme metal drumming in metal. Tim Waterson, a drummer formerly recognized as being one of the fastest drummers ever described him this way in 2007: "There are a lot of guys faster now, but he's still one of the tightest when he plays."
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* FaceOfTheBand: Trey Azagthoth or David Vincent. Pete Sandoval to a lesser extent.
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* GatewaySeries: As one of the most popular and respected bands in the genre, they are often one of the first bands newer death metal listeners (particularly ones into more old school genres like thrash) try to see if they like the genre along with other staples of early death metal like Music/{{Death}}, Music/CannibalCorpse and Music/{{Carcass}}.
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* SacredCow: ''Altars of Madness'' has grown into this, widely hailed as one of the finest albums in any genre of extreme music even after thirty years later. While almost all of their other albums are home to at least some minor criticisms, ''any'' criticism of ''Altars'' tends to not go well even in the wider metal fandom.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: ''Heretic'' was regarded as this when it was released due to its awful production, poor songwriting, and large amounts of filler. And even the few fans who like ''Heretic'' despise ''Illud'' for its ham-fisted attempts to be "eclectic" in its sound and David Vincent's inane lyrics.
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* DorkAge: ''Heretic'' was regarded as this when it was released due to its awful production, poor songwriting, and large amounts of filler. And even the few fans who like ''Heretic'' despise ''Illud'' for its ham-fisted attempts to be "eclectic" in its sound and David Vincent's inane lyrics.
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* DorkAge: ''Illud'', due to the industrial sound.
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* DorkAge: ''Illud'', ''Heretic'' was regarded as this when it was released due to its awful production, poor songwriting, and large amounts of filler. And even the industrial sound.few fans who like ''Heretic'' despise ''Illud'' for its ham-fisted attempts to be "eclectic" in its sound and David Vincent's inane lyrics.
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** ''Kingdoms Disdained''. Decent return to form, or a cynical cash-grab?
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About fans or critics praising it such audiences don't think it measures up. Not just disappointment.
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* HypeBacklash: Even if ''Illud'' had been a decent album, it would surely have faced this, as it was already the album that saw the long-awaited return of David Vincent. Had it not been for Music/{{Metallica}} and Creator/LouReed releasing their collaboration, the much reviled "Lulu", the same year, odds are that "Illud" would have been the worst album of the year for many metal fans.
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* BrokenBase: There's either no more albums after ''Covenant'', ''Domination'', ''Formulas Fatal to the Flesh''...
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* BrokenBase: For such a beloved band, there's a lot of divisive opinions:
** There's either no more albums after ''Covenant'', ''Domination'', ''Formulas Fatal to the Flesh''...
** There's either no more albums after ''Covenant'', ''Domination'', ''Formulas Fatal to the Flesh''...
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* DorkAge: ''Illud''.''Illud'', due to the industrial sound.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The elements of industrial music that were widely derided in ''Illud Divinium Insanus''? They were already present on ''Domination'', but in the background. While they were ''also'' present on ''Formulas''[[note]]and ''Heretic'', for that matter, although that's more because it combined all elements from their career[[/note]], the band's first album with Steve Tucker, they weren't expanded upon as much in comparison to ''Illud''; it's possible that had David Vincent stayed with the band, they could've gotten even ''worse''.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The elements of industrial music that were widely derided in ''Illud Divinium Insanus''? They were already present on ''Domination'', but in the background. While they were ''also'' present on ''Formulas''[[note]]and ''Heretic'', for that matter, although that's more because it combined all elements from their career[[/note]], the band's first album with Steve Tucker, they weren't expanded upon as much in comparison to ''Illud''; it's possible that had David Vincent stayed with the band, they could've gotten even ''worse''. By that point, David Vincent was burned out on death metal, and the fact that he quit to join his wife in Genitorturers was a pretty accurate reflection of what he was into at the time.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Tucker was this in his initial run, but the years have been kind to him and most fans at least like him; when it was announced that he was returning and Vincent was departing in 2015, the reaction was ''very'' positive. Myrhen and Yeung are straighter examples; some of it may be due to the fact that they played on ''Illud'', but most people just don't like them and view them as competent but boring. When they announced that they were leaving, few people lamented the news.
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* ReplacementScrappy: Tucker was this in his initial run, but the years have been kind to him and most fans at least like him; when it was announced that he was returning and Vincent was departing in 2015, the reaction was ''very'' positive. Myrhen and Yeung are straighter examples; some of it may be due to the fact that they played on ''Illud'', but most people just don't like them and view them as competent but boring. When they announced that they were leaving, few people lamented the news. Also played very straight with Vadim, who has had a great deal of difficulty with performing at the level required live.
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* StuckInTheirShadow: Could be said to be the case for Tim Yeung. He is an immensely skilled drummer in his own right and is also one of the biggest names in death metal drumming. Unfortunately for him, Pete Sandoval practically wrote the book on death metal drumming, and when you have to fill the shoes of someone with a legacy like Pete's, you're going to be overshadowed no matter what.
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* StuckInTheirShadow: Could be said to be the case for Tim Yeung. He is an immensely skilled drummer in his own right and is also one of the biggest names in death metal drumming. Unfortunately for him, Pete Sandoval practically wrote the book on death metal drumming, and when you have to fill the shoes of someone with a legacy like Pete's, you're going to be overshadowed no matter what. Surprisingly subverted with Scott Fuller, as he has been received rather well by the fanbase, and the general consensus seems to be that he's a far better fit than Yeung.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: The first song off ''Kingdoms Disdained'', for the most part was far better received that the ''Illud'' era, which was mostly panned.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: The first song off While no one has called ''Kingdoms Disdained'', for Disdained'' the most part was far better received greatest Morbid Angel album of all time and plenty of people wouldn't even call it the best Tucker album (most will point to ''Gateways''), the general consensus is that it is still a great comeback that, while maybe not exploring any particularly esoteric new territory, has done a substantial amount of work to repair the ''Illud'' era, which was mostly panned.damage done by ''Illud''.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: The elements of industrial music that were widely derided in ''Illud Divinium Insanus''? They were already present on ''Domination'', but in the background. While they were ''also'' present on ''Formulas''[[note]]and ''Heretic'', for that matter, although that's more because it combined all elements from their career[[/note]], the band's first album with Steve Tucker, they weren't expanded upon as much in comparison to ''Illud''; it's possible that had David Vincent stayed with the band, they could've gotten even ''worse''.
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* WinBackTheCrowd: The first song off ''Kingdoms Disdained'', for the most part was far better received that the ''Illud'' era, which was mostly panned.
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* FandomRivalry: Between Vincent and Tucker fans. Vincent fans see Tucker as an utterly generic and disposable frontman coasting off of Vincent's name and reputation who should have just declined the offer to rejoin in the 2010s and let the band die, while Tucker fans see Vincent as a washed-up joke with a ruined voice and a truly cringeworthy aesthetic and stage presence who is peddling a cover band because he was nothing without Trey and has to rely on the nostalgia dollar to get people to care about anything that he does on his own.
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* SignatureSong: "God of Emptiness" and "Immortal Rites".
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* SignatureSong: "God of Emptiness" and "Immortal Rites". "Ageless, Still I Am" is the signature Tucker-era song.
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* HypeBacklash: Even if ''Illud'' had been a decent album, it would surely have faced this, as it was already the album that saw the long-awaited return of David Vincent. Had it not been for Music/{{Metallica}} and Creator/LouReed releasing their collaboration, the much reviled "Lulu", the same year, odds are that "Illud" would have been the worst album of the year for many metal fans.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Given the overly positive reaction to the news that he was returning to the band, it appears that this has become the case for Steve Tucker.
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* VindicatedByHistory: Given In his initial run, fan opinions of Steve Tucker were lukewarm at best, and he left right as they were finally starting to warm up to him. After the overly positive reaction to the news disaster that he was returning to ''Illud'', the band, it appears fanbase's opinion of David Vincent steadily went south, and by the time that this has Vincent left again in 2015, people had been calling for Tucker to return for some time. Popular opinion of the Tucker-era albums had become far more favorable as well; many fans had even started to call ''Gateways'' one of their best albums, and even ''Heretic'' was rediscovered as an album that had some truly great songs in between the case for Steve Tucker.filler.
