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* ValuesDissonance: The (ostensibly) evil, bigoted Mayor is [[AngryWhiteMan a fat, middle-aged white guy]]. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.
** In the episode of the Stephen King podcast ''The Kingcast'' discussing this short, the hosts discuss how this actually applies more to the making-of material in that Jackson keeps bringing up the fact that the Mayor's overweight and invariably yokes it to him being a disgusting person ("I play the fat, grotesque, ridiculous Mayor"), carrying the unfortunate implication that Jackson was fatphobic.

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* ValuesDissonance: SpiritualSuccessor: To ''[[Music/MichaelJacksonsThriller Thriller]]'', of course.
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The (ostensibly) evil, bigoted Mayor is [[AngryWhiteMan a fat, middle-aged white guy]]. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.
** In the episode of the Stephen King Creator/StephenKing podcast ''The Kingcast'' discussing this short, the hosts discuss how this actually applies more to the making-of material in that Jackson keeps bringing up the fact that the Mayor's overweight and invariably yokes it to him being a disgusting person ("I play the fat, grotesque, ridiculous Mayor"), carrying the unfortunate implication that Jackson was fatphobic.
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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The (ostensibly) evil, bigoted Mayor is [[AngryWhiteMan a fat, middle-aged white guy]]. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.
* AcceptableHardLuckTargets: Overweight/obese people, again represented by the Mayor. In the episode of the Stephen King podcast ''The Kingcast'' discussing this short, the hosts discuss how this actually applies more to the making-of material in that Jackson keeps bringing up the fact that the Mayor's overweight and invariably yokes it to him being a disgusting person ("I play the fat, grotesque, ridiculous Mayor"), carrying the unfortunate implication that Jackson was fatphobic.


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* ValuesDissonance: The (ostensibly) evil, bigoted Mayor is [[AngryWhiteMan a fat, middle-aged white guy]]. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.
** In the episode of the Stephen King podcast ''The Kingcast'' discussing this short, the hosts discuss how this actually applies more to the making-of material in that Jackson keeps bringing up the fact that the Mayor's overweight and invariably yokes it to him being a disgusting person ("I play the fat, grotesque, ridiculous Mayor"), carrying the unfortunate implication that Jackson was fatphobic.
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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The (ostensibly) evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.

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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The (ostensibly) evil, bigoted Mayor is [[AngryWhiteMan a fat, middle-aged white guy.guy]]. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.
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Uncanny Valley is IUEO now and the subjective version has been split; cleaning up misuse and ZCE in the process


* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Near the end, after [[spoiler: the Mayor defeated Maestro, he goes to the front of the door only to be greeted by a [[UncannyValley monstrous Maestro face]], who simply shouts "''''HELLLO!!!!'''" in such a goofy manner]].

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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Near the end, after [[spoiler: the Mayor defeated Maestro, he goes to the front of the door only to be greeted by a [[UncannyValley monstrous Maestro face]], face, who simply shouts "''''HELLLO!!!!'''" in such a goofy manner]].
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* {{Glurge}}: Due to the implications of the premise and how they're played out. In particular, its use of BlackAndWhiteMorality becomes suspect when one considers the RealitySubtext: Apparently, if you do not take a person accused of ''molesting a child'' at their word -- that letting unrelated children sleep in their bed is totally innocent -- and instead try to take the accusations against them to court, you're a black-hearted villain who can't accept people who are "different".
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* AcceptableHardLuckTargets: Overweight/obese people, again represented by the Mayor. In the episode of the Stephen King podcast ''The Kingcast'' discussing this short, the hosts discuss how this actually applies more to the making-of material in that Jackson keeps bringing up the fact that the Mayor's overweight and invariably yokes it to him being "disgusting" and bad as well, carrying the unfortunate implication that Jackson was fatphobic.

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* AcceptableHardLuckTargets: Overweight/obese people, again represented by the Mayor. In the episode of the Stephen King podcast ''The Kingcast'' discussing this short, the hosts discuss how this actually applies more to the making-of material in that Jackson keeps bringing up the fact that the Mayor's overweight and invariably yokes it to him being "disgusting" and bad as well, a disgusting person ("I play the fat, grotesque, ridiculous Mayor"), carrying the unfortunate implication that Jackson was fatphobic.

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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.

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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The (ostensibly) evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.FatSuit.
* AcceptableHardLuckTargets: Overweight/obese people, again represented by the Mayor. In the episode of the Stephen King podcast ''The Kingcast'' discussing this short, the hosts discuss how this actually applies more to the making-of material in that Jackson keeps bringing up the fact that the Mayor's overweight and invariably yokes it to him being "disgusting" and bad as well, carrying the unfortunate implication that Jackson was fatphobic.

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Near the end, after [[spoiler: the Mayor defeated Maestro, he goes to the front of the door only to be greeted by a [[UncannyValley monstrous Maestro face]], who simply shouts "''''HELLLO!!!!'''" in such a goofy manner]].
* DesignatedHero: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Near the end, after [[spoiler: the Mayor defeated Maestro, he goes to the front of the door only to be greeted by a [[UncannyValley monstrous Maestro face]], who simply shouts "''''HELLLO!!!!'''" in such a goofy manner]].
* DesignatedHero: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.suit.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: Near the end, after [[spoiler: the Mayor defeated Maestro, he goes to the front of the door only to be greeted by a [[UncannyValley monstrous Maestro face]], who simply shouts "''''HELLLO!!!!'''" in such a goofy manner]].
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* JerkSue: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.

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* JerkSue: DesignatedHero: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.
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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: As it's a transparent allegory for Jackson's first child molestation scandal, Creator/NathanRabin joked in a My Year of Flops review that it's challenging the audience with the question "Why must we judge people just because they’re eccentric, look weird, or like to sleep in the same bed as pre-pubescent boys they aren’t related to?" It is, however worth noting that no evidence pointing to Jackson's guilt was ever found, despite thorough investigation by the FBI. Diane Diamond, in her book ''Be Careful Who You Love'', suspects that this short was initially buried by Sony in North America because of this premise; it wasn't widely screened there until 2001. And after Jackson was accused of molestation ''again'', it became a case of KeepCirculatingTheTapes that, Rabin also noted, even [[DeadArtistsAreBetter Jackson's death hasn't undone]] -- suggesting that it's now regarded as OldShame by his estate.
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* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out. In particular, its use of BlackAndWhiteMorality becomes suspect when one considers the RealitySubtext: Apparently, if you do not take a person accused of ''molesting a child'' at their word -- that letting unrelated children sleep in their bed is totally innocent -- and instead try to take the accusations against them to court, you're a black-hearted villain who can't accept people who are "different".
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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Creator/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.

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* AcceptableEthnicTargets: The evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Creator/MichaelJackson Music/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Near the end, after [[spoiler: the Mayor defeated Maestro, he goes to the front of the door only to be greeted by a [[UncannyValley monstrous Maestro face]], who simply shouts "''''HELLLO!!!!'''" in such a goofy manner]].
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* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out. In particular, its use of BlackAndWhiteMorality becomes suspect when one considers the RealitySubtext: Apparently, if you do not take a person accused of ''molesting a child'' at their word -- that letting unrelated children sleep in their is totally innocent -- and instead try to take the accusations against them to court, you're a black-hearted villain who can't accept people who are "different".

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* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out. In particular, its use of BlackAndWhiteMorality becomes suspect when one considers the RealitySubtext: Apparently, if you do not take a person accused of ''molesting a child'' at their word -- that letting unrelated children sleep in their bed is totally innocent -- and instead try to take the accusations against them to court, you're a black-hearted villain who can't accept people who are "different".

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: As it's a transparent allegory for Jackson's first child molestation scandal, Creator/NathanRabin joked in a My Year of Flops review that it's challenging the audience with the question "Why must we judge people just because they’re eccentric, look weird, or like to sleep in the same bed as pre-pubescent boys they aren’t related to?" Diane Diamond, in her book ''Be Careful Who You Love'', suspects that this short was initially buried by Sony in North America because of this premise; it wasn't widely screened there until 2001. And after Jackson was accused of molestation ''again'', it became a case of KeepCirculatingTheTapes that, Rabin also noted, even [[DeadArtistsAreBetter Jackson's death hasn't undone]] -- suggesting that it's now regarded as OldShame by his estate.
* BrokenAesop: It's supposed to be TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside, but [[BeautyEqualsGoodness the Mayor's unattractiveness is equated with evil]] while the Maestro himself ''isn't'' beautiful on the inside given his cruel actions. If anything, the Mayor didn't realize how right he was to suspect him of being up to no good...
* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out. In particular, its use of BlackAndWhiteMorality becomes suspect when one considers the RealitySubtext: Apparently, if you do not take a person accused of ''molesting a child'' at their word -- that their sharing the same bed with unrelated children is totally innocent -- and instead try to take the accusations against them to court, you're a black-hearted villain who can't accept people who are "different".
* JerkSue: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses and magically tortures the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.

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* AudienceAlienatingPremise: As it's a transparent allegory for Jackson's first child molestation scandal, Creator/NathanRabin joked in a My Year of Flops review that it's challenging the audience with the question "Why must we judge people just because they’re eccentric, look weird, or like to sleep in the same bed as pre-pubescent boys they aren’t related to?" It is, however worth noting that no evidence pointing to Jackson's guilt was ever found, despite thorough investigation by the FBI. Diane Diamond, in her book ''Be Careful Who You Love'', suspects that this short was initially buried by Sony in North America because of this premise; it wasn't widely screened there until 2001. And after Jackson was accused of molestation ''again'', it became a case of KeepCirculatingTheTapes that, Rabin also noted, even [[DeadArtistsAreBetter Jackson's death hasn't undone]] -- suggesting that it's now regarded as OldShame by his estate.
* BrokenAesop: It's supposed to be TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside, but [[BeautyEqualsGoodness the Mayor's unattractiveness is equated with evil]] while the Maestro himself ''isn't'' beautiful on the inside given his cruel actions. If anything, the Mayor didn't realize how right he was to suspect him of being up to no good...
* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out. In particular, its use of BlackAndWhiteMorality becomes suspect when one considers the RealitySubtext: Apparently, if you do not take a person accused of ''molesting a child'' at their word -- that their sharing the same bed with letting unrelated children sleep in their is totally innocent -- and instead try to take the accusations against them to court, you're a black-hearted villain who can't accept people who are "different".
* JerkSue: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses and magically tortures the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.
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* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out.

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* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out. In particular, its use of BlackAndWhiteMorality becomes suspect when one considers the RealitySubtext: Apparently, if you do not take a person accused of ''molesting a child'' at their word -- that their sharing the same bed with unrelated children is totally innocent -- and instead try to take the accusations against them to court, you're a black-hearted villain who can't accept people who are "different".
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* BrokenAesop: It's supposed to be TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside, but the Mayor's unattractiveness is equated with evil while the Maestro himself ''isn't'' beautiful on the inside given his cruel actions. If anything, the Mayor didn't realize how right he was to suspect him of being up to no good...

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* BrokenAesop: It's supposed to be TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside, but [[BeautyEqualsGoodness the Mayor's unattractiveness is equated with evil evil]] while the Maestro himself ''isn't'' beautiful on the inside given his cruel actions. If anything, the Mayor didn't realize how right he was to suspect him of being up to no good...
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* BrokenAesop: It's supposed to be TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside, but the Mayor's unattractiveness is equated with evil while the Maestro himself ''isn't'' beautiful on the inside given his cruel actions. If anything, the Mayor didn't realize how right he was to suspect him of being up to no good...
* {{Glurge}}: Due to the UnfortunateImplications of the premise and how they're played out.

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* AcceptibleEthnicTargets: The evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy.
* JerkSue: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses and magically tortures the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.

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* AcceptibleEthnicTargets: AcceptableEthnicTargets: The evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy.
guy. It doesn't help that he isn't even ''played'' by one, but rather by Creator/MichaelJackson in a FatSuit.
* AudienceAlienatingPremise: As it's a transparent allegory for Jackson's first child molestation scandal, Creator/NathanRabin joked in a My Year of Flops review that it's challenging the audience with the question "Why must we judge people just because they’re eccentric, look weird, or like to sleep in the same bed as pre-pubescent boys they aren’t related to?" Diane Diamond, in her book ''Be Careful Who You Love'', suspects that this short was initially buried by Sony in North America because of this premise; it wasn't widely screened there until 2001. And after Jackson was accused of molestation ''again'', it became a case of KeepCirculatingTheTapes that, Rabin also noted, even [[DeadArtistsAreBetter Jackson's death hasn't undone]] -- suggesting that it's now regarded as OldShame by his estate.
* JerkSue: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses and magically tortures the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.
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* AcceptibleEthnicTargets: The evil, bigoted Mayor is a fat, middle-aged white guy.
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*JerkSue: Maestro. Even if he ''is'' defending himself -- the Mayor and mob don't exactly get a chance to make good on their threats -- he holds the whole group captive and with the help of his minions terrifies and emotionally manipulates them for a goodly length of time. He also possesses and magically tortures the Mayor, ultimately driving him to what might be his death, but the other characters ''love'' him for all of this and the viewer is supposed to follow suit.

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