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* FanNickname: One of the options for a male Exile has shoulder-length sandy hair and a full beard. This inevitably led fans to dub this character model "[[LooksLikeJesus Jedi Jesus]]".

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One of the options for a male Exile has shoulder-length sandy hair and a full beard. This inevitably led fans to dub this character model "[[LooksLikeJesus Jedi Jesus]]".Jesus]]".
** Darth Karen: Kreia, for her difficult-to-please persona and name almost being a anagram for the now-infamous meme name.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kreia is an incredibly divisive figure. Either one finds her long, disdainful monologues about the nature of the Force and Revan's past to be a fascinating highlight of the game, or one finds that same tendency ''incredibly'' annoying and pedantic. Seeing as Kreia is the main source of exposition, the most prominent NPC and [[spoiler:the BigBad herself]], whether one enjoys this game or not often depends heavily on how much one enjoys Kreia.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kreia is an incredibly divisive figure. Either one finds her long, disdainful iconoclastic monologues about the nature of the Force and Revan's past to be a fascinating highlight of the game, or one finds that same tendency ''incredibly'' annoying and pedantic. Seeing as Kreia is the main source of exposition, the most prominent NPC and [[spoiler:the BigBad herself]], whether one enjoys this game or not often depends heavily on how much one enjoys Kreia.
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* ComeForTheGameStayForTheMods: The game is infamous for the large amount of cut content as it was ChristmasRushed, and the Restored Content Mod does the game justice by restoring what would have been in the commercial product. This was helped by the Steam Workshop making the Restored Content Mod accessible.
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* RootingForTheEmpire: It's a hot topic of debate as to if Kreia may have been right. If she miscalculated, it could have destroyed life in the galaxy and turned any possible survivor into something like the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan]] [[HumanoidAbomination Vong]]. If she was right, however, then defeating her doomed the galaxy to being controlled by TheForce, forever allowing the galaxy to use it as a crutch and for new generations of Jedi and Sith to set fire to the galaxy using its power.

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* RootingForTheEmpire: It's a hot topic of debate as to if Kreia may have been right. If she miscalculated, it could have destroyed life in the galaxy and turned any possible survivor into something like the [[Literature/NewJediOrder Yuuzhan]] [[HumanoidAbomination Vong]]. If she was right, however, then defeating her doomed the galaxy to being controlled by TheForce, the Force, forever allowing the galaxy to use it as a crutch and for new generations of Jedi and Sith to set fire to the galaxy using its power.
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Vindicated By History just means that it has come to be regarded as a classic by some of the people who once disliked it. Some, by no means all. It does remain controversial, but this is the YMMV page. Differing opinions are to be expected and the reasons it was disliked are also still on the page.

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* VindicatedByHistory:
** Despite favorable sales and reviews, the game was infamously divisive among fans for being a gigantic DeconstructorFleet, which challenged just about every part of ''Star Wars'' and even [[GenreDeconstruction role-playing games as a genre]]. It didn't help that it was incredibly rushed in order to meet a holiday release date, with numerous bugs and about ''a third of the game'' cut out in order to meet the release. That said, its fanbase remains solid and has continued to grow over the years, with a reputation helped by its unique perspective and narrative which challenged the perceived nature of the Force and endless cycle of war between the Jedi and Sith. The fan-created ''The Sith Lords Restoration Mod'', which restores basically all of the game's missing content, also converted a few fans whose issues had more to do with is bugginess and the sparseness resulting from its short development cycle. The game has since been picked up by Steam, with full mod support.
** Peragus has undergone some critical reevaluation, and while some still dislike it, there are people who find it a genuinely strong opening for its horror vibes and largely prefer it over [[MarathonLevel Telos]]. In both camps, it at least tends to be compared favorably to [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Taris]].
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"vindicated by history"? Really? No it was not, it remains controversial and for very good reason. Come on guys.


* VindicatedByHistory:
** Despite favorable sales and reviews, the game was infamously divisive among fans for being a gigantic DeconstructorFleet, which challenged just about every part of ''Star Wars'' and even [[GenreDeconstruction role-playing games as a genre]]. It didn't help that it was incredibly rushed in order to meet a holiday release date, with numerous bugs and about ''a third of the game'' cut out in order to meet the release. Years later, fans would come to love the game for its unique perspective and narrative which challenged the perceived nature of the Force and the ever fighting Jedi and Sith. Its reputation is further helped by ''The Sith Lords Restoration Mod'', which restores basically all of the game's missing content. The game has since been picked up by Steam, with full mod support, bringing it to the attention of many new players.
** Peragus has undergone some critical reevaluation, and while some still dislike it, there are people who find it a genuinely strong opening for its horror vibes and largely prefer it over [[MarathonLevel Telos]]. In both camps, it at least tends to be compared favorably to [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Taris]].
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** On Nar Shaddaa, saving the refugee by [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential mind controlling thugs into jumping to the ideaths]] is a dark side action... yet several companions get ''light side approval'' from this as the game only recognises that you saved the refugee and not how you did so. This only serves to make an already funny moment [[CrossesTheLineTwice even more so]].

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** On Nar Shaddaa, saving the refugee by [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential mind controlling thugs into jumping to the ideaths]] their deaths]] is a dark side action... yet several companions get ''light side approval'' from this as the game only recognises that you saved the refugee and not how you did so. This only serves to make an already funny moment [[CrossesTheLineTwice even more so]].
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** On Nar Shaddaa, saving the refugee by [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential mind controlling thugs into jumping to the ideaths]] is a dark side action... yet several companions get ''light side approval'' from this as the game only recognises "You saved the refugee". This only serves to make an already funny moment [[CrossesTheLineTwice even more so]].

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** On Nar Shaddaa, saving the refugee by [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential mind controlling thugs into jumping to the ideaths]] is a dark side action... yet several companions get ''light side approval'' from this as the game only recognises "You that you saved the refugee".refugee and not how you did so. This only serves to make an already funny moment [[CrossesTheLineTwice even more so]].



** G0-T0 is basically a dark-sided T3-M4 with an aggravating personality and useless in battle. His unique perk which lets him distract or convert droids has [[UselessUsefulSpell very limited use]] especially when you've had to clear one of the most droid-dense levels before he joins.

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** G0-T0 is basically a dark-sided T3-M4 with an aggravating personality and useless in battle. His unique perk which lets him distract or convert droids has [[UselessUsefulSpell very limited use]] especially when you've had to clear one use]], since the ''vast'' majority of the most droid-dense levels droids you have to deal with in the game are on Nar Shaddaa and thus dealt with before he joins.



** The Disciple's [[SarcasmBlind Sarcasm Blindness]] during one scene, and being a "Jedi fanboy". Fandom forgets that he actually ''figured out'' Revan's strategy [[spoiler:before Kreia forces him to forget]] and the fact that he is clearly very bitter about the Jedi; there's even a dialogue option for "what's your problem with the Jedi?" and he has a lengthy spiel about how they're often arrogant and their teachings are fundamentally flawed. Yes, his behavior towards the Exile can be a little fawning, but keep in mind that she's the one who the Jedi ''kicked out of the order''. Fan works tend to portray him as a naive and nerdy doofus because of this.

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** The Disciple's [[SarcasmBlind Sarcasm Blindness]] {{Sarcasm Blind}}ness during one scene, and being a "Jedi fanboy". Fandom forgets that he actually ''figured out'' Revan's strategy [[spoiler:before Kreia forces him to forget]] and the fact that he is clearly very bitter about the Jedi; there's even a dialogue option for "what's your problem with the Jedi?" and he has a lengthy spiel about how they're often arrogant and their teachings are fundamentally flawed. Yes, his behavior towards the Exile can be a little fawning, but keep in mind that she's the one who the Jedi ''kicked out of the order''. Fan works tend to portray him as a naive and nerdy doofus because of this. Much of this may be the result of players preferring to play as a male Exile, who [[MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers get to recruit the Handmaiden instead of him]], where you only have one (albeit fairly lengthy) interaction with the Disciple where, because you don't get to push deeper and figure out his real feelings, he does come off closer to being a Jedi sycophant, including lines where he entertains the notion that the Jedi don't always do the right thing but brushes it off because they're "probably" doing it for the greater good.



** The Sith holocrons in [[spoiler: Atris' sanctuary]] would have been scary if they didn't sound like pissed-off germans.

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** The Sith holocrons in [[spoiler: Atris' sanctuary]] would have been scary if they didn't sound like pissed-off germans.Germans.



* PortingDisaster: The Switch version is prone to crashing and launched with a GameBreakingBug that crashes the game upon reaching Onderon. The latter was eventually fixed.

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* PortingDisaster: The Switch version is prone to crashing and launched with crashing, including a GameBreakingBug that crashes the game guaranteed a crash upon reaching Onderon. The latter Onderon (which was eventually fixed.fixed), and was advertised as getting the Restored Content mod as free DLC before that was unceremoniously cancelled.



** On the return to Dxun as Onderon's civil war peaks, you have to deploy a second squad to investigate Freedon Nadd's tomb while the Exile has to go to Onderon with their own squad. You get full control over which party member (barring Kreia) goes to the tomb, but it can really bite you in the back if you've been neglecting your companions' gear.
** One segment of Malachor V puts you in control of [=Bao-Dur's=] remote with the task of finding four consoles to reactivate the mass shadow generator. The experience comes in two flavors: it's either a boring backtrack through the planet surface that you've already cleared out as the Exile, or a potentially frantic stealth mission since the remote has next to no means to defend itself.

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** On the return to Dxun as Onderon's civil war peaks, you have to deploy a second squad to investigate Freedon Nadd's tomb while the Exile has to go to Onderon with their own squad. You get full control over which party member members go to the tomb (barring Kreia) goes Kreia, who has to go with the tomb, Exile), but it can really bite you in the back if you've been neglecting your companions' gear.
** One segment of Malachor V puts you in control of [=Bao-Dur's=] remote with the task of finding four consoles to reactivate the mass shadow generator. The experience comes in two flavors: it's either a boring backtrack through the planet surface that you've already cleared out as the Exile, or a potentially frantic and possibly-[[UnintentionallyUnwinnable unwinnable]] stealth mission since the remote has next to no means to defend itself.itself against any storm beasts you might have missed the first time through.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Based on what we see of her in the flashback to Meetra Surik’s trial, Jedi Master Lonna Vash is one of the kindest Jedi Masters, on par with [[NiceGuy Kavar]] or perhaps even moreso. She is on the list of Jedi Masters that need to be found, and probably would have been a breath of fresh air to encounter when you have people like [[{{Jerkass}} Vrook]] and [[KnightTemplar Atris]] on the list. Unfortunately, due to her planet M4-78 getting cut from the game due to time constraints, Obsidian moved her to Korriban and had her get killed immediately without any scenes beyond the flashback.]] Definitely one of the biggest losses that the [[ChristmasRushed Christmas Rush]] caused.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: [[spoiler:Based on what we see of her in the flashback to Meetra Surik’s trial, Jedi Master Lonna Vash is one of the kindest Jedi Masters, on par with [[NiceGuy Kavar]] or perhaps even moreso. She is on the list of Jedi Masters that need to be found, and probably would have been a breath of fresh air to encounter when you have people like [[{{Jerkass}} Vrook]] and [[KnightTemplar Atris]] on the list. Unfortunately, due to her planet M4-78 getting cut from the game due to time constraints, Obsidian moved her to Korriban and had her get killed immediately offscreen, without any scenes beyond the flashback.]] Definitely one of the biggest losses that the [[ChristmasRushed Christmas Rush]] caused.
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* CommonKnowledge: It was commonly stated that Avellone ''hated'' Star Wars (or [=BioWare=]) and wrote KOTOR 2 the way he did as a TakeThat. This actually wasn't true - [=BioWare=] ''chose'' Obsidian specifically to follow up on the first game due to a mixture of them feeling Obsidian would be able to do it justice as well as the tight development schedule set by [=LucasArts=]. Avellone didn't hate Star Wars - he was relatively unfamiliar with the expanded universe and engrossed himself feeling that he wanted to give the characters more depth to them.

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* CommonKnowledge: It was commonly stated that Avellone ''hated'' Star Wars (or [=BioWare=]) and wrote KOTOR 2 the way he did as a TakeThat. This actually wasn't true - [=BioWare=] ''chose'' Obsidian specifically to follow up on the first game due to a mixture of them feeling Obsidian would be able to do it justice as well as the tight development schedule set by [=LucasArts=]. Avellone didn't hate Star Wars - he was relatively unfamiliar with the expanded universe and engrossed himself feeling that he wanted to give the characters more depth to them. To wit, it is known that he did a deep dive into available ''Star Wars'' Expanded Universe material at the time, and even the small references and MythologyGag moments show how much he got from it.
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* ValuesResonance: Hamfisted and as they might be, there is little doubt that Kreia's ideas about self-criticize and opposing blind dogmatism are especially relevant in the increasingly polarized political climate of TheNewTens onwards.
--> '''Kreia:''' To believe in an ideal, is to be willing to betray it.
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** On Nar Shaddaa, saving the refugee by [[VideoGameCrueltyPotential mind controlling thugs into jumping to the ideaths]] is a dark side action... yet several companions get ''light side approval'' from this as the game only recognises "You saved the refugee". This only serves to make an already funny moment [[CrossesTheLineTwice even more so]].
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**The last Mandalorian challenger you fight in the on Dxun, Bralor, will allow you to use whatever weapons you want as well as your force powers while he challenges you using only his [[BareFistedMonk fists]]. While Bralor is the best hand to hand fighter you'll face in the Battle Circle, none of that will stand a chance against a jedi's force powers and/or a lightsaber if you have constructed one by this point. Assuming you don't [[HonorBeforeReason decide to meet his challenge also only using hand to hand with no powers,]] you'll probably blow through him with ease compared to the other challenges who are considered "weaker".

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