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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A fair amount of reviewers and blog posts have noted that Harriet shows behaviors of being autistic, especially in the book. She has a strict self-imposed routine, such as her having cake and milk at 3:40 every day (with a note stating she "loved doing everything every day in the same way"), 'samefooding'[[labelnote:Note]] a tendency for people with sensory sensitivities, including autism, to resort to one or a few specific foods for a long time without getting tired of it, due to the familiarity or comfort [[/labelnote]] with tomato sandwiches, being very blunt, struggling to understand the social cues of her classmates, and interpreting things literally (when the other students start writing cruel notes for her to read, the first one saying that she stinks, she immediately tries to check if she really does smell bad). This has gone as far as a [[http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.24119.70561 scholarly thesis and analysis by the professor Lisa Krajecki]] arguing against the book's censorship.

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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A fair amount of reviewers and blog posts have noted that Harriet shows behaviors of being autistic, especially in the book. She has a strict self-imposed routine, such as her having cake and milk at 3:40 every day (with a note stating she "loved doing everything every day in the same way"), 'samefooding'[[labelnote:Note]] a tendency for people with sensory sensitivities, including autism, to resort to one or a few specific foods for a long time without getting tired of it, due to the familiarity or comfort [[/labelnote]] with tomato sandwiches, being very blunt, struggling to understand the social cues of her classmates, and interpreting things literally (when the other students start writing cruel notes for her to read, the first one saying that she stinks, she immediately tries to check if she really does smell bad). This has gone as far as a [[http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.24119.70561 scholarly thesis and analysis by the assistant professor Lisa Krajecki]] arguing against the book's censorship.
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* DiagnosedByTheAudience: A fair amount of reviewers and blog posts have noted that Harriet shows behaviors of being autistic, especially in the book. She has a strict self-imposed routine, such as her having cake and milk at 3:40 every day (with a note stating she "loved doing everything every day in the same way"), 'samefooding'[[labelnote:Note]] a tendency for people with sensory sensitivities, including autism, to resort to one or a few specific foods for a long time without getting tired of it, due to the familiarity or comfort [[/labelnote]] with tomato sandwiches, being very blunt, struggling to understand the social cues of her classmates, and interpreting things literally (when the other students start writing cruel notes for her to read, the first one saying that she stinks, she immediately tries to check if she really does smell bad). This has gone as far as a [[http://dx.doi.org/10.13140/RG.2.2.24119.70561 scholarly thesis and analysis by the professor Lisa Krajecki]] arguing against the book's censorship.

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** Remember all you little 11-year-olds, never anger your teacher. Or she'll use your fellow students to torment and abuse you!
*** Fitzhugh may well have been aware that bullying was sanctioned by many educators who felt it was beneficial to make children who were "different" conform to "social norms". There were actually articles in the NEA Journal encouraging teachers to do exactly what Miss Elson did.

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** Remember all you little 11-year-olds, never anger your teacher. Or she'll use your fellow students to torment and abuse you!
*** Fitzhugh may well have been aware that bullying was sanctioned by many educators who felt it was beneficial to make children who were "different" conform to "social norms". There were actually articles in the NEA Journal encouraging teachers to do exactly what Miss Elson did.
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** The animated series works around this by being an ''intentional'' period piece, albeit one with some mild modernized elements such as selfies, and the use of a pocket radio as if it were an [=iPod=]. [[note]]Pocket radios ''were'' the iPods of that generation. Tiny boxes with (usually) single earbuds, they were extremely affordable, and indispensable to Top 40 fans.[[/note]]

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** The animated series works around this by being an ''intentional'' period piece, albeit one with some mild modernized elements such as selfies, and the use of a pocket radio as if it were an [=iPod=]. [[note]]Pocket radios ''were'' [[AluminumChristmasTrees the iPods of that generation.generation]]. Tiny boxes with (usually) single earbuds, they were extremely affordable, and indispensable to Top 40 fans.[[/note]]
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** The animated series works around this by being an ''intentional'' period piece, albeit one with some mild modernized elements such as selfies, and the use of a pocket radio as if it were an [=iPod=].

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** The animated series works around this by being an ''intentional'' period piece, albeit one with some mild modernized elements such as selfies, and the use of a pocket radio as if it were an [=iPod=]. [[note]]Pocket radios ''were'' the iPods of that generation. Tiny boxes with (usually) single earbuds, they were extremely affordable, and indispensable to Top 40 fans.[[/note]]

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* TheWoobie: Beth Ellen Hansen, even more so in ''The Long Secret.'' Her mother flits around Europe, and when her grandmother announces that she's coming back, Beth Ellen doesn't know what to feel. She hasn't seen her mom since she was five and never knew her father, who left before she was born. Her mother's abandonment and her grandmother's stodgy (though well-meaning) care seem to have taught her that she should not feel or want anything, which [[ItsAllAboutMe causes Harriet continual frustration]] that Beth Ellen never seems to think of anything.
** The key word being ''[[HiddenDepths seems]]''.

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* TheWoobie: Beth Ellen Hansen, even more so in ''The Long Secret.'' Her mother flits around Europe, and when her grandmother announces that she's coming back, Beth Ellen doesn't know what to feel. She hasn't seen her mom since she was five and never knew her father, who left before she was born. Her mother's abandonment and her grandmother's stodgy (though well-meaning) care seem to have taught her that she should not feel or want anything, which [[ItsAllAboutMe causes Harriet continual frustration]] that Beth Ellen never seems to think of anything.
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anything. The key word being ''[[HiddenDepths seems]]''.
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** The animated series works around this by being an ''intentional'' period piece.

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** The animated series works around this by being an ''intentional'' period piece.piece, albeit one with some mild modernized elements such as selfies, and the use of a pocket radio as if it were an [=iPod=].
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* HilariousInHindsight: Harriet having a specific journal dedicated to writing down things she dislikes about her classmates. [[Film/MeanGirls Sound familiar?]]

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* HilariousInHindsight: Harriet having has a specific journal dedicated to writing down things she dislikes about her classmates. [[Film/MeanGirls Sound familiar?]]familiar]]?
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*HilariousInHindsight: Harriet having a specific journal dedicated to writing down things she dislikes about her classmates. [[Film/MeanGirls Sound familiar?]]

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** The film focusing on Carrie Andrews's [[BuxomBeautyStandard ample bustline]] with her male classmates being interested in her physique would be harder to play in 2020 with social media and people being conscious of the dangers of sexualizing young women, especially girls who develop earlier than their peers.

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** The film focusing on Carrie Andrews's [[BuxomBeautyStandard ample bustline]] with her male classmates being interested in her physique would be harder to play in 2020 today with social media and people being conscious of the dangers of sexualizing young women, especially girls who develop earlier than their peers.



** When Ole Golly manages to convince Harriet to take dancing lessons by telling her that dancing is a crucial skill for spies like UsefulNotes/MataHari, Harriet claims that spies are also required to learn skills like languages and martial arts, but Ole Golly dismissively responds, "That's '''boy spies''', Harriet. You're not thinking." Considering all the developments in feminism since 1964, the remark seems a bit less innocent today.
** Let alone the fact that she could have cited Film/JamesBond as a boy spy who was an accomplished dancer.

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** When Ole Golly manages to convince Harriet to take dancing lessons by telling her that dancing is a crucial skill for spies like UsefulNotes/MataHari, Harriet claims that spies are also required to learn skills like languages and martial arts, but Ole Golly dismissively responds, "That's '''boy spies''', Harriet. You're not thinking." Considering all the developments in feminism since 1964, the remark seems a bit less innocent today.
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* HilariousInHindsight:
** There is a manipulative teenage girl antagonist who is skilled at ruining someone's life from the inside out. [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyTrialsAndTribulations Her last name is Hawthorne.]]
** In the movie, Marion and Sport's actors would later play cops in the series ''Series/RookieBlue''.
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** The animated series works around this by being an ''intentional'' period piece.
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** Likewise, Harriet lashes out when her parents confiscate the notebook after they learn she hasn't been doing any schoolwork. When she gets home after the frog prank, her mother suffers LaserGuidedKarma for showing NoSympathy about the fiasco; she had to spend her morning at school on finding out that Harriet probably got suspended for cutting Laura Peters's hair and putting the frog in Marion's desk, and then the cook threatens to quit after Harriet deliberately ruins her cake by making a lot of noise. Mrs. Welch seems to think that it's an inconvenience to ''her'' rather than her daughter hitting a RageBreakingPoint. Harriet refuses to speak to her. When Mr. Welch tries talking to Harriet, her response is to throw a shoe at his face for his NoSympathy. This gives them the memo that their heavy-handed ToughLove of confiscating the notebook didn't work; the next day, they take her to a child psychologist to actually figure out what the real problem is, and he says that he needs writing as her outlet. This convinces them to talk with the principal about a third option: making Harriet editor of the school newspaper.

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** Likewise, Harriet lashes out when her parents confiscate the notebook after they learn she hasn't been doing any schoolwork. When she gets home after the frog prank, her mother suffers LaserGuidedKarma for showing NoSympathy about the fiasco; she had to spend her morning at school on finding out that Harriet probably got suspended for cutting Laura Peters's hair and putting the frog in Marion's desk, and then the cook threatens to quit after Harriet deliberately ruins her cake by making a lot of noise. Mrs. Welch seems to think that it's an inconvenience to ''her'' rather than her daughter hitting a RageBreakingPoint. Harriet refuses to speak to her. When Mr. Welch tries talking to Harriet, her response is to throw a shoe at his face for his NoSympathy. This gives them the memo that their heavy-handed ToughLove of confiscating the notebook didn't work; the next day, they take her to a child psychologist to actually figure out what the real problem is, and he says that he she needs writing as her outlet. This convinces them to talk with the principal about a third option: making Harriet editor of the school newspaper.
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** Sport would [[Film/SmallSoldiers fight sentient toy soldiers]] the next year, and be [[Film/ThePatriot Mel Gibson's son in the American War of Independence]].

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** Sport would [[Film/SmallSoldiers fight sentient toy soldiers]] the next year, and be [[Film/ThePatriot [[Film/ThePatriot2000 Mel Gibson's son in the American War of Independence]].
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The word "fink" has been used this way since at least the late 19th century. Either Harriet's parents were lying to her, or it's being used in place of "fuck" in this context.


** Despite the Welshes using "fink" when talking about the father's day job, they tell Harriet it's not a real word when she uses it in an argument. Sometimes after this novel came out, "fink" did indeed enter pop culture to refer to someone ratting another out. You can hear it in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'' in the episode "Trial".
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* JerkassWoobie: Harriet. While what she wrote in her notebook was hurtful to some people, it was still her privacy and she had every right to vent when she wants to. Also the fact her classmates went too far to get back at her for she wrote, which drove to her breaking point, and her parents didn’t show any sympathy for her by taking any her notebook, you can hardly blame her and have to feel bad for her.
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** The film focusing on Carrie Andrews's [[BuxomIsBetter ample bustline]] with her male classmates being interested in her physique would be harder to play in 2020 with social media and people being conscious of the dangers of sexualizing young women, especially girls who develop earlier than their peers.

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** The film focusing on Carrie Andrews's [[BuxomIsBetter [[BuxomBeautyStandard ample bustline]] with her male classmates being interested in her physique would be harder to play in 2020 with social media and people being conscious of the dangers of sexualizing young women, especially girls who develop earlier than their peers.

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** There is a manipulative teenage girl antagonist who is skilled at ruining someone's life from the inside out. [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyTrialsAndTribulations Her last name is Hawthorne]].

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** There is a manipulative teenage girl antagonist who is skilled at ruining someone's life from the inside out. [[VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyTrialsAndTribulations Her last name is Hawthorne]].Hawthorne.]]



* WhatAnIdiot: When Harriet's notebook is discovered by her classmates, they are unsurprisingly hurt by her less than flattering notes, and form a spy catchers club bent on making Harriet's life miserable.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Harriet would just apologize for her notes (which she later does as newspaper editor), and then maybe they would all forgive her (Sport and Janie would for sure.)\\
'''Instead:''' She decides to get back at them all by playing harmful pranks or embarrassing them. It makes them even angrier. It doesn't occur to Harriet because she is BrutallyHonest, and Ole Golly in a letter has to spell it out for her.
* {{Woobie}}: Beth Ellen Hansen, even more so in ''The Long Secret.'' Her mother flits around Europe, and when her grandmother announces that she's coming back, Beth Ellen doesn't know what to feel. She hasn't seen her mom since she was five and never knew her father, who left before she was born. Her mother's abandonment and her grandmother's stodgy (though well-meaning) care seem to have taught her that she should not feel or want anything, which [[ItsAllAboutMe causes Harriet continual frustration]] that Beth Ellen never seems to think of anything.

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* WhatAnIdiot: When Harriet's notebook is discovered by her classmates, they are unsurprisingly hurt by her less than flattering notes, and form a spy catchers club bent on making Harriet's life miserable.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Harriet would just apologize for her notes (which she later does as newspaper editor), and then maybe they would all forgive her (Sport and Janie would for sure.)\\
'''Instead:''' She decides to get back at them all by playing harmful pranks or embarrassing them. It makes them even angrier. It doesn't occur to Harriet because she is BrutallyHonest, and Ole Golly in a letter has to spell it out for her.
* {{Woobie}}:
TheWoobie: Beth Ellen Hansen, even more so in ''The Long Secret.'' Her mother flits around Europe, and when her grandmother announces that she's coming back, Beth Ellen doesn't know what to feel. She hasn't seen her mom since she was five and never knew her father, who left before she was born. Her mother's abandonment and her grandmother's stodgy (though well-meaning) care seem to have taught her that she should not feel or want anything, which [[ItsAllAboutMe causes Harriet continual frustration]] that Beth Ellen never seems to think of anything.
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** In the movie, Marion and Sport's actors would later play cops in the series ''Series/RookieBlue''.


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* RetroactiveRecognition:
** Harriet in the 1996 movie would later [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer open a portal to a Hell dimension]] and [[Series/GossipGirl screw with the rich teens of the Upper East Side]].
** Sport would [[Film/SmallSoldiers fight sentient toy soldiers]] the next year, and be [[Film/ThePatriot Mel Gibson's son in the American War of Independence]].
** Laura would [[Literature/ALittlePrincess befriend an impoverished princess]] and [[Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark kill a velociraptor with a gymnastics routine]].
** Marion would later [[Series/RookieBlue enforce the law with Sport]] and get to be Creator/MarilynMonroe in ''The Kennedys''.
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* UncannyValley: [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/Harriet_the_Spy_%281996_film%29_poster.jpg This]] [[TheFilmOfTheBook movie poster]] feels... off.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: Harriet’s friends had every right to be mad at her for what she wrote about them, but waging a full on harassment war, consisting of an entire class against one child? That’s just plain cruelty.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: Given the book was set in the 1960s, this is bound to happen. There are FreeRangeChildren, Harriet likes [[http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/classic-chocolate-egg-cream-51164610 chocolate egg creams]], and everyone still uses typewriters.
** [[http://www.gamertherapist.com/2012/05/20/harriet-at-forty-eight/ As this blogger points out]], if this were written today, Harriet would possibly be permanently deprived of writing on the grounds that she has an "addiction".
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*DisproportionateRetribution: Harriet’s friends had every right to be mad at her for what she wrote about them, but waging a full on harassment war, consisting of an entire class against one child? That’s just plain cruelty.

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