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Removing nattery, political tangent that ultimately argues with itself.


** On the other hand, one could intepret the message as "stop being so prejudiced against atheists". There is a great degree of TruthInTelevision in regards to how Atheists are often treated in the United States, especially in the deeply religious states. While declaring Brian worse than Hitler might have been an exaggeration, many fundamentalists do try to associate atheism with Naziism by claiming that Hitler and the SS were largely atheists themselves (which isn't true, nobody who knew him personally ever described Hitler as an atheist and the SS consisted of everything from agnostics to Christians to Pagans). There are even many cases where Atheists have been fired for their lack of belief, making the prejudice Brian faces not too far removed from reality. With that said though, Brian's argument against God at the end isn't considered very compelling even by atheists.
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** On the other hand, one could intepret the message as "stop being so prejudiced against atheists". There is a great degree of TruthInTelevision in regards to how Atheists are often treated in the United States, especially in the deeply religious states. While declaring Brian worse than Hitler might have been an exaggeration, many fundamentalists do try to associate atheism with Naziism by claiming that Hitler and the SS were largely atheists themselves (which isn't true, nobody who knew him personally ever described Hitler as an atheist and the SS consisted of everything from agnostics to Christians to Pagans). There are even many cases where Atheists have been fired for their lack of belief, making the prejudice Brian faces not too far removed from reality. With that said though, Brian's argument against God at the end isn't considered very compelling even by atheists.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: More like they wasted some perfectly good guest stars. It’s kind of hard not to feel disappointed by the guest appearances of the cast of “The Next Generation”, since they’re only here for the sideplot that doesn’t really go anywhere. It doesn’t exactly help that the episode’s main storyline is one that’s often criticized.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: More like they wasted some perfectly good guest stars. It’s kind of hard not to feel disappointed by the guest appearances of the cast of “The Next Generation”, since their presence was heavily used in the marketing for the episode, yet they’re only here for the sideplot side plot that doesn’t really go anywhere. anywhere. It doesn’t exactly help that the episode’s main storyline is one that’s often criticized.
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Not a meme, a Running Gag.


* MemeticMutation: "Hwil Hweaton."
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: More like they wasted some perfectly good guest stars. It’s kind of hard not to feel disappointed by the guest appearances of the cast of “The Next Generation”, since they’re only appear for the sideplot that doesn’t really go anywhere. It doesn’t exactly help that the episode’s main storyline is one that’s often criticized.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: More like they wasted some perfectly good guest stars. It’s kind of hard not to feel disappointed by the guest appearances of the cast of “The Next Generation”, since they’re only appear here for the sideplot that doesn’t really go anywhere. It doesn’t exactly help that the episode’s main storyline is one that’s often criticized.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: More like they wasted some perfectly good guest stars. It’s kind of hard not to feel disappointed by the guest appearances of the cast of “The Next Generation”, since they’re only appear for the sideplot that doesn’t really go anywhere. It doesn’t exactly help that the episode’s main storyline is one that’s often criticized.
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* TheWoobie: Meg can be difficult not to feel sorry for since Brian mocks her for being religious and argues against the existence of God based solely on her being considered unattractive and living a crappy life.

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* TheWoobie: Meg can be difficult not to feel sorry for since Brian mocks her for being religious (though she, along with the rest of the town, was being intolerant of Brian's atheism) and argues against the existence of God based solely on her being considered unattractive and living a crappy life.
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* UnexpectedCharacter: Suffice to say, ''no one'' was expecting [[ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes Calvin]] to get a cameo.

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* UnexpectedCharacter: Suffice to say, ''no one'' was expecting [[ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes Calvin]] to get a cameo. Creator/RobLowe comes out of nowhere, too.
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* DontShootTheMessage: The intended morals of this episode ("Fundamentalism and willful ignorance in religion can be dangerous" and "Sometimes religion doesn't have all the answers to mankind's unanswered questions") are fairly good ones. But sadly, due to how the episode plays out, the Aesops come across more as "Believing in God is a waste of time, especially if you're from a family that treats you like crap and your life sucks," and "Atheists know what they're talking about when they say that there is no God and no reason to follow religion." Ulimately, the moral falls flat as Brian comes across as a massive jerk, basically saying Meg not living up to her perception of beauty proves God doesn't exist.

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* DontShootTheMessage: The intended morals of this episode ("Fundamentalism and willful ignorance in religion can be dangerous" and "Sometimes religion doesn't have all the answers to mankind's unanswered questions") are fairly good ones. But sadly, due to how the episode plays out, the Aesops come message comes across more as "Believing in God is a waste of time, especially if you're from a family that treats you like crap and your life sucks," and "Atheists know what they're talking about when they say that there is no God and no reason to follow religion." Ulimately, the moral falls flat as Brian comes across as a massive jerk, basically saying Meg not living up to her perception of beauty proves God doesn't exist.
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* DontShootTheMessage: The intended morals of this episode ("Fundamentalism and willful ignorance in religion can be dangerous" and "Sometimes religion doesn't have all the answers to mankind's unanswered questions") are fairly good ones. But sadly, due to how the episode plays out, the Aesops come across more as "Believing in God is a waste of time, especially if you're from a family that treats you like crap and your life sucks," and "Atheists know what they're talking about when they say that there is no God and no reason to follow religion." Ulimately, the moral falls flat as Brian comes across as a massive jerk, basically saying Meg not standing up to her perception of beauty proves God doesn't exist.

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* DontShootTheMessage: The intended morals of this episode ("Fundamentalism and willful ignorance in religion can be dangerous" and "Sometimes religion doesn't have all the answers to mankind's unanswered questions") are fairly good ones. But sadly, due to how the episode plays out, the Aesops come across more as "Believing in God is a waste of time, especially if you're from a family that treats you like crap and your life sucks," and "Atheists know what they're talking about when they say that there is no God and no reason to follow religion." Ulimately, the moral falls flat as Brian comes across as a massive jerk, basically saying Meg not standing living up to her perception of beauty proves God doesn't exist.
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* DontShootTheMessage: The intended morals of this episode("Fundamentalism and willful ignorance in religion can be dangerous" and "Sometimes religion doesn't have all the answers to mankind's unanswered questions") are fairly good ones. But sadly, due to how the episode plays out, the Aesops come across more as "Believing in God is a waste of time, especially if you're from a family that treats you like crap and your life sucks," and "Atheists know what they're talking about when they say that there is no God and no reason to follow religion." Ulimately, the moral falls flat as Brian comes across as a massive jerk, basically saying Meg not standing up to her perception of beauty proves God doesn't exist.

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* DontShootTheMessage: The intended morals of this episode("Fundamentalism episode ("Fundamentalism and willful ignorance in religion can be dangerous" and "Sometimes religion doesn't have all the answers to mankind's unanswered questions") are fairly good ones. But sadly, due to how the episode plays out, the Aesops come across more as "Believing in God is a waste of time, especially if you're from a family that treats you like crap and your life sucks," and "Atheists know what they're talking about when they say that there is no God and no reason to follow religion." Ulimately, the moral falls flat as Brian comes across as a massive jerk, basically saying Meg not standing up to her perception of beauty proves God doesn't exist.
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* DontShootTheMessage: The intended morals of this episode("Fundamentalism and willful ignorance in religion can be dangerous" and "Sometimes religion doesn't have all the answers to mankind's unanswered questions") are fairly good ones. But sadly, due to how the episode plays out, the Aesops come across more as "Believing in God is a waste of time, especially if you're from a family that treats you like crap and your life sucks," and "Atheists know what they're talking about when they say that there is no God and no reason to follow religion." Ulimately, the moral falls flat as Brian comes across as a massive jerk, basically saying Meg not standing up to her perception of beauty proves God doesn't exist.
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: The scene mentioned in DriveThruAntics on the main page becomes dated after 2016, when [=McDonald's=] started serving breakfast all day.
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* JustHereForGodzilla: Due to this episode's reputation, there are some who watch this episode solely for the subplot of Stewie meeting the ''Star Trek'' cast and skipping over the main plot.

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* JustHereForGodzilla: Due to this episode's reputation, there are some who watch this episode solely for the subplot of Stewie meeting the ''Star Trek'' cast and skipping over the main plot.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Though Brian is right to stop Meg from burning books, the manner in which he stops her leaves a lot to be desired. His BreakingSpeech convincing Meg that God doesn't exist is portrayed as if it's a beautiful moment of logic, but it's been derided as depthless and incredibly mean spirited. And while this can be chalked up to Brian being CruelToBeKind, that's offset by the fact that he didn't need to resort to this speech, as he could've just as easily appealed to her morality, noted that God would disapprove of this behavior, or speak of how religion and science are able to coexist. To his credit he ''does'' initially try to convince Meg that what she's doing is ethically wrong, but it's only a brief moment and he clearly could've tried to do more with that option. There's also the matter of hypocrisy in his actions, as he talks about how awful Meg's life is, but his choice to shatter her belief instead of guiding it to be a better path takes away one of the few things in her life that that brought her actual happiness.
* TheWoobie: Meg can be difficult not to feel sorry for, since Brian mocks her for being religious and argues against the existence of God based solely on her being considered unattractive and living a crappy life.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Though Brian is right to stop Meg from burning books, the manner in which he stops her leaves a lot to be desired. His BreakingSpeech convincing Meg that God doesn't exist is portrayed as if it's a beautiful moment of logic, but it's been derided as depthless and incredibly mean spirited. mean-spirited. And while this can be chalked up to Brian being CruelToBeKind, that's offset by the fact that he didn't need to resort to this speech, as he could've just as easily appealed to her morality, noted that God would disapprove of this behavior, or speak of how religion and science are able to can coexist. To his credit credit, he ''does'' initially try to convince Meg that what she's doing is ethically wrong, but it's only a brief moment and he clearly could've tried to do more with that option. There's also the matter of hypocrisy in his actions, as he talks about how awful Meg's life is, but his choice to shatter her belief instead of guiding it to be a better path takes away one of the few things in her life that that brought her actual happiness.
* TheWoobie: Meg can be difficult not to feel sorry for, for since Brian mocks her for being religious and argues against the existence of God based solely on her being considered unattractive and living a crappy life.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Though Brian is right to stop Meg from burning books, the manner in which he stops her leaves a lot to be desired. His BreakingSpeech convincing Meg that God doesn't exist is portrayed as if it's a beautiful moment of logic, but it's been derided as depthless and incredibly mean spirited. And while this can be chalked up to Brian being CruelToBeKind, that's offset by the fact that he didn't need to resort to this speech, as he could've just as easily appealed to her morality, noted that God would disapprove of this behavior, or speak of how religion and science are able to coexist. To his credit he ''does'' initially try to convince Meg that what she's doing is ethically wrong, but it's only a brief moment and he clearly could've tried to do more with that option. There's also the matter of hypocrisy in his actions, as he talks about how awful Meg's life is, but his choice to shatter her belief instead of guiding it to be a better path takes away one of the few things in her life that that brought her actual happiness.
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Meg is not the reason this episode gets hate


* BrokenBase: While most thought it was SoOkayItsAverage (they hated the main story because it focused on Meg, but loved the ''Star Trek'' story and some of the jokes), some considered it to be a low point of the show.

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* BrokenBase: While most thought it was SoOkayItsAverage (they hated the main story because it focused on Meg, was deemed to be obnoxious in its preaching, but loved the ''Star Trek'' story and some of the jokes), some considered it to be a low point of the show.

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