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* David theorizes that Calamity is "just" a massively powerful Transference epic. [[spoiler: He's right. Or close enough.]] It's later shown that [[spoiler: if an Epic claims their powers for themselves, they can sever their connection to Calamity and keep their powers, inoculating them from his effects and preventing him from taking their powers back.]] The theory is [[spoiler: Just as Epics can claim powers from Calamity, it a normal human were given powers by a more standard Transference Epic, they could claim them for themselves in the same manner, and become Epics themselves. ]]

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* David theorizes that Calamity is "just" a massively powerful Transference epic. [[spoiler: He's right. Or close enough.]] It's later shown that [[spoiler: if an Epic claims their powers for themselves, they can sever their connection to Calamity and keep their powers, inoculating them from his effects and preventing him from taking their powers back.]] The theory is [[spoiler: Just as Epics can claim powers from Calamity, it a normal human were given powers by a more standard Transference Epic, they could claim them for themselves in the same manner, and become Epics themselves. ]]]]

[[WMG: Something like Calamity is the origin of Quirks in {{Manga/My Hero Academia}} ]]
* The My Hero world is one of the universes where [[spoiler:Calamity, or a being like it didn't stick around.]] Deku is that world's version of David.
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[[WMG: Calamity is the same type of being as Scion from ''Worm''.]]
In ''{{Literature/Worm}}'', Scion is a glowing, divine-looking, [[spoiler:power-granting alien]]. Calamity comes from the same place, but is employing a different strategy with his power investment.
* This is pretty reasonable, especially given that, just like Scion, Calamity showed up at the same time as powers began appearing, the superpowers have a build-in drive for conflict, and when [[spoiler: Calamity attempts to force a shard into David]] it/he uses similar [IDEA] communication as Scion [[spoiler: and Eden]] use in [[TraumaticSuperPowerAwakening the Trigger vision]].
* Fireflight's actual power, revealed to be [[spoiler: bringing images and physical parts of alternate realities into her own, and pushing parts of reality into other alternate realities]] is entirely in line with how ''{{Literature/Worm}}'' powers depend on dimensional shenanigans, and its description is surprisingly similar to (in ''Worm'') Tattletale's explanation of how Shadow Stalker's power works.

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[[WMG: Calamity is the same type of being as Scion from ''Worm''.]]
In ''{{Literature/Worm}}'', Scion is a glowing, divine-looking, [[spoiler:power-granting alien]]. Calamity comes from the same place, but is employing a different strategy with his power investment.
* This is pretty reasonable, especially given that, just like Scion, Calamity showed up at the same time as powers began appearing, the superpowers have a build-in drive for conflict, and when [[spoiler: Calamity attempts to force a shard into David]] it/he uses similar [IDEA] communication as Scion [[spoiler: and Eden]] use in [[TraumaticSuperPowerAwakening the Trigger vision]].
* Fireflight's actual power, revealed to be [[spoiler: bringing images and physical parts of alternate realities into her own, and pushing parts of reality into other alternate realities]] is entirely in line with how ''{{Literature/Worm}}'' powers depend on dimensional shenanigans, and its description is surprisingly similar to (in ''Worm'') Tattletale's explanation of how Shadow Stalker's power works.



[[WMG: [[spoiler:Calamity is an Entity]]]]

(Note: Spoilers follow for both {{Literature/Worm}} and the Reckoners Trilogy.)
* [[spoiler:Much like Scion, Calamity is an immensely powerful being (having access to essentially any superpower in their respective universes), and is revealed to be the source of said superpowers.]] In addition, both Steelheart's Epics and many of Worm's parahumans have [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity serious mental issues that came with the powers]]. [[spoiler:In addition, the superhuman feudalism is remarkably similar to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/3ihyjg/scion_vs_eden/cugmewe Wildbow's description of a different way Earth Bet could have gone.]] Eden's Interlude also makes it clear that different Entites work differently, meaning that the concept of one whose projection in a given universe hangs in space is not impossible.]]
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* [[spoiler:Much like Scion, Calamity is an immensely powerful being (having access to essentially any superpower in their respective universes), and is revealed to be the source of said superpowers.]] In addition, both Steelheart's Epics and many of Worm's parahumans have [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity serious mental issues that came with the powers]]. [[spoiler:In addition, the superhuman feudalism is remarkably similar to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/3ihyjg/scion_vs_eden/cugmewe Wildbow's description of a different way Earth Bet could have gone.]] Eden's Interlude also makes it clear that different Entites work differently, meaning that the concept of one whose projection in a given universe hangs in space is not impossible.]]

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* [[spoiler:Much like Scion, Calamity is an immensely powerful being (having access to essentially any superpower in their respective universes), and is revealed to be the source of said superpowers.]] In addition, both Steelheart's Epics and many of Worm's parahumans have [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity serious mental issues that came with the powers]]. [[spoiler:In addition, the superhuman feudalism is remarkably similar to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/3ihyjg/scion_vs_eden/cugmewe Wildbow's description of a different way Earth Bet could have gone.]] Eden's Interlude also makes it clear that different Entites work differently, meaning that the concept of one whose projection in a given universe hangs in space is not impossible.]]

[[WMG: Transference Epics can take the next step.]]
* David theorizes that Calamity is "just" a massively powerful Transference epic. [[spoiler: He's right. Or close enough.]] It's later shown that [[spoiler: if an Epic claims their powers for themselves, they can sever their connection to Calamity and keep their powers, inoculating them from his effects and preventing him from taking their powers back.]] The theory is [[spoiler: Just as Epics can claim powers from Calamity, it a normal human were given powers by a more standard Transference Epic, they could claim them for themselves in the same manner, and become Epics themselves.
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** Megan: Creator/ChloeMoretz, Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/TessaThompson, Creator/ZendayaColeman

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** Megan: Creator/ChloeMoretz, Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/TessaThompson, Creator/ZendayaColeman
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** We learn in Firefight that [[spoiler:powerful Epics experience an outburst of mindless, destructive rage when their powers first appear]]. This seems to lend credence to this theory.

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** We learn As of the end of the trilogy, this theory is never explicitly confirmed or denied, but the revelation in Firefight ''Firefight'' that [[spoiler:powerful Epics experience an outburst of mindless, mindless destructive rage when their powers first appear]]. This seems to lend manifest]] certainly lends credence to this theory.
the idea. [[spoiler:Prof could easily have been at work when his Rending occurred]].
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** We learn in Firefight that [[spoiler:powerful Epics experience an outburst of mindless, destructive rage when their powers first appear]]. This seems to lend credence to this theory.
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[[WMG: Casting for TheFilmOfTheBook]]
Given that [[http://deadline.com/2015/07/steelheart-carter-blanchard-fox-1201483661/ 20th Century Fox has announced that a film adaptation of the books has gone into preproduction]], it seems prudent to discuss our favorite castings, on the off-chance that some exec is a Troper.
*The Reckoners:
**Prof: Creator/JKSimmons, Creator/HarrisonFord, Creator/LiamNeeson, Creator/RonPerlman, Creator/SamuelLJackson, Creator/IdrisElba
**Tia: Creator/GillianAnderson, Creator/SigourneyWeaver, Creator/GinaTorres, Creator/ConnieNielsen,
**Cody: Creator/NathanFillion,
**Abraham: [[Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast Omar Sy]], Creator/IdrisElba
**David: Creator/LoganLerman, [[Film/GodsOfEgypt Brenton]] [[Film/TheGiver Thwaites]], Creator/AnselElgort, Creator/MilesTeller, [[Series/VeronicaMars Percy Daggs III]],
**Megan: Creator/ChloeMoretz, Creator/ShaileneWoodley, Creator/TessaThompson, Creator/ZendayaColeman

* The Epics:
**Steelheart: Creator/BenAffleck

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** Actually, it was Jossed. [[spoiler: Knighthawk has several items that were taken from Epic powers, and he even makes a full suit with Prof's powers on it in Literature/{{Calamity}}.

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** Actually, it was Jossed. [[spoiler: Knighthawk has several items that were taken from Epic powers, and he even makes a full suit with Prof's powers on it in Literature/{{Calamity}}.
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** Actually, it was Jossed. [[spoiler: Knighthawk has several items that were taken from Epic powers, and he even makes a full suit with Prof's powers on it in Literature/{{Calamity}}.

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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Calamity]] is an [[Literature/Worm Entity]]]]
(Note: Spoilers for both Worm and the Reckoners Trilogy)
* Much like [[spoiler:Scion, Calamity is an immensely powerful being (having access to essentially any superpower in their respective universes), and is revealed to be the source of said superpowers.]] In addition, both Steelheart's Epics and many of Worm's parahumans have [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity serious mental issues that came with the powers]]. [[spoiler:In addition, the superhuman feudalism is remarkably similar to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/3ihyjg/scion_vs_eden/cugmewe Wildbow's description of a different way Earth Bet could have gone.]] Eden's Interlude also makes it clear that different Entites work differently, meaning that the concept of one whose projection in a given universe hangs in space is not impossible.]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Calamity]] [[spoiler:Calamity is an [[Literature/Worm Entity]]]]
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(Note: Spoilers follow for both Worm {{Literature/Worm}} and the Reckoners Trilogy)
Trilogy.)
* Much [[spoiler:Much like [[spoiler:Scion, Scion, Calamity is an immensely powerful being (having access to essentially any superpower in their respective universes), and is revealed to be the source of said superpowers.]] In addition, both Steelheart's Epics and many of Worm's parahumans have [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity serious mental issues that came with the powers]]. [[spoiler:In addition, the superhuman feudalism is remarkably similar to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/3ihyjg/scion_vs_eden/cugmewe Wildbow's description of a different way Earth Bet could have gone.]] Eden's Interlude also makes it clear that different Entites work differently, meaning that the concept of one whose projection in a given universe hangs in space is not impossible.]]
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When I read that Calamity made Epics, this was my first thought. Followed closely by, "I really want to read the Reckoner's Trilogy now".

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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Calamity]] is an [[Literature/Worm Entity]]]]
(Note: Spoilers for both Worm and the Reckoners Trilogy)
* Much like [[spoiler:Scion, Calamity is an immensely powerful being (having access to essentially any superpower in their respective universes), and is revealed to be the source of said superpowers.]] In addition, both Steelheart's Epics and many of Worm's parahumans have [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity serious mental issues that came with the powers]]. [[spoiler:In addition, the superhuman feudalism is remarkably similar to [[https://www.reddit.com/r/Parahumans/comments/3ihyjg/scion_vs_eden/cugmewe Wildbow's description of a different way Earth Bet could have gone.]] Eden's Interlude also makes it clear that different Entites work differently, meaning that the concept of one whose projection in a given universe hangs in space is not impossible.]]
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* Sort-of. [[spoiler: Obliteration helps the Reckoners kill Calamity - then cheerfully announces his plans to destroy Toronto in a week. Apparently he conquered his Epic "darkness" a long time ago; he was happy to help defeat a being he perceived as a devil, but apparently the mass-murdering religious nut actually ''is'' who he is, powers or no. Even in an alternate universe where Epic powers don't corrupt, he's still a bad guy]].

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* Sort-of. [[spoiler: Obliteration helps the Reckoners kill defeat Calamity - then cheerfully announces his plans to destroy Toronto in a week. Apparently he conquered his Epic "darkness" a long time ago; he was happy to help defeat a being he perceived as a devil, but apparently the mass-murdering religious nut actually ''is'' who he is, powers or no. Even in an alternate universe where Epic powers don't corrupt, he's still a bad guy]].
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*** [[spoiler: We find out a bit more about Digzone in ''Calamity'', and there's no real indication he's Prof]].




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** Partially confirmed. [[spoiler: Calamity isn't so much a psychopath as a creature with BlueAndOrangeMorality who thinks that HumansAreTheRealMonsters, but his revulsion for humanity infects the powers he gifts and this is what triggers the Epic psychosis]].




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* As of ''Calamity'' [[spoiler: Calamity is definitely ''something'' inhuman, but whether he's an angel or a SufficientlyAdvancedAlien is unclear]].




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*Sort-of. [[spoiler: Obliteration helps the Reckoners kill Calamity - then cheerfully announces his plans to destroy Toronto in a week. Apparently he conquered his Epic "darkness" a long time ago; he was happy to help defeat a being he perceived as a devil, but apparently the mass-murdering religious nut actually ''is'' who he is, powers or no. Even in an alternate universe where Epic powers don't corrupt, he's still a bad guy]].




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** Confirmed. [[spoiler: Prof doesn't take risks for the same reason he fears his powers - he fears failure]].




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** [[spoiler: Confirmed in ''Calamity''. He got Steelheart's powerset]].




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**Close. [[spoiler: Prof ''does'' fear his powers, but his real fear is failure, and he fears influence/success/his powers because he feels that the more he has, the bigger his inevitable failure will be. Confronting him with his own powers weakens him a bit, but doesn't fully depower him or count as his "fear" for the purpose of escaping corruption]].
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** [[spoiler: Except they have to accept their fear, rather than avoid it to break Calamity's influence. Otherwise everyone would be immune to Calamity's empowerment like David was: After all the fears the Epics' weaknesses are based on are things in their past.]]

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** Sanderson did say that that whatever the source is, if it was a Shard, would have an Intent along the lines of Temptation. So he's thought about it.
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* I really like this idea, I'm just not sure it holds up. If just being exposed to your weakness was enough to cure you, not many epics would still be insane. It seems to me that facing your fear requires active effort rather than passive exposure. So in his case it would require doing a KingIncognito routine or similar, where noone knows who he is and so he's surrounded by people who don't fear him. That said, if he did indeed confront his fear at one point, that makes him very much like The Lord Ruler from Mistborn.
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** As a friend of mine pointed out, we have a character running around with the power to open portals to other dimensions. Perhaps Calamity entered through a similar rift.
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* I agree that Prof is pretty risk-averse, but I think that's more a personality trait than a weakness. Megan describes weaknesses as those things you have nightmares about. I seriously doubt Prof wakes from sleep in a cold sweat thinking about the risks he's taking. As to attacking David, David is obviously the most dangerous tactical mind remaining in the Reckoners. If your opponent's queen is exposed, you take it.
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** Steelheart is more than the protector of one of the nicest pieces of real estate on the continent: he is an icon of Power, with a capital P. He’s acting as a lightning rod. He has set himself up as a target for the bravest, stupidest, and most ambitious Epics. They come to Newcago to claim the crown, and the Steelheart kills them, so they can’t go commit atrocities somewhere else. He even turned the entire city to steel so that when Epics come to challenge him, collateral damage is minimal.

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** Steelheart is more than the protector of one of the nicest pieces of real estate on the continent: he is an icon of Power, with a capital P. He’s acting as a lightning rod. He has set himself up as a target for the bravest, stupidest, and most ambitious Epics. They come to Newcago to claim the crown, and the then Steelheart kills them, so they can’t go commit atrocities somewhere else. He even turned the entire city to steel so that when Epics come to challenge him, collateral damage is minimal.
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** It doesn't need to be strictly part of the cosmere to follow similar rules to a shard either.

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** It doesn't need to be strictly part of the cosmere to follow similar rules to a shard either.either.

[[WMG: Steelheart [[spoiler: hasn’t been evil since the Day of Annexation]]]]
* As of ''Firefight'', we know that [[spoiler: Epics who face their greatest fear/weakness are no longer compelled to do evil]]. As [[spoiler: Steelheart can only be harmed by someone who has never feared him]], Steelheart [[spoiler: faced his weakness on the Day of Annexation, when he killed David’s father]].
* Then, for the rest of the book, all of his actions fit with a singular mindframe: Steelheart wants to protect the inhabitants of one of the most populous cities on the continent from the atrocities of the Epics.
** Steelheart declares himself emperor of Chicago and gives a single ultimatum to all Epics in the city: swear allegiance or die. All Epics know where they stand with him, and they need to take care not to get on his bad side. This means not making Newcago a terrible place to live.
** Steelheart keeps the lights on and the water running. Newcago is one of the better places to live in the Fractured States because Steelheart has kept the infrastructure in excellent repair: Conflux and the power station give the city electricity, there’s a functioning sewage treatment plant, and a decent portion of the population can even have jobs. Between that and a functional military/police force, the crime rate is probably at a historic low for Chicago, even with the Epics.
** Steelheart is more than the protector of one of the nicest pieces of real estate on the continent: he is an icon of Power, with a capital P. He’s acting as a lightning rod. He has set himself up as a target for the bravest, stupidest, and most ambitious Epics. They come to Newcago to claim the crown, and the Steelheart kills them, so they can’t go commit atrocities somewhere else. He even turned the entire city to steel so that when Epics come to challenge him, collateral damage is minimal.
** The Reckoners find [[spoiler: propaganda suggesting that Steelheart is a way worse person than he is]] inside the power plant. Given how powerful Steelheart is and how evil all Epics supposedly are, why go through the trouble of having [[spoiler: propagandists make up stories about that time you burned a town to the ground and murdered all the inhabitants? Why not ''actually'' go out, burn a town to the ground, and murder the inhabitants on camera?]] Steelheart is taking the course of least bloodshed: [[spoiler: inspiring fear to augment his invulnerability]] while also not actually killing anyone.
** Steelheart’s actions throughout the book have shown that he cares more about his population’s welfare than the local Epics.
*** [[spoiler: The Reckoners kill Fortuity]]. Result: No major repercussions.
*** [[spoiler: The Reckoners kill Refractionary]]. Result: No major repercussions.
*** [[spoiler: The Reckoners destroy the power plant]]. Result: Steelheart goes looking for terrorists, but doesn’t prepare to throw down. Why would he? [[spoiler: He can still power the entire city with Conflux]].
*** [[spoiler: Conflux is kidnapped by a High Epic]]. Result: Steelheart, Firefight, Nightwielder, and basically all of Enforcement mobilize to face this serious and imminent threat that has now knocked out power to several million homes.
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*** Do we actually know that? Because there's no rule that says Prof couldn't have been using an alias.



I know it's been stated that the Reckoners isn't part of The Cosmere, but well, why couldn't it be? The effects of Epic powers sound a lot like the effects of [[MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Ruin]] and [[Literature/TheStormlightArchive Odium]] have on those who use powers granted by them. The only thing that makes this series stand out is the lack of a BigGood to go with the BigEvil of Calamity[[spoiler:/whatever gave Calamity powers.]]

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I know it's been stated that the Reckoners isn't part of The Cosmere, but well, why couldn't it be? The effects of Epic powers sound a lot like the effects of [[MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Ruin]] and [[Literature/TheStormlightArchive Odium]] have on those who use powers granted by them. The only thing that makes this series stand out is the lack of a BigGood to go with the BigEvil of Calamity[[spoiler:/whatever gave Calamity powers.]]]]
** It doesn't need to be strictly part of the cosmere to follow similar rules to a shard either.
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I know it's been stated that the Reckoners isn't part of The Cosmere, but well, why couldn't it be? The effects of Epic powers sound a lot like the effects of [[MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Ruin]] and [[TheStormlightArchive Odium]] have on those who use powers granted by them. The only thing that makes this series stand out is the lack of a BigGood to go with the BigEvil of Calamity[[spoiler:/whatever gave Calamity powers.]]

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I know it's been stated that the Reckoners isn't part of The Cosmere, but well, why couldn't it be? The effects of Epic powers sound a lot like the effects of [[MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Ruin]] and [[TheStormlightArchive [[Literature/TheStormlightArchive Odium]] have on those who use powers granted by them. The only thing that makes this series stand out is the lack of a BigGood to go with the BigEvil of Calamity[[spoiler:/whatever gave Calamity powers.]]
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[[spoiler: Judging from the Fridge Brilliance page and the end of Firefight with Megan trapping him in his own forcefields, Prof seems to be afraid of his own powers. He also chastises David for forcing him to use his powers and had been restraining himself for presumably years. Despite being an Epic himself, he also doesn't seem to believe in the redemption of other Epics and thinks all powers corrupt without anything to stop them, giving off a rather negative view which can be interpreted as fearful.]]

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[[spoiler: Judging from the Fridge Brilliance page and the end of Firefight with Megan trapping him in his own forcefields, Prof seems to be afraid of his own powers. He also chastises David for forcing him to use his powers and had been restraining himself for presumably years. Despite being an Epic himself, he also doesn't seem to believe in the redemption of other Epics and thinks all powers corrupt without anything to stop them, giving off a rather negative view which can be interpreted as fearful.]]

[[WMG: Calamity's powers come from a [[TheCosmere Shard]]]]
I know it's been stated that the Reckoners isn't part of The Cosmere, but well, why couldn't it be? The effects of Epic powers sound a lot like the effects of [[MistbornTheOriginalTrilogy Ruin]] and [[TheStormlightArchive Odium]] have on those who use powers granted by them. The only thing that makes this series stand out is the lack of a BigGood to go with the BigEvil of Calamity[[spoiler:/whatever gave Calamity powers.
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