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* During ''Knights of the Eternal Throne'', Saresh [[spoiler:hired the [=GenoHaradan=] to have her political enemies killed in order to take the Outlander's place as the Alliance Commander, all because she thought she'd make a better leader. When caught, she explicitly says that if she were in charge and someone tried usurping her she'd kill them, so she has no qualms in having other people killed. She might have used those connections to ensure that she'd be elected Supreme Chancellor, which would make sense if the position of governor of Taris killed several promising political careers, and yet somehow didn't kill hers despite the complete failure of the resettlement project under her leadership by the end of the Imperial storyline on Taris]].

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* During ''Knights of the Eternal Throne'', Saresh [[spoiler:hired hired the [=GenoHaradan=] to have her political enemies killed in order to take the Outlander's place as the Alliance Commander, all because she thought she'd make a better leader. When caught, she explicitly says that if she were in charge and someone tried usurping her she'd kill them, so she has no qualms in having other people killed. She might have used those connections to ensure that she'd be elected Supreme Chancellor, which would make sense if the position of governor of Taris killed several promising political careers, and yet somehow didn't kill hers despite the complete failure of the resettlement project under her leadership by the end of the Imperial storyline on Taris]].
Taris.



* In the Nathema flashpoint, [[spoiler:Theron brings up her justification for that as an IronicEcho when she complains about him going off on his own to infiltrate the Order of Zildrog.]]

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* In the Nathema flashpoint, [[spoiler:Theron Theron brings up her justification for that as an IronicEcho when she complains about him going off on his own to infiltrate the Order of Zildrog.]]
Zildrog.



* [[spoiler: Assuming that he didn't die on Iokath, it'll be revealed that he retired from the military and ran for Supreme Chancellor, easily winning with his reputation as a war hero. His stated goal will be to restore the Republic back to it's original ideals after Saresh trashed them with her dictatorship.]]

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* [[spoiler: Assuming that he didn't die on Iokath, it'll be revealed that he retired from the military and ran for Supreme Chancellor, easily winning with his reputation as a war hero. His stated goal will be to restore the Republic back to it's original ideals after Saresh trashed them with her dictatorship.]]
dictatorship.



** The Chiss Ascendancy was in contact with the rest of the galaxy in SWTOR's time but had managed to fall off the map entirely by the movie period (c.f. ''Literature/OutboundFlight''). Why not Zakuul? [[spoiler:Zakuul does declare independence from the Alliance at the end of "The Nathema Conspiracy", but depending on the Outlander's personality they may still be welcome there.]]

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** The Chiss Ascendancy was in contact with the rest of the galaxy in SWTOR's time but had managed to fall off the map entirely by the movie period (c.f. ''Literature/OutboundFlight''). Why not Zakuul? [[spoiler:Zakuul Zakuul does declare independence from the Alliance at the end of "The Nathema Conspiracy", but depending on the Outlander's personality they may still be welcome there.]]

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'''Pre-emptive warning - anything marked "Confirmation status" contains major spoilers.''' [[SchmuckBait You have been warned.]]

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'''Pre-emptive warning - anything marked "Confirmation status" contains major spoilers.spoilers that are unmarked per Administrivia/SpoilersOff.''' [[SchmuckBait You have been warned.]]



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: During KOTFE and KOTET, the Republic and Empire are essentially at a stalemate due to the Eternal Empire defeating both of them. Both still technically exist but neither side has the resources to continue the war. After the Outlander takes care of the Eternal Empire, the remaining factions do return to fighting each other, but neither has a clear advantage.]]

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: During KOTFE and KOTET, the Republic and Empire are essentially at a stalemate due to the Eternal Empire defeating both of them. Both still technically exist but neither side has the resources to continue the war. After the Outlander takes care of the Eternal Empire, the remaining factions do return to fighting each other, but neither has a clear advantage.]]
advantage.



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed. They both feature in the level 30 flashpoint, with the Republic side freeing Revan from imprisonment at the behest of the ghost of the Exile]].
* Second confirmation: The expansion Shadow of Revan [[spoiler: He's back (at least his dark side is), he's got an entire cult behind him, and the Empire ''and'' Republic have to pull and EnemyMine to stop the guy]]

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed. They both feature in the level 30 flashpoint, with the Republic side freeing Revan from imprisonment at the behest of the ghost of the Exile]].
Exile.
* Second confirmation: The expansion Shadow of Revan [[spoiler: Revan: He's back (at least his dark side is), he's got an entire cult behind him, and the Empire ''and'' Republic have to pull and EnemyMine to stop the guy]]
guy.



* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Not the case. He was "absorbed" into the Emperor's mind, which is why he was showing such restraint when dealing with the Republic... but [[NiceJobBreakingItHero then the Republic frees him, and the restraint in the Emperor's head is now gone]].]]
** Mind you, it's worth pointing out that this WMG actually has supporters within the game: [[spoiler: the head of the Revanite Order on Dromund Kaas believes it, and Imperial [=PCs=] can choose whether they believe it or not.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Not the case. He was "absorbed" into the Emperor's mind, which is why he was showing such restraint when dealing with the Republic... but [[NiceJobBreakingItHero then the Republic frees him, and the restraint in the Emperor's head is now gone]].]]
gone]].
** Mind you, it's worth pointing out that this WMG actually has supporters within the game: [[spoiler: the head of the Revanite Order on Dromund Kaas believes it, and Imperial [=PCs=] can choose whether they believe it or not.]]
not.



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Not the case. The Emperor is keeping him alive, however]].

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Not the case. The Emperor is keeping him alive, however]].
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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: The Exile is dead, but Revan has been kept alive by the Sith Emperor]].

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: The Exile is dead, but Revan has been kept alive by the Sith Emperor]].
Emperor.



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed. He features as one of the last flashpoint bosses for both factions. His death is such that a return is theoretically possible, though]].
** [[spoiler:In a teaser for ''Knights of the Fallen Empire'' shown as SDCC, Malgus is shown frozen in carbonite, in a position that indicates he was aware and in pain at the moment of freezing...]]

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed. He features as one of the last flashpoint bosses for both factions. His death is such that a return is theoretically possible, though]].
though.
** [[spoiler:In In a teaser for ''Knights of the Fallen Empire'' shown as SDCC, Malgus is shown frozen in carbonite, in a position that indicates he was aware and in pain at the moment of freezing...]]
freezing...



* Jossed: Official novels make it clear that Revan left a pregnant Bastila behind, and never had further children before [[spoiler: being trapped by the Sith Emperor.]]

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* Jossed: Official novels make it clear that Revan left a pregnant Bastila behind, and never had further children before [[spoiler: being trapped by the Sith Emperor.]]



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Unlikely, as the Sith Emperor's actions indicate he is closer to an EldritchAbomination than Plagueis is implied to be]].

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Unlikely, as the Sith Emperor's actions indicate he is closer to an EldritchAbomination than Plagueis is implied to be]].
be.



** Very plausible, in Revan [[spoiler: We learn from Lord Scourges story that a large-ish fraction of the Sith Lords under The Emperor were planning to overthrow him. In fact, they would have succeeded (with Revan aiding). It failed, though]]
* Confirmation status: [[spoiler: Confirmed big time in the Shadow of Revan expansion, to the point where the Republic and Empire ''agree'' the guy needs to be put down permanently and are willing to call a truce to accomplish it!]]

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** Very plausible, in Revan [[spoiler: We learn Revan: from Lord Scourges story that Scourge's story, a large-ish fraction of the Sith Lords under The Emperor were planning to overthrow him. In fact, they would have succeeded (with Revan aiding). It failed, though]]
though
* Confirmation status: [[spoiler: Confirmed big time in the Shadow of Revan expansion, to the point where the Republic and Empire ''agree'' the guy needs to be put down permanently and are willing to call a truce to accomplish it!]]
it!



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed to an extent; He serves as the final boss for the last flashpoint available to both factions in the original release]].


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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed to an extent; He serves as the final boss for the last flashpoint available to both factions in the original release]].

release.



** Completely Jossed. KOTOR was a self-contained game; The Sith Empire is the true Identity of KOTOR's True Sith. [[spoiler: The Exile's Ghost also appears in a Republic flashpoint]]

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** Completely Jossed. KOTOR was a self-contained game; The Sith Empire is the true Identity of KOTOR's True Sith. [[spoiler: The Exile's Ghost also appears in a Republic flashpoint]]
flashpoint.



[[WMG: The identity of the Sith Emperor is [[spoiler: [[WesternAnimation/InspectorGadget DOCTOR CLAW!]]]]]]

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[[WMG: The identity of the Sith Emperor is [[spoiler: [[WesternAnimation/InspectorGadget DOCTOR CLAW!]]]]]]CLAW!]]]]



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: The Voss and Gormak are divergent evolutions of the same source species. The species was forked by the Jedi, who altered the Voss in a long forgotten war with the Sith on Voss before recorded history. The Voss aren't thrilled when they find out that their war is a planetary family feud.]]

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: The Voss and Gormak are divergent evolutions of the same source species. The species was forked by the Jedi, who altered the Voss in a long forgotten war with the Sith on Voss before recorded history. The Voss aren't thrilled when they find out that their war is a planetary family feud.]]
feud.



*** [[spoiler: a 7th Companion Character is available to all characters: the Assassin Droid Hk-51.]]
*** [[spoiler: the 8th Companion, also available to everyone, is a female Ewok.]]
* '''Confirmation status''': Confirmed for all of it come ''Knights of the Fallen Empire'' and ''Knights of the Eternal Throne.'' Not only do you recruit an array of "classic" companions from Republic and Empire classes, but you have about a dozen new recruits. There's also a SadisticChoice [[spoiler: choosing whether Sith Warrior companion Vette or Bounty Hunter companion Torian will be killed]] and MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers [[spoiler: Republic playerc can recruit Trooper Companion M1-4x, Imperial ones get Warrior companion Pierce. At Iokath, your Outlander's loyalty choice gets you Quinn or Dorne]]. Depending on your choices, the list of potentially dead companions gets very long. [[spoiler: Kaylio, Jorgan, Senya Tirall, Arcann, Torian or Vette, Koth Vortana, Theron Shan, Malavai Quinn, Broonark, and Xalek are among those who can die.]]

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*** [[spoiler: a 7th Companion Character is available to all characters: the Assassin Droid Hk-51.]]
Hk-51.
*** [[spoiler: the 8th Companion, also available to everyone, is a female Ewok.]]
Ewok.
* '''Confirmation status''': Confirmed for all of it come ''Knights of the Fallen Empire'' and ''Knights of the Eternal Throne.'' Not only do you recruit an array of "classic" companions from Republic and Empire classes, but you have about a dozen new recruits. There's also a SadisticChoice [[spoiler: choosing whether Sith Warrior companion Vette or Bounty Hunter companion Torian will be killed]] killed and MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers [[spoiler: MutuallyExclusivePartyMembers: Republic playerc players can recruit Trooper Companion M1-4x, Imperial ones get Warrior companion Pierce. At Iokath, your Outlander's loyalty choice gets you Quinn or Dorne]]. Depending on your choices, the list of potentially dead companions gets very long. [[spoiler: Kaylio, Jorgan, Senya Tirall, Arcann, Torian or Vette, Koth Vortana, Theron Shan, Malavai Quinn, Broonark, and Xalek are among those who can die.]]
die.



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Played with. The "Emperor's Voice" acts as a conduit for the emperor's orders to the Empire, and he's gone through more than a few Voices over the years. His true body, which is working on something in secret far away, may or may not be the original anymore]].

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Played with. The "Emperor's Voice" acts as a conduit for the emperor's orders to the Empire, and he's gone through more than a few Voices over the years. His true body, which is working on something in secret far away, may or may not be the original anymore]].
anymore.



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: At least partially Jossed. Malgus dies at the end of the False Emperor Flashpoint (although given the [[DisneyVillainDeath manner of his death]], Bioware could easily bring him back). In one of the four potential endings of the Agent's first chapter, Jadus is arrested by the Dark Council for treason, although his fate afterwards is not revealed. The other three endings have Jadus remain at large.]]

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: At least partially Jossed. Malgus dies at the end of the False Emperor Flashpoint (although given the [[DisneyVillainDeath manner of his death]], Bioware could easily bring him back). In one of the four potential endings of the Agent's first chapter, Jadus is arrested by the Dark Council for treason, although his fate afterwards is not revealed. The other three endings have Jadus remain at large.]]
large.



* Jossed. He makes a physical appearance in Literature/{{Revan}}, and in one of the tie-in webcomics. [[spoiler: His then-current host was the FinalBoss for the Knight's storyline, and he's back to try and destroy everything as of Shadow of Revan]]

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* Jossed. He makes a physical appearance in Literature/{{Revan}}, and in one of the tie-in webcomics. [[spoiler: His then-current host was the FinalBoss for the Knight's storyline, and he's back to try and destroy everything as of Shadow of Revan]]
Revan.



* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler:Jossed. Janarus is either assassinated or resigns during the final chapter of the Bounty Hunter's story. Governor Saresh does take his place afterward, though.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler:Jossed.Jossed. Janarus is either assassinated or resigns during the final chapter of the Bounty Hunter's story. Governor Saresh does take his place afterward, though.]]
though.



* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Probably Jossed. The Official novels make it clear Revan and Bastilla did get married and have a child, so unless Bastilla had another child after Revan's disappearance, Satele is indeed Revan's descendant]].
* '''Further confirmation''': [[spoiler: In the Forged Alliances arc, Theron outright says he and Satele (his mother) are descended from Revan and Bastila.]]

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Probably Jossed. The Official novels make it clear Revan and Bastilla did get married and have a child, so unless Bastilla had another child after Revan's disappearance, Satele is indeed Revan's descendant]].
descendant.
* '''Further confirmation''': [[spoiler: In the Forged Alliances arc, Theron outright says he and Satele (his mother) are descended from Revan and Bastila.]]
Bastila.



* Jossed by Literature/{{Revan}}. [[spoiler:The Emperor was a Sith Lord during the Great Hyperspace War and has been pure evil for almost his entire life.]]

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* Jossed by Literature/{{Revan}}. [[spoiler:The The Emperor was a Sith Lord during the Great Hyperspace War and has been pure evil for almost his entire life.]]
life.



* Jossed by Literature/{{Revan}}. [[spoiler:The Emperor was a Sith Lord during the Great Hyperspace War and has been pure evil for almost his entire life. A force spirit who resembles Kreia in more ways than one does appear in the Sith Warrior's story, and she claims to have loved the Emperor]]


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* Jossed by Literature/{{Revan}}. [[spoiler:The The Emperor was a Sith Lord during the Great Hyperspace War and has been pure evil for almost his entire life. A force spirit who resembles Kreia in more ways than one does appear in the Sith Warrior's story, and she claims to have loved the Emperor]]

Emperor



The Entity's codex entry states she nearly wiped out the Jedi Order centuries prior to TOR. Additionally the Entity is an accomplished Seer[[spoiler:, hence why Baras enslaves her to further his plans to usurp the Emperor.]] However she mentions her resting place was disturbed, which is odd given Darth Traya's body was supposed to have been destroyed along with Malachor V.

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The Entity's codex entry states she nearly wiped out the Jedi Order centuries prior to TOR. Additionally the Entity is an accomplished Seer[[spoiler:, Seer, hence why Baras enslaves her to further his plans to usurp the Emperor.]] Emperor. However she mentions her resting place was disturbed, which is odd given Darth Traya's body was supposed to have been destroyed along with Malachor V.



* Jossed by Star Wars Galaxy. The game took place during the original trilogy - roughly 4.000 years after TOR - and HK-47 appeared in it. [[spoiler: He was a raid boss but survived the encounter.]]
** Double Jossed in fact. [[spoiler: After the Foundry, which is the Flashpoint referred to in the first entry, Darth Malgus rebuilds him. The party must defeat him as a boss in the False Emperor flashpoint, after which his remains somehow escape the explosion, where he will be rebuilt again and found on Mustafar.]]
** In fact, [[spoiler: he also shows up in ''Shadow of Revan'' in the Temple of Sacrifice operation. [[WeCanRebuildHim It's handy, being made of machine parts.]]]]

[[WMG:The Sith Emperor is [[spoiler:Emperor Palpatine]]]]

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* Jossed by Star Wars Galaxy. The game took place during the original trilogy - roughly 4.000 years after TOR - and HK-47 appeared in it. [[spoiler: He was a raid boss but survived the encounter.]]
encounter.
** Double Jossed in fact. [[spoiler: After the Foundry, which is the Flashpoint referred to in the first entry, Darth Malgus rebuilds him. The party must defeat him as a boss in the False Emperor flashpoint, after which his remains somehow escape the explosion, where he will be rebuilt again and found on Mustafar.]]
Mustafar.
** In fact, [[spoiler: he also shows up in ''Shadow of Revan'' in the Temple of Sacrifice operation. [[WeCanRebuildHim It's handy, being made of machine parts.]]]]

]]

[[WMG:The Sith Emperor is [[spoiler:Emperor Palpatine]]]]Emperor Palpatine]]



* [[spoiler: He dies at the end of the Jedi Knight plotline, so no.]]
** [[spoiler: The Sith Warrior storyline says that what the Knight killed was the Emperor's True Voice and that his actual body is somewhere else, working on something no one is entirely sure of.]]
*** [[spoiler: What this means is not clear though, we could end up having a dead Emperor but with Revan's mind. Which is awesome.]]
* Solidly jossed: ''Literature/DarthPlagueis'' shows us Palpatine's childhood on Naboo, and in ''Onslaught'' [[spoiler:Vitiakorion is KilledOffForReal]].

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* [[spoiler: He dies at the end of the Jedi Knight plotline, so no.]]
no.
** [[spoiler: The Sith Warrior storyline says that what the Knight killed was the Emperor's True Voice and that his actual body is somewhere else, working on something no one is entirely sure of.]]
of.
*** [[spoiler: What this means is not clear though, we could end up having a dead Emperor but with Revan's mind. Which is awesome.]]
awesome.
* Solidly jossed: ''Literature/DarthPlagueis'' shows us Palpatine's childhood on Naboo, and in ''Onslaught'' [[spoiler:Vitiakorion Vitiakorion is KilledOffForReal]].
KilledOffForReal.



Same voice actor? Check. MemeticBadass? Check. Also, [[spoiler:neither were killed in their boss battles (though Revan's fate is kinda ambiguous)]]. It may be more than a coincidence...

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Same voice actor? Check. MemeticBadass? Check. Also, [[spoiler:neither neither were killed in their boss battles (though Revan's fate is kinda ambiguous)]].ambiguous). It may be more than a coincidence...



* Confirmation Status: Yes and No? [[spoiler:Knights of the Fallen Empire, the upcoming expansion, indicates that a third faction abruptly appears and over the course of five years all but crushes both Empire and Republic.]]

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* Confirmation Status: Yes and No? [[spoiler:Knights Knights of the Fallen Empire, the upcoming expansion, indicates that a third faction abruptly appears and over the course of five years all but crushes both Empire and Republic.]]
Republic.



* From the looks of some leaks and recent new content, [[spoiler: the Empire is beginning to reform by being more accepting of non-humans. While this doesn't get rid of the Sith and a lot of Imperials will not like this reformation, it at least takes away one of the biggest reasons many of the remaining non-Force-users opposed the Republic]]. Most likely, the Sith will be deposed by non-Force-users when, either through the Dark Council or Emperor, the non-Force-users efforts are roadblocked and/or no longer feel a need to oppose the Republic.

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* From the looks of some leaks and recent new content, [[spoiler: the Empire is beginning to reform by being more accepting of non-humans. While this doesn't get rid of the Sith and a lot of Imperials will not like this reformation, it at least takes away one of the biggest reasons many of the remaining non-Force-users opposed the Republic]].Republic. Most likely, the Sith will be deposed by non-Force-users when, either through the Dark Council or Emperor, the non-Force-users efforts are roadblocked and/or no longer feel a need to oppose the Republic.



** One thing in favour of this theory: [=LucasArts=] has as a general policy that when given a choice between Light and Dark Side in a game, the Light Side option is canon. This means that two of the most important Sith in the Empire are effectively Lightsiders and one of the more prominent intelligence agents is likely [[spoiler: working as a double agent to ''reform the Empire from within'']].

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** One thing in favour of this theory: [=LucasArts=] has as a general policy that when given a choice between Light and Dark Side in a game, the Light Side option is canon. This means that two of the most important Sith in the Empire are effectively Lightsiders and one of the more prominent intelligence agents is likely [[spoiler: working as a double agent to ''reform the Empire from within'']].within''.



* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler:Confirmed in one of the tie-in novels.]]


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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler:Confirmed Confirmed in one of the tie-in novels.]]

novels.




* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed: Darth Malgus instigates his own by attempting to become the Emperor. The Dread Masters also develop their own plans to rule the galaxy, or bring terror to it, or whatever they really want to do.]].


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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed: Darth Malgus instigates his own by attempting to become the Emperor. The Dread Masters also develop their own plans to rule the galaxy, or bring terror to it, or whatever they really want to do.]].

do.



He's apparently second in power only to the Emperor, has grand ambitions and [[spoiler:he can learn of the Emperor's plan to become a god.]] Yes, [[spoiler:one of the outcomes of the Agent's Chapter 1 results in him being arrested, but he doesn't seem to concerned about that and we are never explicitly told that he is executed.]]


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He's apparently second in power only to the Emperor, has grand ambitions and [[spoiler:he he can learn of the Emperor's plan to become a god.]] god. Yes, [[spoiler:one one of the outcomes of the Agent's Chapter 1 results in him being arrested, but he doesn't seem to concerned about that and we are never explicitly told that he is executed.]]

executed.




He'll just find a way to accomplish his goal [[spoiler:without destroying the galaxy.]] After that, he simply won't care. Alternately, he's still scheming somewhere out there.

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He'll just find a way to accomplish his goal [[spoiler:without without destroying the galaxy.]] galaxy. After that, he simply won't care. Alternately, he's still scheming somewhere out there.



This one [[http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=676000&page=2 showed up on the official forums]] and makes a frightening amount of sense. The Cabal started with noble goals; a galaxy where the two Force-using factions were destroyed or at least rendered incapable of continuing their unceasing, civilization-wrecking religious war. Ordinary people would be free to rule, not dragged into crusades or left begging at temples. Galactic civilization would operate on money, information, technology, and reason. All of this would appeal greatly to Tharan's sensibilities, as he has a vehement dislike for mysticism and highly prizes logic, information, and luxury. The Cabal recruits some of the best and brightest non-Force Sensitives across the galaxy, and Cedrax's scientific talent does match up to his boasts, which would make him a valuable operative. It would explain a lot as to why a shopkeper and inventor like himself would take such an interest in Duras Fain's cult. It would also explain why he volunteers himself abaord the Consular's boat, even though he has no real stake in the Republic-Empire conflict (as a citizen of neutral, Hutt space) and barely knows the Consular at that point. He's there [[spoiler: like the Selkath Rift Alliance member]] to spy on the Consular, but in a better position to potentially dig up something to discredit the Order or report on Jedi limitations (by patching you up constantly, he probably has some very detailed scans).

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This one [[http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=676000&page=2 showed up on the official forums]] and makes a frightening amount of sense. The Cabal started with noble goals; a galaxy where the two Force-using factions were destroyed or at least rendered incapable of continuing their unceasing, civilization-wrecking religious war. Ordinary people would be free to rule, not dragged into crusades or left begging at temples. Galactic civilization would operate on money, information, technology, and reason. All of this would appeal greatly to Tharan's sensibilities, as he has a vehement dislike for mysticism and highly prizes logic, information, and luxury. The Cabal recruits some of the best and brightest non-Force Sensitives across the galaxy, and Cedrax's scientific talent does match up to his boasts, which would make him a valuable operative. It would explain a lot as to why a shopkeper and inventor like himself would take such an interest in Duras Fain's cult. It would also explain why he volunteers himself abaord the Consular's boat, even though he has no real stake in the Republic-Empire conflict (as a citizen of neutral, Hutt space) and barely knows the Consular at that point. He's there [[spoiler: like the Selkath Rift Alliance member]] member to spy on the Consular, but in a better position to potentially dig up something to discredit the Order or report on Jedi limitations (by patching you up constantly, he probably has some very detailed scans).



** '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler:Partially jossed, partially confirmed. At the very end of the Shadow of Revan quest, you find out that the Emperor ''was'' dead...but thanks to the casualties suffered by the Republic and Empire trying to stop Revan, the Emperor was able to revive using those casualties (though because Revan was stopped, he doesn't revive at "full power"). As of the ending of Shadow of Revan, the Emperor is again a threat.]]

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** '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler:Partially Partially jossed, partially confirmed. At the very end of the Shadow of Revan quest, you find out that the Emperor ''was'' dead...but thanks to the casualties suffered by the Republic and Empire trying to stop Revan, the Emperor was able to revive using those casualties (though because Revan was stopped, he doesn't revive at "full power"). As of the ending of Shadow of Revan, the Emperor is again a threat.]]
threat.



Yes, the tide is turning and they are backstabbing each other and yes they have lost the Emperor but they couldn't care less because the Emperor wanted to kill everyone. Let's see [[spoiler: Hoth is a huge loss for the Republic. Taris is a gigantic symbolic defeat for the Republic. Malgus decimates the Republic fleet, taking many ships with him. Corellia is annexed by the Republic, but it's primary resource is destroyed. Belsavis is anything but under Republic control anymore, and they're most likely going to lose the planet to the massive prisoner army being enlisted by the Empire.]] And the Empire is arguably the winner in Makeb having conquered the planet and taken the Isotope-5. The Sith Empire will collapse in the end, but it will be beyond the scope of the MMO. Most likely first three acts is akin to ANH where first 2 acts have the Empire winning but the Republic manages to turn the tide at the end, and then acts 4,5,6 will be an allusion to ESB and we can see the Empire winning once more, possibily with the return of the Emperor. And acts 7,8,9 will be the end with the final Death of the Emperor and the implication that the empire will fracture not long after. Furthermore with Darth Marr in charge the Empire might reform and at least last longer and turn the tide.
* Of course you could counter this by arguing that the Republic counters the "resurrected" Bane Brigade with their own OneManArmy, that the Empire spent more resources on Taris than a symbolic victory was really worth (it also was a ''big'' money pit, and the money can now be diverted to the war effort. It also got Suresh elected to Supreme Chancellor on a sympathy vote, and she makes Janarus look like a teddy bear. A former Imperial ''slave'' who lost the planet she was assigned to fight for despite her best effort? Yeah, she's going to make the Imps ''' ''pay'' '''), that Malgus caused a massive split within the Empire, that Belsavis may not be Republic-held, but is hardly under Imperial control either, and that the Empire was forced off of Balmorra despite the amount of effort invested (meaning the ''biggest'' weapons and droid factories in the Core are now under Republic friendly leadership). The Empire lost over ''ten percent'' of their forces on Corellia when they had a lower population to begin with (and are hamstrung by their FantasticRacism which limits their army to humans and Sith species only as well as their ChronicBackstabbingDisorder which further reduces their pool of ''experienced'' officers, Force Users, and spies [[spoiler: Two of the Dark Council are newbies who predictably killed their way in, Imperial Intelligence was dismantled.]]). They also have Third World infrastructure and massive inefficiency (their capital planet doesn't even have a paved road from their main city to the spaceport - everything goes marching on a dirt path through a predator-infested jungle, the slave labor pool is in a constant state of revolt, and they're building momuments to Darths' egoes instead of roads and fortifications) And then the Empire got backstabbed by the Dread Masters they free on Belsalvis (granted, they're a pain in the Republic's side, too, but the Imperials can't afford the losses nearly as much). Even if they get a Hail Mary pass with Makeb, the Empire is doing a better job of destroying themselves than they are hitting the Republic. Imperial world Ziost was wiped out by Vitiate as well.

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Yes, the tide is turning and they are backstabbing each other and yes they have lost the Emperor but they couldn't care less because the Emperor wanted to kill everyone. Let's see [[spoiler: Hoth is a huge loss for the Republic. Taris is a gigantic symbolic defeat for the Republic. Malgus decimates the Republic fleet, taking many ships with him. Corellia is annexed by the Republic, but it's primary resource is destroyed. Belsavis is anything but under Republic control anymore, and they're most likely going to lose the planet to the massive prisoner army being enlisted by the Empire.]] And the Empire is arguably the winner in Makeb having conquered the planet and taken the Isotope-5. The Sith Empire will collapse in the end, but it will be beyond the scope of the MMO. Most likely first three acts is akin to ANH where first 2 acts have the Empire winning but the Republic manages to turn the tide at the end, and then acts 4,5,6 will be an allusion to ESB and we can see the Empire winning once more, possibily with the return of the Emperor. And acts 7,8,9 will be the end with the final Death of the Emperor and the implication that the empire will fracture not long after. Furthermore with Darth Marr in charge the Empire might reform and at least last longer and turn the tide.
* Of course you could counter this by arguing that the Republic counters the "resurrected" Bane Brigade with their own OneManArmy, that the Empire spent more resources on Taris than a symbolic victory was really worth (it also was a ''big'' money pit, and the money can now be diverted to the war effort. It also got Suresh elected to Supreme Chancellor on a sympathy vote, and she makes Janarus look like a teddy bear. A former Imperial ''slave'' who lost the planet she was assigned to fight for despite her best effort? Yeah, she's going to make the Imps ''' ''pay'' '''), that Malgus caused a massive split within the Empire, that Belsavis may not be Republic-held, but is hardly under Imperial control either, and that the Empire was forced off of Balmorra despite the amount of effort invested (meaning the ''biggest'' weapons and droid factories in the Core are now under Republic friendly leadership). The Empire lost over ''ten percent'' of their forces on Corellia when they had a lower population to begin with (and are hamstrung by their FantasticRacism which limits their army to humans and Sith species only as well as their ChronicBackstabbingDisorder which further reduces their pool of ''experienced'' officers, Force Users, and spies [[spoiler: spies. Two of the Dark Council are newbies who predictably killed their way in, Imperial Intelligence was dismantled.]]).). They also have Third World infrastructure and massive inefficiency (their capital planet doesn't even have a paved road from their main city to the spaceport - everything goes marching on a dirt path through a predator-infested jungle, the slave labor pool is in a constant state of revolt, and they're building momuments to Darths' egoes instead of roads and fortifications) And then the Empire got backstabbed by the Dread Masters they free on Belsalvis (granted, they're a pain in the Republic's side, too, but the Imperials can't afford the losses nearly as much). Even if they get a Hail Mary pass with Makeb, the Empire is doing a better job of destroying themselves than they are hitting the Republic. Imperial world Ziost was wiped out by Vitiate as well.



[[WMG: Bioware knew what they were doing when they handled [[spoiler:Revan's CharacterDerailment]]]]
Bioware implied several times that they thought of [[spoiler:Revan as a woman]]. When Creator/LucasArts came along and changed that, Bioware wasn't happy and decided to get back at them by [[spoiler:turning the former badass into an insane psycho--their way of saying "You want male Revan? You can have him, along with a million brands of crazy".]]

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[[WMG: Bioware knew what they were doing when they handled [[spoiler:Revan's CharacterDerailment]]]]
Revan's CharacterDerailment]]
Bioware implied several times that they thought of [[spoiler:Revan Revan as a woman]]. woman. When Creator/LucasArts came along and changed that, Bioware wasn't happy and decided to get back at them by [[spoiler:turning turning the former badass into an insane psycho--their way of saying "You want male Revan? You can have him, along with a million brands of crazy".]]



* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion is Vitiate.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion is Vitiate.]]
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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion is Vitiate.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion is Vitiate.]]
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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion is Vitiate.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion is Vitiate.]]
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* [[spoiler:Confirmed.]]

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* [[spoiler:Confirmed.]]
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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion and Vitiate always were the same person. Valkorion mentions that he manipulated people of Zakuul into worshipping and idolizing him, which must have provided good PR.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Jossed, Valkorion and Vitiate always were the same person. Valkorion mentions that he manipulated people of Zakuul into worshipping and idolizing him, which must have provided good PR.]]



* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed as of Chapter 15. SCORPIO betrays the Alliance, seizes control of the Eternal Throne, Skytroopers, and the overwhelming majority of the Eternal Fleet by infiltrating the GEMINI Frequency that controls them. She later hands it all to Vaylin while Arcann escapes with his mother.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Confirmed as of Chapter 15. SCORPIO betrays the Alliance, seizes control of the Eternal Throne, Skytroopers, and the overwhelming majority of the Eternal Fleet by infiltrating the GEMINI Frequency that controls them. She later hands it all to Vaylin while Arcann escapes with his mother.]]
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It's at this point that she takes over Koth's role of objecting whenever the alliance risks Zakuul civilians (to his surprise, if he's still present). While this would be understandable sentiments for her to have, the fact that she only now has started voicing them indicates a change in her personality. Previously, the other pro-Zakuul voices among the main characters were Koth, and Valkorion. [[spoiler: And at approximately the same time that Valkorion leaves the Outlander to go elsewhere. Perhaps he made contact with her again while the Outlander was distracted with recruitment, then arranged for a permanent transfer later.]]

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It's at this point that she takes over Koth's role of objecting whenever the alliance risks Zakuul civilians (to his surprise, if he's still present). While this would be understandable sentiments for her to have, the fact that she only now has started voicing them indicates a change in her personality. Previously, the other pro-Zakuul voices among the main characters were Koth, and Valkorion. [[spoiler: And at approximately the same time that Valkorion leaves the Outlander to go elsewhere. Perhaps he made contact with her again while the Outlander was distracted with recruitment, then arranged for a permanent transfer later.]]
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[[spoiler: During the ending of chapter 16, Vaylin teams up with Scorpio and takes over the eternal throne. And Senya would probably try to stop her.]]

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[[spoiler: During the ending of chapter 16, Vaylin teams up with Scorpio and takes over the eternal throne. And Senya would probably try to stop her.]]
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[[WMG:SCORPIO [[PinocchioSyndrome has]] [[HiddenDepths dreams]] to become [[BecomeARealBoy organic]].]]
Played with. SCORPIO wants her children [[spoiler:to be free]].

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[[WMG:SCORPIO [[PinocchioSyndrome has]] has [[HiddenDepths dreams]] to become [[BecomeARealBoy organic]].]]
Played with. SCORPIO wants her children [[spoiler:to to be free]].
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In chapter 16, [[spoiler:you can (try to) shoot Arcann in the face without considering surrender]] and your karma meter won't budge an inch. When you are presented with the final choice, [[spoiler:try to shoot Arcann down with Senya hostage or let them go]], neither one nets you light or dark points and you can justify (or regret) your actions in a dialogue action soon after. If you refused, did you [[spoiler:let Arcann go because of hope for redemption, honor in sparing the defenseless, to save Senya, or because you wanted to school him again]]? If you accepted, did you [[spoiler:open fire because Arcann mass murdered six planets, because he can't be redeemed without Thexan, because killing him is what you promised Koth and many others, or because you simply don't show mercy]]? Rather than simply call your final choice "for the sake of good" or "for the sake of evil", the game gives your character a few reasons why they chose what they chose, and a few options saying "I don't know." or "I regret it now, what was I drunk on?" for extra ambiguity.

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In chapter 16, [[spoiler:you you can (try to) shoot Arcann in the face without considering surrender]] surrender and your karma meter won't budge an inch. When you are presented with the final choice, [[spoiler:try try to shoot Arcann down with Senya hostage or let them go]], go, neither one nets you light or dark points and you can justify (or regret) your actions in a dialogue action soon after. If you refused, did you [[spoiler:let let Arcann go because of hope for redemption, honor in sparing the defenseless, to save Senya, or because you wanted to school him again]]? again? If you accepted, did you [[spoiler:open open fire because Arcann mass murdered six planets, because he can't be redeemed without Thexan, because killing him is what you promised Koth and many others, or because you simply don't show mercy]]? mercy? Rather than simply call your final choice "for the sake of good" or "for the sake of evil", the game gives your character a few reasons why they chose what they chose, and a few options saying "I don't know." or "I regret it now, what was I drunk on?" for extra ambiguity.



The Shroud spies on both the Republic and the Empire but would soon plan to sabotage both factions. He does it by having spies planted in both factions watching the factions greatest fighters every move. Who better to recruit a droid and plant them as a mole [[spoiler: than another droid.]]

* Conformation Status: [[spoiler: We do find that The Shroud has a copy of 2V-R8 in that hall of droid heads. It's entirely possible that The Shroud simply swapped out your droid with one of her copies.]]

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The Shroud spies on both the Republic and the Empire but would soon plan to sabotage both factions. He does it by having spies planted in both factions watching the factions greatest fighters every move. Who better to recruit a droid and plant them as a mole [[spoiler: than another droid.]]

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* Conformation Status: [[spoiler: We do find that The Shroud has a copy of 2V-R8 in that hall of droid heads. It's entirely possible that The Shroud simply swapped out your droid with one of her copies.]]
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** Well that might explain how [[spoiler: The Shroud (or at least the actor Z0-0M used for The Shroud) walked right past them]] in the Shroud of Memory chapter and neither said anything.

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** Well that might explain how [[spoiler: The Shroud (or at least the actor Z0-0M used for The Shroud) walked right past them]] them in the Shroud of Memory chapter and neither said anything.



* [[spoiler: At the end of chapter 16, no matter what you choose. Senya flees the alliance with an injured Arcann. Where he might eventually be redeemed.]]
** Confirmed depending on your actions. [[spoiler:If you spare Senya, Arcann joins you. If not, he comes after you for revenge.]]

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* [[spoiler: At the end of chapter 16, no matter what you choose. Senya flees the alliance with an injured Arcann. Where he might eventually be redeemed.]]
redeemed.
** Confirmed depending on your actions. [[spoiler:If If you spare Senya, Arcann joins you. If not, he comes after you for revenge.]]
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He indulges with [[spoiler: TheDarkSide]] which caused his Padawan, Jaesa Willsaam [[spoiler:who has the unique ability to sense an individual's true nature and pierce any deception]] to join the Sith. Had he not do what he did, the threat the First Son and the Children of the Emperor posed for the Jedi would have [[StoryBreakerPower ended before it even began]].

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He indulges with [[spoiler: TheDarkSide]] TheDarkSide which caused his Padawan, Jaesa Willsaam [[spoiler:who who has the unique ability to sense an individual's true nature and pierce any deception]] deception to join the Sith. Had he not do what he did, the threat the First Son and the Children of the Emperor posed for the Jedi would have [[StoryBreakerPower ended before it even began]].



* [[spoiler: Valkorian]] may be defeated but the sith emperor might still be out there, biding his time for the perfect moment to strike again...

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* [[spoiler: Valkorian]] Valkorian may be defeated but the sith emperor might still be out there, biding his time for the perfect moment to strike again...



* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Kira and Scourge found and destroyed Vitiate's original body at the same time the Outlander defeated Valkorian. However, this led to them being infected with some kind of plague that was supposed to aid in Vitiate's return via hollowing out another body. He attempted this on Satele after she and her students arrived to save Kira and Scourge, but by the end of the events of Echoes of Oblivion, she survives with the help of the Outlander, Kira, Scourge, Arcann, Senya, Revan, and even the spirits of the Exile, Darth Marr, Vaylin, Thexan, and all of the people Vitiate and his incarnations killed, and they defeat him for good.]]


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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Kira and Scourge found and destroyed Vitiate's original body at the same time the Outlander defeated Valkorian. However, this led to them being infected with some kind of plague that was supposed to aid in Vitiate's return via hollowing out another body. He attempted this on Satele after she and her students arrived to save Kira and Scourge, but by the end of the events of Echoes of Oblivion, she survives with the help of the Outlander, Kira, Scourge, Arcann, Senya, Revan, and even the spirits of the Exile, Darth Marr, Vaylin, Thexan, and all of the people Vitiate and his incarnations killed, and they defeat him for good.]]

good.




* He is [[IHaveManyNames "The Betrayer", the "Conspirator" the "Traitor"]], the one who [[spoiler:lured the Alliance, the Republic, and the Empire to Iokath]] to get them to [[ManipulativeBastard destroy each other]].

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* He is [[IHaveManyNames "The Betrayer", the "Conspirator" the "Traitor"]], the one who [[spoiler:lured lured the Alliance, the Republic, and the Empire to Iokath]] Iokath to get them to [[ManipulativeBastard destroy each other]].



* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Sort of. When the Empire and Republic renew their war efforts, many people from both sides returned to their original factions after the Eternal Empire was defeated, forcing the Alliance to lose much of its manpower. In order to survive, they end up aligning with either the Republic or the Empire and depending on the player's decision, the Alliance may either serve as an extension of the larger faction, or they can still remain independent and continue working with either faction as an independent ally. Moreover, the player can personally side with their opposite faction while sabotaging their own as of ''Onslaught.'' For example, an Imperial player can appear to be supporting the Empire while personally sabotaging their efforts on behalf of the Republic.]]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Sort of. When the Empire and Republic renew their war efforts, many people from both sides returned to their original factions after the Eternal Empire was defeated, forcing the Alliance to lose much of its manpower. In order to survive, they end up aligning with either the Republic or the Empire and depending on the player's decision, the Alliance may either serve as an extension of the larger faction, or they can still remain independent and continue working with either faction as an independent ally. Moreover, the player can personally side with their opposite faction while sabotaging their own as of ''Onslaught.'' For example, an Imperial player can appear to be supporting the Empire while personally sabotaging their efforts on behalf of the Republic.]]
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[[spoiler:Theron's]] betrayal in Umbara was a ruse so [[spoiler:he]] could infiltrate the mysterious order by gaining their trust.
* Seems likely as of "A Traitor Among the Chiss." In the closing cutscene, [[spoiler:Theron]] hits a button just before the transmission snippet identifying the Order of [[spoiler:Zildrog]] that the Alliance "intercepted."
* [[spoiler:Confirmed by the Nathema flashpoint.]]

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[[spoiler:Theron's]] Theron's betrayal in Umbara was a ruse so [[spoiler:he]] he could infiltrate the mysterious order by gaining their trust.
* Seems likely as of "A Traitor Among the Chiss." In the closing cutscene, [[spoiler:Theron]] Theron hits a button just before the transmission snippet identifying the Order of [[spoiler:Zildrog]] Zildrog that the Alliance "intercepted."
* [[spoiler:Confirmed Confirmed by the Nathema flashpoint.]]
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* He is [[IHaveManyNames "The Betrayer", the "Conspirator" the "Traitor"]], the one who [[spoiler:lured the Alliance, the Republic, and the Empire to Iokath]] to get them to [[ManipulativeBastard destroy each]] [[KillEmAll other]].

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* He is [[IHaveManyNames "The Betrayer", the "Conspirator" the "Traitor"]], the one who [[spoiler:lured the Alliance, the Republic, and the Empire to Iokath]] to get them to [[ManipulativeBastard destroy each]] [[KillEmAll each other]].
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The Gormak are apparently AlwaysChaoticEvil, while the Voss are totalitarian. Once the chips are down, it'll turn out that the Voss are basically the Chiss UpToEleven with religious undertones, and can be just as bad, even worse than the Gormak.

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The Gormak are apparently AlwaysChaoticEvil, while the Voss are totalitarian. Once the chips are down, it'll turn out that the Voss are basically the Chiss UpToEleven up to eleven with religious undertones, and can be just as bad, even worse than the Gormak.
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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Nope. KOTFE establishes that the Republic and Empire are essentially at a stalemate due to the Eternal Empire defeating both of them. Both still technically exist but neither side has the resources to continue the war. Still unknown whether this will change after KOTET.]]

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* '''Confirmation status''': [[spoiler: Nope. During KOTFE establishes that and KOTET, the Republic and Empire are essentially at a stalemate due to the Eternal Empire defeating both of them. Both still technically exist but neither side has the resources to continue the war. Still unknown whether this will change after KOTET.After the Outlander takes care of the Eternal Empire, the remaining factions do return to fighting each other, but neither has a clear advantage.]]
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This is a conclusion I made after I played every class Light Side. It will be just like the two Germanys, where one adopt the structure of the other and reunify. Made easier by the fact, that [[BigBad the current Head of State of the Empire]] wants to [[KillThemAll KILL EVERYONE]]. The resulting EnemyMine between the eight protagonists would be a logical consequence (especially the light siders).

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This is a conclusion I made after I played every class Light Side. It will be just like the two Germanys, where one adopt the structure of the other and reunify. Made easier by the fact, that [[BigBad the current Head of State of the Empire]] wants to [[KillThemAll KILL EVERYONE]].EVERYONE. The resulting EnemyMine between the eight protagonists would be a logical consequence (especially the light siders).
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* Solidly jossed: ''Literature/DarthPlagueis'' shows us Palpatine's childhood on Naboo, and in ''Onslaught'' [[spoiler:Vitiakorion is KilledOffForReal]].

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* '''Confirmation status:''' Jossed by the ''Literature/DarthPlagueis'' novel. We're shown bits of Sheev Palpatine's childhood on Naboo.



* She's witty, vain, party loving, stylish, relatively AffablyEvil by Sith standards and if she survives is promoted to 'Darth Alluress' which just has to be a name Vowrawn picked for her.

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* She's witty, vain, party loving, stylish, relatively AffablyEvil by Sith standards and if she survives is promoted to 'Darth Alluress' which just has to be a name Vowrawn picked for her.her.

[[WMG: Darth Imperius[[note]]The expansions for some reason default to calling the Inquisitor by the lightside Imperius title.[[/note]] is the leader of the [[Literature/FateOfTheJedi Lost Tribe of the Sith]], and they're on Zakuul]]
* This theory has several components.
** During ''Literature/FateOfTheJedi'', Luke and Ben Skywalker run across a Force-user named Vestara Khai, who claims to be an ''ethnic'' Sith rather than a religious one ''a la'' the Banites (whom Luke defeated permanently in the movies), and she's waffling on actually using the dark side. She alludes to a "Lost Tribe of the Sith" in the Unknown Regions of the Galaxy Far, Far Away.
** Even if she redeemed her Force ghosts, Darth Imperius can still use the Rishi machines, and in any case she knows where Ashaa is and can seek her out again. And dealing with Vitiakorion being in her head was just like old times for her.
** The Chiss Ascendancy was in contact with the rest of the galaxy in SWTOR's time but had managed to fall off the map entirely by the movie period (c.f. ''Literature/OutboundFlight''). Why not Zakuul? [[spoiler:Zakuul does declare independence from the Alliance at the end of "The Nathema Conspiracy", but depending on the Outlander's personality they may still be welcome there.]]
** We know from other material that rather than reform into a saner and less oppressive organization, the Sith Empire continued to war with the Republic for millennia, and broke up and reformed at least once.
* So, the theory is that Imperius eventually gave up trying to change the entire Sith Order long term, and took what Sith and gray Jedi would follow her to Zakuul where they could live in relative peace--probably leaving a holocron or several behind to guide others--and became the "Lost Tribe" after the final fall of the Sith Empire at [[Literature/DarthBane the Battle of Ruusan]].
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[[WMG: What if the Empire itself pressured Vector into becoming a Killik Joiner?]]
It's left fairly ambgious, but implied that Vector may not have been given a choice in joinging the Killik hivemind. That said, while the Killik have been known to literally not understand why anyone would not want to be part of their hivemind- it would be equally in-character for Imperial scientists and/or Imperial command to decide to "volunteer" a known xenophile so they could get some measurements on what Joining does to the human body (or any number of other experiments).
*It would also serve to explain why he's so reluctant to discuss it. Vector might just have joined on his own, but if the Empire he so loved forced that choice on him without his imput? That would lead to a painful mental disonance considering he was then almost immediately subjected to a process that makes it hard to understand how your own in-group can be wrong, or how you and your in-group could be seperate entities. Divided loyalties... might not be the half of it.
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* Considering how you encounter people who's family names, like Senator Bevera Dodonna, continue for centuries, it's easy to think that killing her means you could potentially ensure the first Death Star survives, as General Jan Dodonna never commands Base One.

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* Considering how you encounter people who's family names, like Senator Bevera Dodonna, continue for centuries, it's easy to think that killing her means you could potentially ensure the first Death Star survives, as General Jan Dodonna never commands Base One.One.

[[WMG: Vaverone Zare is Darth Vowrawn's apprentice.]]
* She's witty, vain, party loving, stylish, relatively AffablyEvil by Sith standards and if she survives is promoted to 'Darth Alluress' which just has to be a name Vowrawn picked for her.
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* Shae specifically mentions that she's dead during the introductory cutscene to Jekiah Ordo and subsequent Mandalorian civil war, despite it having no bearing to the discussion. Then after dealing with Tenebrae, someone - a female Mandalorian with a personal vendetta against Shae Viszla - shows up with opposing factions united under her banner. Oh and she keeps her helmet on except when she's alone. All signs point to Heta Kol being Layla Ordo, who blames Shae and her brother Jekiah for what happened to her and wants revenge, most likely by using whatever long-buried Rakatan technology she found on Belsavis.

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* Shae specifically mentions that she's dead during the introductory cutscene to Jekiah Ordo and subsequent Mandalorian civil war, despite it having no bearing to the discussion. Then after dealing with Tenebrae, someone - a female Mandalorian with a personal vendetta against Shae Viszla - shows up with opposing factions united under her banner. Oh and she keeps her helmet on except when she's alone. All signs point to Heta Kol being Layla Ordo, who blames Shae and her brother Jekiah for what happened to her and wants revenge, most likely by using whatever long-buried Rakatan technology she found on Belsavis.Belsavis.

[[WMG: Darkside choices are called that because they end future events.]]
* Considering how you encounter people who's family names, like Senator Bevera Dodonna, continue for centuries, it's easy to think that killing her means you could potentially ensure the first Death Star survives, as General Jan Dodonna never commands Base One.
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The movies establish that the Galatic Republic did survive KOTFE, even 1000 years later (movie events). This likely means the Republic somehow destroyed the Empire and the Eternal Empire, and maybe even forgot about them, with the exception of Palpatine.

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The movies establish that the Galatic Republic did survive KOTFE, even 1000 3000 years later (movie events). This likely means the Republic somehow destroyed the Empire and the Eternal Empire, and maybe even forgot about them, with the exception of Palpatine.
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* Shae specifically mentions that she's dead during the introductory cutscene to Jekiah Ordo and subsequent Mandalorian civil war, despite it having no bearing to the discussion. Then after dealing with Tenebrae, someone - a female Mandalorian with a personal vendetta against Shae Viszla - shows up with opposing factions united under her banner. Oh and she keeps her helmet on except when she's alone. All signs point to Heta Kol being Layla Ordo, who blames Shae and maybe her brother Jekiah for what happened to her and wants revenge.

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* Shae specifically mentions that she's dead during the introductory cutscene to Jekiah Ordo and subsequent Mandalorian civil war, despite it having no bearing to the discussion. Then after dealing with Tenebrae, someone - a female Mandalorian with a personal vendetta against Shae Viszla - shows up with opposing factions united under her banner. Oh and she keeps her helmet on except when she's alone. All signs point to Heta Kol being Layla Ordo, who blames Shae and maybe her brother Jekiah for what happened to her and wants revenge.revenge, most likely by using whatever long-buried Rakatan technology she found on Belsavis.
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* The skills match, as does the underlying insanity and tendency toward plotting and scheming.

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* The skills match, as does the underlying insanity and tendency toward plotting and scheming.scheming.

[[WMG: Field Marshal Heta Kol is Layla Ordo, previously thought to be killed on Belsavis]]
* Shae specifically mentions that she's dead during the introductory cutscene to Jekiah Ordo and subsequent Mandalorian civil war, despite it having no bearing to the discussion. Then after dealing with Tenebrae, someone - a female Mandalorian with a personal vendetta against Shae Viszla - shows up with opposing factions united under her banner. Oh and she keeps her helmet on except when she's alone. All signs point to Heta Kol being Layla Ordo, who blames Shae and maybe her brother Jekiah for what happened to her and wants revenge.
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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Sort of. When the Empire and Republic renew their war efforts, many people from both sides returned to their original factions after the Eternal Empire was defeated, forcing the Alliance to lose much of its manpower. In order to survive, they end up aligning with either the Republic or the Empire and depending on the player's decision, the Alliance may either serve as an extension of the larger faction, or they can still remain independent and continue working with either faction as an independent ally. Moreover, the player can personally side with their opposite faction while sabotaging their own as of ''Onslaught.'']]

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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Sort of. When the Empire and Republic renew their war efforts, many people from both sides returned to their original factions after the Eternal Empire was defeated, forcing the Alliance to lose much of its manpower. In order to survive, they end up aligning with either the Republic or the Empire and depending on the player's decision, the Alliance may either serve as an extension of the larger faction, or they can still remain independent and continue working with either faction as an independent ally. Moreover, the player can personally side with their opposite faction while sabotaging their own as of ''Onslaught.'']]
'' For example, an Imperial player can appear to be supporting the Empire while personally sabotaging their efforts on behalf of the Republic.]]
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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Sort of. When the Empire and Republic renew their war efforts, many people from both sides returned to their original factions after the Eternal Empire was defeated, forcing the Alliance to lose much of its manpower. In order to survive, they end up aligning with either the Republic or the Empire and depending on the player's decision, the Alliance may either serve as an extension of the larger faction, or they can still remain independent and continue working with either faction as an independent ally. Moreover, the player can personally side with their opposite faction while sabotaging their own as of ''Onslaught.'']]
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* '''Confirmation Status''': [[spoiler: Kira and Scourge found and destroyed Vitiate's original body at the same time the Outlander defeated Valkorian. However, this led to them being infected with some kind of plague that was supposed to aid in Vitiate's return via hollowing out another body. He attempted this on Satele after she and her students arrived to save Kira and Scourge, but by the end of the events of Echoes of Oblivion, she survives with the help of the Outlander, Kira, Scourge, Arcann, Senya, Revan, and even the spirits of the Exile, Darth Marr, Vaylin, Thexan, and all of the people Vitiate and his incarnations killed, and they defeat him for good.]]

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* He finally shows up along with Kira and the end of ''Onslaught'' to set up a plot a bout a plague released by Vitiate's death.
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* [[spoiler: Assuming that he didn't die on Iokath, it'll be revealed that he retired from the military and ran for Supreme Chancellor, easily winning with his reputation as a war hero. His stated goal will be to restore the Republic back to it's original ideals after Saresh trashed them with her dictatorship.]]

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* [[spoiler: Assuming that he didn't die on Iokath, it'll be revealed that he retired from the military and ran for Supreme Chancellor, easily winning with his reputation as a war hero. His stated goal will be to restore the Republic back to it's original ideals after Saresh trashed them with her dictatorship.]]]]

[[WMG: Palpatine is actually the Sith Inquisitor, who has used the machines from Rishi to stay alive for thousands of years]]
* The skills match, as does the underlying insanity and tendency toward plotting and scheming.
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When the time comes for the game to end (and hopefully that's not anytime soon) it won't be a foregone conclusion that the Republic will emerge victorious in the war with the Empire. Instead, perhaps taking a page from Star Wars Galaxies' final hours, instead, the winner will be calculated via PvP victories, or something like that, on each individual server. Servers where the Republic comes out on top will be considered to be part of the "canon" universe, whereas servers where the Empire emerges victorious will instead be labelled as part of the "Infinities" alternate continuities, the Elseworlds of the Star Wars universe, divergent timelines where the Sith emerged victorious. This way Imperial players aren't necessarily always on the losing side and would also make for an interesting TwistEnding. The Force Unleashed games have already toyed with these Infinities storylines, so it's outside of the realm of possibility that Old Republic might follow suit.

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When the time comes for the game to end (and hopefully that's not anytime soon) it won't be a foregone conclusion that the Republic will emerge victorious in the war with the Empire. Instead, perhaps taking a page from Star Wars Galaxies' final hours, instead, the winner will be calculated via PvP [[PlayerVersusPlayer PvP]] victories, or something like that, on each individual server. Servers where the Republic comes out on top will be considered to be part of the "canon" universe, whereas servers where the Empire emerges victorious will instead be labelled as part of the "Infinities" alternate continuities, the Elseworlds of the Star Wars universe, divergent timelines where the Sith emerged victorious. This way Imperial players aren't necessarily always on the losing side and would also make for an interesting TwistEnding. The Force Unleashed games have already toyed with these Infinities storylines, so it's outside of the realm of possibility that Old Republic might follow suit.
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[[WMG: The Order Theron met is [[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar The Templar Order]].]]

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[[WMG: The Order Theron met is [[UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar The Templar Order]].]]

[[WMG: Jace Malcolm will become Supreme Chancellor.]]
* [[spoiler: Assuming that he didn't die on Iokath, it'll be revealed that he retired from the military and ran for Supreme Chancellor, easily winning with his reputation as a war hero. His stated goal will be to restore the Republic back to it's original ideals after Saresh trashed them with her dictatorship.
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* '''Confirmation Status''': Shae Vizla (Mandalore the Avenger) has thrown her people's lot in with the Alliance and the Outlander, which is more TakeAThirdOption than anything, though less so with an Imperial loyalist Outlander.
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How else can you explain someone like the Bounty Hunter or the Smuggler going against, and defeating, powerful Jedi Masters and deadly Sith Lords?

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How else can you explain someone like the Bounty Hunter or the Smuggler going up against, and defeating, powerful Jedi Masters and deadly Sith Lords?
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How else can you explain someone like the Bounty Hunter or the Smuggler going against, and defeating, power Jedi Masters and deadly Sith Lords?

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How else can you explain someone like the Bounty Hunter or the Smuggler going against, and defeating, power powerful Jedi Masters and deadly Sith Lords?
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How else can you explain someone like the Bounty Hunter or the Smuggler going against, and defeating, power Jedi Masters and Sith Lords?

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How else can you explain someone like the Bounty Hunter or the Smuggler going against, and defeating, power Jedi Masters and deadly Sith Lords?
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How else can you explain someone like the Smuggler or the Bounty Hunter defeating heavy hitters such as Darth Malgus and Revan?

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How else can you explain someone like the Smuggler or the Bounty Hunter defeating heavy hitters such as Darth Malgus or the Smuggler going against, and Revan?defeating, power Jedi Masters and Sith Lords?
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* Plus them being able to use the Force powers from Heroic Moment? That's not GameplayAndStorySegregation, that's just them unleashing their true power.

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* Plus them Them being able to use the Force powers from Heroic Moment? That's not GameplayAndStorySegregation, that's just them unleashing their true power.
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How else can you explain someone like the Smuggler or the Bounty Hunter defeating heavy hitters such as Darth Malgus and Revan.

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How else can you explain someone like the Smuggler or the Bounty Hunter defeating heavy hitters such as Darth Malgus and Revan.Revan?
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How else can you explain someone like the Smuggler or the Bounty Hunter defeating heavy hitters such as Darth Malgus and Revan without a little help from the Force?

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How else can you explain someone like the Smuggler or the Bounty Hunter defeating heavy hitters such as Darth Malgus and Revan without a little help from the Force? Revan.
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* Plus, them being able to use the Force powers from Heroic Moment? That's not GameplayAndStorySegregation, that's just them unleashing their true power.

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* Plus, Plus them being able to use the Force powers from Heroic Moment? That's not GameplayAndStorySegregation, that's just them unleashing their true power.

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