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* Or maybe, while the Nightcomers are focusing all their scheming attentions on Ethan and Sir Malcolm, Vanessa will turn to the one ally which they've been completely ignoring, by having Victor give her a hysterectomy. She can't very well become the "Mother of Evil" if she can't become the mother of ''anything'', and it'd serve her pursuers right for [[DidntSeeThatOneComing disregarding Frankenstein as a threat because he's "merely" an expert on science, not magic.]]
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* Or maybe, while the Nightcomers are focusing all their scheming attentions on Ethan and Sir Malcolm, Vanessa will turn to the one ally which they've been completely ignoring, by having Victor give her a hysterectomy. She can't very well become the "Mother of Evil" if she can't become the mother of ''anything'', and it'd serve her pursuers right for [[DidntSeeThatOneComing [[DidntSeeThatComing disregarding Frankenstein as a threat because he's "merely" an expert on science, not magic.]]
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[[WMG: The series takes place in the same universe as OnceUponATime[=/=]OnceUponATimeInWonderland]]
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[[WMG: The series takes place in the same universe as OnceUponATime[=/=]OnceUponATimeInWonderland]]''Series/OnceUponATime''[=/=]''Series/OnceUponATimeInWonderland'']]
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* [[Literature/TheNarrativeOfArthurGordonPym Arthur Gordon Pym]], if the Creature's ship sailed to the Antarctic not the Arctic
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* [[Literature/TheNarrativeOfArthurGordonPym [[Literature/TheNarrativeOfArthurGordonPymOfNantucket Arthur Gordon Pym]], if the Creature's ship sailed to the Antarctic not the Arctic
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* Another form of The Master! Given that Dorian and Lily are expected to serve as the BigBad of the Season 3 arc, having him turn out to be the BiggerBad would be a great twist.
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* Another form of The Master! Given that Dorian and Lily are expected to serve as the BigBad of the Season 3 arc, having him turn out to be the BiggerBad a GreaterScopeVillain would be a great twist.
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in part; he seems to be a werewolf in the style of ''Film/TheWolfman1941'', though we only see a glimpse of him. We also have hints that he is connected to the murders, and that he seems to fear he committed them, but we don't know for sure yet if he is responsible. By the end of the series, it's heavily implied he is wholly responsible for any that were not just the vampires.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in part; he seems to be a werewolf in the style of ''Film/TheWolfman1941'', though we only see a glimpse of him. We also have hints that he is connected to the murders, and that he seems to fear he committed them, but we don't know for sure yet if he is responsible. By the end of the series, it's heavily implied he is wholly responsible for any that were not just the vampires.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed, unless the Pennyverse's wendigos look just like the WolfMan.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed, unless the Pennyverse's wendigos look just like the WolfMan.]]
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* [[spoiler: Apparently jossed; see above.]]
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* [[spoiler: Apparently jossed; see above.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed. Dracula is played by Christian Camargo. However, Dracula does look completely human; he even has olive skin.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed. Dracula is played by Christian Camargo. However, Dracula does look completely human; he even has olive skin.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed; Victor performs a MercyKill and has her body on the table now.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed; Victor performs a MercyKill and has her body on the table now.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed, see above.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed, see above.]]
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* Given his actions in "Memento Mori" ([[spoiler: murdering Angelique]]) this is increasingly likely.
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* Given his actions in "Memento Mori" ([[spoiler: ( murdering Angelique]]) Angelique) this is increasingly likely.
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* [[spoiler: Jossed, he's the WolfMan. The thugs his father send to collect him suggest that the killing(s) he's wanted for in the U.S. involved a ''lot'' of blood, so probably their victims were ripped apart rather than shot.]]
* [[spoiler: Further jossed in season 3: Although Ethan may have killed as a werewolf in America as well, the murder he's wanted for is that of his U.S. Army commander, whom he shot for gloating over a massacre of Apache women and children.]]
* [[spoiler: Further jossed in season 3: Although Ethan may have killed as a werewolf in America as well, the murder he's wanted for is that of his U.S. Army commander, whom he shot for gloating over a massacre of Apache women and children.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed, he's the WolfMan. The thugs his father send to collect him suggest that the killing(s) he's wanted for in the U.S. involved a ''lot'' of blood, so probably their victims were ripped apart rather than shot.]]
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*[[spoiler: Further jossed in season 3: Although Ethan may have killed as a werewolf in America as well, the murder he's wanted for is that of his U.S. Army commander, whom he shot for gloating over a massacre of Apache women and children.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed in that Mina refers to the Master wanting Vanessa shortly before Sir Malcolm puts her down. Confirmed in that she's been actively helping him lure Vanessa into his clutches. The Master still seems to be out there.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed in that Mina refers to the Master wanting Vanessa shortly before Sir Malcolm puts her down. Confirmed in that she's been actively helping him lure Vanessa into his clutches. The Master still seems to be out there.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed. No sign of him, though it seems that what we thought were the "master" vampires are really more along the line of EliteMooks and the "true" Master (potentially Dracula) is still out there.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed. No sign of him, though it seems that what we thought were the "master" vampires are really more along the line of EliteMooks and the "true" Master (potentially Dracula) is still out there.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed that someone close to him (his wife Hannah) was transformed into a vampire, although it's unclear how much of a chance he had to try to cure her before resorting to StakingTheLovedOne.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed that someone close to him (his wife Hannah) was transformed into a vampire, although it's unclear how much of a chance he had to try to cure her before resorting to StakingTheLovedOne.]]
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* [[spoiler: In the finale, Mina claims that the Master intends to ''personally'' breed an army of offspring with Vanessa. Unless the Master ''isn't'' a vampire at all, but some kind of possessing entity that merely uses vampires as servants, it's hard to see how he could do this through Dorian.]]
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* [[spoiler: In the finale, Mina claims that the Master intends to ''personally'' breed an army of offspring with Vanessa. Unless the Master ''isn't'' a vampire at all, but some kind of possessing entity that merely uses vampires as servants, it's hard to see how he could do this through Dorian.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed in that she was never fully human (as she wasn't able to get past the Cut-Wife's supernatural barrier), but she wasn't at all a vampire. However, this has since changed after "Ebb Tide." Vanessa has allowed Dracula to bite her, which will presumably turn her into a vampire.]]
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[[spoiler:** Jossed; John Logan has said that Dorian has "seen the fall of civilizations". Also, as of Memento Mori, we've seen what is in the painting, and it looks ''old''.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed. Sorry, but Victor's necrophilia is ''exactly'' this program's flavor of creepy. He fondles the not-quite-resurrected Brona, touching her breasts and the scar tissue from his autopsy.]]
** [[spoiler: actually, I went back to re-watch S1, and Brona has a much smaller and less obvious scar than Proteus. I submit that Victor didn't ''need'' to autopsy Brona at all... that scar is from when he ''gave her a lung transplant before reviving her'', so she wouldn't be sick in her second life.]]
** [[spoiler: And it seems to be even more complicated then that. Victor confesses to Still-Dead-Brona that he "missed talking to her." Since Victor and Brona hardly knew each other, and we've yet to find out if he had other female acquaintances that only leaves one possible person he might be addressing here - his mother. Poor Victor really seems a lot more messed up than it first appeared. Necrophilia is just the tip of the iceberg here.]]
** this might verge more on Alternative Character Interpretation, but Inspector Rusk's interview with Ethan (Sir Malcolm mentions 'Christmas is coming up' near the end of S1, and Rusk speaks of 'last year') implies that at least a month or so passes between season 1 and 2; presumably to give all the characters a breather so they don't go nuts from the stress. [[spoiler: (and if Victor did switch out her diseased lungs with a healthy set, the way her scars imply, it probably took him awhile to find a good set in a notoriously filthy city like 1890's London) Victor might very well have been talking to Brona in the tank all this time, much the same way many little girls talk to their toys (I know I did); his actions towards her body in the tank could be a case of advanced anthropomorphism combined with 'wow naked chick' (because Victor has the social and sexual development of a mid-teenage boy, let's admit it).]] Which in itself isn't much less creepy, come to think of it.
** [[spoiler: actually, I went back to re-watch S1, and Brona has a much smaller and less obvious scar than Proteus. I submit that Victor didn't ''need'' to autopsy Brona at all... that scar is from when he ''gave her a lung transplant before reviving her'', so she wouldn't be sick in her second life.]]
** [[spoiler: And it seems to be even more complicated then that. Victor confesses to Still-Dead-Brona that he "missed talking to her." Since Victor and Brona hardly knew each other, and we've yet to find out if he had other female acquaintances that only leaves one possible person he might be addressing here - his mother. Poor Victor really seems a lot more messed up than it first appeared. Necrophilia is just the tip of the iceberg here.]]
** this might verge more on Alternative Character Interpretation, but Inspector Rusk's interview with Ethan (Sir Malcolm mentions 'Christmas is coming up' near the end of S1, and Rusk speaks of 'last year') implies that at least a month or so passes between season 1 and 2; presumably to give all the characters a breather so they don't go nuts from the stress. [[spoiler: (and if Victor did switch out her diseased lungs with a healthy set, the way her scars imply, it probably took him awhile to find a good set in a notoriously filthy city like 1890's London) Victor might very well have been talking to Brona in the tank all this time, much the same way many little girls talk to their toys (I know I did); his actions towards her body in the tank could be a case of advanced anthropomorphism combined with 'wow naked chick' (because Victor has the social and sexual development of a mid-teenage boy, let's admit it).]] Which in itself isn't much less creepy, come to think of it.
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed. Sorry, but Victor's necrophilia is ''exactly'' this program's flavor of creepy. He fondles the not-quite-resurrected Brona, touching her breasts and the scar tissue from his autopsy.]]
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**[[spoiler: actually, I went back to re-watch S1, and Brona has a much smaller and less obvious scar than Proteus. I submit that Victor didn't ''need'' to autopsy Brona at all... that scar is from when he ''gave her a lung transplant before reviving her'', so she wouldn't be sick in her second life.]]
life.
**[[spoiler: And it seems to be even more complicated then that. Victor confesses to Still-Dead-Brona that he "missed talking to her." Since Victor and Brona hardly knew each other, and we've yet to find out if he had other female acquaintances that only leaves one possible person he might be addressing here - his mother. Poor Victor really seems a lot more messed up than it first appeared. Necrophilia is just the tip of the iceberg here.]]
here.
** this might verge more on Alternative Character Interpretation, but Inspector Rusk's interview with Ethan (Sir Malcolm mentions 'Christmas is coming up' near the end of S1, and Rusk speaks of 'last year') implies that at least a month or so passes between season 1 and 2; presumably to give all the characters a breather so they don't go nuts from the stress.[[spoiler: (and if Victor did switch out her diseased lungs with a healthy set, the way her scars imply, it probably took him awhile to find a good set in a notoriously filthy city like 1890's London) Victor might very well have been talking to Brona in the tank all this time, much the same way many little girls talk to their toys (I know I did); his actions towards her body in the tank could be a case of advanced anthropomorphism combined with 'wow naked chick' (because Victor has the social and sexual development of a mid-teenage boy, let's admit it).]] it). Which in itself isn't much less creepy, come to think of it.
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** this might verge more on Alternative Character Interpretation, but Inspector Rusk's interview with Ethan (Sir Malcolm mentions 'Christmas is coming up' near the end of S1, and Rusk speaks of 'last year') implies that at least a month or so passes between season 1 and 2; presumably to give all the characters a breather so they don't go nuts from the stress.
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* [[spoiler: Jossed as of "Memento Mori": Lucifer and Dracula are ''both'' Fallen angels, one consigned to Hell and the other to Earth. They're brothers competing to claim the Mother of Evil.]]
** [[spoiler: "A Blade Of Grass" seems to have jossed the idea that Vanessa's demon is a manifestation of either one of them, as Amunet basically tells them ''both'' to fuck off and die when they try to seduce an institutionalized Vanessa.]]
** [[spoiler: "A Blade Of Grass" seems to have jossed the idea that Vanessa's demon is a manifestation of either one of them, as Amunet basically tells them ''both'' to fuck off and die when they try to seduce an institutionalized Vanessa.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed as of "Memento Mori": Lucifer and Dracula are ''both'' Fallen angels, one consigned to Hell and the other to Earth. They're brothers competing to claim the Mother of Evil.]]
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**[[spoiler: "A Blade Of Grass" seems to have jossed the idea that Vanessa's demon is a manifestation of either one of them, as Amunet basically tells them ''both'' to fuck off and die when they try to seduce an institutionalized Vanessa.]]
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* [[spoiler: Called it! The Creature has a flashback to his human life in the Season 3 premiere.]]
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In a ''Film/RosemarysBaby'' type situation. It has already been revealed that [[spoiler: the Master intends to personally populate the world with their offspring]], and Vanessa has been characterized as maternal at several important junctures; [[spoiler: her demonic entity]] wishes her to become [[spoiler: the "Mother of Darkness,]], and the captured [[spoiler: vampire teen]] refers to her as "mother".
* Or maybe, while the Nightcomers are focusing all their scheming attentions on Ethan and Sir Malcolm, [[spoiler: Vanessa will turn to the one ally which they've been completely ignoring, by having Victor give her a hysterectomy. She can't very well become the "Mother of Evil" if she can't become the mother of ''anything'', and it'd serve her pursuers right for [[DidntSeeThatOneComing disregarding Frankenstein as a threat because he's "merely" an expert on science, not magic.]]]]
* Or maybe, while the Nightcomers are focusing all their scheming attentions on Ethan and Sir Malcolm, [[spoiler: Vanessa will turn to the one ally which they've been completely ignoring, by having Victor give her a hysterectomy. She can't very well become the "Mother of Evil" if she can't become the mother of ''anything'', and it'd serve her pursuers right for [[DidntSeeThatOneComing disregarding Frankenstein as a threat because he's "merely" an expert on science, not magic.]]]]
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In a ''Film/RosemarysBaby'' type situation. It has already been revealed that [[spoiler: the Master intends to personally populate the world with their offspring]], offspring, and Vanessa has been characterized as maternal at several important junctures; [[spoiler: her demonic entity]] entity wishes her to become [[spoiler: the "Mother of Darkness,]], Darkness,, and the captured [[spoiler: vampire teen]] teen refers to her as "mother".
* Or maybe, while the Nightcomers are focusing all their scheming attentions on Ethan and Sir Malcolm,[[spoiler: Vanessa will turn to the one ally which they've been completely ignoring, by having Victor give her a hysterectomy. She can't very well become the "Mother of Evil" if she can't become the mother of ''anything'', and it'd serve her pursuers right for [[DidntSeeThatOneComing disregarding Frankenstein as a threat because he's "merely" an expert on science, not magic.]]]]
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* Or maybe, while the Nightcomers are focusing all their scheming attentions on Ethan and Sir Malcolm,
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* [[spoiler: Jossed by "Memento Mori"; Angelique is mortal enough to die when Dorian poisons her for discovering his portrait, and it was ''Dracula'' who got kicked out of Heaven along with Lucifer.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed by "Memento Mori"; Angelique is mortal enough to die when Dorian poisons her for discovering his portrait, and it was ''Dracula'' who got kicked out of Heaven along with Lucifer.]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed; Christian Camargo is playing Dracula.]]
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[[spoiler: The trailer for 2x08 shows that Angelique somehow lays eyes on Dorian's portrait.]] In an attempt to a) become ageless and forever beautiful herself b) stay with Dorian forever and c) become female in truth, Angelique will attempt to replicate the process with a portrait of her own. However (possibly due to Dorian himself not really understanding how it works - he never worked out the 'whys' of it in the original story) it goes wrong, trapping Angelique in a flip-flop male/female state.
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Victor already feels at least partially responsible for the murders the Creature's committed. How much worse will he feel if Lily [[spoiler: continues killing, and turns into the Victorian version of Aileen Wuornos]], Wuornos, especially since he only resurrected her because of the Creatures threats/pleas/successful guilt trips? trips?
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It animates to look up when he [[spoiler: murders Angelique]], which may be the first step in its eventual escape from the bondage of paint and canvas. Eventually he'll commit a final villainous deed and it'll erupt from the painting to lunge at him, leading Dorian to stab his corrupted image and die himself.
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It animates to look up when he [[spoiler: murders Angelique]], Angelique, which may be the first step in its eventual escape from the bondage of paint and canvas. Eventually he'll commit a final villainous deed and it'll erupt from the painting to lunge at him, leading Dorian to stab his corrupted image and die himself.
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** In the end, this was all Jossed: [[spoiler: He's escorting Ethan back to America to meet his fate. The closest thing he's done to an outright evil deed is holding back on extraditing him simply out of his need for closure on the killings]]. So now...
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** In the end, this was all Jossed: [[spoiler: He's escorting Ethan back to America to meet his fate. The closest thing he's done to an outright evil deed is holding back on extraditing him simply out of his need for closure on the killings]].killings. So now...
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Season 2 ended with two regulars dead, and with the remaining characters separated by great physical and/or emotional distances, Rusk becoming a member of Team Dreadful could be useful. Not only will he [[spoiler: help Ethan escape the hangman]] hangman (because ''someone'' has to do that -- in fact, he will do that even if he ''isn't'' a regular, and then get bumped off if need be), his fascination with the mysteries surrounding our antiheroes will be because he's no mere handicapped, curious {{Muggle}} but because he's one or a combination of the following...
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Sembene is '''the''' EnsembleDarkhorse of ''Penny Dreadful'', yet he still hasn't had his backstory episode, and as of 2x10 is [[spoiler: dead at Ethan's fangs]]. A quick browse of message boards, etc. shows that this has not gone over well with many fans, in part because of its unfortunate implications. It's time for an AuthorsSavingThrow. In Season 3, he will [[spoiler: be revived in Africa -- perhaps as a zombie, which would add another cool creature to the cast]].
* Alternately, Sembene will [[spoiler: come back as a ghost. We haven't seen a proper Pennyverse ghost yet, which is a ''huge'' lapse in a series inspired by Victorian horror literature]]. He'd be able to continue his role as the [[SpiritAdvisor quiet dispenser of wisdom]] to the group, potentially [[spoiler: manifesting before each of the others to draw them back together]], however scattered they might be. And even his backstory would fit, because [[spoiler: for once, it'd make perfect karmic sense for a ghost to be draped in chains, as per tradition, without need for Dickensian symbolism to justify it: he'd be paying the price for his slave-trading days when ''he'd'' chained people up]].
* Alternately, Sembene will [[spoiler: come back as a ghost. We haven't seen a proper Pennyverse ghost yet, which is a ''huge'' lapse in a series inspired by Victorian horror literature]]. He'd be able to continue his role as the [[SpiritAdvisor quiet dispenser of wisdom]] to the group, potentially [[spoiler: manifesting before each of the others to draw them back together]], however scattered they might be. And even his backstory would fit, because [[spoiler: for once, it'd make perfect karmic sense for a ghost to be draped in chains, as per tradition, without need for Dickensian symbolism to justify it: he'd be paying the price for his slave-trading days when ''he'd'' chained people up]].
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Sembene is '''the''' EnsembleDarkhorse of ''Penny Dreadful'', yet he still hasn't had his backstory episode, and as of 2x10 is [[spoiler: dead at Ethan's fangs]].fangs. A quick browse of message boards, etc. shows that this has not gone over well with many fans, in part because of its unfortunate implications. It's time for an AuthorsSavingThrow. In Season 3, he will [[spoiler: be revived in Africa -- perhaps as a zombie, which would add another cool creature to the cast]].
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* Alternately, Sembene will[[spoiler: come back as a ghost. We haven't seen a proper Pennyverse ghost yet, which is a ''huge'' lapse in a series inspired by Victorian horror literature]]. literature. He'd be able to continue his role as the [[SpiritAdvisor quiet dispenser of wisdom]] to the group, potentially [[spoiler: manifesting before each of the others to draw them back together]], together, however scattered they might be. And even his backstory would fit, because [[spoiler: for once, it'd make perfect karmic sense for a ghost to be draped in chains, as per tradition, without need for Dickensian symbolism to justify it: he'd be paying the price for his slave-trading days when ''he'd'' chained people up]].
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* Alternately, Sembene will
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** [[spoiler: Confirmed. Shazad Latif has been cast as Dr. Jekyll.]]
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** [[spoiler: Jossed, possibly forever: the producers ''wanted'' him for Season 3, but he's not PublicDomain and they couldn't get the rights to use him.]]
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** [[spoiler: Semi-confirmed. John Logan says that ''Carmilla'' has inspired one relationship every season - Vanessa and Mina in season 1, Evelyn and Hecate in season 2, and Lily and Justine in season 3.]]
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** [[spoiler: Semi-confirmed. John Logan says that ''Carmilla'' has inspired one relationship every season - Vanessa and Mina in season 1, Evelyn and Hecate in season 2, and Lily and Justine in season 3.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: It will be revealed that Sembene is a witch doctor with influence over the dead.]] ]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Hyde is either in complete control or is slowly but surely taking over Jekyll.]] ]]
[[spoiler: In the two episodes we've seen him in (as of May 9th), Jekyll has been doing some ''seriously'' nasty things, chief of which being planning to brainwash Lily so she can essentially be Victor's love slave. Given how, in the story, Hyde was steadily supplanting Jekyll, and we know that by the time he is introduced in the show, Jekyll has already been performing his experiments, it would make sense if it was revealed that he had already used himself as a test subject and is now either fully taken over by Hyde, or is starting to be.]]
* [[spoiler: Or we're seeing elements of his evil side now, which will ''become'' Hyde when he starts playing ProfessorGuineaPig. Once that happens, the aspect of him that continues to answer to the name "Jekyll" will be left a much better person, morally, and be repulsed by his own prior misbehavior; unfortunately, without his bitterness or anger he'll no longer have the drive to defeat his other self.]]
[[spoiler: In the two episodes we've seen him in (as of May 9th), Jekyll has been doing some ''seriously'' nasty things, chief of which being planning to brainwash Lily so she can essentially be Victor's love slave. Given how, in the story, Hyde was steadily supplanting Jekyll, and we know that by the time he is introduced in the show, Jekyll has already been performing his experiments, it would make sense if it was revealed that he had already used himself as a test subject and is now either fully taken over by Hyde, or is starting to be.]]
* [[spoiler: Or we're seeing elements of his evil side now, which will ''become'' Hyde when he starts playing ProfessorGuineaPig. Once that happens, the aspect of him that continues to answer to the name "Jekyll" will be left a much better person, morally, and be repulsed by his own prior misbehavior; unfortunately, without his bitterness or anger he'll no longer have the drive to defeat his other self.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Hyde is either in complete control or is slowly but surely taking over Jekyll.]] Jekyll. ]]
[[spoiler: In the two episodes we've seen him in (as of May 9th), Jekyll has been doing some ''seriously'' nasty things, chief of which being planning to brainwash Lily so she can essentially be Victor's love slave. Given how, in the story, Hyde was steadily supplanting Jekyll, and we know that by the time he is introduced in the show, Jekyll has already been performing his experiments, it would make sense if it was revealed that he had already used himself as a test subject and is now either fully taken over by Hyde, or is starting to be.]]
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*[[spoiler: Or we're seeing elements of his evil side now, which will ''become'' Hyde when he starts playing ProfessorGuineaPig. Once that happens, the aspect of him that continues to answer to the name "Jekyll" will be left a much better person, morally, and be repulsed by his own prior misbehavior; unfortunately, without his bitterness or anger he'll no longer have the drive to defeat his other self.]]
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[[WMG: Dracula killed [[spoiler: the orderly.]]]]
He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on [[spoiler: the body being stolen by resurrection men and reanimated by Frankenstein]] before it could rise from the grave. This would account for [[spoiler: the Creature's pale skin and strange eye color: he was just starting the process of reviving as an undead ''before'' Victor ran all those volts through him]], and he woke up as something else instead.
He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on [[spoiler: the body being stolen by resurrection men and reanimated by Frankenstein]] before it could rise from the grave. This would account for [[spoiler: the Creature's pale skin and strange eye color: he was just starting the process of reviving as an undead ''before'' Victor ran all those volts through him]], and he woke up as something else instead.
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[[WMG: Dracula killed [[spoiler: the orderly.]]]]
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He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on[[spoiler: the body being stolen by resurrection men and reanimated by Frankenstein]] Frankenstein before it could rise from the grave. This would account for [[spoiler: the Creature's pale skin and strange eye color: he was just starting the process of reviving as an undead ''before'' Victor ran all those volts through him]], him, and he woke up as something else instead.
He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on
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* Vanessa will [[spoiler: return from the dead. How is anyone's guess. Time-travel? Vampirism? Does a guilt ridden John Clare force Victor to bring her back?]] And we might actually find out what the HELL Amunet is.
** Judging from the newly released comic covers for issues 1-2, Ethan will travel to Egypt to revive Vanessa/Amunet.
* The mummy will be the villain of the first arc.
* Ethan finds out about Brona.
** Judging from the newly released comic covers for issues 1-2, Ethan will travel to Egypt to revive Vanessa/Amunet.
* The mummy will be the villain of the first arc.
* Ethan finds out about Brona.
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* Vanessa will [[spoiler: return from the dead. How is anyone's guess. Time-travel? Vampirism? Does a guilt ridden John Clare force Victor to bring her back?]] back? And we might actually find out what the HELL Amunet is.
** Judging from the newly released comic covers for issues 1-2, Ethan will travel to Egypt to reviveVanessa/Amunet.
Vanessa/Amunet.
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* The mummy will be the villain of the first
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In a Rosemary's Baby type situation. It has already been revealed that [[spoiler: the Master intends to personally populate the world with their offspring]], and Vanessa has been characterized as maternal at several important junctures; [[spoiler: her demonic entity]] wishes her to become [[spoiler: the "Mother of Darkness,]], and the captured [[spoiler: vampire teen]] refers to her as "mother".
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In a Rosemary's Baby ''Film/RosemarysBaby'' type situation. It has already been revealed that [[spoiler: the Master intends to personally populate the world with their offspring]], and Vanessa has been characterized as maternal at several important junctures; [[spoiler: her demonic entity]] wishes her to become [[spoiler: the "Mother of Darkness,]], and the captured [[spoiler: vampire teen]] refers to her as "mother".
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The England presented in the show show remarkable similarities to the one Alice is from: a slightly anachronistic snowy Victorian landscape where all the characters from literature and mythos are true, but with their own spins and changes. The madhouse Alice is forced into even resembles the one Vanessa is locked in: right down to the forced attempt at drilling into both girl's skulls. The show presents the looming specter of industrialization/modernization but never fully plunges into it because time isn't actually moving in the Penny Dreadful verse, it's another bubble of story-telling, a snapshot of time against which the dramas of the characters can unfold but nothing ''really'' changes. It will always be the Gothic demimonde-world teetering on the edge of modernisation where supernatural battles can play out.
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The England presented in the show show has remarkable similarities to the one Alice is from: a slightly anachronistic snowy Victorian landscape where all the characters from literature and mythos are true, but with their own spins and changes. The madhouse Alice is forced into even resembles the one Vanessa is locked in: right down to the forced attempt at drilling into both girl's skulls. The show presents the looming specter of industrialization/modernization but never fully plunges into it because time isn't actually moving in the Penny Dreadful verse, it's another bubble of story-telling, a snapshot of time against which the dramas of the characters can unfold but nothing ''really'' changes. It will always be the Gothic demimonde-world teetering on the edge of modernisation where supernatural battles can play out.
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[[WMG: [[CthulhuMythos Randolph Carter]] will get an EarlyBirdCameo.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in part; he seems to be a werewolf in the style of ''Film/TheWolfman1941'', though we only see a glimpse of him. We also have hints that he is connected to the murders, and that he seems to fear he committed them, but we don't know for sure yet if he is responsible.]]
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in part; he seems to be a werewolf in the style of ''Film/TheWolfman1941'', though we only see a glimpse of him. We also have hints that he is connected to the murders, and that he seems to fear he committed them, but we don't know for sure yet if he is responsible. By the end of the series, it's heavily implied he is wholly responsible for any that were not just the vampires.]]
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* TheHunter.
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* TheHunter.A HunterOfMonsters
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[[WMG: When he appears, Dracula/Satan/Amon Ra/The Master will be played by Creator/MadsMikelsen]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed again when referring to Satan; it seems as though Satan doesn't really have a physical form and can only appear to Vanessa as people she knows.]]
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Its speech to her about wanting her to rule with "over a dark, scorched, dead world" is similar to Sutekh's speech in "Pyramids of Mars" about "leaving nothing but dust and darkness." Of course, since this is PennyDreadful and not Series/DoctorWho, this version of Sutekh decides to throw in some good old Catholic guilt as well.
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Its speech to her about wanting her to rule with "over a dark, scorched, dead world" is similar to Sutekh's speech in "Pyramids of Mars" about "leaving nothing but dust and darkness." Of course, since this is PennyDreadful ''Penny Dreadful'' and not Series/DoctorWho, ''Series/DoctorWho'', this version of Sutekh decides to throw in some good old Catholic guilt as well.
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* Ethan finds out about Bruna.
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* Ethan finds out about Bruna.Brona.
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* Catriona is the Time Traveler, or his daughter at least.
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* Catriona is the Time Traveler, or his daughter at least.least.
* The reveal of Dracula's true form.
* The reveal of Dracula's true form.
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Where there's ancient Egyptian magic involved, he can never be too far behind.
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Where there's ancient Egyptian magic involved, he can never be too far behind.behind.
[[WMG: In the upcoming comics...]]
Now that a sequel comic has been announced, things not covered in the show that might happen...
*Vanessa will [[spoiler: return from the dead. How is anyone's guess. Time-travel? Vampirism? Does a guilt ridden John Clare force Victor to bring her back?]] And we might actually find out what the HELL Amunet is.
*The mummy will be the villain of the first arc.
*Ethan finds out about Bruna.
*Sir Malcolm dies at some point given how high father figures and mentors' mortality rates are in fiction.
*Carmilla will appear at some point. Bonus if she's a past lover of Dorian's.
*Lily will team up with "Lord Hyde" at some point as both want revenge on Victorian society for the mistreatment they suffered at the hands at European patriarchy.
*Dracula vs. Ethan at long last!
*Seward will develop witch powers.
*Catriona is the Time Traveler, or his daughter at least.
[[WMG: In the upcoming comics...]]
Now that a sequel comic has been announced, things not covered in the show that might happen...
*Vanessa will [[spoiler: return from the dead. How is anyone's guess. Time-travel? Vampirism? Does a guilt ridden John Clare force Victor to bring her back?]] And we might actually find out what the HELL Amunet is.
*The mummy will be the villain of the first arc.
*Ethan finds out about Bruna.
*Sir Malcolm dies at some point given how high father figures and mentors' mortality rates are in fiction.
*Carmilla will appear at some point. Bonus if she's a past lover of Dorian's.
*Lily will team up with "Lord Hyde" at some point as both want revenge on Victorian society for the mistreatment they suffered at the hands at European patriarchy.
*Dracula vs. Ethan at long last!
*Seward will develop witch powers.
*Catriona is the Time Traveler, or his daughter at least.
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They might not be as strong or apparent as her ancestor Joan's, but it seems highly possible, especially after her success with Vanessa's hypnotism in "A Blade of Grass." That hypnotism could be more than just psychological; it was so immersive that it could easily be magical in some way.
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They might not be as strong or apparent as her ancestor Joan's, but it seems highly possible, especially after her success with Vanessa's hypnotism in "A Blade of Grass." That hypnotism could be more than just psychological; it was so immersive that it could easily be magical in some way.way.
[[WMG: Dracula has been working with Imhotep the Mummy]]
Where there's ancient Egyptian magic involved, he can never be too far behind.
[[WMG: Dracula has been working with Imhotep the Mummy]]
Where there's ancient Egyptian magic involved, he can never be too far behind.
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** [[spoiler: Jossed in that she was never fully human (as she wasn't able to get past the Cut-Wife's supernatural barrier), but she wasn't at all a vampire. However, this has since changed after "Ebb Tide." Vanessa has allowed Dracula to turn her into a vampire.]]
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** [[spoiler: Jossed. Dracula is played by Christian Camargo. However, Dracula does look completely human; he even has olive skin.]]
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** [[spoiler: Jossed in that she was never fully human (as she wasn't able to get past the Cut-Wife's supernatural barrier), but she wasn't at all a vampire. However, this has since changed after "Ebb Tide." Vanessa has allowed Dracula to turn her into a vampire.]]
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* Alternately, Sembene could have been born in Senegal but moved to Zanzibar because of his work as a slave trader. Slavery had been abolished in Senegal by French back in the 1850s, but persisted in Zanzibar until 1873.
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* Alternately, Sembene could have been born in Senegal but moved to Zanzibar because of his work as a slave trader. Slavery had been abolished in Senegal by the French back in the 1850s, but persisted in Zanzibar until 1873.
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* [[Jossed; Ethan's father seems unaware of his son's lycanthropy, and wants Ethan back to force him to atone for giving Kaetenay's Apaches information about the Talbot ranch's defenses.]]
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* [[Jossed; [[spoiler: Jossed; Ethan's father seems unaware of his son's lycanthropy, and wants Ethan back to force him to atone for giving Kaetenay's Apaches information about the Talbot ranch's defenses.]]
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* [[Jossed; Ethan's father seems unaware of his son's lycanthropy, and wants Ethan back to force him to atone for giving Kaetenay's Apaches information about the Talbot ranch's defenses.]]
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* [[spoiler: Further jossed in season 3: Although Ethan may have killed as a werewolf in America as well, the murder he's wanted for is that of his U.S. Army commander, whom he shot for gloating over a massacre of Apache women and children.]]
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He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on [[spoiler: the body being stolen by resurrection men and reanimated by Frankenstein]] before it could rise from the grave. This would account for [[spoiler: the Creature's pale skin and strange eye color: he was just starting the process of reviving as an undead ''before'' Victor ran all those volts through him]], and he woke up as something else instead.
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He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on [[spoiler: the body being stolen by resurrection men and reanimated by Frankenstein]] before it could rise from the grave. This would account for [[spoiler: the Creature's pale skin and strange eye color: he was just starting the process of reviving as an undead ''before'' Victor ran all those volts through him]], and he woke up as something else instead.instead.
[[WMG: Dr. Seward has latent witch powers.]]
They might not be as strong or apparent as her ancestor Joan's, but it seems highly possible, especially after her success with Vanessa's hypnotism in "A Blade of Grass." That hypnotism could be more than just psychological; it was so immersive that it could easily be magical in some way.
[[WMG: Dr. Seward has latent witch powers.]]
They might not be as strong or apparent as her ancestor Joan's, but it seems highly possible, especially after her success with Vanessa's hypnotism in "A Blade of Grass." That hypnotism could be more than just psychological; it was so immersive that it could easily be magical in some way.
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[[WMG: Dracula killed [[spoiler: the orderly]].]]
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* Alternately, Sembene could have been born in Senegal but moved to Zanzibar because of his work as a slave trader. Slavery had been abolished in Senegal by French back in the 1850s, but persisted in Zanzibar until 1873.
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* Alternately, Sembene could have been born in Senegal but moved to Zanzibar because of his work as a slave trader. Slavery had been abolished in Senegal by French back in the 1850s, but persisted in Zanzibar until 1873.1873.
[[WMG: Dracula killed [[spoiler: the orderly]].]]
He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on [[spoiler: the body being stolen by resurrection men and reanimated by Frankenstein]] before it could rise from the grave. This would account for [[spoiler: the Creature's pale skin and strange eye color: he was just starting the process of reviving as an undead ''before'' Victor ran all those volts through him]], and he woke up as something else instead.
[[WMG: Dracula killed [[spoiler: the orderly]].]]
He'd intended to make him into one of his vampires, which (like Mina) could influence Vanessa by playing off their previous friendship. But he didn't count on [[spoiler: the body being stolen by resurrection men and reanimated by Frankenstein]] before it could rise from the grave. This would account for [[spoiler: the Creature's pale skin and strange eye color: he was just starting the process of reviving as an undead ''before'' Victor ran all those volts through him]], and he woke up as something else instead.
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Because he's [[Series/Hannibal already playing]] a Dracula/Satan-esque character with aplomb, and he's already shared the screen with Eva Green in ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006''.
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Because he's [[Series/Hannibal [[Series/{{Hannibal}} already playing]] a Dracula/Satan-esque character with aplomb, and he's already shared the screen with Eva Green in ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006''.
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[[spoiler: When he appears, Dracula/Satan/Amon Ra/The Master will be played by Creator/MadsMikelsen]]
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* [[spoiler: Jossed; Christian Camargo is playing Dracula.]]
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Malcolm may have ''already'' brought Sembene home to Senegal, then traveled to East Africa in order to retrieve his son's body and bring it back to England as he'd once planned to. However, when he found himself back in the region where he'd gone exploring in decades past, the place had changed so much for the worse that he got terribly depressed, and ended up drowning his sorrows in seedy taverns instead. He wound up in Zanzibar thinking to catch a ship for home from there, but never actually booked passage because he was too depressed.
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Malcolm may have ''already'' brought Sembene home to Senegal, then traveled to East Africa in order to retrieve his son's body and bring it back to England as he'd once planned to. However, when he found himself back in the region where he'd gone exploring in decades past, the place had changed so much for the worse that he got terribly depressed, and ended up drowning his sorrows in seedy taverns instead. He wound up in Zanzibar thinking to catch a ship for home from there, but never actually booked passage because he was too depressed.depressed.
* Alternately, Sembene could have been born in Senegal but moved to Zanzibar because of his work as a slave trader. Slavery had been abolished in Senegal by French back in the 1850s, but persisted in Zanzibar until 1873.
* Alternately, Sembene could have been born in Senegal but moved to Zanzibar because of his work as a slave trader. Slavery had been abolished in Senegal by French back in the 1850s, but persisted in Zanzibar until 1873.