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* Premise 2: Ronaldo and Makoto have a healthy serving of FoeYay in their scenes together.
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* Premise 2: Ronaldo and Makoto have a healthy serving of FoeYay tension in their scenes together.
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* The Triangulum steal the Heavenly Throne out from under Alcor, and he goes to earth to warn everyone. In a display of GenreSavvy, the first thing the Triangulum do with the Akashic Record is [[RetGone remove the protagonist from it.]] In his absence, Yamato leads everyone against the Triangulum, but Arcturus delivers a TotalPartyKill. Before Yamato succumbs to his injuries, Alcor devises a plan and sneaks Yamato into the Akashic Stratum through a backdoor to add the protagonist back into reality.
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* The Triangulum steal the Heavenly Throne out from under Alcor, and he goes to earth to warn everyone. In a display of GenreSavvy, the The first thing the Triangulum do with the Akashic Record is [[RetGone remove the protagonist from it.]] In his absence, Yamato leads everyone against the Triangulum, but Arcturus delivers a TotalPartyKill. Before Yamato succumbs to his injuries, Alcor devises a plan and sneaks Yamato into the Akashic Stratum through a backdoor to add the protagonist back into reality.
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Being the mind of the universe, it's impossible to kill him even if you ''do'' get around the Factors. It's just that, upon having been defeated, he suffered a massive glitch and underwent a backup procedure that is effectively [[KnowWhenToFoldEm "you win some, you lose some"]]-he was reborn into a form that accepted "Humanity is worthy of existence, along with the potential alternate universe that they created for themselves" as part of the Akashic Record, thus saving the Record ''itself'' by changing it to fit an unfixable problem. In effect, he redefined humanity from "bug" to "feature". Mostly because I have a hard time believing there is ''no'' previous sapient species that hasn't pulled off that trick, if only because of raw probability.
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Being the mind of the universe, it's impossible to kill him even if you ''do'' get around the Factors. It's just that, upon having been defeated, he suffered a massive glitch and underwent a backup procedure that is effectively [[KnowWhenToFoldEm "you win some, you lose some"]]-he was reborn into a form that accepted "Humanity is worthy of existence, along with the potential alternate universe that they created for themselves" as part of the Akashic Record, thus saving the Record ''itself'' by changing it to fit an unfixable problem. In effect, he redefined humanity from "bug" to "feature". Mostly because I have a hard time believing there is ''no'' previous sapient species that hasn't pulled off that trick, if only because of raw probability.probability.
[[WMG: Ronaldo becomes mainline SMT YHVH.]]
Ronaldo's path in the Triangulum Arc involves everyone holding a portion of the administrative authority over the world. If he killed everyone and took the authority himself, as he has shown himself willing to cross the MoralEventHorizon, and said that he would be willing to kill anyone who opposed his world of equality, he could become equivalent to an Administrator. Since he is obsessed with justice, fighting admins forever and alone could drive him insane to think he is God and has the right to judge and control everyone, which would explain why YHVH diverges from the biblical idea of God supporting free will. He may not have created his world of equality yet because the war against the Administrators isn't over yet, so every SMT game might be another world shaped by Ronaldo / YHVH to fight another admin who doesn't show up during that game. Also, Yamato seems to be a more honest, reasonable version of Lucifer, so Lucifer could have been Ronaldo turning the idea of Yamato, who he hates, into a [[WarOnStraw strawman]] who is even named Lucifer to reflect Ronaldo's absolute hatred, and who YHVH is eventually deluded into thinking is actually the devil.
[[WMG: Ronaldo becomes mainline SMT YHVH.]]
Ronaldo's path in the Triangulum Arc involves everyone holding a portion of the administrative authority over the world. If he killed everyone and took the authority himself, as he has shown himself willing to cross the MoralEventHorizon, and said that he would be willing to kill anyone who opposed his world of equality, he could become equivalent to an Administrator. Since he is obsessed with justice, fighting admins forever and alone could drive him insane to think he is God and has the right to judge and control everyone, which would explain why YHVH diverges from the biblical idea of God supporting free will. He may not have created his world of equality yet because the war against the Administrators isn't over yet, so every SMT game might be another world shaped by Ronaldo / YHVH to fight another admin who doesn't show up during that game. Also, Yamato seems to be a more honest, reasonable version of Lucifer, so Lucifer could have been Ronaldo turning the idea of Yamato, who he hates, into a [[WarOnStraw strawman]] who is even named Lucifer to reflect Ronaldo's absolute hatred, and who YHVH is eventually deluded into thinking is actually the devil.
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Being the mind of the universe, it's impossible to kill him even if you ''do'' get around the Factors. It's just that, upon having been defeated, he suffered a massive glitch and underwent a backup procedure that is effectively [[KnowWhenToFoldEm "you win some, you lose some"]]-he was reborn into a form that accepted "Humanity is worthy of existence, along with the potential alternate universe that they created for themselves" as part of the Akashic Record, thus saving the Record ''itself'' by changing it to fit unfixable problem. In effect, he redefined humanity from "bug" to "feature".
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Being the mind of the universe, it's impossible to kill him even if you ''do'' get around the Factors. It's just that, upon having been defeated, he suffered a massive glitch and underwent a backup procedure that is effectively [[KnowWhenToFoldEm "you win some, you lose some"]]-he was reborn into a form that accepted "Humanity is worthy of existence, along with the potential alternate universe that they created for themselves" as part of the Akashic Record, thus saving the Record ''itself'' by changing it to fit an unfixable problem. In effect, he redefined humanity from "bug" to "feature". Mostly because I have a hard time believing there is ''no'' previous sapient species that hasn't pulled off that trick, if only because of raw probability.
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Likely shortened into an [=OVA=]. The Record Breaker route will be picked and contain ''a lot'' of ShipTease moments between the protagonist and every other of the female party members ([[AmbiguouslyGay and Yamato]]). But it will be made obvious that Miyako and the Protagonist are the OfficialCouple.
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Likely shortened into an [=OVA=]. The Record Breaker route will be picked and contain ''a lot'' of ShipTease moments between the protagonist and every other of the female party members ([[AmbiguouslyGay and Yamato]]). But it will be made obvious that Miyako and the Protagonist are the OfficialCouple.OfficialCouple.
[[WMG:Canopus isn't actually dead.]]
Being the mind of the universe, it's impossible to kill him even if you ''do'' get around the Factors. It's just that, upon having been defeated, he suffered a massive glitch and underwent a backup procedure that is effectively [[KnowWhenToFoldEm "you win some, you lose some"]]-he was reborn into a form that accepted "Humanity is worthy of existence, along with the potential alternate universe that they created for themselves" as part of the Akashic Record, thus saving the Record ''itself'' by changing it to fit unfixable problem. In effect, he redefined humanity from "bug" to "feature".
[[WMG:Canopus isn't actually dead.]]
Being the mind of the universe, it's impossible to kill him even if you ''do'' get around the Factors. It's just that, upon having been defeated, he suffered a massive glitch and underwent a backup procedure that is effectively [[KnowWhenToFoldEm "you win some, you lose some"]]-he was reborn into a form that accepted "Humanity is worthy of existence, along with the potential alternate universe that they created for themselves" as part of the Akashic Record, thus saving the Record ''itself'' by changing it to fit unfixable problem. In effect, he redefined humanity from "bug" to "feature".
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[[WMG: Makoto's death clip is a SelfFulfillingProphesy]]
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[[WMG: Makoto's death clip is a SelfFulfillingProphesy]]SelfFulfillingProphecy]]
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* The protagonist regains consciousness partway through the transfer. Tico refreshes his memory, but lets him believe this is the third timeline instead of the fourth. Yamato is not presently part of reality, so in his absence, Miyako leads Jps. However, the Protagonist's existence is not fully stabilized: whenever the Triangulum realize he exists, they try to write him out of reality again.
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* The protagonist regains consciousness partway through the transfer. Tico refreshes his memory, but lets him believe this is the third timeline instead of the fourth. Yamato is not presently part of reality, so in his absence, Miyako leads Jps. However, the Protagonist's existence is not fully stabilized: whenever the Triangulum realize he exists, they try to write him out of reality again.again.
[[WMG: The Triangulum Arc will gets its own anime]]
Likely shortened into an [=OVA=]. The Record Breaker route will be picked and contain ''a lot'' of ShipTease moments between the protagonist and every other of the female party members ([[AmbiguouslyGay and Yamato]]). But it will be made obvious that Miyako and the Protagonist are the OfficialCouple.
[[WMG: The Triangulum Arc will gets its own anime]]
Likely shortened into an [=OVA=]. The Record Breaker route will be picked and contain ''a lot'' of ShipTease moments between the protagonist and every other of the female party members ([[AmbiguouslyGay and Yamato]]). But it will be made obvious that Miyako and the Protagonist are the OfficialCouple.
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* Jossed. None of them die during the cycle. [[spoiler: They did die during the previous-cycle, as the Triangulum Arc takes place in a ''third'' cycle.]]
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Gender-fixing
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* Actually, there's another thing that gives credence to this theory (that De Su 2 is the prequel of De Su). In fact, there is a mild possibility that De Su 2 ''is the prequel to ALL SMT timeline'', thanks to MeaningfulName. See, according to Polaris, the Heavenly Throne (and thus the Akashic Record) that he rules over will be handed over to '''Eli''' the next time. Eli is one name given to God (who has also been called YHVH, among other things). That may mean that the YHVH whom we see in the usual SMT universe may actually be this Eli who inherited the Heavenly Throne from Polaris (assuming the endings where he gets killed doesn't take place). As such, this YHVH is not the all-omnigod from the Christianity, but just an Akashic Record admin, explaining why he may be susceptible to some unpleasant personalities (such as Nyarlathotep).
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* Actually, there's another thing that gives credence to this theory (that De Su 2 is the prequel of De Su). In fact, there is a mild possibility that De Su 2 ''is the prequel to ALL SMT timeline'', thanks to MeaningfulName. See, according to Polaris, the Heavenly Throne (and thus the Akashic Record) that he she rules over will be handed over to '''Eli''' the next time. Eli is one name given to God (who has also been called YHVH, among other things). That may mean that the YHVH whom we see in the usual SMT universe may actually be this Eli who inherited the Heavenly Throne from Polaris (assuming the endings where he she gets killed doesn't take place). As such, this YHVH is not the all-omnigod from the Christianity, but just an Akashic Record admin, explaining why why, nigh-omnipotent as he may be susceptible to be, he's not above [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu getting smacked by some unpleasant personalities (such as Nyarlathotep).
of our SMT heroes]].
On the flip-side, though, apparently the names of the Heavenly Throne successors seem to have been re-translated in [=DeSu 2: RB=]; The name Eli may have been a misnomer now, but who knows.
On the flip-side, though, apparently the names of the Heavenly Throne successors seem to have been re-translated in [=DeSu 2: RB=]; The name Eli may have been a misnomer now, but who knows.
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Then maybe we can finally go to [[RunningGag East Timor]]!
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Then maybe we can finally go to [[RunningGag East Timor]]!Timor]]!
[[WMG: Record Breaker takes four or more timelines to set up.]]
*It begins with Daichi's Restorer ending - but not the triumphant variant. Polaris immediately begins the ordeal again.
*Next is the Golden ending Record Breaker shows. WistfulAmnesia allows the protagonist to befriend everyone more quickly and pull all 14 characters onto the same team. Polaris is killed off for real, and Alcor takes the Heaveanly throne.
* The Triangulum steal the Heavenly Throne out from under Alcor, and he goes to earth to warn everyone. In a display of GenreSavvy, the first thing the Triangulum do with the Akashic Record is [[RetGone remove the protagonist from it.]] In his absence, Yamato leads everyone against the Triangulum, but Arcturus delivers a TotalPartyKill. Before Yamato succumbs to his injuries, Alcor devises a plan and sneaks Yamato into the Akashic Stratum through a backdoor to add the protagonist back into reality.
* The protagonist regains consciousness partway through the transfer. Tico refreshes his memory, but lets him believe this is the third timeline instead of the fourth. Yamato is not presently part of reality, so in his absence, Miyako leads Jps. However, the Protagonist's existence is not fully stabilized: whenever the Triangulum realize he exists, they try to write him out of reality again.
[[WMG: Record Breaker takes four or more timelines to set up.]]
*It begins with Daichi's Restorer ending - but not the triumphant variant. Polaris immediately begins the ordeal again.
*Next is the Golden ending Record Breaker shows. WistfulAmnesia allows the protagonist to befriend everyone more quickly and pull all 14 characters onto the same team. Polaris is killed off for real, and Alcor takes the Heaveanly throne.
* The Triangulum steal the Heavenly Throne out from under Alcor, and he goes to earth to warn everyone. In a display of GenreSavvy, the first thing the Triangulum do with the Akashic Record is [[RetGone remove the protagonist from it.]] In his absence, Yamato leads everyone against the Triangulum, but Arcturus delivers a TotalPartyKill. Before Yamato succumbs to his injuries, Alcor devises a plan and sneaks Yamato into the Akashic Stratum through a backdoor to add the protagonist back into reality.
* The protagonist regains consciousness partway through the transfer. Tico refreshes his memory, but lets him believe this is the third timeline instead of the fourth. Yamato is not presently part of reality, so in his absence, Miyako leads Jps. However, the Protagonist's existence is not fully stabilized: whenever the Triangulum realize he exists, they try to write him out of reality again.
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Shortly before confronting Polaris, Hibiki checks his phone to see how he managed to create Lucifer, sees his system email, realizes what an idiot he's been, then cracks Victory Cry from one of Polaris' guardians and beats it down.
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Shortly before confronting Polaris, Hibiki checks his phone to see how he managed to create Lucifer, sees his system email, realizes what an idiot he's been, then cracks Victory Cry from one of Polaris' guardians and beats it down.down.
[[WMG: Devil Survivor 3 will let you travel outside Japan]]
Then maybe we can finally go to [[RunningGag East Timor]]!
[[WMG: Devil Survivor 3 will let you travel outside Japan]]
Then maybe we can finally go to [[RunningGag East Timor]]!
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* Characters who would likely have been better suited would be Fumi, Otome, and Yamato. Yamato obviously needs to run the ritual, even if he was willing to risk his own death. Fumi and Otome have niches in the organization besides battle, - Computer Science and Medicine - while also outclassing Io in combat abilities, which from [=JPs=] point of view is all Io has (On the other hand, Otome might have died already). Even if Yamato wasn't sore about the spoilered event, he'd still see Io as being more disposable than the other magic users.
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* Characters who would likely have been better suited would be Fumi, Otome, and Yamato. Yamato obviously needs to run the ritual, even if he was willing to risk his own death. Fumi and Otome have niches in the organization besides battle, - Computer Science and Medicine - while also outclassing Io in combat abilities, which from [=JPs=] point of view is all Io has (On the other hand, Otome might have died already). Even if Yamato wasn't sore about the spoilered event, he'd still see Io as being more disposable than the other magic users.users.
[[WMG: They Did have access to Skill Crack and Demon Fusion the entire time in the anime]]
...But everyone was too much of an idiot to read the tutorial emails. Alcor didn't mention it in person because he assumed the humans had decided to do a SelfImposedChallenge.
Shortly before confronting Polaris, Hibiki checks his phone to see how he managed to create Lucifer, sees his system email, realizes what an idiot he's been, then cracks Victory Cry from one of Polaris' guardians and beats it down.
[[WMG: They Did have access to Skill Crack and Demon Fusion the entire time in the anime]]
...But everyone was too much of an idiot to read the tutorial emails. Alcor didn't mention it in person because he assumed the humans had decided to do a SelfImposedChallenge.
Shortly before confronting Polaris, Hibiki checks his phone to see how he managed to create Lucifer, sees his system email, realizes what an idiot he's been, then cracks Victory Cry from one of Polaris' guardians and beats it down.
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The events of the first and second games take place in the same world, specifically the reset ending where you put everything back the way it was before. Afterwards, time has reset, but without Polaris to run things, Yaweh slips in and starts gaining influence, leading to his own trial in Desu 1. Not only that, the heroes of Desu2 still exist in this game, and since a few of them live in Tokyo, they will get to [[SarcasmMode re-experience the joy of fighting demons.]]
* Actually, there's another thing that gives credence to this theory (that DeSu2 is the prequel of DeSu). In fact, there is a mild possibility that DeSu2 ''is the prequel to ALL SMT timeline'', thanks to MeaningfulName. See, according to Polaris, the Heavenly Throne (and thus the Akashic Record) that he rules over will be handed over to '''Eli''' the next time. Eli is one name given to God (who has also been called YHVH, among other things). That may mean that the YHVH whom we see in the usual SMT universe may actually be this Eli who inherited the Heavenly Throne from Polaris (assuming the endings where he gets killed doesn't take place). As such, this YHVH is not the all-omnigod from the Christianity, but just an Akashic Record admin, explaining why he may be susceptible to some unpleasant personalities (such as Nyarlathotep).
* Actually, there's another thing that gives credence to this theory (that DeSu2 is the prequel of DeSu). In fact, there is a mild possibility that DeSu2 ''is the prequel to ALL SMT timeline'', thanks to MeaningfulName. See, according to Polaris, the Heavenly Throne (and thus the Akashic Record) that he rules over will be handed over to '''Eli''' the next time. Eli is one name given to God (who has also been called YHVH, among other things). That may mean that the YHVH whom we see in the usual SMT universe may actually be this Eli who inherited the Heavenly Throne from Polaris (assuming the endings where he gets killed doesn't take place). As such, this YHVH is not the all-omnigod from the Christianity, but just an Akashic Record admin, explaining why he may be susceptible to some unpleasant personalities (such as Nyarlathotep).
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The events of the first and second games take place in the same world, specifically the reset ending where you put everything back the way it was before. Afterwards, time has reset, but without Polaris to run things, Yaweh slips in and starts gaining influence, leading to his own trial in Desu 1. Not only that, the heroes of Desu2 Desu 2 still exist in this game, and since a few of them live in Tokyo, they will get to [[SarcasmMode re-experience the joy of fighting demons.]]
* Actually, there's another thing that gives credence to this theory (thatDeSu2 De Su 2 is the prequel of DeSu). De Su). In fact, there is a mild possibility that DeSu2 De Su 2 ''is the prequel to ALL SMT timeline'', thanks to MeaningfulName. See, according to Polaris, the Heavenly Throne (and thus the Akashic Record) that he rules over will be handed over to '''Eli''' the next time. Eli is one name given to God (who has also been called YHVH, among other things). That may mean that the YHVH whom we see in the usual SMT universe may actually be this Eli who inherited the Heavenly Throne from Polaris (assuming the endings where he gets killed doesn't take place). As such, this YHVH is not the all-omnigod from the Christianity, but just an Akashic Record admin, explaining why he may be susceptible to some unpleasant personalities (such as Nyarlathotep).
* Actually, there's another thing that gives credence to this theory (that
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* Actually, there's another thing that gives credence to this theory (that DeSu2 is the prequel of DeSu). In fact, there is a mild possibility that DeSu2 ''is the prequel to ALL SMT timeline'', thanks to MeaningfulName. See, according to Polaris, the Heavenly Throne (and thus the Akashic Record) that he rules over will be handed over to '''Eli''' the next time. Eli is one name given to God (who has also been called YHVH, among other things). That may mean that the YHVH whom we see in the usual SMT universe may actually be this Eli who inherited the Heavenly Throne from Polaris (assuming the endings where he gets killed doesn't take place). As such, this YHVH is not the all-omnigod from the Christianity, but just an Akashic Record admin, explaining why he may be susceptible to some unpleasant personalities (such as Nyarlathotep).
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Furthermore in [[DevilSurvivor Overclocked]], if you complete Naoya's 8th Day and choose [[spoiler:to protect humanity with the power of Bel and drive away the angels, God respectfully moves the war between the forces of Heaven and Hell to the outer planes so that humanity, the people he so loved, won't be dragged into the conflict anymore.]] It's not unlikely that [[spoiler:The Anguished One saw Hibiki in the young King of Bel (in that he's doing the same thing), and remembered his promise to let humanity do its own thing.]]
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Furthermore in [[DevilSurvivor [[VideoGame/DevilSurvivor Overclocked]], if you complete Naoya's 8th Day and choose [[spoiler:to protect humanity with the power of Bel and drive away the angels, God respectfully moves the war between the forces of Heaven and Hell to the outer planes so that humanity, the people he so loved, won't be dragged into the conflict anymore.]] It's not unlikely that [[spoiler:The Anguished One saw Hibiki in the young King of Bel (in that he's doing the same thing), and remembered his promise to let humanity do its own thing.]]
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[[WMG: The anime is a prequel to the first DevilSurvivor.]]
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[[WMG: The anime is a prequel to the first DevilSurvivor.VideoGame/DevilSurvivor.]]
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[[WMG: DevilSurvivor2 Devil Survivor 2 is a prequel to DevilSurvivor]]VideoGame/DevilSurvivor]]
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[[WMG: Break Record will have a bonus battle agains [[DevilSurvivor the heroes of first game.]]]]
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[[WMG: Break Record will have a bonus battle agains [[DevilSurvivor [[VideoGame/DevilSurvivor the heroes of first game.]]]]
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When Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Io to become Lugh's host]] knowing that the chosen person may get killed, he doesn't do it because the chosen has the required aptitude, but rather out of spite because [[spoiler:he and Io had an argument earlier about Yamato's merit system earlier before Lugh's host is chosen]], and he's not happy about it. Sure, Otome says that the choice is based on physical data that she took a few days prior, but who's to say that Yamato doesn't tamper the ''criteria'' even if he can't tamper the data? So when Hinako fears that Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Lugh's host based on whom he won't miss]], she was ''spot on''.
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When Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Io to become Lugh's host]] knowing that the chosen person may get killed, he doesn't do it because the chosen has the required aptitude, but rather out of spite because [[spoiler:he and Io had an argument earlier about Yamato's merit system earlier before Lugh's host is chosen]], and he's not happy about it. Sure, Otome says that the choice is based on physical data that she took a few days prior, but who's to say that Yamato doesn't tamper the ''criteria'' even if he can't tamper the data? So when Hinako fears that Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Lugh's host based on whom he won't miss]], she was ''spot on''.on''.
*Characters who would likely have been better suited would be Fumi, Otome, and Yamato. Yamato obviously needs to run the ritual, even if he was willing to risk his own death. Fumi and Otome have niches in the organization besides battle, - Computer Science and Medicine - while also outclassing Io in combat abilities, which from [=JPs=] point of view is all Io has (On the other hand, Otome might have died already). Even if Yamato wasn't sore about the spoilered event, he'd still see Io as being more disposable than the other magic users.
*Characters who would likely have been better suited would be Fumi, Otome, and Yamato. Yamato obviously needs to run the ritual, even if he was willing to risk his own death. Fumi and Otome have niches in the organization besides battle, - Computer Science and Medicine - while also outclassing Io in combat abilities, which from [=JPs=] point of view is all Io has (On the other hand, Otome might have died already). Even if Yamato wasn't sore about the spoilered event, he'd still see Io as being more disposable than the other magic users.
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Also, who you fight will be determined by who you have in your party at the time. If you have Io and Daichi, then Yuzu and Atsuro will be there. If you have Otome, then Mari will show up. each member of your party will be matched by their closest Desu 1 counterpart.
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Also, who you fight will be determined by who you have in your party at the time. If you have Io and Daichi, then Yuzu and Atsuro will be there. If you have Otome, then Mari will show up. each member of your party will be matched by their closest Desu 1 counterpart.counterpart.
[[WMG: Yamato does not use merit criteria when choosing [[spoiler:Io to become Lugh's host.]]]]
When Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Io to become Lugh's host]] knowing that the chosen person may get killed, he doesn't do it because the chosen has the required aptitude, but rather out of spite because [[spoiler:he and Io had an argument earlier about Yamato's merit system earlier before Lugh's host is chosen]], and he's not happy about it. Sure, Otome says that the choice is based on physical data that she took a few days prior, but who's to say that Yamato doesn't tamper the ''criteria'' even if he can't tamper the data? So when Hinako fears that Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Lugh's host based on whom he won't miss]], she was ''spot on''.
[[WMG: Yamato does not use merit criteria when choosing [[spoiler:Io to become Lugh's host.]]]]
When Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Io to become Lugh's host]] knowing that the chosen person may get killed, he doesn't do it because the chosen has the required aptitude, but rather out of spite because [[spoiler:he and Io had an argument earlier about Yamato's merit system earlier before Lugh's host is chosen]], and he's not happy about it. Sure, Otome says that the choice is based on physical data that she took a few days prior, but who's to say that Yamato doesn't tamper the ''criteria'' even if he can't tamper the data? So when Hinako fears that Yamato chooses [[spoiler:Lugh's host based on whom he won't miss]], she was ''spot on''.
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[[WMG: Break Record will have a bonus battle agains [[DevilSurvivor the heroes of first game.]]
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The events of the first and second games take place in the same world, specifically the reset ending where you put everything back the way it was before. Afterwards, time has reset, but without Polaris to run things, Yaweh slips in and starts gaining influence, leading to his own trial in Desu 1. Not only that, the heroes of Desu2 still exist in this game, and since a few of them live in Tokyo, they will get to [[SarcasmMode re-experience the joy of fighting demons.]]
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The events of the first and second games take place in the same world, specifically the reset ending where you put everything back the way it was before. Afterwards, time has reset, but without Polaris to run things, Yaweh slips in and starts gaining influence, leading to his own trial in Desu 1. Not only that, the heroes of Desu2 still exist in this game, and since a few of them live in Tokyo, they will get to [[SarcasmMode re-experience the joy of fighting demons.]]]]
[[WMG: Break Record will have a bonus battle agains [[DevilSurvivor the heroes of first game.]]
If the two games are in different worlds, then Desu 1 protagonist and his buddies will cross over. If not, then they will just be there since all the mains of the original game live in Tokyo. The reasons for this battle with be:
1) Polaris and Yaweh decide to pit the two groups against each other, with the caveat that only the winning team will get to fight their respective final boss (so this would be in the overlord Ending for the Desu 1 group). Both groups are 100% aware that if they win, the other groups world will be completely doomed as well, just to add nice amounts of Angst and desperation to both sides.
2) Desu 1 hero has gone full overlord, and after beating Yaweh, becomes equally tyrannical. He learns of other worlds, and decides to conquer them as well, starting with the Desu 2 world. Just to twist the knife, he uses his overlord awesomeness to brainwash those who had previously turned against him into fighting with him, with the exception of [[AFriendInNeed Atsuro]], who still stays loyal even now, in hopes of bringing his buddy back to his old self.
3) No explanation. The old heroes show up, and the two groups just fight it out.
Also, who you fight will be determined by who you have in your party at the time. If you have Io and Daichi, then Yuzu and Atsuro will be there. If you have Otome, then Mari will show up. each member of your party will be matched by their closest Desu 1 counterpart.
[[WMG: Break Record will have a bonus battle agains [[DevilSurvivor the heroes of first game.]]
If the two games are in different worlds, then Desu 1 protagonist and his buddies will cross over. If not, then they will just be there since all the mains of the original game live in Tokyo. The reasons for this battle with be:
1) Polaris and Yaweh decide to pit the two groups against each other, with the caveat that only the winning team will get to fight their respective final boss (so this would be in the overlord Ending for the Desu 1 group). Both groups are 100% aware that if they win, the other groups world will be completely doomed as well, just to add nice amounts of Angst and desperation to both sides.
2) Desu 1 hero has gone full overlord, and after beating Yaweh, becomes equally tyrannical. He learns of other worlds, and decides to conquer them as well, starting with the Desu 2 world. Just to twist the knife, he uses his overlord awesomeness to brainwash those who had previously turned against him into fighting with him, with the exception of [[AFriendInNeed Atsuro]], who still stays loyal even now, in hopes of bringing his buddy back to his old self.
3) No explanation. The old heroes show up, and the two groups just fight it out.
Also, who you fight will be determined by who you have in your party at the time. If you have Io and Daichi, then Yuzu and Atsuro will be there. If you have Otome, then Mari will show up. each member of your party will be matched by their closest Desu 1 counterpart.
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[[WMG: DevilSurvivor2 is a prequel to DevilSurvivor]]
The events of the first and second games take place in the same world, specifically the reset ending where you put everything back the way it was before. Afterwards, time has reset, but without Polaris to run things, Yaweh slips in and starts gaining influence, leading to his own trial in Desu 1. Not only that, the heroes of Desu2 still exist in this game, and since a few of them live in Tokyo, they will get to [[SarcasmMode re-experience the joy of fighting demons.]]
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* Conclusion 2: Ronaldo had been debating whether or not to use lethal force. Receiving the death clip led to his decision to go through with it. (If Keita has died, the party's attitude is subtly different enough that he is influenced to not follow through, since on some level he already knows that Yamato's forces are sufficiently weakened.)
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* Conclusion 2: Ronaldo had been debating whether or not to use lethal force. Receiving the death clip led to his decision to go through with it. (If Keita has died, the party's attitude is subtly different enough that he is influenced to not follow through, since on some level he already knows that Yamato's forces are sufficiently weakened.))
[[WMG: Polaris dies because It is forced to grant the party's wish for It to die.]]
[[WMG: Polaris dies because It is forced to grant the party's wish for It to die.]]
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So why the ordeals after promising [[spoiler: to let humanity decide its own fate? Because he's pissed off that, after all the sacrifice the cast of Devil Survivor 2 went through, humanity clings to the voice of one King (in this case, Nimrod during the ordeal of the Tower of Babel), and abuses the powers of the demons when they should be forging the world on their own terms. ]] He's testing humanity to see if they deserve [[spoiler: the ability to choose that Hibiki and his friends fought so hard for. ]]
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So why the ordeals after promising [[spoiler: to let humanity decide its own fate? Because he's pissed off that, after all the sacrifice the cast of Devil Survivor 2 went through, humanity clings to the voice of one King (in this case, Nimrod during the ordeal of the Tower of Babel), and abuses the powers of the demons when they should be forging the world on their own terms. ]] He's testing humanity to see if they deserve [[spoiler: the ability to choose that Hibiki and his friends fought so hard for. ]]
Furthermore in [[DevilSurvivor Overclocked]], if you complete Naoya's 8th Day and choose [[spoiler:to protect humanity with the power of Bel and drive away the angels, God respectfully moves the war between the forces of Heaven and Hell to the outer planes so that humanity, the people he so loved, won't be dragged into the conflict anymore.]] It's not unlikely that [[spoiler:The Anguished One saw Hibiki in the young King of Bel (in that he's doing the same thing), and remembered his promise to let humanity do its own thing.]]
Furthermore in [[DevilSurvivor Overclocked]], if you complete Naoya's 8th Day and choose [[spoiler:to protect humanity with the power of Bel and drive away the angels, God respectfully moves the war between the forces of Heaven and Hell to the outer planes so that humanity, the people he so loved, won't be dragged into the conflict anymore.]] It's not unlikely that [[spoiler:The Anguished One saw Hibiki in the young King of Bel (in that he's doing the same thing), and remembered his promise to let humanity do its own thing.]]
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* Contributing factor: Jips redshirts are much more ruthless in dealing with the rioters. While their civilian helpers simply destroys their ability to fight, Jips soldiers have been inflicting heavy casualties on them offscreen (as noted in Ronaldo's Fate Link).
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* Contributing factor: Jips redshirts are much more ruthless in dealing with the rioters. While their civilian helpers simply destroys destroy their ability to fight, Jips soldiers have been inflicting heavy casualties on them offscreen (as noted in Ronaldo's Fate Link).
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Premise 1: Death clips are sent to friends of the victim.
Premise 2: Ronaldo and Makoto have a healthy serving of FoeYay in their scenes together.
Conclusion 1: Ronaldo received the Death clip for Makoto, which depicted him killing her.
Contributing factor: Jips redshirts are much more ruthless in dealing with the rioters. While their civilian helpers simply destroys their ability to fight, Jips soldiers have been inflicting heavy casualties on them offscreen (as noted in Ronaldo's Fate Link).
Conclusion 2: Ronaldo had been debating whether or not to use lethal force. Receiving the death clip led to his decision to go through with it. (If Keita has died, the party's attitude is subtly different enough that he is influenced to not follow through, since on some level he already knows that Yamato's forces are sufficiently weakened.)
Premise 2: Ronaldo and Makoto have a healthy serving of FoeYay in their scenes together.
Conclusion 1: Ronaldo received the Death clip for Makoto, which depicted him killing her.
Contributing factor: Jips redshirts are much more ruthless in dealing with the rioters. While their civilian helpers simply destroys their ability to fight, Jips soldiers have been inflicting heavy casualties on them offscreen (as noted in Ronaldo's Fate Link).
Conclusion 2: Ronaldo had been debating whether or not to use lethal force. Receiving the death clip led to his decision to go through with it. (If Keita has died, the party's attitude is subtly different enough that he is influenced to not follow through, since on some level he already knows that Yamato's forces are sufficiently weakened.)
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* If Ronaldo's fate is high enough, Makoto will never get a death clip. It will be replaced by Fumi's, as Ronaldo takes revenge for the generic Office Lady she kills at the start of the battle. If Fumi does die here, a generic [=JPs=] member will give the characters her exposition, and Trumpeter will be a boss.
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* If Ronaldo's fate is high enough, Makoto will never get a death clip. It will be replaced by Fumi's, as Ronaldo takes revenge for the generic Office Lady she kills at the start of the battle. If Fumi does die here, a generic [=JPs=] member will give the characters her exposition, and Trumpeter will be a boss.boss.
[[WMG: Makoto's death clip is a SelfFulfillingProphesy]]
Premise 1: Death clips are sent to friends of the victim.
Premise 2: Ronaldo and Makoto have a healthy serving of FoeYay in their scenes together.
Conclusion 1: Ronaldo received the Death clip for Makoto, which depicted him killing her.
Contributing factor: Jips redshirts are much more ruthless in dealing with the rioters. While their civilian helpers simply destroys their ability to fight, Jips soldiers have been inflicting heavy casualties on them offscreen (as noted in Ronaldo's Fate Link).
Conclusion 2: Ronaldo had been debating whether or not to use lethal force. Receiving the death clip led to his decision to go through with it. (If Keita has died, the party's attitude is subtly different enough that he is influenced to not follow through, since on some level he already knows that Yamato's forces are sufficiently weakened.)
[[WMG: Makoto's death clip is a SelfFulfillingProphesy]]
Premise 1: Death clips are sent to friends of the victim.
Premise 2: Ronaldo and Makoto have a healthy serving of FoeYay in their scenes together.
Conclusion 1: Ronaldo received the Death clip for Makoto, which depicted him killing her.
Contributing factor: Jips redshirts are much more ruthless in dealing with the rioters. While their civilian helpers simply destroys their ability to fight, Jips soldiers have been inflicting heavy casualties on them offscreen (as noted in Ronaldo's Fate Link).
Conclusion 2: Ronaldo had been debating whether or not to use lethal force. Receiving the death clip led to his decision to go through with it. (If Keita has died, the party's attitude is subtly different enough that he is influenced to not follow through, since on some level he already knows that Yamato's forces are sufficiently weakened.)
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* If Ronaldo's fate is high enough, Makoto will never get a death clip. It will be replaced by Fumi's, as Ronaldo takes revenge for the generic Office Lady she kills at the start of the battle. If Fumi does die here, a generic [=JPs=] member will give the characters her information on Trumpeter.
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* If Ronaldo's fate is high enough, Makoto will never get a death clip. It will be replaced by Fumi's, as Ronaldo takes revenge for the generic Office Lady she kills at the start of the battle. If Fumi does die here, a generic [=JPs=] member will give the characters her information on Trumpeter.exposition, and Trumpeter will be a boss.
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* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states the names of those who have sat in the Heavenly Throne before him, and his successor will be [[spoiler: Errai]]. In DS2: BR, if Restorer is canon, he either takes over the throne and decides to test humanity once more, or if Kingmaker is canon, [[spoiler: takes it back from Alcor and punishes humanity for their involvement.]]
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* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states the names of those who have sat in the Heavenly Throne before him, and his successor will be [[spoiler: Errai]]. In DS2: BR, if Restorer is canon, he either takes over the throne and decides to test humanity once more, or if Kingmaker is canon, [[spoiler: takes it back from Alcor and punishes humanity for their involvement.]]]]
[[WMG: Break Record will tweak scenes in it's port of the original Devil Survivor 2.]]
* Keita's fate events will either never involve Jungo, or will allow the protagonist to tell Jungo to stop trying to befriend him.
* If Makoto's Fate is high enough, she will not be a member of Yamato's faction in the endgame if the player chooses another one. Instead, she will be recruitable from the start of Saturday.
* If Ronaldo's fate is high enough, Makoto will never get a death clip. It will be replaced by Fumi's, as Ronaldo takes revenge for the generic Office Lady she kills at the start of the battle. If Fumi does die here, a generic [=JPs=] member will give the characters her information on Trumpeter.
[[WMG: Break Record will tweak scenes in it's port of the original Devil Survivor 2.]]
* Keita's fate events will either never involve Jungo, or will allow the protagonist to tell Jungo to stop trying to befriend him.
* If Makoto's Fate is high enough, she will not be a member of Yamato's faction in the endgame if the player chooses another one. Instead, she will be recruitable from the start of Saturday.
* If Ronaldo's fate is high enough, Makoto will never get a death clip. It will be replaced by Fumi's, as Ronaldo takes revenge for the generic Office Lady she kills at the start of the battle. If Fumi does die here, a generic [=JPs=] member will give the characters her information on Trumpeter.
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[[WMG: In Break Record, the new scenario will have new "Septentrion"-like beings from the [[spoiler: Cephei]] constellation, of which [[spoiler: Errai]] is a member of.]]
* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states his predecessors and successor of the throne, and [[spoiler: Errai]] is his successor. He either takes over the throne and decides to test humanity once more in Break Record, or if Kingmaker is canon, [[spoiler: takes it back from Alcor and punishes humanity for their involvement.]]
* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states his predecessors and successor of the throne, and [[spoiler: Errai]] is his successor. He either takes over the throne and decides to test humanity once more in Break Record, or if Kingmaker is canon, [[spoiler: takes it back from Alcor and punishes humanity for their involvement.]]
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[[WMG: In Break Record, the new scenario will have new "Septentrion"-like beings from the [[spoiler: Cephei]] constellation, of which [[spoiler: Errai]] is a member of.another constellation.]]
Specifically, the [[spoiler: Cephei]] constellation, of which [[spoiler: Errai]] is a member of.
* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states the names of those who have sat in the Heavenly Throne before him, and hispredecessors and successor of the throne, and will be [[spoiler: Errai]] Errai]]. In DS2: BR, if Restorer is his successor. He canon, he either takes over the throne and decides to test humanity once more in Break Record, more, or if Kingmaker is canon, [[spoiler: takes it back from Alcor and punishes humanity for their involvement.]]
Specifically, the [[spoiler: Cephei]] constellation, of which [[spoiler: Errai]] is a member of.
* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states the names of those who have sat in the Heavenly Throne before him, and his
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** For extra MindScrew, ''that'' in turn will lead to [=DS2=] game once the protagonist [[spoiler:conquers heaven after Naoya's 8th Day]] and decides to redo their first failed run. Explaining why game Hibiki is far more [[BunnyEarsLawyer nonchalant]] and [[CloudCuckoolander easy going]] in the face of crisis and also Yamato's [[DefrostingIceKing affability]] compared to his [[PerpetualFrowner stiffer]] anime counterpart.
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** For extra MindScrew, ''that'' in turn will lead to [=DS2=] game once the protagonist [[spoiler:conquers heaven after Naoya's 8th Day]] and decides to redo their first failed run. Explaining why game Hibiki is far more [[BunnyEarsLawyer nonchalant]] and [[CloudCuckoolander easy going]] in the face of crisis and also Yamato's [[DefrostingIceKing affability]] compared to his [[PerpetualFrowner stiffer]] anime counterpart.counterpart.
[[WMG: In Break Record, the new scenario will have new "Septentrion"-like beings from the [[spoiler: Cephei]] constellation, of which [[spoiler: Errai]] is a member of.]]
* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states his predecessors and successor of the throne, and [[spoiler: Errai]] is his successor. He either takes over the throne and decides to test humanity once more in Break Record, or if Kingmaker is canon, [[spoiler: takes it back from Alcor and punishes humanity for their involvement.]]
[[WMG: In Break Record, the new scenario will have new "Septentrion"-like beings from the [[spoiler: Cephei]] constellation, of which [[spoiler: Errai]] is a member of.]]
* In one of the endings of the original DS2, [[spoiler: Polaris]] states his predecessors and successor of the throne, and [[spoiler: Errai]] is his successor. He either takes over the throne and decides to test humanity once more in Break Record, or if Kingmaker is canon, [[spoiler: takes it back from Alcor and punishes humanity for their involvement.]]
