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He survived possibly by making a deal someone like Juno but lost his sanity from the trauma of the experience. He used his new powers for the first time to punish/kill the people who tried to exorcise him. As a result of this, he got a taste of power and started on the path that would lead him to become what he is in the move.

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He survived possibly by making a deal with someone like Juno but lost his sanity from the trauma of the experience. He used his new powers for the first time to punish/kill the people who tried to exorcise him. As a result of this, he got a taste of power and started on the path that would lead him to become what he is in the move.movie
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The Land of the Dead is what the Netherworld used to be before it became a bureaucracy. Beetlejuice discovered the marriage loophole by discovering the events that allowed Emily to traverse between the Land of the Living and the Land of the Dead, discovering that it was possible for a ghost like him to "get out" of the Netherworld.

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The Land of the Dead is what the Netherworld used to be before it became a bureaucracy. Beetlejuice discovered the marriage loophole by discovering the events that allowed Emily to traverse between the Land of the Living and the Land of the Dead, discovering that it was possible for a ghost like him to "get out" of the Netherworld.Netherworld.


[[WMG:BeetleJuice got his powers from surviving an exorcism ]]
He survived possibly by making a deal someone like Juno but lost his sanity from the trauma of the experience. He used his new powers for the first time to punish/kill the people who tried to exorcise him. As a result of this, he got a taste of power and started on the path that would lead him to become what he is in the move.
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[[WMG: ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'' is a prequel to the events of this film.]]

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[[WMG: ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'' is a prequel to the events of this film.]] (CROSS POST)]]
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The Land of the Dead is what the Netherworld used to be before it became a bureaucracy. Beetlejuice discovered the marriage loophole by discovering the events that allowed Emily to traverse between the Land of the Living and that it was possible for a ghost like him to "get out" of the Netherworld.

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The Land of the Dead is what the Netherworld used to be before it became a bureaucracy. Beetlejuice discovered the marriage loophole by discovering the events that allowed Emily to traverse between the Land of the Living and the Land of the Dead, discovering that it was possible for a ghost like him to "get out" of the Netherworld.
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After the second season, Percy pretty much stopped making appearances. He probably got tired of being scared all the time by Beetlejuice's pranks, ran away, and found a new family where there was no ghost with the most to constantly stress him out. If Percy had died as a result of Beetlejuice's shenanagins, it's likely Lydia would hold a much more serious grudge against Beetlejuice but because that isn't the case, Percy running away and getting adopted by a loving family that Lydia later found out about and decided to just let Percy stay there might be a more likely outcome.

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After the second season, Percy pretty much stopped making appearances. He probably got tired of being scared all the time by Beetlejuice's pranks, ran away, and found a new family where there was no ghost with the most to constantly stress him out. If Percy had died as a result of Beetlejuice's shenanagins, it's likely Lydia would hold a much more serious grudge against Beetlejuice but because that isn't the case, Percy running away and getting adopted by a loving family that Lydia later found out about and decided to just let Percy stay there might be a more likely outcome.outcome.

[[WMG: ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'' is a prequel to the events of this film.]]
The Land of the Dead is what the Netherworld used to be before it became a bureaucracy. Beetlejuice discovered the marriage loophole by discovering the events that allowed Emily to traverse between the Land of the Living and that it was possible for a ghost like him to "get out" of the Netherworld.
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**Huh? We know exactly what plague is, it’s not some kind of historical mystery. It’s bacterial and still circulates today, although thankfully in significantly lower numbers since it still has a relatively high death rate even with antibiotic treatment.
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Her parents are just extremely overprotective and pulling a less restrictive bubble boy type lie on her. This would be why she hasn't been killed by hiking or excitement up to this point nor by the scare pulled on her in the play. In fact a successful outing selling cookies would have been met with them explaining that her "heart condition" had stabilized.

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Her parents are just extremely overprotective and pulling a less restrictive bubble boy type lie on her. This would be why she hasn't been killed by hiking or excitement up to this point nor by the scare pulled on her in the play. In fact a successful outing selling cookies would have been met with them explaining that her "heart condition" had stabilized.stabilized.


[[WMG: In the cartoon, the Deetz family cat Percy ran away and found a new home.]]
After the second season, Percy pretty much stopped making appearances. He probably got tired of being scared all the time by Beetlejuice's pranks, ran away, and found a new family where there was no ghost with the most to constantly stress him out. If Percy had died as a result of Beetlejuice's shenanagins, it's likely Lydia would hold a much more serious grudge against Beetlejuice but because that isn't the case, Percy running away and getting adopted by a loving family that Lydia later found out about and decided to just let Percy stay there might be a more likely outcome.
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Aside from the fact that they have very similar names, [[DemonLordsandArchDevils Belphegor]] is one of the Seven Crown Princes of Hell, representing Sloth. He is known for seducing people with [[DealWithTheDevil seemingly simple solutions]] to their problems that ultimately backfire horrifically and [[PottyHumor being incredibly gross]]. Sound familiar?

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Aside from the fact that they have very similar names, [[DemonLordsandArchDevils Belphegor]] is one of the Seven Crown Princes of Hell, representing Sloth. He is known for seducing people with [[DealWithTheDevil seemingly simple solutions]] to their problems that ultimately backfire horrifically and [[PottyHumor being incredibly gross]]. Sound familiar?familiar?

[[WMG: Sky, the girl scout from the musical, doesn't actually have a heart condition.]]
Her parents are just extremely overprotective and pulling a less restrictive bubble boy type lie on her. This would be why she hasn't been killed by hiking or excitement up to this point nor by the scare pulled on her in the play. In fact a successful outing selling cookies would have been met with them explaining that her "heart condition" had stabilized.
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* A cut subplot from the musical had the Maitlands recovering from a miscarriage, so it could have been that.
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[[WMG: Beetlejuice's cause of death in the musical]]
While it's fairly clear that Beetlejuice committed suicide in the movie, all of the factors that point to that conclusion are absent in the musical. Both Beetlejuice and Juno have been changed from ghosts to demons. However, the distinction between the two is left vague—demons could easily be damned ghosts, a separate species, or anywhere in between. Beetlejuice has some extra powers and restrictions compared to the Maitlands, but there is some overlap, such as possession. He even says that "any ghost" is capable of it. However, Juno, [[spoiler:who in this version is Beetlejuice's mother]], still retains the gash in her neck, implying that she too was alive once and that she died by having her throat sliced, just like in the movie. [[spoiler:Since Juno is Beetlejuice's mother, this would mean that he must have been alive at some point too.]] In "Say My Name," Beetlejuice brushes back his hair to reveal his ''exposed brain'' while singing the word "assassinate." This is the only physical wound we ever see on him, implying that he died by being [[FlayingAlive scalped.]]
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* Or TheFairFolk and TheUndead are NotSoDifferent.

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* Or TheFairFolk and TheUndead are NotSoDifferent.
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* Conversely the Joker might be him reincarnated as a human.
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** Confirmed in the musical, where he directly refers to it as a “green-card thing.”
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Aside from the fact that they have very similar names, [[DemonLordsandArchDevils Belphegor]] is one of the Seven Crown Princes of Hell, representing Sloth. He is known for seducing people with [[DealWithTheDevil seemingly simple solutions]] to their problems that ultimately backfire horrifically and [[PottyHumor being incredibly gross]]. Sound familiar?

[[WMG: (Specifically movie version) Betelgeuse doesn’t know what a teenager is, which is why he tried to marry Lydia]]
To clarify: Betelgeuse claims to have “lived through the Black Plague,” and if that’s true, he’d have lived and died sometime during the Middle Ages. The modern concept of a teenager (and of an age of consent) is a very recent one, and since it is unknown how much time he’s spent out of the Netherworld since dying, it’s possible he just never picked up on the new idea of teenagers as a separate age group from adults. So he didn’t realize that he was doing anything wrong by trying to marry Lydia because it would have been perfectly legal during his time.

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Aside from the fact that they have very similar names, [[DemonLordsandArchDevils Belphegor]] is one of the Seven Crown Princes of Hell, representing Sloth. He is known for seducing people with [[DealWithTheDevil seemingly simple solutions]] to their problems that ultimately backfire horrifically and [[PottyHumor being incredibly gross]]. Sound familiar?

[[WMG: (Specifically movie version) Betelgeuse doesn’t know what a teenager is, which is why he tried to marry Lydia]]
To clarify: Betelgeuse claims to have “lived through the Black Plague,” and if that’s true, he’d have lived and died sometime during the Middle Ages. The modern concept of a teenager (and of an age of consent) is a very recent one, and since it is unknown how much time he’s spent out of the Netherworld since dying, it’s possible he just never picked up on the new idea of teenagers as a separate age group from adults. So he didn’t realize that he was doing anything wrong by trying to marry Lydia because it would have been perfectly legal during his time.
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* They look and act nothing alike, though. And Lydia is stated to be younger than she was during the movie (12 in the cartoon, 15 in the movie).



To clarify:
Betelgeuse claims to have “lived through the Black Plague,” and if that’s true, he’d have lived and died sometime during the Middle Ages. The modern concept of a teenager (and of an age of consent) is a very recent one, and since it is unknown how much time he’s spent out of the Netherworld since dying, it’s possible he just never picked up on the new idea of teenagers as a separate age group from adults. So he didn’t realize that he was doing anything wrong by trying to marry Lydia because it would have been perfectly legal during his time.

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clarify: Betelgeuse claims to have “lived through the Black Plague,” and if that’s true, he’d have lived and died sometime during the Middle Ages. The modern concept of a teenager (and of an age of consent) is a very recent one, and since it is unknown how much time he’s spent out of the Netherworld since dying, it’s possible he just never picked up on the new idea of teenagers as a separate age group from adults. So he didn’t realize that he was doing anything wrong by trying to marry Lydia because it would have been perfectly legal during his time.
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Aside from the fact that they have very similar names, [[DemonLordsandArchDevils Belphegor]] is one of the Seven Crown Princes of Hell, representing Sloth. He is known for seducing people with [[DealWithTheDevil seemingly simple solutions]] to their problems that ultimately backfire horrifically and [[PottyHumor being incredibly gross]]. Sound familiar?

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Aside from the fact that they have very similar names, [[DemonLordsandArchDevils Belphegor]] is one of the Seven Crown Princes of Hell, representing Sloth. He is known for seducing people with [[DealWithTheDevil seemingly simple solutions]] to their problems that ultimately backfire horrifically and [[PottyHumor being incredibly gross]]. Sound familiar?familiar?

[[WMG: (Specifically movie version) Betelgeuse doesn’t know what a teenager is, which is why he tried to marry Lydia]]
To clarify:
Betelgeuse claims to have “lived through the Black Plague,” and if that’s true, he’d have lived and died sometime during the Middle Ages. The modern concept of a teenager (and of an age of consent) is a very recent one, and since it is unknown how much time he’s spent out of the Netherworld since dying, it’s possible he just never picked up on the new idea of teenagers as a separate age group from adults. So he didn’t realize that he was doing anything wrong by trying to marry Lydia because it would have been perfectly legal during his time.
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* Considering Adam's line about trying again, it seems most likely that they've been trying to conceive for a fairly long time, but they haven't received a medical diagnosis that would make it impossible. They're just not having much luck with it.

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[[WMG: Beetlejuice is Belphegor.]]

Aside from the fact that they have very similar names, [[DemonLordsandArchDevils Belphegor]] is one of the Seven Crown Princes of Hell, representing Sloth. He is known for seducing people with [[DealWithTheDevil seemingly simple solutions]] to their problems that ultimately backfire horrifically and [[PottyHumor being incredibly gross]]. Sound familiar?
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It would explain her depression and her fascination with the afterlife. It would also explain her fear of hospitals in the cartoon. Her birth mother most likely died of a terminal illness, and hospitals bring back bad memories for her. This is confirmed in the musical.

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It would explain her depression and her fascination with the afterlife. It would also explain her fear of hospitals in the cartoon. Her birth mother most likely died of a terminal illness, and hospitals bring back bad memories for her.
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This is confirmed in the musical.
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It would explain her depression and her fascination with the afterlife. It would also explain her fear of hospitals in the cartoon. Her birth mother most likely died of a terminal illness, and hospitals bring back bad memories for her.
Confirmed in the musical.

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It would explain her depression and her fascination with the afterlife. It would also explain her fear of hospitals in the cartoon. Her birth mother most likely died of a terminal illness, and hospitals bring back bad memories for her.
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her. This is confirmed in the musical.
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Confirmed in the musical.
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[[WMG: Beetlejuice is a Pueblo Clown.]]
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Pueblo Clowns are a type of character celebrated by the Kachina religion and the culture that practices them (Pueblo Tribes of North America). These clowns present themselves with black and white horizontal stripes painted on their bodies and faces, paint black circles around the mouth and eyes, and part their hair in the center and bind it in two bunches which stand upright on each side of the head and are trimmed with corn husks. Legends and customs surrounding them differ, but they are commonly seen as spirits of early man, being tricksters that have emerged from within the Earth and have yet to mature into humanity, their iconography meant for satire and fertility rites.

Now take a look at Beetlejuice. Black and white stripes practically define his appearance, and his hair is a platinum blonde rats-nest. In the film and animated series, he is a pervert, a destructive prankster and a {{Manchild}} (bordering on [[PsychopathicManchild psychopathic]]) with a penchant for pulling pranks. As a ghost, he is unique in his reality warping abilities. While ghosts in the film seems to possess some supernatural abilities, none are seen to be as impressive as BJ's. In the cartoon, there are plenty of magic-users, but Beetlejuice's "juice" is outright stated by his disembodied brain (no, really) that with his power he could conquer the Neitherworld, but would rather settle for pranks rather than anything constructive. This implies that while he is a spirit, it is unlikely that he was technically ''human'' at any point.

While Pueblo Clowns are not known for having godlike abilities, it is likely that Beeltejuice may have either some relations to the primordial humans or may have even ''inspired'' the legend to some capacity.
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[[WMG: The reason Beetlejuice thinks the Black Plague is funny...]]
Is because it’s actually become a mundane virus in modern times. Maybe it is what we know as the Common Cold!
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[[WMG: Beetlejuice died in the 1600s]]
Beetlejuice mentioned that he lived through the Great Plague. One of the greatest plagues of history is the 1665 Great Plague of London. Additionally, by then, America had been discovered and people were heading to the New World. Connecticut, where the film takes place, was also one of the early colonies settled.
After he survived the Great Plague, Beetlejuice moved there to escape crimes, and it was there that he met a woman, was abandoned when she found out what a creep he was, and hung himself.
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[[WMG: Lydia saw her birth mother die.]]
It would explain her depression and her fascination with the afterlife. It would also explain her fear of hospitals in the cartoon. Her birth mother most likely died of a terminal illness, and hospitals bring back bad memories for her.
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** Wait, never mind the last question, TheJoker would totally do that just because [[ItAmusedMe it amused him]]

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** Wait, never mind the last question, TheJoker The Joker would totally do that just because [[ItAmusedMe it amused him]]

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He has magic no other ghost seem to have, he's mostly focued on helping lydia and making her happy, he has the abillity to teleport and shapeshift while still having his prime colors own and usually flot. he's either pretending to be a ghost becuase he's afraid that Lydia thinks faries are lame, or he's suffering from some kind of amnesia

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He has magic no other ghost seem to have, he's mostly focued on helping lydia and making her happy, he has the abillity to teleport and shapeshift while still having his prime colors own and usually flot. he's either pretending to be a ghost becuase he's afraid that Lydia thinks faries are lame, or he's suffering from some kind of amnesia

amnesia.
* Or TheFairFolk and TheUndead are NotSoDifferent
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* An elegant alternative is explored in ''FanFic/SayItThrice'' by Creator/BookwormGal; Beetlejuice is at ''least'' 600 years old, having lived through the Black Death and thus was so unfamiliar with the living that he didn ''realize'' that Lydia was a child. Afterwards he was ''really'' sorry for the attempted "AndNowYouMustMarryMe" and was going to let Lydia out of the deal, but upon seeing his genuine remorse she summoned him back, resulting in the events of the series. HilarityEnsues as the JerkAss turned out to be a JerkWithAHeartOfGold.

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* An elegant alternative is explored in ''FanFic/SayItThrice'' by Creator/BookwormGal; Creator/BookwormGal, which posits the opposite - that the movie is a prequel to the show. Beetlejuice is at ''least'' 600 years old, having lived through the Black Death Death, and thus was so unfamiliar with the living that he didn didn't ''realize'' that Lydia was a child. Afterwards Afterwards, he was ''really'' sorry for the attempted "AndNowYouMustMarryMe" and was going to let Lydia out of the deal, but upon seeing his genuine remorse she summoned him back, resulting in the events of the series. HilarityEnsues as the JerkAss turned out to be a JerkWithAHeartOfGold.



She knew the bridge was old and wouldn't take much to give way. She knew that it would be hard to see and brake for an obstruction in the bridge before entering it due to the curvy road and the covering. She knew Barbara and Adam would swerve the car. Most people would- it's a cute little dog.

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She knew the bridge was old and wouldn't take much to give way. She knew that it would be hard to see and brake for an obstruction in the bridge before entering it due to the curvy road and the covering. She knew Barbara and Adam would swerve the car. Most people would- would; it's a cute little dog.



Hence the look on Barbara's face and Jane's reaction of "I'm sorry I didn't mean it" when she says their house should be for a couple with a family.

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Hence the look on Barbara's face and Jane's reaction of "I'm sorry sorry, I didn't mean it" when she says their house should be for a couple with a family.




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* This is heavily implied to be canon.



* An encounter with a large snake - Explains his hatred of sandworms, and could involve suffocation as with the BuriedAlive example above.

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* An encounter with a large snake - Explains explains his hatred of sandworms, and could involve suffocation as with the BuriedAlive example above.




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** It's confirmed that he was indeed a suicide; the scene which would have explained as much was cut for time.



In Jean Louis De Esque's poem book, ''Betelgeuse, a Trip Through Hell '', hell is located on the titular star. In ''Beetlejuice'', there doesn't seem to be a hell at first glance. But there is a nasty place that exorcised ghosts end up call the the Lost Souls Room. In most versions of demonology, an exorcism sends spirits or demons back to hell, so it would stand to reason that the Lost Souls Room is hell, or at least the closest thing to it. Suppose, like in De Esque's poem, Betelgeuse is the location of the Lost Souls Room. The exorcised souls provide some sort of fulfillment for Betelgeuse, either because they have nutritional value, or It just enjoys collecting them. With this in mind, Beetlejuice's bio-exorcism business could be a sham to cause haunting disturbances, pin the blame on his summoners, and get more souls exorcised. Though he did thwart the Maitlands' exorcism, it was part of a plan to get permanent license to haunt the living world, which means more deaths and thus more ghosts and more potential souls.

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In Jean Louis De Esque's poem book, ''Betelgeuse, a Trip Through Hell '', hell is located on the titular star. In ''Beetlejuice'', there doesn't seem to be a hell at first glance. But there is a nasty place that exorcised ghosts end up call the the Lost Souls Room. In most versions of demonology, an exorcism sends spirits or demons back to hell, so it would stand to reason that the Lost Souls Room is hell, or at least the closest thing to it. Suppose, like in De Esque's poem, Betelgeuse is the location of the Lost Souls Room. The exorcised souls provide some sort of fulfillment for Betelgeuse, either because they have nutritional value, or It just enjoys collecting them. With this in mind, Beetlejuice's bio-exorcism business could be a sham to cause haunting disturbances, pin the blame on his summoners, and get more souls exorcised. Though he did thwart the Maitlands' exorcism, it was part of a plan to get permanent license to haunt the living world, which means more deaths and thus more ghosts and more potential souls.souls.

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[[WMG: Jane trained the dog to wait at the bridge.]]
She knew the bridge was old and wouldn't take much to give way. She knew that it would be hard to see and brake for an obstruction in the bridge before entering it due to the curvy road and the covering. She knew Barbara and Adam would swerve the car. Most people would- it's a cute little dog.

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