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->''"All of her [Mami Nanami's] villain behavior only counts as 'villain behavior' if you believe Kazuya Kinoshita deserves to be happy. And I absolutely, categorically do not."''
-->-- '''WebVideo/MothersBasement''', ''The Roast of Manga/RentAGirlfriend''
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'''Fatguy:''' ...If we assume Bowser is evil, yes. But Bowser... isn't evil.\\

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'''Fatguy:''' ...If we assume Bowser is evil, yes. But Bowser... isn't evil.\\
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->'''Fatguy:''' Have (the party) ever done good?\\
'''Lenny:''' Like, something actually positive?\\
'''Fatguy:''' ...If we assume Bowser is evil, yes. But Bowser... isn't evil.\\
-->-- '''[=Fatguy703=]''''s creator playthrough of ''[[VideoGame/BookOfMarioThousandsOfDoors Book of Mario 64]]'', a RecursiveTranslation of ''VideoGame/PaperMario64''.
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->''"At the last dance, multiple students were murdered."''\\

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->''"At ->"At the last dance, multiple students were murdered."''\\"\\



'''''Spoken by:''' Principal Holden Honey.''\\

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''Delivered as an explanation to Toni and Cheryl, as to why there would be no school dance this year. Principal Honey is in fact supremely rational in the cancellation of this dance. This being Series/{{Riverdale}}, he is of course treated as an unreasonable tyrant.''

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''Delivered Delivered as an explanation to Toni and Cheryl, as to why there would be no school dance this year. Principal Honey is in fact supremely rational in the cancellation of this dance. This being Series/{{Riverdale}}, he is of course treated as an unreasonable tyrant.''
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->''"At the last dance, multiple students were murdered."''\\
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'''''Spoken by:''' Principal Holden Honey.''\\
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''Delivered as an explanation to Toni and Cheryl, as to why there would be no school dance this year. Principal Honey is in fact supremely rational in the cancellation of this dance. This being Series/{{Riverdale}}, he is of course treated as an unreasonable tyrant.''
-->--'''wolfofansbach''', [[https://wolfofansbach.tumblr.com/post/726478193394155520/being-a-list-of-the-thirteen-greatest-riverdale "BEING A LIST OF THE THIRTEEN GREATEST RIVERDALE LINES, ON THE OCCASION OF THAT SHOW'S TERMINATION"]]
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->You ever notice how Chernabog from ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'' is considered a villain when all he does is wake up all the ghosties ang ghoulies, throw a dance party and then go back to bed? He's not a villain, he's a DJ.

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->You ever notice how Chernabog from ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'' is considered a villain when all he does is wake up all the ghosties ang and ghoulies, throw a dance party and then go back to bed? He's not a villain, he's a DJ.



-->--'''WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter''' on ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' episode "[[Recap/ThePowerpuffGirlsS6EP16SeeMeFeelMeGnomey See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey]]"

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-->--'''WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter''' on ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls1998'' episode "[[Recap/ThePowerpuffGirlsS6EP16SeeMeFeelMeGnomey See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey]]"
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->You ever notice how Chernabog from ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'' is considered a villain when all he does is wake up all the ghosties ang ghoulies, throw a dance party and then go back to bed? He's not a villain, he's a DJ.
-->--'''[[https://imgur.com/Yc0QjDU Anonymous]]''' Imgur post on "Night on Bald Mountain" from ''WesternAnimation/{{Fantasia}}'' (not entirely accurate but still funny).
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->''[[VideoGame/{{Killzone}} Killzone: Shadow Fall]]'' is about the evil Helghast people being really resentful of the heroes having blown up their planet and killed their entire race. Cor, just can't let anything go, can they? It's funny; if you read the backstory to ''Killzone'', the running theme seems to be the Helghast getting fucked over a picket fence left-right-and-centre, but we're supposed to hate them for bearing a grudge! They could easily work as the heroes if they didn't have the image problem. [[ObviouslyEvil Glowing red eyes and Nazi hats]]; yeah, they could probably garner more sympathy if they swapped those out for some star-shaped sunglasses and a fez.
-->-- '''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''', ''Exclusives Showdown''

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->''[[VideoGame/{{Killzone}} ->[[VideoGame/{{Killzone}} Killzone: Shadow Fall]]'' is about the evil Helghast people being really resentful of the heroes having blown up their planet and killed their entire race. Cor, just can't let anything go, can they? It's funny; if you read the backstory to ''Killzone'', the running theme seems to be the Helghast getting fucked over a picket fence left-right-and-centre, but we're supposed to hate them for bearing a grudge! They could easily work as the heroes if they didn't have the image problem. [[ObviouslyEvil Glowing red eyes and Nazi hats]]; yeah, they could probably garner more sympathy if they swapped those out for some star-shaped sunglasses and a fez.
fez.''
-->-- '''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''', ''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation'', ''Exclusives Showdown''
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->''"We're just supposed to assume that the Gnome is evil because... he saved everyone's lives and people are worshipping him for saving their lives. [...] The episode expects us to assume that the Gnome is doing evil because he is doing the stuff that evil creatures do that aren't directly evil, like demanding people live in his name. But we never actually see the Gnome do anything wrong on camera. He doesn't hurt anyone. Just the opposite, actually- if he didn't intervene, the villains would've won."''
-->--'''WebVideo/TheMysteriousMrEnter''' on ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' episode "[[Recap/ThePowerpuffGirlsS6EP16SeeMeFeelMeGnomey See Me, Feel Me, Gnomey]]"

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Really bad example. They showed how evil they were in every other episode and then later in this one.


->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your [[DesignatedHero hero]] with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp]] [[GeneralFailure Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''
-->-- '''Website/SFDebris''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS7E23Endgame Endgame]]"

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->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your [[DesignatedHero hero]] with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp]] [[GeneralFailure Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''
-->-- '''Website/SFDebris''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS7E23Endgame Endgame]]"

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->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your [[DesignatedHero hero]] with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp]] [[GeneralFailure Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''
-->-- '''Website/SFDebris''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "[[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS7E23Endgame Endgame]]"









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->They must shut up and put up, and [[{{Glurge}}wait forebearingly in hope for reform]], or they become malignant. To resist is to become wicked, by definition...I've always cheered for the baddies. I've always empathised and sympathised with them more than the heroes, the lovers, the plucky kids, the brave dogs, etc. It's quite startling how often the 'baddies' are considerably more sympathetic, how often they are declared bad by authorial fiat, how often they have a good point.
-->-- '''[[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/pop-between-realities-home-in-time-for-tea-74-merlin/ Jack Graham]]'''

->And, again, to recap: we are to boo the organized, Christmas-loving family man, while we are to cheer the reindeer punching thief who destroys half the town whose primary hobby is ignoring his family.
-->-- '''''{{Website/Wrestlecrap}}''''' on ''Film/JingleAllTheWay''



->They suggest there is a massive gulf between Ransom's approach and Janeway's, and whilst one ship is pristine thanks to its Captain's decisions and one is on the verge of collapse (yay ''Equinox'', boo ''Voyager''), she has also made some morally unsound choices and taken the occasional questionable measure to push herself along. It's what makes Ransom a more satisfying character (despite the fact he only appears in one story), because he at least knows the kind of man he is (one who will go to any lengths to get home) whereas Janeway has convinced herself that she always takes the moral high ground when that is hardly the case on an episode-by-episode basis. When Ransom opens up to Janeway and says that there were times that they almost forgot that they were human beings, the good Captain should have been [[NotSoDifferent a little more savvy]] at what he is actually trying to tell her about the situation they are currently in.
-->-- '''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/voyager-season-five.html Joe Ford]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Equinox"

->In the first part of 'Sanctuary,' ComicBook/{{Magneto}} made what was — for his situation — the perfectly rational decision to throw a giant rock out into space and build a little town on it so that he could live without fear of being murdered by giant racist robots and the people who build them. He also announced his intentions to do this peacefully and then singlehandedly liberated a concentration camp while our heroes stood around and watched, and for some reason, everyone got ''super pissed off'' about this.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''' [[http://comicsalliance.com/the-x-men-episode-guide-4x07-sanctuary-part-2/ on]] ''WesternAnimation/XMen, "Sanctuary, Part 2"

->It's a story with the names of the characters, and some of the major scenes, but the underlying narrative simply isn't the story of Superman. It's about [[ComicBook/LexLuthor a guy with an asshole father who got stuck in a podunk town and casually betrayed by every friend he made, including a superhuman who professed to be his best friend but constantly doubted him behind his back and lied to him to his face.]] When the show embraced that and stopped pretending it was about Superman, that was when the show was it its best... When the show lost its protagonist, Lex, then it became an empty shell that [[PanderingToTheBase traded on rote pandering towards fans]] of scenes and characters we all recognize from other media.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''' and '''David Uzumeri''' [[http://comicsalliance.com/recap-smallville-finale/ on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Finale")

->Here's the logic.\\\
'Hi, Clark. It's me, Lex. You say you have a sick friend here?'\\\
Clark gives [[DumbMuscle a noncommittal grunt]] that borders on communication.\\\
'Well, how about I give her all of the best doctors in the world and do my best to heal her?'\\\
[[HulkSpeak 'No! Me heal!']]\\\
'Uh, Clark?'\\\
'ME HEAL! ME HEAL!'\\\
Lex walks away, shaking his head.
-->-- '''Neal Bailey''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville5-ep14 on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Tomb")

->One of the family leaders, O'Flynn, decides it may just be in the best interests of everyone if they killed the few remaining zombies left on the island. Because you know, I would feel a lot safer if I didn't think my sleep would be interrupted by a zombie eating my intestines like a four year old eats a plate of spaghetti. The other family, the Muldoons, thinks that is a monstrous idea and banish O'Flynn from the island. I then decided to rename the island [[IdiotPlot Moron Island]] because I could not identify with any of the people or their actions.
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Miles Antwiler]]''' [[http://moviemoses.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/survival-of-the-dead-2009-george-a-romero/ on]] ''Film/SurvivalOfTheDead''

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->They suggest there is a massive gulf between Ransom's approach and Janeway's, and whilst one ship is pristine thanks to its Captain's decisions and one is on the verge of collapse (yay ''Equinox'', boo ''Voyager''), she has also made some morally unsound choices and taken the occasional questionable measure to push herself along. It's what makes Ransom a more satisfying character (despite the fact he only appears in one story), because he at least knows the kind of man he is (one who will go to any lengths to get home) whereas Janeway has convinced herself that she always takes the moral high ground when that is hardly the case on an episode-by-episode basis. When Ransom opens up to Janeway and says that there were times that they almost forgot that they were human beings, the good Captain should have been [[NotSoDifferent a little more savvy]] at what he is actually trying to tell her about the situation they are currently in.
-->-- '''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/voyager-season-five.html Joe Ford]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Equinox"

->In the first part of 'Sanctuary,' ComicBook/{{Magneto}} made what was — for his situation — the perfectly rational decision to throw a giant rock out into space and build a little town on it so that he could live without fear of being murdered by giant racist robots and the people who build them. He also announced his intentions to do this peacefully and then singlehandedly liberated a concentration camp while our heroes stood around and watched, and for some reason, everyone got ''super pissed off'' about this.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''' [[http://comicsalliance.com/the-x-men-episode-guide-4x07-sanctuary-part-2/ on]] ''WesternAnimation/XMen, "Sanctuary, Part 2"

->It's a story with the names of the characters, and some of the major scenes, but the underlying narrative simply isn't the story of Superman. It's about [[ComicBook/LexLuthor a guy with an asshole father who got stuck in a podunk town and casually betrayed by every friend he made, including a superhuman who professed to be his best friend but constantly doubted him behind his back and lied to him to his face.]] When the show embraced that and stopped pretending it was about Superman, that was when the show was it its best... When the show lost its protagonist, Lex, then it became an empty shell that [[PanderingToTheBase traded on rote pandering towards fans]] of scenes and characters we all recognize from other media.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''' and '''David Uzumeri''' [[http://comicsalliance.com/recap-smallville-finale/ on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Finale")

->Here's the logic.\\\
'Hi, Clark. It's me, Lex. You say you have a sick friend here?'\\\
Clark gives [[DumbMuscle a noncommittal grunt]] that borders on communication.\\\
'Well, how about I give her all of the best doctors in the world and do my best to heal her?'\\\
[[HulkSpeak 'No! Me heal!']]\\\
'Uh, Clark?'\\\
'ME HEAL! ME HEAL!'\\\
Lex walks away, shaking his head.
-->-- '''Neal Bailey''' [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville5-ep14 on]] ''{{Series/Smallville}}'' ("Tomb")

->One of the family leaders, O'Flynn, decides it may just be in the best interests of everyone if they killed the few remaining zombies left on the island. Because you know, I would feel a lot safer if I didn't think my sleep would be interrupted by a zombie eating my intestines like a four year old eats a plate of spaghetti. The other family, the Muldoons, thinks that is a monstrous idea and banish O'Flynn from the island. I then decided to rename the island [[IdiotPlot Moron Island]] because I could not identify with any of the people or their actions.
-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Miles Antwiler]]''' [[http://moviemoses.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/survival-of-the-dead-2009-george-a-romero/ on]] ''Film/SurvivalOfTheDead''



->''"A matured Giygas is tasked with killing George so that humans may never know the power of PSI! But George and Maria are his only family... He gets over his moral dilemma by remembering that George was [[ArchnemesisDad the worst dad ever.]]"''
-->-- '''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xom77YACKiw LORE]]''', "[[{{VideoGame/MOTHER1}} EarthBound Lore]] in a Minute!"

->'''Jay''': Instead of stealing the cash, the group burn it, making a statement calling banks greedy and that they should [[JustLikeRobinHood only take what they need]].\\
'''V1''': I thought that was pretty cool! Immediately he's less of fuckin' black-and-white, ''"he's evil, [[Wrestling/TheMiz Miz]] is good"'', he's got a reason for doing what he's doing, and it makes sense. And that's the route to all good baddies: you should empathize with them.\\
'''Jay''': I feel [[ThisIsGonnaSuck a bit worried about that]]. Like, you need ''good writing'' to follow that. Otherwise you risk people hating the good guy and liking the bad guy.\\
'''V1''': (That's what happened to me, of course.)
-->-- '''WebVideo/OSWReview''' on ''Film/TheMarine 3: Homefront''

->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your [[DesignatedHero hero]] with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp]] [[GeneralFailure Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''
-->-- '''{{Website/SFDebris}}''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Endgame"
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->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your [[DesignatedHero hero]] with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''

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->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your [[DesignatedHero hero]] with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp Zapp]] [[GeneralFailure Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''



-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Dr Insano]]''' on ''Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff''

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-->-- '''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Dr Insano]]''' on ''Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff''
[[Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff Edward Rooney]].
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-->-- '''WebVideo/TheCinemaSnob''' on Julien, ''Dear Santa.''

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-->-- '''WebVideo/TheCinemaSnob''' on Julien, Jillian, ''Dear Santa.''
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->''"Why does this movie hate its real hero so much?"''
-->-- '''WebVideo/TheCinemaSnob''' on Julien, ''Dear Santa.''
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->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your hero with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''

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->''"It seems to me that if you want to show how evil the Borg are, you should come up with something a little more hostile than fighting to protect ''their own property'' from invaders. The Borg's evil plan is, 'Leave us alone! ...[-please?-]' Any time you can replace your hero [[DesignatedHero hero]] with [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} Zapp Brannigan]], you might want to reshape the story a little."''
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