23rd Oct: It's time for the Second TV Tropes Halloween Avatar Contest! Details here
DAVE: what kind of villain is someone you never met who hardly did anything evil to you or your friends directly
DAVE: or even to anyone in your universe for that matter other than through some vague insidious influence
DAVE: who even is this guy and why should i hate him
DAVE: am i really supposed to be pissed off at a green muscle monster i never met
DAVE: cause i aint pissed off at no muscle monster
"Yeah, any governing body that calls itself The Authority probably aren't distributing free t-shirts to war widows, but I wish the game would establish that rather than just ask me to assume it."
"They suggest there is a massive gulf between Ransom’s approach and Janeway’s, and whilst one ship is pristine thanks to its Captain’s decisions and one is on the verge of collapse (yay Equinox, boo Voyager), she has also made some morally unsound choices and taken the occasional questionable measure to push herself along. It's what makes Ransom a more satisfying character (despite the fact he only appears in one story) because he at least knows the kind of man he is (one who will go to any lengths to get home) whereas Janeway has convinced herself that she always takes the moral high ground when that is hardly the case on an episode by episode basis. When Ransom opens up to Janeway and says that there were times that they almost forgot that they were human beings, the good Captain should have been a little more savvy at what he is actually trying to tell her about the situation they are currently in. I realise she is just following protocol (groan) but when Janeway starts throwing her weight around and taking command of Ransom I would have felt a bit miffed too. ‘My ship's better than yours so I’m in charge’ is basically how she comes across. She comes across as an unthinking bully when she condemns Ransom for his crimes but forgets that she once got in bed with the Borg to help destroy another species in order to plot a course safely through their realm. Talk about self delusion!"
"In the first part of 'Sanctuary,' Magneto made what was — for his situation — the perfectly rational decision to throw a giant rock out into space and build a little town on it so that he could live without fear of being murdered by giant racist robots and the people who build them. He also announced his intentions to do this peacefully and then singlehandedly liberated a concentration camp while our heroes stood around and watched, and for some reason, everyone got super pissed off about this...Magneto blows up his own asteroid because his plan of peaceful isolation from the racist humans has been FUBARed.
Good job, X-Men!"
David: Becoming Lex Luthor out of love is just … what? At the same time, you can’t have a totally unsympathetic dick as a lead in a teen drama. But this doesn’t feel like Lex’s slow, tragic fall into greed and power-hunger.
Chris: It’s a weird mish-mash of how we know Lex has to be a villain but they still want him to be likeable...But here, everything gets all muddled. He seems genuinely happy in the dreamworld where he’s friends with Clark and getting the approval of Pa Kent, who calls him “the finest man I know.” Because apparently “the richest man in Smallville” would’ve been too much of a tip-off.
"Here's the logic.
'Hi, Clark. It's me, Lex. You say you have a sick friend here?'
Clark gives a noncommittal grunt that borders on communication.
'Well, how about I give her all of the best doctors in the world and do my best to heal her?'
'No! Me heal!'
'ME HEAL! ME HEAL!'
Lex walks away, shaking his head."
"Here's a sign of a bad movie: where I side with the slimy antagonist."
"The inhabitants have it pretty good in that they can sustain themselves on the island by ranching and zombies can’t get them because of being surrounded by water. One of the family leaders, O’Flynn, decides it may just be in the best interests of everyone if they killed the few remaining zombies left on the island. Because you know, I would feel a lot safer if I didn’t think my sleep would be interrupted by a zombie eating my intestines like a four year old eats a plate of spaghetti. The other family, the Muldoons, thinks that is a monstrous idea and banish O’Flynn from the island. I then decided to rename the island Moron Island because I could not identify with any of the people or their actions."
"I still refuse to believe that the old way of life was that peaceful, especially if it needed dragon riders to keep everyone in line. Also, we haven't been told that they operated under a democratic system or anything, so as far as we know, it was still a dictatorship, only with more than one person dishing out the orders. Seems to me that having just one dictator would bring a bit more stability. But you can't expect a nineteen-year-old fanfiction writer to understand that sort of subtlety. The King is evil because he says so, period, and that applies to the movie, too."
I found myself symphatising with the "bad guy" and being irritated by the heroes. Rather than have the villain actually do anything bad, the other characters simply constantly behave like he was a terrible person and stated how much they didn't like him. The situation was so poorly put together that when the villain was killed it felt incredibly disproportionate to his relatively minor crimes!
As you say yourself, the "bad guy" was not really that bad, and yet the story seemed determined to heap every punishment imaginable on him while having EVERY character in the story (even ones who had barely met him) say how much they wanted to see him die!
Interactions like "I want to rip out his heart!" "Does he even have heart?"
What the hell did this guy do to get so much hate?
Yeah he seems like a jerk, but they talk about him like he's the second coming of super hitler!
The guy finds someone is shagging his wife AND both daughters (urrggh!) they brutally shoot him the face and then his soul gets eaten by a giant demon wolf!
Even fucking death insults the poor bastard!
The universe lines up to piss on this man and everyone says he deserves it.
Harkovast, in the forum thread about Chronolicles of Wydren.
"Not to mention all this shit went down while she was pregnant with twins, the Pegasus and the giant Chrysaor, as a result from the rape. Perseus would mount Pegasus, and use him and Medusa’s head to kill a sea monster, thus winning him a wife, Andromeda. Medusa was cursed by the very goddess she served, Athena, who also gave Perseus the mirrored shield he used to slay her. Raped, betrayed by her god, hunted down like a beast in her own home while she was pregnant, her own children stolen from her and used to glorify and aide her killers and betrayers. And she’s supposed to be the monster?"
Dr-J33: Remind me why [Titan] is the badguy again?