History Quotes / CerebusRetcon

-->--'''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]]''', [[DiscussedTrope discussing this trope]] in relation to its use in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''

-->-- ''WebAnimation/TwoMoreEggs'', [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPb9iSHGCM0 Hot Dip: End Game]]

->By the way, have I ever told all of you how I got my "Miller Time" watch?

->A thief broke into our home one night, and said he would kill me and everyone I ever knew and loved. In my rage, I beat his face in so much it was flat against the ground, and then I took this watch off of him as a memento. I buried the bloody corpse in Nevada.

->''[[SubvertedTrope Of course I didn't!]]'' The thing was a Christmas present when I was like, thirteen or something! But if that ''was'' the case, it'd be pretty hard to watch all of my old "Miller Time" episodes, now wouldn't it?!

->I've experienced death, countless times. Sometimes, I see a bright light. Sometimes, I see Heaven, or Hell. But eventually, no matter what, I wake up in my bed, wearing my same old clothes. And the worst part? Nobody even remembers me dying! I go to school the next day, and everyone is just like, "Oh, hey Kenny," even if they had seen me get decapitated with their own eyes. You wanna whine about curses, Hindsight? You're talking to the wrong fucking cowboy.
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', on TheyKilledKennyAgain

->'''Fooker''': Nick and I could go [[CallBack raid his apartment again]]...\\
'''Nick''': Um, no... although knowing you were a secret agent casts that incident in a new light...
-->-- ''Webcomic/GeneralProtectionFault''

[[AC:Web Animation]]

->'Ooh, [[NotSoDifferent you're just like me]], Spider-Man!', ''[Carnage]'' burbles, 'Secretly, you also want to murder all those criminals you catch!' But instead of saying the obvious thing, 'No, I don't, you fucking weirdo', Spider-Man weakly concedes that he may have a point.\\\
You [[FlatWhat wot]]? Can't say I've ever gotten ''that'' particular vibe from Spider-Man: that all his joking around and rescuing people is merely an outlet for his '''repressed psychotic murder fantasies!'''
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/9231-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-2 on]] ''VideoGame/TheAmazingSpiderMan2''

->'Crossover' brings on the same feeling as reading dark, brooding, overtly sexual fanfic based on a cheerful kids’ cartoon.
-->--'''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''' on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' ("Crossover")

->Missing were the logical, peace-loving aliens we’ve grown to know and love as part of the ''Trek'' universe. In their place were a bunch of angry, pointy-eared, close-minded racists with an addiction to spray-tan and a penchant for murder and threats. In the show’s final season there was a last-minute, half-hearted attempt to reconcile all of this and turn the Vulcans back into creatures best known for their inability to lie... but by then [[CharacterDerailment it was too little, too late]].
-->--'''[[http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/enterprise-failed-star-trek.html Josh Tyler]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise''

->One of [[Creator/NeilGaiman Gaiman’s]] advertising promises for his episode was that he wanted to have written a part for Creator/MattSmith that would secure him an UsefulNotes/{{BAFTA}} next year...instead what we get is a schizophrenic evaluation of his character which seems to suggest that the Doctor is actually [[DirtyOldMan some horribly sexist old letch]]. In Creator/StevenMoffat’s world, maybe, but not mine.
-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2014/09/nightmare-in-silver-written-by-neil.html Doc Oho]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS33E12NightmareInSilver "A Nightmare in Silver"]]

->I love that the genocide gas which would (ostensibly) turn all the Zygons inside-out was designed by Harry Sullivan. An acute bit of writing. Harry was a bit of a duffer but a jolly fine chap...Fine and true. A tribute to the playing fields, old colleges, and institutions of Great Britain. The kind of thoroughly decent sort who was the bread and butter of two world wars. Exactly the sort of person, in other words, to happily exterminate an entire race of inconvenient people for his government.
-->--'''[[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/the-zygon-invocation/ Jack Graham]]''' on ''Doctor Who'', [[Recap/DoctorWhoS35E7TheZygonInvasion "The Zygon Invasion"]]

->The main storyline began with Superboy-Prime literally ''punching continuity'' in order to '[[ArmedWithCanon fix]]' things and ended with the Golden Age Superman getting [[ShooOutTheClowns bloodily beaten to death]]. It was charming, I assure you.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''' on ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/08/dc-comics-reboot-history/ "Time and Time Again: The Complete History of DC's Retcons and Reboots"]]

->Yes, a supervillain had somehow [[SwissCheeseSecurity gained access to the League's high-tech HQ (in space)]], and that was when he decided to rape Sue to within an inch of her life. The League showed up soon after to pull him off of her, but the damage was done, and they had to blank Sue's memory to make her forget it. I wish they could do that to ''my'' memory—when I close my eyes, I keep seeing [[BrainBleach Dr. Light's rolling eyeballs and wagging tongue]] as he violates a minor character who never hurt anybody.
-->--'''''Blog/ToplessRobot''''' [[http://www.toplessrobot.com/2008/06/the_10_worst_women_in_refridgerators_ie_cases_of_v.php?page=2 on]] ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''

->You have an amazing art form, a medium that’s able to produce things like ''ComicBook/FunHome'' and ''{{ComicBook/Maus}}'', and yet when people look at it they mostly see endless variations on these same ideas...So we have the same story that was used to sell kids cereal and action figures 50 years ago, only now with more rape!
-->--'''[[http://www.rickworley.com/2013/08/16/mark-millar-douchebags-of-comics/ Rick Worley]]''' on Creator/MarkMillar

->By the way, have I ever told all of you how I got my "Miller Time" watch? A thief broke into our home one night, and said he would kill me and everyone I ever knew and loved. In my rage, I beat his face in so much it was flat against the ground, and then I took this watch off of him as a memento. I buried the bloody corpse in Nevada. (''{{Beat}}'') ''[[SubvertedTrope Of course I didn't!]]'' The thing was a Christmas present when I was like, thirteen or something! But if that ''was'' the case, it'd be pretty hard to watch all of my old "Miller Time" episodes, now wouldn't it?!

->By the way, have I ever told all of you how I got my "Miller Time" watch?

->A thief broke into our home one night, and said he would kill me and everyone I ever knew and loved. In my rage, I beat his face in so much it was flat against the ground, and then I took this watch off of him as a memento. I buried the bloody corpse in Nevada.

->''[[SubvertedTrope Of course I didn't!]]'' The thing was a Christmas present when I was like, thirteen or something! But if that ''was'' the case, it'd be pretty hard to watch all of my old "Miller Time" episodes, now wouldn't it?!

-->-- '''Chris Sims''' on ''InfiniteCrisis'', [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/08/dc-comics-reboot-history/ "Time and Time Again: The Complete History of DC's Retcons and Reboots"]]

-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' [[http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/9231-The-Amazing-Spider-Man-2 on]] ''VideoGame/TheAmazingSpiderman2''

You [[FlatWhat wot?]] Can't say I've ever gotten ''that'' particular vibe from Spider-Man: that all his joking around and rescuing people is merely an outlet for his '''repressed psychotic murder fantasies!'''

->Missing were the logical, peace-loving aliens we’ve grown to know and love as part of the ''Trek'' universe. In their place were a bunch of angry, pointy-eared, close-minded racists with an addiction to spray-tan and a penchant for murder and threats. In the show’s final season there was a last-minute, half-hearted attempt to reconcile all of this and turn the Vulcans back into creatures best known for their inability to lie... but by then [[CharacterDerailment it was too little, too late.]]

-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2014/09/nightmare-in-silver-written-by-neil.html Doc Oho]]''' on ''Series/DoctorWho'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS33E12NightmareInSilver}} "A Nightmare in Silver"]]

-->--'''[[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/the-zygon-invocation/ Jack Graham]]''' on ''Doctor Who'', [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS35E7TheZygonInvasion}} "The Zygon Invasion"]]

->I've experienced death, countless times. Sometimes, I see a bright light. Sometimes, I see Heaven, or Hell. But eventually, no matter what, I wake up in my bed, wearing my same old clothes. And the worst part? Nobody even remembers me dying! I go to school the next day, and everyone is just like, "Oh, hey Kenny," Even if they had seen me get decapitated with their own eyes. You wanna whine about curses, Hindsight? You're talking to the wrong fucking cowboy.
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', on TheyKilledKenny

!!Fiction

->'''Mysterion:''' You think your power is a curse?! Let me tell you something about curses, buttlicker! Because there are some superpowers that make yours look like nothing! Trust me, I know.\\
'''Hindsight:''' Wha--? What is your power?\\
'''Mysterion:''' ''I can't die.''\\
''(beat)''\\
'''Mysterion:''' I've experienced death, countless times. Sometimes, I see a bright light. Sometimes, I see Heaven, or Hell. But eventually, no matter what, I wake up in my bed, wearing my same old clothes. And the worst part? Nobody even remembers me dying! I go to school the next day, and everyone is just like, "Oh, hey Kenny," Even if they had seen me get decapitated with their own eyes. You wanna whine about curses, Hindsight? You're talking to the wrong fucking cowboy.
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'', on TheyKilledKenny

->'''Eddy:''' I made it all up, Double D. Everything about my brother ''was a lie.'' I just made things up so people would like me; think I was cool. But boy was I wrong! [[NoodleIncident The scam,]] my brother, this...''When am I going to learn, Double D?''
->'''Edd:''' I think you just have.
-->--''WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddysBigPictureShow''

->'''Minuette:''' Thought [Moondancer] finally might be letting her guard down a little with [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E1MareInTheMoon that party]]. We invited her out a few times after that, [[LonersAreFreaks but she was always too busy studying]]. So, eventually, we just stopped asking.\\
'''Twilight Sparkle:''' I had no idea that party was so important to her...
-->-- ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E12AmendingFences "Amending Fences"]]

!!Reviews
->'Ooh, [[NotSoDifferent you're just like me]], Spider-Man!', ''[Carnage]'' burbles, 'Secretly, you also want to murder all those criminals you catch!' But instead of saying the obvious thing, 'No, I don't, you fucking weirdo', Spider-Man weakly concedes that [[VillainHasAPoint he may have a point.]]\\\
You [[FlatWhat wot?]] Can't say I've ever gotten ''that'' particular vibe from Spider-Man: that all his joking around and rescuing people is merely an outlet for his repressed psychotic murder fantasies!

->''"You have an amazing art form, a medium that’s able to produce things like ''ComicBook/FunHome'' and ''{{ComicBook/Maus}}'', and yet when people look at it they mostly see endless variations on these same ideas, and to do something new with [[StrictlyFormula his 50th superhero deconstruction]], the only think [[Creator/MarkMillar (Mark) Millar]] can think of is to add more shock value. So we have the same story that was used to sell kids cereal and action figures 50 years ago, only now with more rape!"''
-->--'''[[http://www.rickworley.com/2013/08/16/mark-millar-douchebags-of-comics/ Rick Worley]]'''

-->-- ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', [[Recap/MyLittlPonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E12AmendingFences "Amending Fences"]]

->'''Eddy:''' I made it all up, Double D. Everything about my brother ''was a lie.'' I just made things up so people would like me; think I was cool. But boy was I wrong! [[NoodleIncident The scam,]] my brother, this...''[[TearJerker When am I going to learn, Double D?]]''
->'''Edd:''' [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming I think you just have.]]

-->-- ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''

-->-- ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

-->--''[[WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddy Ed, Edd]] [[WesternAnimation/EdEddNEddysBigPictureShow n Eddy's]]'' ''[[TheMovie Big Picture Show]]''

!!!Fiction

'''Hindsight:''' Wha-? What is your power?\\

!!!Reviews

->'Crossover' brings on the same feeling as reading dark, brooding, overtly sexual fanfic based on a cheerful kids’ cartoon. By which I mean, it completely misses the tone of the original work it’s building upon. The {{Mirror Universe}} on ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]]'' was scary and violent, but it definitely wasn’t dark and depressing like it is here. The people who served on the ''ISS Enterprise'' weren’t morose or angst-ridden, and other than, you know, the constant threat of assassination and torture, the Mirror Universe seemed like [[EvilIsCool an exciting place to be.]]

->It's as if current DC editorial can't stand the thought that there was ever [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks a lighthearted story]] in their history, and rather than leaving them alone as a valuable counterpoint to the darkening of the DC universe, they're determined to force them into this new paradigm, whether they fit or not, and no matter what damage is done to the old stories in the process. It'd be one thing to just say that Max went rogue, but to assert that [[EvilAllAlong he was always engaged in this sort of activity]], in direct contradiction to his expressed thoughts when first published? [[VoodooShark Doesn't work for me,]] and makes me buy into the whole premise all the less.
-->--'''''[[http://asitecalledfred.com/comics101/109a.html Comics 101]]''''' on ''CountdownToFinalCrisis''

->One of [[Creator/NeilGaiman Gaiman’s]] advertising promises for his episode was that he wanted to have written a part for Creator/MattSmith that would secure him an UsefulNotes/{{BAFTA}} next year...instead what we get is a schizophrenic evaluation of his character which seems to suggest that the Doctor is actually [[DirtyOldMan some horribly sexist old letch]]. In Creator/StevenMoffat’s world, maybe, but not mine (there was an interesting note in ''The Writer’s Tale'' where [[Creator/RussellTDavies RTD]] notes that Moffat cannot help but write his characters as [[AuthorAppeal sexual beings]], which might be another reason why he feels a little out of character on occasion during this era).

->...''InfiniteCrisis'', a series that was ostensibly meant to be a 20th Anniversary follow-up to ''Crisis on Infinite Earths'' that instead became a [[{{Narm}} truly ludicrous pastiche]]. The main storyline began with Superboy-Prime literally ''punching continuity'' in order to '[[ArmedWithCanon fix]]' things and ended with the Golden Age Superman getting [[ShooOutTheClowns bloodily beaten to death]]. It was charming, I assure you.
-->-- '''Chris Sims''', [[http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/08/dc-comics-reboot-history/ "Time and Time Again: The Complete History of DC's Retcons and Reboots"]]

->Sue Dibny was the wife of Ralph Dibny, the Elongated Man. The two were always [[HappilyMarried the happy couple]] of the superhero set, with Sue often acting as [[TeamMom den mother]] to the Justice League, and the pair did detective work on the side, like some sort of stretchy [[TheThinMan Nick and Nora Charles]]. Then came the ''Identity Crisis'' mini-series.\\\
Right off the bat, Sue gets [[StuffedIntoTheFridge horribly burned to death]] in her home. The culprit is unknown, but based on the evidence, the League suspects it to be Dr. Light. Now Doc Light is usually a D-list villain... but we find out through a flashback that one day, when Sue was hanging out on the Justice League satellite (by herself, in space), Dr. Light somehow managed to get aboard. Yes, a supervillain had somehow [[SwissCheeseSecurity gained access to the League's high-tech HQ (in space)]], and that was when he decided to rape Sue to within an inch of her life. The League showed up soon after to pull him off of her, but the damage was done, and they had to blank Sue's memory to make her forget it. I wish they could do that to ''my'' memory—when I close my eyes, I keep seeing [[BrainBleach Dr. Light's rolling eyeballs and wagging tongue]] as he violates a minor character who never hurt anybody.

->Retconning became a fairly big trend in comics that has continued to this day... One consequence of this is the retroactive 'darkening' of superhero comics from bygone days. This is most evident in the now-infamous ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'', in which we see an old rape of Sue Dibny, one which [[HandWave never had any impact on the Dibnys themselves]]... Rape was also inserted into [[ComicBook/SpiderMan Felicia Hardy’s]] past and used as a motivation to her becoming the Black Cat. As ugly as these incidents are, they stem from the '[[DarkerAndEdgier grim-’n'-gritty]]' turn comics took in the mid-[[TheEighties 1980s]] as much as the obsession with retconning.
-->-- '''Greg Burgas''', "[[http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2010/03/22/how-kurt-busiek-unwittingly-ruined-marvel-and-dc-superhero-comics/ How Kurt Busiek (unwittingly) ruined Marvel and DC superhero comics!]]"