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Basically when a series is rolling along, and doing decent, if a bit obscure. Then one installment is released, and that installment takes over the series. Occasionally, a fan might go back and look at the obscure earlier entries, but within the general fanbase, this entry is the series from the moment of its release.

Often caused by a SurprisinglyImprovedSequel, and related to AdaptationDisplacement, MorePopularSpinoff, and OlderThanTheyThink. The aforementioned hardcore fans sometimes declare that ItsPopularNowItSucks. Usually happens with video games, but can apply to series in other media.

This does not count series which simply avert FirstInstallmentWins by having a non-iconic first installment that was never displaced from popular consciousness.

Exceptionally likely in video games when an old series, beloved by those who remember it but well vanished from the public consciousness, gets a new installment. See ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' and ''VideoGame/StreetFighterII''.

Contrast ItsPopularNowItSucks. The exact opposite of this is FirstInstallmentWins.

''Obligatory [[TropesAreTools Tropes Are Not Bad]] note: please don't call people stupid for finding out late and starting with a {{sequel}} in the middle of the series, therefore not knowing the previous ones, especially if there are no numbers in the title. If they refuse to acknowledge what came before, then you have a case of FanDumb. Starting with a sequel might lead to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.''

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!!Examples:

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[[folder:Media in General]]
* Any franchise released SequelFirst in some part of the world.
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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* ''Anime/GaoGaiGar'' is well-known amongst anime fans for {{re|construction}}starting the SuperRobotGenre to the HotBlooded days of yore and is one of the most popular HumongousMecha series out there. It also happens to be the ''eighth and last'' (not counting ''Anime/GaoGaiGar FINAL'' or the {{Vaporware}} ''Baan Gaan'') installment of the ''Brave'' series, while the first seven installments were only exported to the South and East Asian countries. Much of this is due to being the only show in the series to not only appear in the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games, but the only one [[NoExportForYou released to Western countries]].
* The parts of ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' everyone remembers are from the third part onward. The first two parts are a lot more like ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' than what the series later became.
** To the point that in America at the least, the series was localized with Chapter Three first, half of four next, and the rest ignored. This leads to a lot of MarthDebutedInSmashBros in some discussion forums.
** The video game adaptations have it even worse: first a Dreamcast fighting game based on 3, then a cel-shaded PS2 3D action game based on 5, and a beat 'em up based on 1.
** Also notable on ''VideoGame/JumpSuperStars'': The first game had Jôtarô and Dio (TheHero and BigBad of chapter 3) as playable and nobody else. The sequel promised including all the chapters, and they delivered... by making the other mains {{Assist Character}}s, but Dio and Jôtarô still as the only playables.
*** While Dio is also the BigBad of Chapter One, it is his Chapter Three incarnation that is most... [[MemeticMutation iconic]]. In fact, every one of his panels and almost all of his moves come from Part 3.
** Somewhat alleviated by the recent anime adaptation that is finally adapting the series in its proper order. Due to its surprising popularity in the west most new fans are more likely to know of the earlier parts first.
* ''Anime/UFORoboGrendizer'': In France, ''Grendizer'' was aired before its predecessor series, ''Anime/MazingerZ'' and ''Anime/GreatMazinger''. It became fenomenally popular in that country, but almost nobody knew it was the third part of a ''[[{{Mazinger}} trilogy]]'', to the point that, when ''Mazinger-Z'' was broadcast in France ten years later, people accused it of being a ''Grendizer'' rip-off.
* In ''Manga/DetectiveConan'', what many don't know is that Kaito Kid originally appeared in a short-lived manga, ''Manga/MagicKaito'', written by Aoyama. His appearance was just a mere {{Crossover}}. He was so [[EnsembleDarkhorse popular]] that he eventually became a main character and recurring nemesis of Conan.
* ''Anime/DragonBallZ'': The original series had several false starts in the U.S. Harmony Gold took a crack at it with a [[{{Macekre}} drastically altered dub]] in the late '80s, though this was quickly cancelled. Later, U.S. licensee Creator/{{FUNimation}} bought the rights to the entire animated canon at once with plans of selling the entire thing to syndication, starting with the first series. It flopped so hard, they stopped production after only 13 episodes and skipped ahead to the more action-oriented sequel series. The rest, as they say, is history.
** This isn't exclusive to the USA. ''Z'' is more popular everywhere, no matter what some say. Even in Japan, where most {{meme|ticMutation}}s and {{shout out}}s come from ''Z''.
* ''Manga/SailorMoon'' was a spinoff of an earlier manga titled ''Manga/CodenameSailorV'', which starred Minako during her days as Sailor V. The creator was asked to expand it into a team format which led to ''Sailor Moon''. ''Codename: Sailor V'' had only been released in a handful of countries outside of Japan, and never in parts of North America that are not Quebec.''Codename: Sailor V'' got an official English release in September 2011 alongside a new translation of ''Sailor Moon''; though it is doubtful it will become more popular, at least people will know it exists.
* ''Anime/TekkamanBlade'' (a.k.a. ''Teknoman''): Many people are not aware that it was a sequel of an earlier Tatsunoko anime, ''Anime/{{Tekkaman}}''. It doesn't help that ''Tekkaman Blade'' is barely a sequel, much less a remake.
** The presence of ''both'' in ''VideoGame/TatsunokoVsCapcom'' should help remedy this. Blade is still more popular, but the original now has [[MemeticMutation SPACE LANCE]] for people to remember him for...
* When you think of the character Casshern nowadays, you probably think of ''Anime/CasshernSins'' before ''Anime/NeoHumanCasshern''. In fact, [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes you'd be lucky if you found every episode of the latter.]]
* Outside of Japan, the first season of ''Franchise/{{Jewelpet}}'' is frequently ignored by anime watchers due to lack of a complete subbed version. Some sites even mistakenly replace videos from the first season with videos from the [[Anime/JewelpetTwinkle second season]].
* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' has an in-universe example with the Second and Third Impacts. The First Impact was the meteor impact that killed the dinosaurs off way back when.
* ''{{Anime/Yatterman}}'' managed to do this to ''Anime/TimeBokan'', its predecessor in a meta-series. In fact, there are some fans that don't have any idea it was part of a series at all. This has come to a head in the [[MilestoneCelebration 40th anniversary]] [[Anime/YoruNoYatterman anime]] for the franchise, which mainly takes its inspiration from ''Yatterman''.
** ''Yatterman'' has eclipsed the entire ''Time Bokan'' franchise to such a point where people are surprised that a non-Yatterman ''Time Bokan'' protagonist (Ippatsuman) managed to be featured in ''Videogame/TatsunokoVsCapcom''.
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[[folder:Comic Books]]
* Although created by Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby, ''ComicBook/{{X-Men}}'' didn't take off as a franchise until its relaunch by Len Wein and Dave Cockrum with the addition of new and highly popular characters like {{Storm}}, Nightcrawler, and [[WolverinePublicity especially]] {{Wolverine}}. Today, most people remember that particular team when asked to describe the X-Men and their ensuing adventures written by Chris Claremont.
** AdaptationDisplacement is also in effect here, as the later additions to the team became far better known thanks to the [[Film/XMen movies]] and the [[WesternAnimation/{{X-Men}} various]] [[WesternAnimation/XMenEvolution animated]] [[WesternAnimation/{{WolverineAndTheX-Men}} series]]. Characters like Wolverine and Storm are now largely recognizable, while far fewer people would be likely to identify someone like Angel or Polaris.
* The Belgian comic ''ComicBook/JohanAndPeewit'' is not very famous around the world. However, everybody knows its spin-off ''Franchise/TheSmurfs''.
* Like the ''X-Men'' example above, nobody really cared much about ''Comicbook/{{Supreme}}'' until Creator/AlanMoore came along. Many modern readers are unaware that there were already 40 issues prior the start to Moore's run.
* The second volume of ''Comicbook/DoomPatrol'' wasn't popular at all until Creator/GrantMorrison took over, and the title subsequently became one of the most iconic comics of the '80s and early '90s. Today, few people remember the initial 18 issues that preceded Morrison's run.
* Naturally, most people were unaware of the 1986 Superman reboot ''Comicbook/ManOfSteel'' or anything that continued from it. When TheDeathOfSuperman was released after a flurry of media coverage unheard of for a comic book saga, some more familiar with earlier comics or the character's various film and TV incarnations may have been confused to learn that Ma & Pa Kent were alive or that Superman and Lois were officially a couple with her knowing his secret identity. New and returning fans may have been even more confused by subplots born of elements introduced in the period between 1986 and 1992.
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[[folder:Film]]
* When most people think of ''Franchise/{{Rambo}}'', they picture the character shirtless in the jungle, slaying hundreds of {{mooks}} with machineguns and explosive arrows. In Rambo's first film, ''First Blood'', he's fighting American lawmen and only kills one in self-defense with a rock (and the man's death wasn't even intentional, or even really directly caused by Rambo). And it's also a relatively anti-war movie, though not nearly so much as the original book, focusing on the shameful reception of Vietnam veterans upon their return home. The film ends with Rambo crying his heart out over the injustice of war and those who wage it. The sequels are pure war porn.
** At least the second and third movies were ''fairly'' plausible. Most of the violence in First Blood Part 2 consists of Rambo methodically taking out soldiers one at a time, with one firefight against a small group of enemies and a couple wrestling duels with Yashin; the bulk of his kills happen after he commandeers a helicopter. 3 has him defeating an army, but with the help of a smaller army. The ''fourth'' movie, on the other hand...can you say UpToEleven?
* Partially because of its title and partially because it came out literally months after the first, only die hard ''[[Franchise/ThePinkPanther Pink Panther]]'' fans realize that the first sequel was not ''Return of the Pink Panther'', but the less well-known ''A Shot in the Dark''. Ironically, it's ''Shot'' that brought in many of the elements (Clouseau's karate "prowess", the increasing tomfoolery of his accent) and characters (Dreyfus and Cato) that were key to the later films; it's also commonly regarded as the best film of the series.
** Most people also think of the series as centering around the humorous slapstick misadventures of Inspector Clouseau, which started with ''A Shot in the Dark''. The original ''Pink Panther'' film actually had the Phantom as the main character with Clouseau as an antagonist. It's just that it was so hard not to relate to him.
* The original ''Film/MadMax'' (which was only given limited release in America) is far more obscure than its sequels ''Mad Max 2'' (renamed ''Film/TheRoadWarrior'' in America) and ''Film/MadMaxBeyondThunderdome''. Notably, while the sequels became highly influential visions of an AfterTheEnd world in their depictions of a post-apocalyptic wasteland, the original film is set in a ''pre''-apocalyptic civilization that is on the verge of/in the process of falling apart.
* While all ''Film/JamesBond'' films have recognition, the most famous is the third, ''Film/{{Goldfinger}}'' (''Film/DrNo'' is the first, and even that was preceded by a TV adaptation of ''Literature/CasinoRoyale''). And others haven't seen any before ''Film/GoldenEye'', the ''17th''.
* Many people have no idea that Creator/RobertRodriguez's ''Film/{{Desperado}}'' is actually the second film of a trilogy, the first being ''Film/ElMariachi'', which was made on a shoestring budget and never received a wide release.
* ''Film/TheGoodTheBadAndTheUgly'', the third installment of Creator/SergioLeone's Film/DollarsTrilogy, is even more famous than ''Film/AFistfulOfDollars'' and ''Film/ForAFewDollarsMore''.
* In the ''Franchise/EvilDead'' series, most people remember the ass-kicking character of Ash, toting a shotgun and sporting a chainsaw for a hand. The [[Film/TheEvilDead1981 first film]] of the series, however, is a more straight horror film with an ensemble cast. Ash is just a regular college kid who happens to make it to the end. Producers were even reluctant to call the second film ''Film/EvilDead2'' out of the belief that few people had even heard of the first film.
* Cult classic kung fu flick ''Film/MasterOfTheFlyingGuillotine'' is actually a sequel to the little-remembered film ''One Armed Boxer''.
* ''Film/BatmanBegins'' is considered a pretty good Batman film, especially compared to [[Film/BatmanForever the Schum]][[Film/BatmanAndRobin acher horrors]] that preceded it. However, it's ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' that is considered the great film of this generation, and thus is more remembered and acclaimed. Home media even refers to the series as "The Dark Knight Trilogy", rather than the "Batman Begins Trilogy". This caused some confusion with ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'''s plot, as it pulls more from the events of ''Batman Begins'' than of ''The Dark Knight''. Subverted in that "Batman Begins" is far from forgotten.
* Although it works fine as a stand-alone film, ''Film/Another TimeAnother Place'' is actually a sequel to a MadeForTVMovie based on another Jessie Kesson novel called ''The White Bird Passes'', which deals with the protagonist's childhood.
* Tom Laughlin released ''Born Losers'' in 1967, a typical biker flick featuring a half-breed Indian ex-Green Beret named Billy Jack. The movie proved a surprise success and Laughlin made an even more successful sequel, ''Billy Jack'', three years later. These days ''Born Losers'' is fairly obscure while ''Billy Jack'' has a massive cult following, followed by two sequels of its own.
* Two strange examples with ''Film/{{Troll 2}}'' and ''Film/SilentNightDeadlyNightPart2''. Both of these sequels are considered worse than the original movies, but have overshadowed them precisely ''because'' [[SoBadItsGood they're so bad and over-the-top]].
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[[folder:Literature]]
* James Branch Cabell wrote 20-odd books set in his "Poictesme" universe. They were little-read until the 7th one, ''Jurgen'', appeared in 1919: that one inspired the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice to attempt to prosecute Cabell for obscenity, naturally [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity giving the book great publicity]]. Afterwards Cabell went right back to obscurity. ''Jurgen'' is still by far the best known book in the series, although, in the author's own opinion and that of some fans, it's not the best. (One reprinted edition of his works gave a collection of pans from the critics... then after 1919 he issues book after book to be told that it was "not nearly as good as JURGEN.")
** Lampshaded in his later novel SMIRT, where the author AuthorAvatar protagonist talks God out of writing a sequel to the Bible, knowing how critics would treat it.
* DanBrown's runaway success ''Literature/TheDaVinciCode'' was a sequel to the much less known ''Literature/AngelsAndDemons''. This was retroactively countered by publishers and filmmakers, who hoped to take advantage of lingering Dan Brown fever by snapping up ''Angels and Demons'' and marketing it aggressively. Most people probably think ''Angels and Demons'' is the sequel; certainly this is the case for the movie.
* ''Literature/TheSilenceOfTheLambs'' is the ''second'' part in a series, though it's an easy mistake to make. As protagonist Clarice Starling is investigating her first case during the said book, and due to the movie adaptation's huge popularity, many fail to realize there was a first book; ''Literature/RedDragon'' covers the last case of Will Graham, and is connected through later-recurring characters like Hannibal Lecter and Jack Crawford.
** Following a proper film remake of ''Red Dragon'' and [[Series/{{Hannibal}} a prequel series]], however, the series better known as of late.
* ''Literature/LastOfTheMohicans'' is far more well known than ''[[Literature/TheLeatherstockingTales The Pioneers]]'', to which it was written as a prequel.
* Although not a RealLife example, in ''Literature/{{Dune}}'', Duke Leto, who was a charismatic and powerful leader that purchased one of the most important planets in the political system and created the second-best army in the universe, was completely overshadowed by his son, [[MessianicArchetype Paul]].
* Creator/HGWells' ''The Crystal Egg'', a short story about an alien artifact sent to Earth to spy on it in preparation for a coming invasion isn't remembered very well by most, especially compared to [[Literature/TheWarOfTheWorlds the story of said invasion]].
* ''Little House in the Big Woods'' was Laura Ingalls Wilder's first book, but it is the second in the series, ''Literature/LittleHouseOnThePrairie'', that is better known, to the extent that it is the name by which the whole series is now known.
* While ''Literature/TheHobbit'' is by no means obscure, it's not as well-known as ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''. With ''The Lord of the Rings'' getting a [[Film/TheLordOfTheRings film adaptation]] before ''Film/TheHobbit'', some people now believe that ''The Hobbit'' was written as a prequel after [=LotR=].
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[[folder:Live Action TV]]
* It's extremely common for a television series to become more popular after a few episodes or even after a few seasons (which makes EarlyInstallmentWeirdness possible) but sometimes a pilot or even a season is so different and/or obscure that it constitutes this.
** The ''{{Seinfeld}}'' pilot and the ensuing four-episode mini-season were more-or-less displaced by the later, more famous episodes and when the pilot and other shows air, fans are sometimes caught off guard.
** ''Series/SavedByTheBell'' is more-or-less a sequel to a series titled ''Good Morning, Miss Bliss''.
* In today's world, many people remember that sitcom about a short sassy black kid and another one about a quartet of girls in a school for girls. Not many realize that ''{{The Facts Of Life}}'' is a spin-off of ''{{Diffrent Strokes}}''.
* Most people today think of Kelsey Grammer as that pompous but likeable radio psychiatrist Frasier Crane from that sitcom ''{{Frasier}}''. Some older viewers may remember him as that pompous and initially very ''un''likeable psychiatrist from that ''other'' sitcom, ''{{Cheers}}''.
* In-universe example: In an episode of ''Series/ThirdRockFromTheSun'', it's revealed that the aliens' favorite film is ''Arthur 2: On The Rocks''. One day, Harry discovers the original ''Film/{{Arthur}}'':
-->'''Harry''': There's a prequel!\\
'''Sally''': Well, who knew? This is going to answer so many questions about ''Arthur 2''.\\
'''Harry''': Yeah, like the "2".
* Many modern fans are unaware that ''Series/{{Ultraman}}'' was a follow-up to a lesser-known show called ''Series/UltraQ''. And with good reason, as ''Q'' took place before the ''Franchise/UltraSeries'' made a GenreShift into straight-up {{Superhero}} action, and as such comes across closer in tone to ''Series/TheOuterLimits'' or ''Series/TheXFiles''.
* ''Series/RedDwarf''. For many fans, the show didn't really establish its status quo until the third series (Red Dwarf III).
* ''Series/DoctorWho'': Most viewers nowadays are more likely to have seen the 2005 relaunch than the original series.
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[[folder:Music]]
* The Music/BarenakedLadies are probably best known in the US for their border-crossing breakout hit "One Week" from the album ''Stunt'' (1998). It's possible, even likely, that most Americans believe ''Stunt'' is their first album. The band had been together for a decade before that and had recorded ''nine'' albums, ''Stunt'' included, in that time. In fairness, of those nine, five were independent demo recordings, three of which weren't even widely released (one wasn't released at all), but even if you lived in Canada, it's unlikely you knew they even had an album before 1992's ''Gordon''.
* Music/{{Deadmau5}}'s debut album wasn't ''Random Album Title''. His first two albums aren't even mentioned on the official website, despite having one of his more popular songs, 1981.
* Music/FelixMendelssohn's first violin concerto is relatively obscure. His second is one of the most recognizable pieces from the early Romantic period. Most people think he only wrote one.
* Did you know that that famous piece ''Liebestraum'' by FranzLiszt is actually ''Liebestraum No. 3''? Now you do.
* Similarly, Music/FryderykChopin's first piano sonata, in C minor, is often overlooked and rarely performed. The second, in B-flat minor, is much more famous, as it contains a well-known FuneralMarch as the third movement. The third, in B minor, is also better-known and much better-received than the first.
* Music/SergeiRachmaninoff is perhaps best known for the virtuoso piano writing and lush romantic melodies of his second (C minor) and third (D minor) piano concertos, the latter of which was featured in ''Film/TheShining''. The first concerto, in F-sharp minor, is rarely heard, as is the fourth, in G major.
* Grammy awards for Best New Artist are often given to new stars whether or not they have released any albums prior to their break-out success.
** Music/PaulaCole received a Best New Artist Grammy for her second album.
** Music/KennyChesney won a Best New Male Vocalist award shortly before the release of his ''fourth'' album.
** Shelby Lynne won this award in 2001, and in her very irritated acceptance speech reminded everyone that she had been recording and releasing albums for over ''10 years''.
** ''Welcome Interstate Managers'' was the third album by Fountains of Wayne, released seven years after their first, self-titled, album. But the breakaway hit "Stacy's Mom" (the first - and usually, [[OneHitWonder only]] - Fountains of Wayne song the general public is widely familiar with) from ''Managers'' led to Fountains of Wayne getting nominations for Best New Artist.
** Music/AmyWinehouse. Won Best New Artist although she already had a best-selling album in Britain beforehand. ''Back to Black'' is her ''second'' album.
** Music/TheJonasBrothers. Nominated ''after'' being discovered by Disney.
** The Music/BackstreetBoys. First album? 1996. Grammy Best New Artist nod? 1999.
** Music/AlanisMorissette. ''Jagged Little Pill'' was her third album; she'd released [[OldShame two albums of cheesy synth-pop]] in her native Canada as just [[OnlyOneName "Alanis"]].
** BonIver won the 2012 Grammy for Best New Artist, despite their first album being released in 2007. Skrillex also already had several [=EPs=] before being nominated.
* Similarly, Suzy Bogguss had been recording since 1981, but won the Country Music Association's Horizon award in 1992. The fact that said award is now called the New Artist Award should clue you in as to how her win fits this trope.
** Gary Allan won the same award in 2003, even though he had been recording since 1996.
* And Justin Moore won the Academy of Country Music's Best New Artist award in 2014, months after the release of his ''third'' album. And it's not like his previous albums were flops, either — the first two both went gold and produced a combined three #1 hits.
* Music/BobDylan's first album was not ''The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan'' but a self-titled album containing only two original songs.
* Anything an artist records before they score a major studio deal is usually ignored. For example:
** Only hardcore Music/{{Eminem}} fans even know of his first album, which was '''not''' ''The Slim Shady LP''. Only 250 copies of ''Infinite'' were sold.
** ''Good News For People Who Love Bad News'' was the ''fourth'' Modest Mouse album and their second album on a major label. Their first being ''The Moon & Antarctica'' in 2000.
* Music/GreenDay exploded in 1994 with the hit single "Basket Case", from their ''third'' album, ''Dookie''. Unless you were a major follower of the independent punk rock scene, you probably thought ''Dookie'' was their debut. They actually released two EP's, ''1,000 Hours'' (1989) and ''Slappy'' (1990), as well as two full albums, ''39/Smooth'' (1990), and ''Kerplunk'' in 1991. The first three were re-released in 1991 in one extended recording, now called ''1,039/Smoothed Out Slappy Hours''. Unless you're a huge Green Day fan, you likely have still only ever heard of ''Kerplunk'' and even that is unlikely.
** It would seem that no tracks from Music/GreenDay's ''International Superhits!'' precede ''Dookie''. Until you realize one of the ''Dookie''[-'-]s most well-known songs, "Welcome to Paradise", [[OlderThanTheyThink is a re-recording from the previous album]].
** Music/FallOutBoy's ''From Under the Cork Tree'', often listed as their debut by even music writers, is their second album. While "Take This To Your Grave", their first album, and "Evening Out With Your Girlfriend" (their second ep and an OldShame for the band) are more often listed as their debut, but that honor goes to [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Rocket_/_Fall_Out_Boy a split EP]] they did with drummer Andy Hurley's then current band Project Rocket. The split EP featured songs that would later appear on "Evening Out" and Andy would later join Fall Out Boy after Project Rocket's breakup in 2003.
** Yes, Music/{{Nirvana}} made an album before ''Nevermind''. "About A Girl" is most likely the only song non-fans would know from ''Bleach'', due to the ''Unplugged In New York'' version getting radio airplay. The studio version of the song is the only ''Bleach'' track on the self-titled GreatestHitsAlbum too. Kurt even {{lampshade|Hanging}}s this in the Unplugged album: before playing "About a Girl," he quips "This song is off our first album, which means no one has ever heard it before."
** Kurt Cobain's death and subsequent legendary rock-martyrdom (as well as being labeled "The Godfather of Grunge" even while still alive) has provided ''Bleach'' with some [[RetroactiveRecognition retroactive recognition]] but it's not impossible that if Cobain was still alive, no one would remember that Nirvana had an album before ''Nevermind''. Also, considering the number of compilations, live albums, et al released well after Cobain's death, it's possible for many to forget that they only had ''three'' studio albums, the third and last being 1993's ''In Utero''.
** Switchfoot's three albums prior to ''The Beautiful Letdown'', featuring "Meant to Live" and "Dare You to Move", are largely unknown outside the ChristianRock fandom.
** Good Charlotte made a self-titled album with a different drummer before they achieved worldwide success with ''The Young and The Hopeless''. At concerts they'll sometimes say they were going to play a song "off our first album", and everyone would cheer thinking it was from ''The Young and the Hopeless''... Then they'd play "Festival Song" and half the audience would get really quiet... and the other half would scream even louder!
*** In the UK, this is in place even more so than America - the self-titled album was only released after ''The Young and The Hopeless'', and the music videos have never seen any airplay in the country.
** Music/WizKhalifa's ''Rolling Papers'' is his third album, but his first on a major label, and his first with a major hit in "Black and Yellow".
** Music/{{Drake}} released his first mixtape, ''Room for Improvement'', in 2006 but didn't get a record deal until 2009. Only hardcore fans really know about that and the other mixtape he made. A weird version with this, because his first hit single, "Best I Ever Had", was actually released on a mixtape made before he had a record deal.
* Music/TearsForFears's second album, ''Songs From the Big Chair'' was far more popular than their first and contains their best-known songs, including "Everybody Wants to Rule the World", "Shout" and "Head Over Heels". The main reason for its success is that it was huge in America, whereas their first album "The Hurting" and its singles had mostly had success in the UK. "Mad World" was a hit single in the UK at the time, but gained worldwide popularity when it was covered by[[OneHitWonder Michael Andrews and Gary Jules.]] years later. The band have gone on record saying that they love this CoverVersion.
* Despite the title track being one of their best known singles, Music/TheWho's ''My Generation'' album was out of print in the [=UK=] for decades, and prior to 2005 only an altered [=U.S.=] release was available on [=CD=].
* Six years before his breakout album ''Bat Out of Hell'', Music/MeatLoaf recorded a duets album with Stoney Murphy. Even the record's producers forgot about it in the intervening six years, reissuing it with Edwin Starr's vocals in place of Meat Loaf's. After Meat Loaf became a household name, the album was reissued again, with his lyrics restored, but Stoney's removed.
* Japan's first two albums 'Adolescent Sex' and 'Obscure Alternatives'. David Sylvian has even gone on record saying they should never have released their first album. This isn't surprising because the album is a SoBadItsGood attempt at jazz influenced glam rock. They did however perform tracks from 'Obscure Alternatives' up until they broke up, but it divides fans due to Sylvian's completely different vocal style and the occasionally banal lyrics. The compilation 'Assemblage', which features a couple of tracks from their first album is much better remembered, and some people believed it was their first album until the remasters came out, which contains an image on the spine which can only be completed by buying all the albums in the set.
* Many people are unaware that Music/BobMarley And The Wailers released many singles and four albums in Jamaica before signing with Island in 1973. This happened 11 years after Bob released his first single.
* Many people think that New Gold Dream was Simple Minds' first album, despite the fact it was their sixth (or fifth if you count Sons And Fascination and Sister Feelings Call as a double album).
* Music/TheOffspring's GreatestHitsAlbum include nothing before their third/breakthrough album, ''Smash''.
* Hardly anybody knows Music/{{Supertramp}}'s first two albums, which preceded a revamp in line-up (only the two bandleaders stayed) and sound.
* Music/DavidBowie had recorded 2 entire albums and released one before ''Space Oddity'' (titled ''Man of Words, Man of Music'' until a 1972 reissue) made him famous and codified his style. His 2nd album in recording order, ''Love You Till Tuesday'', was a casualty of Deram Records' financial problems, and received no authorized release until recently (although the lead single was released, complete with an ad for the thought-to-be-upcoming album on the sleeve).
* Music/{{Journey}} released 3 albums, with 2 different frontmen, in a weird experimental style that drifted between jazz and techno, before Steve Perry and an arena rock sound made them superstars.
* Music/{{Queen}}'s first (self-titled) album is largely forgotten or unknown by all but the most hardcore Queen fans. Their popularity began to pick up with ''Queen II'', spiked with ''Sheer Heart Attack'' and probably peaked with ''A Night At The Opera'', but ''Queen'' has ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Queen almost]]) never had a single song featured on any collection albums. This is a shame, because it's a strong debut.
** In fairness, the band only included Top 20 hits on Greatest Hits, thus several later period singles don't appear on it either. The band remained proud of "Keep Yourself Alive" and performed it constantly later on, however, so this is simply a case of too many hits.
** Possibly because ''Queen II'' was where the "classic" sound came together. One can argue the merits of their debut, but it had a noticeably different sound to their later work, with a more pronounced early '70s Zeppelin-influenced hard rock feel and some religious themes.
* Music/PinkFloyd's '' Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'' was either their sixth or eighth album, depending on whether or not you include two albums the band made as soundtracks for obscure French hippie films. Either way, you'd be surprised by how many casual/new fans earnestly believe the band's debut album was ''Dark Side''.
** The band did have two top 20 hits in the 1960s, but only in Britain. Most Americans aren't familiar with it.
** Not really surprising, seeing the band themselves admitted they didn't really know what they were doing before ''Dark Side'' or possibly ''Meddle''.
* Music/EltonJohn made an album before his self-titled one. But almost no one has even heard of it, except for Americans who think it's his tenth album (it was released there six years after it was released in Britain).
* Wicked Lester, founded by Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. Nobody remembers it. Music/{{KISS}}, however, is quite well known.
* No one remembers a Music/FleetwoodMac without Stevie Nicks, even though she didn't join the band until 1975, a full ''eight years'' after the band was formed. ''Not even Fleetwood Mac''.
* Mobb Deep's first album, ''Juvenile Hell'', is mostly forgotten. Their follow up, ''The Infamous'' is what really made the duo stars of the New York hardcore hip hop scene.
* Music/{{Genesis}}' first album, 1969's ''From Genesis to Revelation'', was recorded by a lineup which featured Anthony Phillips on guitar and John Silver on drums. It was marred by Johnathan King's string-laden overproduction and Decca Records' ExecutiveMeddling. The group do not own the rights to the album and appear to have disowned it. The more ProgressiveRock -based ''Trespass'', from 1970, featured more of the band's trademark sound and style, but was, like ''FGTR'', a commercial failure. The first major Genesis success was 1971's ''Nursery Cryme'', featuring the cult hit, "The Musical Box". By then, the classic line-up of Music/PeterGabriel, Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks, and new members Steve Hackett and Music/PhilCollins was established, and the group's sound better defined and produced.
** Music/{{Genesis}} have indeed [[OldShame disowned]] ''FGTR'', and stopped performing numbers from it very early on. The majority of the fans agree with this and discount ''FGTR'' from the canon discography or treat it like an outtake or bootleg. Lineup and style aside, ''Trespass'' still has a firm place in the fandom's hearts, however, and numbers from it have made regular appearances at gigs, especially "The Knife".
* Music/ShaniaTwain released an unsuccessful self-titled debut album in 1993 featuring a more traditional country-pop sound and style, before making it big with the Robert John "Mutt" Lange-produced, more rock-flavored hit style the introduced on its followup, ''The Woman In Me''.
* Carole King's ''Tapestry'' was a huge hit in part because of the perception that after a successful songwriting career she was finally stepping out to make a statement as a performer. But she'd already released a smattering of singles in the '60s, including one ("It Might as Well Rain Until September") that became a fairly big hit in both the US and the UK. Then in 1968 she released an album with her band The City (''Now That Everything's Been Said'') that was basically a Carole King solo album, since she wrote all the songs and sang lead on all but one. Then a year before ''Tapestry'' she released her first official solo album, ''Writer''.
* Most people are introduced to Music/TheyMightBeGiants via ''Flood'', which was their third album.
* Music/JimmyBuffett's 1973 album ''A White Sport Coat and a Pink Crustacean'' marked the debut of the style that would make him famous, but it was actually his second released album and third recorded album (after his folk-pop debut album flopped his former label refused to release the similar-sounding second album, claiming they lost the master tape. After his later success they miraculously found the tape and released it).
* Music/WarrenZevon's debut album was not his self-titled 1975 set, but 1969's ultra-obscure ''Wanted Dead or Alive''. And before then he recorded a couple singles as a member of the duo Lyme & Cybelle.
* Music/{{Nickelback}}'s debut album was released in the late '90s, and it was not ''Silver Side Up'', the album that got them popular even in their own homeland of Canada. Even though the group previously had rock radio hits in "Leader of Men" and "Worthy to Say" (the former went top 10 on the Mainstream Rock charts), most people don't appear to remember anything before ''Silver Side Up'''s "How You Remind Me".
* Music/JeanMichelJarre released a couple of albums before his international breakthrough Oxygène (one intended as library music and the other a film soundtrack), though both remained obscure and the former is still out of print.
* Music/MichaelJackson's solo debut isn't ''Off the Wall'' - his ''fifth'' album (but like the rap examples above, the first after a label change).
** While everyone knows that Jackson was a member of the Jackson 5, one of Motown's most successful groups, few people know that he actually had solo hits "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough," let alone singles. "Got to be There," "Rockin' Robin," and "Ben" were all top 10 hits, with the lattermost song becoming his first number-one.
** [[Music/JanetJackson His little sister]] also falls into this. Most people tend to think Janet's first album was ''Control''. It is actually her third. In all fairness, however, Janet stated herself that she sees ''Control'' as the official start of her music career.
* Music/IronMaiden's first two albums have their fans, and the first has the self-titled song that closes all concerts. But the albums are easily overshadowed by ''The Number Of The Beast'', which introduced charismatic front-man Music/BruceDickinson.
* Remember those 2 albums Music/MCHammer made in the '80s? No, you don't, because you'd never heard of him back then, because it was his third album, "Please Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em" that he finally had his first hit with "U Can't Touch This".
* Music/RedHotChiliPeppers started their breakout with their fourth album, ''Mother's Milk''... and after a label change became superstars with the fifth, ''Blood Sugar Sex Magik''.
** Luckily, their third album ''The Uplift Mofo Party Plan'' will always be remembered because it's the only one they made with the original lineup of guitarist Hillel Slovak and drummer Jack Irons. Hillel's death a year after its release affected the band so much that they constantly reference it in their music.
* Though ''Split Enz'' had a few hits with their third and fourth albums ''Dizrythmia'' and ''Frenzy'', it wasn't until their fifth album ''True Colours'' that their success really took off.
* Music/NoDoubt was endlessly amused when they were nominated for the Best New Artist Grammy for the wildly popular ''Tragic Kingdom'' album. It was actually their third album, and they had been performing for nearly a decade. Creator/DavidLetterman even referred to ''Tragic Kingdom'' as their first album when No Doubt made their first appearance on his show.
* Finger Eleven is a very strange Canadian example. Most people first heard of them during the release of their self-titled album (which spawned a couple of big hits), which was released in 2003. However, the band (minus one member who left in the mid-90's) previously played as a group called Rainbow Butt Monkeys, which had already produced a debut album before they changed their name to Finger Eleven. Furthermore, their self-titled disc was their ''third'' studio release - the band had already released two albums in 1997 and 2000.
** Not only that, but their most famous song never came until their fourth album, "Them vs. You vs. Me". That song? A little ditty called "Paralyzer."
* Kardinal Offishall signed to Akon's Konvict Muzik Records in 2007, and promptly released his (to date) best-selling single (and his only American hit) "Dangerous" on his first album with the label, ''Not 4 Sale.'' Akon was the guest artist on the song, was the main reason it became a hit in America, where the song is still more associated with him than with Offishall. However, many people who bought the album and enjoyed it in the U.S. apparently didn't realize that Offishall had been a household rap name in Canada for a good '''9 years beforehand'''. ''Not 4 Sale'' was Kardinal's fourth studio album, and he had already received critical acclaim and Canadian awards for several chart-topping hits.
* Many people haven't heard any of The Human League's material prior to their third album ''Dare'', which included the breakout single "Don't You Want Me?".
* Music/DeepPurple's first three albums, while fairly popular in the United States (like their cover of "Hush"), are generally overshadowed by their fourth album ''Deep Purple in Rock'', which set them on the road to pioneering HeavyMetal.
* Many Music/MyChemicalRomance fans are unaware the band made music before ''Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge'' and are typically surprised upon discovering 'I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me Your Love''.
* Music/{{Abba}}'s first album Ring Ring wasn't widely known until the band became big later in the 70s. Most people think that their Eurovision entry "Waterloo" was their first single, when it was on their second album.
* ''Music/{{KMFDM}}'''s debut, ''Opium'', was initially only released as a limited run of 200 casettes, and due to the tapes being lost for a long time, didn't see a rerelease until 2003. Thus, to most fans, ''What Do You Know Deutschland'' was their first album.
* ''You've Come A Long Way Baby'' was Music/FatboySlim's mainstream debut. Before that, he had ''Better Living Through Chemistry''.
* The original lineup of Music/TheMoodyBlues was an R&B-influenced [[TheBritishInvasion British Invasion]] quintet with Denny Laine (later to join Wings) on vocals and guitar, and Clint Warwick on bass. They had a minor hit with a cover of Bessie Banks' Go Now", and an album called "The Magnificent Moodies" in 1965. Laine and Warwick were replaced by Justin Hayward and John Lodge, respectively, who created the progressive sound the Moodies are known for with their second album, 1967's ''Days Of Future Passed" (which featured "Nights In White Satin").
* Music/FranzFerdinand's video for "Take Me Out" was the one that shot them to fame, no doubt due to the rather avant garde style used in the video. It was actually their second video, their first was "Darts of Pleasure", which was a more typical video.
* Many Music/KellyClarkson fans outside the US never saw her on ''Series/AmericanIdol'' and assume her incredibly popular album "Breakaway" was her first when it's really her second after "Thankful".
* Music/DefLeppard made two albums before its breakthrough ''Pyromania''. Even the band itself tends to ignore them.
* Practically any huge act past its prime has a tendency to ignore songs from its two albums previous to their latest tour unless some song from said albums was a huge hit. These acts prefer to only play their classic-era songs and songs from the new album they are promoting at the time.
*** Except for ''Start Me Up'', Music/TheRollingStones rarely play live anything from TheEighties nowadays.
*** Nor does Music/PaulMcCartney play stuff from his catalog of songs written between 1984 and 1994.
*** Music/TheWho don't play in concert songs from the Kenny Jones era that much either.
*** The only post-''Back in Black'' songs Music/{{ACDC}} plays regularly are "For Those About to Rock" and "Thunderstruck". The ones from the album being promoted are included, and Who Made Who" has some rare appearances.
* [[Music/{{Edguy}} Edguy's]] first album was not ''Kingdom of Madness'', but ''The Savage Poetry'', released two years before Kingdom. To further confuse fans, they remade ''The Savage Poetry'' in 2000 (removing the ''The'' from the title in the process). However, the first ''Savage Poetry'' was self-published, while Kingdom was their first album with a record label.
* Music/{{Eurythmics}}' first album ''In The Garden'' wasn't much of a success at the time and is still generally overlooked today. Their career really took off with the SurprisinglyImprovedSequel, ''Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)''.
** Even less well known is Lennox and Stewart's first band, The Tourists, who had one minor chart hit (a cover of the old DustySpringfield song ''I Only Want To Be With You'').
** Both "I Only Wanna Be With You" and the follow-up "So Good To Be Back Home Again" went top ten in the UK, only for the band to almost instantly fall apart. Interestingly, the album both these hits came from, ''Reality Effect'', was itself an example of this trope, being the more successful follow-up to the largely overlooked ''The Tourists''.
* Music/AliceCooper's first big album was ''Love It to Death''. However, that was their ''third'' album and the last of a three record deal. The previous two albums, ''Pretties for You'' and ''Easy Action'', tanked commercially and critically and it wasn't until ''Love It to Death'' that the band clued in on its signature sound. No song from the first two records has been played since the tour of the third and most people forget they exist.
* Music/{{Pantera}}'s ''Cowboys From Hell'' is actually their ''fifth'' album. Though [[OldShame the band does their best]] to convince you it's their first.
* Music/TheBlackEyedPeas are an interesting case. ''Elephunk'' is often considered to be their breakout album, but not many know that they had two prior albums that were released by Interscope prior to this - ''Behind the Front'' and ''Bridging The Gap''. Very few people know about the existence of these records - not only did both of them fail to crack the Top 50 U.S. albums on Billboard, but they had a [[ThePeteBest different female vocalist]] (Kim Hill), and the production values were smaller-scale and focused on "preemo" beats.
* Music/{{Shakira}}'s first two albums (''Magia'' and ''Peligro'') were only released in Colombia and have been long-since deleted. She also had two Spanish-language albums (''Pies Decalzos'' and ''¿Donde Estan Los Ladrones?'') that were huge hits before ''Laundry Service'' launched her in the English-speaking world.
* Three of Music/ImagineDragons' first four hit songs-"Radioactive", "Demons", and "On Top of the World"-premiered on an EP titled, ''Continued Silence''. Its name sets it up as the follow-up to Imagine Dragons' second independently-released EP, ''Hell and Silence''. None of the songs featured there charted as highly as the most popular tunes from ''Continued Silence''. Additionally, only one song from ''Hell and Silence'' made it onto the original releases of the band's first studio album, ''Night Visions'', while all but two of the tracks from ''Continued Silence'' earned inclusion. Consequently, only the most hardcore Firebreathers remember it (as well as the other two independent [=EPs=]), for now.
* Music/{{Vocaloid}} didn't become a big hit as a software until Miku Hatsune, which came out with Vocaloid 02, grew in popularity.
* The debut of Music/HourOfPenance is mistaken to be ''The Vile Conception'' when it's actually ''Disturbance''. ''Pageantry for the Matyrs'' is also quite to overlooked album.
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* TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} is a good example, being far more popular outside the UK than TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} is.
** To the point where most people who are not into the tabletop gaming scene will refer to 40k simply as "Warhmammer," sometimes to the point of not even realizing that there is a medieval fantasy version.
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* The ''Franchise/MetalGear'' series didn't achieve much in the way of mainstream popularity until ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' was released for the PlayStation. This is mainly because the original {{MSX}}2 version of ''VideoGame/MetalGear'' only saw an official English release for the European market, while ''[[VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake]]'' was [[NoExportForYou released exclusively in Japan]]. The series did have some prior exposure in North America in the form of a NintendoEntertainmentSystem port of the first game (a ReformulatedGame rather than a straight port), as well as an NES-exclusive sequel titled ''[[VideoGame/SnakesRevenge Snake's Revenge]]'' that has no connection to anything that happens afterward.
** Lampshaded in the in-game commercials for ''MetalGearAcid'', where [[http://youtu.be/PXvDzAOksmQ?t=56s the ad for the "Chronicle" pack]] (which features trading cards based on the two MSX games and other Kojima/KCEJ games) reminds the player that "[[OlderThanTheyThink Metal Gear wasn't always in 3D.]]"
* Creator/{{Bungie}}'s ''VideoGame/{{Marathon}}'' introduced a lot of things to the first person shooter genre and the video game industry as a whole, but everybody just remembers ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''. This might be considered a case of SpiritualSuccessor Displacement.
* Averted with ''Zelda'' where, after fans play one of the later versions, they usually try out the earlier versions as well and it is hard to find a fan that doesn't know of the earlier games. However, considering ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time]]'''s success, a few who started with that game call ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaMajorasMask Majora's Mask]]'' "Zelda 2" (something that [[FandomBerserkButton if said, will get someone into trouble]]).
* ''Summer Carnival'' shoot 'em ups has a really weird case of this. First of all, ''VideoGame/{{Recca}}'' might be ''mistakenly'' considered a sequel displacement because there was a game that was released year earlier, ''Spriggan'', which kept the same ''Summer Carnival'' brand name. Moreover, the latter games from this series, ''Alzadick'' and ''Nexzr'', may also be mistakenly considered follow-ups, but in reality... Not only ''Recca'' and the remaining SC games were released on different platforms and developed by different teams, they have '''absolutely''' nothing shared in general, save for the genre, the setting and belonging to the same somewhat forgotten gaming event, which is arguably the real example of this trope.
** Also, have you ever heard about ''Alzadick'' having its' own '''sequel''' on PlayStation2?
* ''[[VideoGame/TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever Triangle Heart 3]]''. What little attention that gets over the other two is only because of the poster child for MorePopularSpinoff, ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', and the only reason it gets ''any'' attention is due to its sequel {{O|riginalVideoAnimation}}VA - which, unlike the ''[=TH2=]'' anime, was [[BleachedUnderpants suitable for all audiences]], although it still doesn't make any sense unless you play the game first.
* ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterI Street Fighter]]'', released in 1987, introduced many of the same concepts later used by its sequel ''VideoGame/StreetFighterII'', namely a six-button configuration and command-based special moves, but the game was merely a cult hit due to its stiff controls and lack of any playable character other than Ryu and Ken. The six-button configuration was an afterthought, created as a cheaper alternative for arcade owners who couldn't afford the deluxe cabinet that used two large mechatronic punching pads for each player that determined the strength of the player's attacks based on how hard they were pushed. ''Street Fighter II'' refined all the mechanics from the original game, keeping the six-button configuration, while adding multiple player characters, essentially giving birth to the fighting game boom of the '90s. Also, while everyone knew about the player's special moves in ''Street Fighter II'' from the get go because the commands were printed on the instruction card. Because of this, people often forget that Ryu and Ken's three special attacks in the original were literally secret techniques that the player needed to discover for themselves. The ([[ClassicCheatCode subsequently unchanged]]) control sequence was devised so it could be [[{{Pun}} hit on]] by accident, provoking players to spend lots of time (and credits) trying to find out how the hell they'd done it.
** Interestingly enough, the ''exact same thing'' has happened to ''II''. Ask any hardcore fan for their opinion of ''The World Warrior'', and you'll most likely get a [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny litany of gripes]]. Horribly unbalanced, tons of cheap tricks (including the infamous "tick throws"), tons of glitches, Guile rules the universe, way too easy to do ridiculous damage, redizzies, infinites, etc. Anyone who just started picking up ''Street Fighter II'' would find ''The World Warrior'' just about unrecognizable.
* It may be the case with the ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' series when it leaped into 3D. With the release of ''[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIII III]]'', to be precise, which discarded both the original and ''Grand Theft Auto 2''.
* Try telling fans that ''VideoGame/DukeNukem'' was originally a [[RealMenWearPink pink sweater-wearing]] [[Series/TheOprahWinfreyShow Oprah fan]]. They would probably just laugh at you.
** From another angle, most people think of Duke Nukem as being a FirstPersonShooter hero, which is a shame, given how he shines in the SideScrollingPlatformers where he has his roots.
* The ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' series is an unusual example. Most people are cognizant of Mario's adventures in the original ''VideoGame/DonkeyKong'', but the first game where he was billed as a star, ''VideoGame/MarioBros.'' (without the "Super"), was comparatively obscure, though a redone version ended up as "that minigame from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros3''." However, ''VideoGame/MarioBros'' is likely more well known these days, especially since Nintendo put a remake of the game in multiple GameBoyAdvance ''Mario'' games and, unlike the minigame in ''Super Mario Bros. 3'', referred to said remake using the original's name, with the games it is packaged with including the ''Super Mario Advance'' games and ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiSuperstarSaga''. Until then, the Mario series really didn't take off until ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros1'' ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Brawl'' seems to make an effort towards its recognition, by including a "Mario Bros." stage.
* While many people are aware of ''[[VideoGame/SoulSeries Soulcalibur]]'', even though it was the sequel that had greater prominence and sales, there are a handful that have even heard of ''Soul Edge[=/=]Soul Blade'', an arcade/PlayStation game that preceded the first ''Soulcalibur''.
** The PlayStation version sold well at the time of release (garnering a platinum release), but became overlooked upon the release of ''[[VideoGame/{{Tekken}} Tekken 3]]''.
** Not only that, but the official name of the series is the ''Soul'' series, yet 99% of all video gamers know the series as the "''Soulcalibur'' series".
* Who hasn't heard of ''Rayman: VideoGame/RavingRabbids''? Yet, not many people realize it was part of a platforming series called ''VideoGame/{{Rayman}}'', the first installment of which was released in...1995! For the UsefulNotes/AtariJaguar and Sony PlayStation (also, the [=PS1=] version was one of the best-selling [=PS1=] games ever, especially in Europe).
** Rayman 2 is a rather well-known platformer, at worst a CultClassic, and outshines the original.
* ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'', a.k.a. ''Seiken Densetsu II'' from the ''VideoGame/WorldOfMana'' series. Even in Japan, the first game was released with the subtitle of ''Final Fantasy Gaiden'' and was presented as more of a ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' game than its own entity. In America, it was only released as ''Final Fantasy Adventure'', leaving many Americans unaware that it was even a Mana game at all. In both cases, ''Secret of Mana'' greatly overshadowed it and came to define the series worldwide. A later [[VideoGameRemake remake]] of the first game even redid several key mechanics and the entire aesthetic to look more like ''Seiken Densetsu II'' and its sequel.
* ''VideoGame/ShadowHearts''. ''Koudelka'', the first game of the series that was released on the original [=PlayStation=], tends to be described just as "The prequel of Shadow Hearts".
* While the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' series of PC games is still critically acclaimed and has a loyal following, ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' is a far more mainstream success, and most modern fans were probably introduced to the series through it.
* ''VideoGame/TimeSplitters 2''. ''Timesplitters 1'' was not as well known and only saw a [=PS2=] release.
* ''VideoGame/DuneII''. Yes folks, there was another ''Literature/{{Dune}}'' video game. And not even a bad one at that. Just of a completely different genre than ''Dune 2''.
* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall'' single-handedly invented and refined ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''' trademark roleplaying system, introduced the open sandbox game world, and defined the non-linearity characteristic to the series. ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena Arena]]'', by comparison, was quickly forgotten, only brought up ten years later, when it was released for free to promote ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]''...
** Each subsequent ''Elder Scrolls'' game does this to previous games in the series.
* ''VideoGame/Wolfenstein3D, VideoGame/ReturnToCastleWolfenstein,'' and ''VideoGame/{{Wolfenstein}}'' have numerous fans, few of whom recall (or even know about) the original '' VideoGame/CastleWolfenstein'' and ''Beyond Castle Wolfenstein'' games.
* VisualNovel/SteinsGate is a sequel to VisualNovel/ChaosHead that ended up being ''far'' more popular in the West than its predecessor is. In addition to Steins;Gate [[EvenBetterSequel largely being considered a better story overall]], one of the biggest reasons for Chaos;Head's comparative lack of popularity is that its anime adaptation was by and large [[AdaptationDecay considered to be subpar]], even without the source material taken into account. Most visual novels become popular outside of Japan as a result of people enjoying their anime adaptations, so the fact that Steins;Gate's adaptation was generally ''very'' well received gave it a major advantage over Chaos;Head in terms of popularity. Also, since Steins;Gate is only connected to Chaos;Head in the first place due to them [[TheVerse taking place in the same world]], all of the [[ContinuityNod Continuity Nods]] made to Chaos;Head in Steins;Gate won't be understood by anyone unfamiliar with the former story, and you don't need to read Chaos;Head first in order to understand Steins;Gate at all, most Steins;Gate fans aren't even aware that the two stories are connected in the first place. Further hurting its accessibility is that, as a direct result of the sequel displacement, Steins;Gate is the only visual novel out of the two to have an ''official'' translation [[note]]there ''is'' allegedly one in progress for Chaos;Head right now by the same publisher, JAST, but it seems to be stuck in DevelopmentHell at the moment[[/note]]. While the Chaos;Head visual novel ''can'' be read by English speaking audiences via a completed FanTranslation, the legality of this translation is under even ''more'' dubious legality than usual because it was taken down from its website of origin shortly after its release due to an agreement with its Japanese publisher, Nitroplus.
* By four games in to the Franchise/TalesSeries, only ''VideoGame/TalesOfDestiny'' and ''Tales of'' ''[[strike:Destiny II]]'' ''[[VideoGame/TalesOfEternia Eternia]]'' had ever [[NoExportForYou crossed the Pacific]], and those were totally under the radar. Then Namco of America trotted out ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. Now some people don't even realize the series started before the PS, let alone back when the [=Super Famicom=] was middle-age.
** This is also ''prequel'' first. ''Symphonia'' is a sort of origin story to ''VideoGame/TalesOfPhantasia'', the first game in the series.
* ''VideoGame/HerzogZwei'' for ''Herzog''. The fact that the original ''Herzog'' was only released for Japanese computers didn't help with its recognition. Most people who don't know German probably weren't even aware that it was a sequel. (Even ''Magazine/ElectronicGamingMonthly'' didn't realize it was a sequel -- on a list of games they felt needed sequels, they referred to a hypothetical ''Herzog Zwei'' sequel as ''Herzog Zwei 2'', rather than ''Herzog Drei''.)
* The Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei series suffers terribly from this thanks to the vast majority of the franchise [[NoExportForYou never leaving Japan]]. ''[[SequelFirst Shin Megami Tensei]]: [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiIIINocturne Nocturne]]'' is in fact SMT''3'', the [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiI first]] [[VideoGame/ShinMegamiTenseiII two]] being released only in Japan on the SNES. Its spinoff series, [[VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVSTheSoullessArmy Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. The Soulless Army]] was also in fact the ''third'' Devil Summoner game, as the first game never came over to the US and it wasn't until 2013 that any version of the second game, ''VideoGame/SoulHackers'', left Japan. Add in the fact that events in [=DS3=] reference events in [=SMT1=] and 2, and that [[VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsKingAbaddon the sequel to DS3]] was released as ''Devil Summoner '''2''''' in the U.S. On top of ''that'', the 3DS port of ''Soul Hackers'' that was the first version of the game to leave Japan included a bonus dungeon with Raidou in it, further cementing his duology as the more well-recognized entries of the series.
** Not to mention the original ''Megami Tensei'' games on the Famicom, the first one being based on a novel from an unrelated trilogy.
*** And the novel series is called ''Literature/DigitalDevilStory''. Then there's the other Megaten spin-off series called ''VideoGame/{{Digital Devil|Saga}} '''[[VideoGame/DigitalDevilSaga Saga]]''''' that has nothing to do with the book.
** This happened within one of the sub-series: ''{{VideoGame/Persona 3}}'' reworked all of the gameplay mechanics from the first two games, toned down some of the symbolism, and added a DatingSim mechanic, and both its and [[{{VideoGame/Persona 4}} its sequel's]] popularity have completely eclipsed even its mother franchise. ''{{VideoGame/Persona}}'' is probably a rare case of completely inverting FirstInstallmentWins; it's considered the worst of the series due to its clunky gameplay, with most of its memorability coming from its [[CutAndPasteTranslation horrible Americanized translation]]. And while ''{{VideoGame/Persona 2}}'' has recently revitalized interest (it helps that ''3'' and ''4'' have garnered massive [[BrokenBase Broken Bases]] recently due to all of the spinoffs they had gotten), it's still a cult hit at best, not helped that it was released oddly: ''Eternal Punishment,'' the second half of the duo logy, came to the U.S on the PSX with ''Innocent Sin'' never being exported, and no one could play the first half of the story until its PSP re-release ''eleven years later.''
** The first ''Megami Tensei'' game released in North America was the obscure ''Jack Bros.'', for the even more obscure UsefulNotes/VirtualBoy. In fact, the game is so rare, it's the only Virtual Boy game WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd doesn't own, out of his whole North American library of VB games. Apparently it ''isn't worth Jack shit'', either.
** Quite ironically, in contrast to what the Angry Video Game Nerd has said, it's considered to be the second best Virtual Boy game on the handheld (the best game being Virtual Boy Wario Land) and collectors are willing to pay hefty fee for it (around 200$, approximately).
* Most fans of the ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' series are only marginally aware of the first five games before the jump to Windows. It doesn't help that the PC-98 is long dead.
** And lack translation patches like the Windows games do. The wiki DOES do translations, but [[DoNotSpoilThisEnding is not allowed to put up the entire game scripts.]]
** The PC-98 games were made by a partnership, Amusement Makers, of which ZUN was only a single member. As he only had the rights to a few of the characters (Reimu, Marisa, Alice, and Yuuka, along with a handful of [[OneShotCharacter more obscure characters]]), he couldn't build off of the old series even if he wanted to. The most obvious sign of this break was Mima, a ''huge'' player in the old series, appearing in four games, who didn't (and never can) make the jump to the Windows series. Of the other PC-98 characters he ''can'' use, he draws blanks on how to fit them in.
* ''VideoGame/TeamFortress2'' is a perfect example, given that the original game was a Quake mod subsequently tweaked by the creators of ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' (see ''VideoGame/TeamFortressClassic''). It also came out many years after the original, it's a complete change of tone from the original (the original had a realistic artstyle and a serious tone), and the classes all look completely different than they did in the original.
* ''Glider PRO'' displaced ''Glider 4.0'' and the original ''VideoGame/{{Glider}}''.
* In a mix of this and FirstInstallmentWins, many less-hardcore fans of the ''VideoGame/{{Gradius}}'' series don't seem to know that ''Gradius II'' exists, thinking that the series goes from ''Life Force'' (NES) to ''Gradius III'' (SNES), and magically becomes ''Gradius V'' somehow (''Gradius III'' & ''IV'' being nonexistent).
** Just to make things even ''more'' confusing, Salamander (Life Force) got a 1996 sequel in Japan, which, of course, never got an American release and has not been ported to any console.
** Additionally ''Parodius Da!'' for the arcade is actually a sequel to the original ''Parodius'' for the [=MSX2=].
* The ''VideoGame/GanbareGoemon'' series originally began with a Japan-only arcade game called ''Mr. Goemon'', from which the original [[NintendoEntertainmentSystem Famicom]] game ''Ganbare Goemon'' was loosely based on as well. Some gamers even assume that the first {{S|uperNintendo}}NES game in the series, the one that came out in America as ''Legend of the Mystical Ninja'', was the first game in the series period.
* While the original ''VideoGame/{{Twinbee}}'' was released for the arcades in 1985 and had a few straight-to-Famicom sequels, the arcade sequel ''Detana!! Twinbee'' was the first one to feature the series' iconic character designs of Shuzilow Ha.
* ''VideoGame/UnrealTournament'' has become somewhat better known than ''VideoGame/{{Unreal}}''.
* ''VideoGame/ThunderForce II'' is far more well-known than its predecessor. It doesn't help that the original ''Thunder Force'' lacked the HorizontalScrollingShooter action the series is best known for, was released [[NoExportForYou in Japan only]] on some now-obscure computer platforms, and was never ported to any console system.
* While the ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'' {{F|irstPersonShooter}}PS series was fairly well-known (perhaps even ''very'' well-known) and acclaimed from the start, it didn't turn into the household name we know today until ''Call of Duty 4: VideoGame/ModernWarfare''.
** It came to the point where developer Infinity Ward simply titled their next sequel ''Modern Warfare 2'' and considered it a new intellectual property. Creator/{{Activision}} added ''Call of Duty'' back into the title, however, for name recognition. An ''alarming'' number of people seem to think the series started with ''Call of Duty 4'', despite it having "4" in the title.
* ''VideoGame/CrystalQuest'' thoroughly displaced ''Crystal Raider'', a {{shareware}} prototype so primitive that it didn't even have a ''Quit'' command. (You had to ''physically'' reboot the computer to escape it.)
* Although the ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series was already somewhat popular prior to 1997, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' brought in an overwhelming wave of new fans, making a rather large amount of people think that it was the first title in the series despite the number "VII" in it. In fairness to Europeans, it ''was'' the first ''Final Fantasy'' to be released there.
** And even before ''VII'', there was still ''IV'' and ''VI'', released in America as "II" and "III".
* The full title of ''VideoGame/DwarfFortress'' is ''[[ColonCancer Slaves to Armok: God of Blood Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress]]''. The original ''Slaves to Armok'' [[http://www.bay12games.com/armok/download.html is an actual game]], and is more like an adventure game.
** In turn, the older 2D version has mostly been displaced by the later 3D one. Except, perhaps, for the handful of popular LetsPlays like LetsPlay/{{Boatmurdered}}.
* ''VideoGame/{{Bioshock|1}}'' for ''VideoGame/SystemShock'', although it is more of a SpiritualSequel Displacement.
** For that matter, ''System Shock 2'' to the original ''System Shock''.
* Another example of a SpiritualSuccessor eclipsing the originator in popularity would be ''Franchise/DragonAge'', which followed in the footsteps of Creator/BioWare's own ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'' saga. Of course, a lot of gamers became acquainted with Creator/BioWare following their console debut and ''Franchise/StarWars'' based megahit, ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''.
* ''[[VideoGame/TheGoonies The Goonies II]]'' was a relatively popular NES game, somewhat based on the movie. There was an earlier Goonies game for the Famicom, which wasn't even released outside Japan except for the Vs. System arcade cabinet, which in turn many people never really noticed.
* ''VideoGame/RedFaction: Guerrilla'' has had this effect on the ''Red Faction'' series. Not many people know about the first two games.
* ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4'', so very much. Despite the "4" in the title, some new fans are surprised to learn that not only were there other ''Franchise/ResidentEvil'' games before it, it's not even [[VideoGame/ResidentEvilCodeVeronica the fourth game]].
* The ''Franchise/SilentHill'' franchise now spans eight main games, but the second game is by far the most famous, with memes and parodies based on it frequently showing up in news coverage of later titles to which it has no connection. This even extends to the joke endings of ''Silent Hill 3'', ''Shattered Memories'', and ''Downpour'', all of which feature a cameo appearance from the protagonist of ''Silent Hill 2'' for no real reason.
* ''VideoGame/EarthBound'' is a bit of a cult classic, but it's less well known that it's in fact the 2nd game in the Mother series. Justified though, in that it was the only one released in the US, the other two launching in Japan only.
** The main reason people know of "VideoGame/EarthBound" but not "Mother" is because of Ness's appearance in the "Super Smash Bros." series.
** Granted, ''VideoGame/{{Mother 3}}'' came after ''[=EarthBound=]'' became a CultClassic and was thus widely appreciated, even getting a fan translation two years after the fact, but [[VideoGame/{{MOTHER 1}} the original game]] for the [[NintendoEntertainmentSystem Famicom]] still remains obscure, and even in Japan advertising for the CompilationRerelease ''MOTHER 1+2'' mostly focused on the latter game.
* How many people remember the 1989 ''VideoGame/MechWarrior''? Or ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' before it...
* Few people remember ''Kingdom Under Fire: A War Of Heroes'' for PC... despite it being ''more'' unique than its sequels. It was one of the first RTS titles to have RPG-style upgradeable hero units -- years before Warcraft III -- as well as making the odd choice to combine RTS and Diablo-style stages.
* Very few ''[[VideoGame/LegacyOfKain Legacy of Kain]]'' fans played ''Blood Omen'' and ''Blood Omen 2''. In fact, many assumed ''Soul Reaver'' was the first game in the series and never even knew that the ''SR'' games were spin-offs of the original ''Blood Omen''.
* While technically not a sequel, many ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' players are unaware that three ''VideoGame/WarCraft'' RTS games and their expansions came before it. Some players were surprised to learn that [=WoW=] was released on the franchise's 10th birthday.
** Lampshaded by one of Blizzard's AprilFools jokes where they announced the development of three RTS games to cover historical events from before [=WoW=], namely the storylines of the original series.
* ''VideoGame/TaiyouNoShindenAstekaII'' was released SequelFirst in America as ''Tombs & Treasure'', but even in Japan only the second ''Asteka'' game was remade, and it was remade twice.
* ''VideoGame/NeedForSpeed'' became excessively popular with the release of ''Underground'' in 2003, and spawned an even more popular sequel in 2004. Then another in 2005... and another in 2006... and 2007... and 2008... Then after five years, the series became stale, and each game was significantly less well received, before finally shifting back to its roots with 2010's ''Hot Pursuit''. Due to a split fanbase, EA knew there would be still some of the newer fans who yearned for the ''Most Wanted'' 2005/''Carbon''-style gameplay and customization, hence the ''World'' was released alongside ''Hot Pursuit'' 2010.
* ''VideoGame/AfterBurner II'' was more of an UpdatedRerelease than a sequel to the original ''After Burner'', and so displaced it quite easily.
** In Japan. In America there was nothing to displace as the original was never released at all.
* The first ''VideoGame/ClockTower'' was only released in Japan, so most Westerners have only heard of the 5th and 6th-gen games.
* '' VideoGame/{{Galaga}}'' surpassed its predecessor ''VideoGame/{{Galaxian}}'' in popularity.
* ''VideoGame/TheSims 2'' is more popular than the original, and can sometimes be this. This is despite the glaring "2" on the box and multiple references to the original game. Nowadays there are The Sims 3 players who are totally unaware of the first two...
* ''Videogame/{{Quake}}'' was a hugely influential game (it almost single-handedly invented TournamentPlay, for instance) but was later overshadowed by the multiplayer-oriented ''VideoGame/QuakeIIIArena''. It wasn't until ''VideoGame/QuakeIV'' was released years later that the series got back to its roots with a single-player campaign.
* The Korean SRPG VideoGame/TheWarOfGenesisII not only displaced, but also outright replaced the first game, as it repeated most of the story, embedded into a greater narrative.
* The old '' VideoGame/{{Minecraft}} Classic'' -- the one where there's an unlimited number of blocks, simple shading, no monsters or items, and no day/night cycle -- seems to suffer from it when compared to the regular ''Minecraft''. The comments on [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RmS-bn3LQ this video]] show that some people aren't even aware of ''Classic'':
-->Why do the blocks destroy so easily???
-->how do you break the blocks so fast and how do you do the unlimited block thing
** The "unlimited blocks" (and easy block destruction) function in ''Minecraft Classic'' now appears in a mode of regular ''Minecraft'' called Creative Mode, which may further push ''Minecraft Classic'' into obscurity.
* The ''Franchise/{{Ultima}}'' series started with ''Akalabeth'', a game which is remembered mainly because it established many tropes that were made far more famous by its sequels.
* ''VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay''. How many people know much about the game that starred Conker that came out between it and ''VideoGame/DiddyKongRacing''? Very few people know about the E rated Conker's Pocket Tales which came out on the GameBoyColor a few years before Bad Fur Day, or that his more well known Nintendo 64 game was originally meant to be a light hearted ''VideoGame/{{Banjo-Kazooie}}'' like 3D platformer.
* So far, only three ''VideoGame/FireProWrestling'' games made it outside the Land of The Rising Sun: two for GameBoyAdvance ([[BadExportForYou heavily bastardized]]) and one for PlayStation2 (known as ''Fire Pro Wrestling Returns''), which is fairly more popular in the U.S. than any other game in the series. Like, about twenty of them, which are also available for such popular consoles as {{Super Nintendo|EntertainmentSystem}}, PlayStation, SegaDreamcast and SegaSaturn.
* ''VideoGame/LufiaAndTheFortressOfDoom'' was a decent enough EasternRPG with a nice soundtrack and attractive visuals, but it brought little if anything new in the gameplay department. The plot and characters were also quite simple. It would lead to the far improved prequel ''VideoGame/LufiaIIRiseOfTheSinistrals''.
* The VideoGame/PokemonMysteryDungeon fandom suffers from this, as some of the many people who started the series with the Explorer games have no idea that the Rescue Team games exist or just ignore them.
* ''{{VideoGame/Tribes}}'' is an enormously popular team based first person shoot with jetpacks and guns that shoot exploding blue frisbees. The games that ''Tribes'' takes its plot and name from is the games from the ''{{VideoGame/Starsiege}}'' universe, best known as "that other {{Real Robot|Genre}} HumongousMecha game that isn't ''VideoGame/MechWarrior''".
* ''VideoGame/TheTwistedTalesOfSpikeMcFang'' is the sequel to an obscure Japan-exclusive PC Engine platformer known as ''Makai Prince Dorabochan''.
* ''VideoGame/JetSetRadio Future'' for the Xbox is more well-known than the first ''Jet Set Radio'', which was on the Dreamcast. This is because of two reasons: 1) The first game was released when the DC was losing its popularity in America and Europe, and 2) ''Future'' and ''Sega GT 2002'' were put together on one disc and packaged with Xboxes during the holiday season of 2002, so everyone who got an Xbox for Christmas that year had no choice but to play it. When the first JSR got the HD makeover in 2012 for all download services (except Nintendo ones), a lot of people who only played ''Future'' complained about how different this one was.
* The SegaGenesis is a well-known video game console from the early 90s.. The SegaMasterSystem is not. More people know the Game Gear, and its ports, better than the actual Master System.
** The SG-1000 is even more obscure.
* A large majority of the ''HarvestMoon'' fanbase for the longest time began with either ''[[HarvestMoonAWonderfulLife A Wonderful Life]]'', ''Friends of Mineral Town'', or their DistaffCounterpart's. The original SNES title was largely forgotten until the Virtual Console re-release, ''HarvestMoon64'' is a prime example of [[MainstreamObscurity a game that everyone calls amazing but almost no one has played]], and ''Back To Nature'' is just the 3D version of ''[=FOMT=]''. ''Save The Homeland'' and the Game Boy titles are largely ignored even to this day, typically because they lack marriage.
* The original ''VideoGame/CoolBoarders'' was released very early in the {{Playstation}}'s lifespan, and was essentially a glorified tech demo that had a handful of tracks, five boards, no competition mode (or anything besides time trial) and next-to-no replayability. ''Cool Boarders 2'' was essentially a remake of the first game, with some of the original levels appearing as well as many more levels, multiple characters/boards and several different modes. Notably, the original ''Cool Boarders'' is the only one of the first four games not to sell over a million copies.
* ''VideoGame/SuperHexagon'' is particularly well-known, but how many people know about the original ''[[http://distractionware.com/blog/2012/02/hexagon/ Hexagon]]''?
* ''VideoGame/SonicRoboBlast2'', a popular 3D freeware game based on Sonic the Hedgehog. You want proof? The original ''Sonic Robo Blast'' game doesn't even have a page on ThisVeryWiki.
* ''VideoGame/PunchOut'' is an iconic NES title, but few remember the original arcade title or the [[FirstInstallmentWins sequel]]. The 2009 Wii reboot fares better though.
* ''VideoGame/ZoneOfTheEnders''[='=] success mainly derived from how it drew in fans of ''Metal Gear Solid'' with a demo of its high-anticipated [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty sequel]] it was packaged with, and many consider ''Zone of the Enders'' an average game at best. It was successful enough to gain a sequel in 2003, which was bigger hit with critics and fans of action games alike, so much that most people forget about the original. This also became the case with the series' HD re-release with most of the pre-release hype being centered on the second game.
* ''VideoGame/DynastyWarriors'' originally started as a fighting game for the Playstation called Sanguko Musou in Japan. When Dynasty Warriors 2 was released and introduced the Hack and Slash formula the series is now known for it was reintroduced as Shin Shanguko Musou while the west just kept Dynasty Warriors 2. Each installment in the series is now one number ahead of its Japanese counterpart even though it's the same game.
* ''VideoGame/JustCause'' had some good ideas (vehicle stunts, a massive map), but various issues prevented it from being a good game and it was quickly forgotten. ''Just Cause 2'' refined all those ideas, ironed out most of the problems, and immediately attracted widespread praise and a large fanbase for its over-the-top gameplay. The only reason the first game is mentioned is to say that it's not very good.
* ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' is an undisputed classic, but [[ScheduleSlip the massive gap between releases]], coupled with fans who found the series through ''The Orange Box'' (which included ''VideoGame/HalfLife2'' and both of its Episodes, but not the original), has created a case of this in newcomers to the fandom.
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* ''Webcomic/MSPaintAdventures'' offers an internal example with ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' compared to its immediate predecessor ''Webcomic/ProblemSleuth''. ''Homestuck'' is a megahit and ''the'' most popular webcomic today. ''Problem Sleuth'' had a popular run but nowhere near the insane popularity of ''Homestuck''.
* Hey, kids! Ever heard about "Unsound of Mind"? No? Well, how about HeartCore? In fact, many of the characters in HeartCore originated from UoM, wich has become the OldShame of the creator.
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* Some people forget that ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' was originally a segment on ''TheTracyUllmanShow''.
** In universe example: in ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' episode "Bye Bye Nerdie", Millhouse comments that the present situation is, "like ''Film/{{Speed 2|CruiseControl}}'', but with a bus instead of a boat." He later refers to the new girl with no friends as being [[Film/{{Babe}} Babe: Pig in the City]].
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* The Apple II compared to its predecessor the Apple I, and the AppleMacintosh compared to its predecessor the Apple Lisa. The Apple I was literally just a circuitboard. You had to build the actual computer yourself, including the keyboard. This was not unreasonable at the time; many computers were sold as kits at the time. In fact, the Apple II is often credited with sparking the microcomputer revolution.
* UsefulNotes/WorldWarI for many countries. In spite of being called The Great War, it's far less known than UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Beyond trench warfare and the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, most people know next to nothing other than that it was the big war that came before UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. This is less the case in some countries with more active involvement in the war.
* The United States Constitution was specifically meant to replace the Articles of Confederation, which formed the basis of a very different United States of America. Almost nobody remembers that there were several Presidents of Congress under the Articles of Confederation before UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington became President under the Constitution, mostly due to the fact that the position was much less important.
** Also in American history, the French and Indian War was an obscure and relatively unimportant part of the global UsefulNotes/SevenYearsWar. Except for the fact that it laid important technological, cultural, military and political groundwork for the events which would eventually spiral into UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution barely a decade later, therefore directly leading to the creation of the independent United States (officers on both sides, including UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington, first gained experience in the French and Indian War). However even in the Americas it's been greatly overshadowed by the War for Independence and remains an obscure and little-mentioned piece of American history.
* The World Wide Web compared to {{Usenet}} and Gopher.
* Doritos were introduced in 1966, but Nacho Cheese (debuted in 1972) is now considered the flagship flavor, and Cool Ranch (debuted in 1986) has also overshadowed the original (which is now labeled as Toasted Corn).
** In the UK, the three main flavours are Nacho Cheese, Chilli Heatwave (which is a later addition)... and Cool Original. Yes, the Cool flavour is the original flavour in Britain, and Toasted Corn doesn't exist at all.
* Windows 3.1 was the first version of UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows to really take off. Windows 1.0 and 2.0 were fairly obscure (and, having severe technical limitations, were basically glorified DOS shells), and 3.0 was technically competent but undermarketed compared to 3.1. The 3.1x family (Windows 3.1, 3.11, and Windows for Workgroups) are usually the only 16-bit Windows versions that people remember.
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