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* ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics''[='s=] head writer from 2006 until the series' cancelation in 2017 was [[Creator/IanFlynn Ian "The Potto" Flynn]], a [[FandomVIP somewhat well known fan of the series]], who was even writing his own Sonic fan comic ("Other M") prior to being picked up by Archie. Flynn's tenure is generally viewed fondly in hindsight, being seen as having lifted the comic out of the AudienceAlienatingEra and KudzuPlot it had been languishing in for years at the time, and restored it to respectability; of course, this being [[BrokenBase the Sonic fandom]], this view is not universal. Some complaints include ignorance of canon and derailing several characters, some of which were to preserve certain relationships (namely Sonic and Sally's). Some things he's gotten a more positive response for, however, have been [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing his killing off very unpopular characters]], introducing several fan favorite characters, rewriting bad stories, cleaning up unresolved plot points, and offering other related fanservice to the fanbase. One of his most notable contributions has been citing a lot of Sonic Internet memes and other memorable lines from various Sonic media. It helps that his writing and understanding of the characters and source material has improved a ''lot'' since he started out with the gig, and the post-''Worlds Collide'' timeline reset cleaning up much of the messy comics-only material and moving the comics closer in line with the games, due to the legal mess surrounding Creator/KenPenders.
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* ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics''[='s=] head writer from 2006 until the series' cancelation in 2017 was [[Creator/IanFlynn Ian "The Potto" Flynn]], a [[FandomVIP somewhat well known fan of the series]], who was even writing his own Sonic fan comic ("Other M") prior to being picked up by Archie. Flynn's tenure is generally viewed fondly in hindsight, being seen as having lifted the comic out of the AudienceAlienatingEra and KudzuPlot it had been languishing in for years at the time, and restored it to respectability; of course, this being [[BrokenBase the Sonic fandom]], this view is not universal. Some complaints include ignorance of canon and derailing several characters, some of which were to preserve certain relationships (namely Sonic and Sally's). Some things he's gotten a more positive response for, however, have been [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing his killing off very unpopular characters]], introducing several fan favorite characters, rewriting bad stories, cleaning up unresolved plot points, and offering other related fanservice to the fanbase. One of his most notable contributions has been citing a lot of Sonic Internet memes and other memorable lines from various Sonic media. It helps that his writing and understanding of the characters and source material has improved a ''lot'' since he started out with the gig, and the post-''Worlds Collide'' timeline reset cleaning up much of the messy comics-only material and moving the comics closer in line with the games, due to the legal mess surrounding Creator/KenPenders. Ian Flynn would later be brought on to write for the videogames, starting with ''VideoGame/SonicFrontiers''.
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* While Batman has always been one of DC's most popular characters, during the mid 1970s he became seen less as a star and more of a supporting character, due to his apperances in cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'' and ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends''. While ''Batman Family'', ''The Brave And The Bold'' as well as ''Batman And The Outsiders'', which were all about Batman teaming up with other characters, were all among DC's best selling books, ''Batman'' itself, along with ''Detective Comics'' which were about Batman himself, were among DC's lowest selling books. For this reason DC decided to cancel ''Detective Comics'', but the decision was blocked by editor Paul Levits, who was a fan of ''Detective Comics''. Levits successfully convinced DC to cancel the three higher selling books instead and continue their stories in ''Detective Comics'' instead in a bid to save it.
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* While Batman has always been one of DC's most popular characters, during the mid 1970s he became seen less as a star and more of a supporting character, due to his apperances in cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'' and ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends''. While ''Batman Family'', ''The Brave And The Bold'' as well as ''Batman And The Outsiders'', which were all about Batman teaming up with other characters, were all among DC's best selling books, ''Batman'' itself, along with ''Detective Comics'' which were about Batman himself, were among DC's lowest selling books. For this reason DC decided to cancel ''Detective Comics'', but the decision was blocked by editor Paul Levits, who was a fan of ''Detective Comics''. Levits successfully convinced DC to cancel the three higher selling books instead and continue their stories in ''Detective Comics'' instead in a bid to save it. Going against the rest of the asylum, Levits ordered the death of the original Earth Two Golden Age Bruce Wayne in order to establish that the Earth One Batman was the one and only.
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* ComicBook/{{Batman}} was fairly gritty and serious during his earliest years of publication, but gradually got more comedic and lighthearted as the decades went on, especially after ''Seduction Of The Innocent'' lead to the establishment of the comics code and the Silver Age of Comic Books where virtually everything was sanitized. Suffice to say, there were a lot of Batman fans who didn't like this, who have been trying to move him "back" to being gritty, brooding and gothic ever since DC's "Bronze Age" of the 1970s. As soon as the Adam West television show was canceld and the {{camp}} Batman cartoon proved to be a FollowUpFailure, Neal Adams, who was a fan of the Golden Age Batman comic books, worked on bringing horror back to Batman with the monstrous antagonist Manbat, who became the most popular Batman villain of the early 70s. Wayne Manor and the Batcave were also done away with for being too silly, moving Bruce to a new Penthouse instead "The Wayne Foundation" in the center of Gotham City. Writer Alan Moore continued the trend but has flat out admitted "The Killing Joke" was a drastic over correction and that Batman was never supposed to be ''that'' disturbing. To Moore's [[MagnumOpusDissonance disgust]] "The Killing Joke" was lauded as a landmark Batman story by fans, who proceeded to make Batman and Gotham City even heavier, drearier and more depressing as they became DC Comics writers.
* During the mid 1970s Justice Leage was losing in sales to Marvel's Avengers, so DC started hiring writers and artists from the competiting company, as they always had. One of these was Steve Englehart, who was most responsible for Avengers pushing past Justice League, and he was tasked with turning the tide back in Justice League's favor. Englehart only agreed to the job on the condition he get to write the Batman book, as he was a fan of the character. Among other things, Englehart brought back Hugo Strange, a characte who had been dead since the Golden Age of comic books, and also established The Joker as an unpredicatable madman who tread to copyright his own fish.
* During the mid 1970s Justice Leage was losing in sales to Marvel's Avengers, so DC started hiring writers and artists from the competiting company, as they always had. One of these was Steve Englehart, who was most responsible for Avengers pushing past Justice League, and he was tasked with turning the tide back in Justice League's favor. Englehart only agreed to the job on the condition he get to write the Batman book, as he was a fan of the character. Among other things, Englehart brought back Hugo Strange, a characte who had been dead since the Golden Age of comic books, and also established The Joker as an unpredicatable madman who tread to copyright his own fish.
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* ComicBook/{{Batman}} was fairly gritty and serious during his earliest years of publication, but gradually got more comedic and lighthearted as the decades went on, especially after ''Seduction Of The Innocent'' lead to the establishment of the comics code and the Silver Age of Comic Books where virtually everything was sanitized. Suffice to say, there were a lot of Batman fans who didn't like this, who have been trying to move him "back" to being gritty, brooding and gothic ever since DC's "Bronze Age" of the 1970s. As soon as the Adam West television show was canceld canceled and the {{camp}} Batman cartoon proved to be a FollowUpFailure, Neal Adams, who was a fan of the Golden Age Batman comic books, worked on bringing horror back to Batman with the monstrous antagonist Manbat, who became the most popular Batman villain of the early 70s. Wayne Manor and the Batcave were also done away with for being too silly, moving Bruce to a new Penthouse instead "The Wayne Foundation" in the center of Gotham City.
* Writer Dennis O'Neil was a Batman fan who applied to work for DC comics during the 1960s but was rejected because his proposed Batman story completely clashed with the popular Adam West television show running at the time. After the television show was canceled, ratings clashed and DC became more open to moving Batman back to the Golden Age horror and mystery comics that had previously defined the character, DC got back in touch with O'Neil in 1969, who went on to become the head Batman writer and naturally continued the trend of moving away from the {{camp}} of the Silver Age with ''Secret Of The Waiting Graves'', a horror story that redefined Batman as a stoic, loner vigilante. Writer Alan Moore continued the trend but has flat out admitted "The Killing Joke" was a drastic over correction and that Batman was never supposed to be ''that'' disturbing. To Moore's [[MagnumOpusDissonance disgust]] "The Killing Joke" was lauded as a landmark Batman story by fans, who proceeded to make Batman and Gotham City even heavier, drearier and more depressing as they became DC Comics writers.
* During the mid 1970s JusticeLeage League was losing in sales to Marvel's Avengers, so DC started hiring writers and artists from the competiting competing company, as they always had. One of these was Steve Englehart, who was most responsible for Avengers pushing past Justice League, and he was tasked with turning the tide back in Justice League's favor. Englehart only agreed to the job on the condition he get to write the Batman book, as he was a fan of the character. Among other things, Englehart brought back Hugo Strange, a characte character who had been dead since the Golden Age of comic books, and also established The Joker as an unpredicatable unpredictable madman who tread to copyright his own fish.
* Writer Dennis O'Neil was a Batman fan who applied to work for DC comics during the 1960s but was rejected because his proposed Batman story completely clashed with the popular Adam West television show running at the time. After the television show was canceled, ratings clashed and DC became more open to moving Batman back to the Golden Age horror and mystery comics that had previously defined the character, DC got back in touch with O'Neil in 1969, who went on to become the head Batman writer and naturally continued the trend of moving away from the {{camp}} of the Silver Age with ''Secret Of The Waiting Graves'', a horror story that redefined Batman as a stoic, loner vigilante. Writer Alan Moore continued the trend but has flat out admitted "The Killing Joke" was a drastic over correction and that Batman was never supposed to be ''that'' disturbing. To Moore's [[MagnumOpusDissonance disgust]] "The Killing Joke" was lauded as a landmark Batman story by fans, who proceeded to make Batman and Gotham City even heavier, drearier and more depressing as they became DC Comics writers.
* During the mid 1970s Justice
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* ComicBook/{{Batman}} was fairly gritty and serious during his earliest years of publication, but gradually got more comedic and lighthearted as the decades went on, especially after ''Seduction Of The Innocent'' lead to the establishment of the comics code and the Silver Age of Comic Books where virtually everything was sanitized. Suffice to say, there were a lot of Batman fans who didn't like this, who have been trying to move him "back" to being gritty, brooding and gothic ever since. Alan Moore has flat out admitted "The Killing Joke" was a drastic over correction and that Batman was never supposed to be ''that'' disturbing. To Moore's [[MagnumOpusDissonance disgust]] "The Killing Joke" was lauded as a landmark Batman story by fans, who proceeded to make Batman and Gotham City even heavier, drearier and more depressing as they became DC Comics writers.
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* ComicBook/{{Batman}} was fairly gritty and serious during his earliest years of publication, but gradually got more comedic and lighthearted as the decades went on, especially after ''Seduction Of The Innocent'' lead to the establishment of the comics code and the Silver Age of Comic Books where virtually everything was sanitized. Suffice to say, there were a lot of Batman fans who didn't like this, who have been trying to move him "back" to being gritty, brooding and gothic ever since. since DC's "Bronze Age" of the 1970s. As soon as the Adam West television show was canceld and the {{camp}} Batman cartoon proved to be a FollowUpFailure, Neal Adams, who was a fan of the Golden Age Batman comic books, worked on bringing horror back to Batman with the monstrous antagonist Manbat, who became the most popular Batman villain of the early 70s. Wayne Manor and the Batcave were also done away with for being too silly, moving Bruce to a new Penthouse instead "The Wayne Foundation" in the center of Gotham City. Writer Alan Moore continued the trend but has flat out admitted "The Killing Joke" was a drastic over correction and that Batman was never supposed to be ''that'' disturbing. To Moore's [[MagnumOpusDissonance disgust]] "The Killing Joke" was lauded as a landmark Batman story by fans, who proceeded to make Batman and Gotham City even heavier, drearier and more depressing as they became DC Comics writers.writers.
* During the mid 1970s Justice Leage was losing in sales to Marvel's Avengers, so DC started hiring writers and artists from the competiting company, as they always had. One of these was Steve Englehart, who was most responsible for Avengers pushing past Justice League, and he was tasked with turning the tide back in Justice League's favor. Englehart only agreed to the job on the condition he get to write the Batman book, as he was a fan of the character. Among other things, Englehart brought back Hugo Strange, a characte who had been dead since the Golden Age of comic books, and also established The Joker as an unpredicatable madman who tread to copyright his own fish.
* While Batman has always been one of DC's most popular characters, during the mid 1970s he became seen less as a star and more of a supporting character, due to his apperances in cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'' and ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends''. While ''Batman Family'', ''The Brave And The Bold'' as well as ''Batman And The Outsiders'', which were all about Batman teaming up with other characters, were all among DC's best selling books, ''Batman'' itself, along with ''Detective Comics'' which were about Batman himself, were among DC's lowest selling books. For this reason DC decided to cancel ''Detective Comics'', but the decision was blocked by editor Paul Levits, who was a fan of ''Detective Comics''. Levits successfully convinced DC to cancel the three higher selling books instead and continue their stories in ''Detective Comics'' instead in a bid to save it.
* During the mid 1970s Justice Leage was losing in sales to Marvel's Avengers, so DC started hiring writers and artists from the competiting company, as they always had. One of these was Steve Englehart, who was most responsible for Avengers pushing past Justice League, and he was tasked with turning the tide back in Justice League's favor. Englehart only agreed to the job on the condition he get to write the Batman book, as he was a fan of the character. Among other things, Englehart brought back Hugo Strange, a characte who had been dead since the Golden Age of comic books, and also established The Joker as an unpredicatable madman who tread to copyright his own fish.
* While Batman has always been one of DC's most popular characters, during the mid 1970s he became seen less as a star and more of a supporting character, due to his apperances in cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDoo'' and ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends''. While ''Batman Family'', ''The Brave And The Bold'' as well as ''Batman And The Outsiders'', which were all about Batman teaming up with other characters, were all among DC's best selling books, ''Batman'' itself, along with ''Detective Comics'' which were about Batman himself, were among DC's lowest selling books. For this reason DC decided to cancel ''Detective Comics'', but the decision was blocked by editor Paul Levits, who was a fan of ''Detective Comics''. Levits successfully convinced DC to cancel the three higher selling books instead and continue their stories in ''Detective Comics'' instead in a bid to save it.
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** The 1986 ''Legend Of Wonder Woman'' was written by Trina Robbins, an admitted FanGirl of the "Earth Two" Wonder Woman comics, who supposedly was writing a sequel to two of the stories told in said comics but used a whole lot of "Earth One" imagery which clashed with continuity in a story that was basically a {{Deconstruction}}-{{Reconstruction}} done over the course of four issues involving the returns of not one but two villains, with [[TookALevelInBadass new powers and weapons for the story]], villains that were supposed to have been ''[[HappyEndingOverride permanently]]'' defeated forty years prior, one through DivineIntervention. Fans ''[[SoOkayItsAverage generally]]'' think it is okay, but don't [[BrokenBase necessarily]] think it should [[FanonDiscontinuity actually be Earth 2 Wonder Woman's penultimate finale]].
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** The 1986 ''Legend Of Wonder Woman'' was written by Trina Robbins, an admitted FanGirl of the "Earth Two" Wonder Woman comics, who supposedly was writing a sequel to two of the stories told in said comics but used a whole lot of "Earth One" imagery which clashed with continuity in a story that was basically a {{Deconstruction}}-{{Reconstruction}} done over the course of four issues involving issues. She also brought back the returns of not one but two villains, with [[TookALevelInBadass new powers and weapons for the story]], villains that were supposed to have been ''[[HappyEndingOverride permanently]]'' defeated at the end of those stories forty years prior, one through DivineIntervention.DivineIntervention, and gave them [TookALevelInBadass new powers and weapons]] that allowed them to hurt Wonder Woman while [[{{retcon}} acting as if these were things they could have always done]]. Fans ''[[SoOkayItsAverage generally]]'' think it is okay, but don't [[BrokenBase necessarily]] think it should [[FanonDiscontinuity actually be Earth 2 Wonder Woman's penultimate finale]].
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* Superman's super powers were originally basic. He was a HeavyWorlder, [[Literature/APrincessOfMars John Carter in reverse]], a man but more. Stronger, faster, tougher, further seeing, things of that nature. The [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheatricalCartoons theatrical technicolor cartoon]] gave Superman the power of flight, because that was easier than drawing him jumping around, and that made it back into the comic books, with the ''fans'' being asked what super power they wanted they wanted to see Superman use next. From that we saw him duplicate the abilities [[ProtoSuperHero of other popular figures of the time]] such as ice breath, hurricane breath, x-ray vision, heat vision, as well as other ridiculous things like the [[NeverLiveItDown much mocked]] "super ventriloquism" and "[[SpinTheEarthBackwards reverse the Earth's spin]] {{time travel}}" while also seeing his existing abilities boosted far beyond their original ranges, super strength and flight now meaning [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace traveling the vacuum of space unaided]] while juggling planets like ComicBook/TheSpectre. Editorial realized StrongAsTheyNeedToBe and NewPowersAsThePlotDemands were getting out of hand and tried to reign them in, except the fans writing to DC about what powers they wanted Superman to have had gone on to write ''for'' DC and many refused to accept anything less than Superman's Silver Age {{power level}}s, muscling him back up every chance they got. Some of these writers never got the chance to see Superman use their suggested powers either and so new abilities [[SerialEscalation just kept coming up]], [[ComboPlatterPowers such]] as ComicBook/TheFlash like molecular vibrating/infinite mass punch, taking on electromagnetic forms that put [[ComicBook/CaptainMarvelMarvelComics Monica Rambeau]]'s to shame, splitting into two beings, tactile telekinesis, "nova" explosions, psychic martial arts and [[ExtradimensionalPowerSource extra dimensional energy absorption]]. Well into the 2020s fans showed no sign of ceasing to write DC about things Superman hasn't done yet that they want to see explored, and it has been all editorial can do to keep Superman at ''[[ComboPlatterPowers just]]'' [[PowerOfTheSun solar powered]] FlyingBrick, FlyingFirePower, SuperSenses in the megaton to zettaton range. Fans often joke that ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' was written ''solely'' to {{depower}} Superman. On the other hand, ''The Adventures of Superman'' story ''Strange Visitor'' was written to show exactly what would happen if the SerialEscalation of new powers and ever increasing feats was allowed to run unchecked.
* Most of DC's super powered characters have been bumped up over the years to keep from being completely overshadowed by Superman, from Wonder Woman gaining unaided flight, to The Flash's Speed Force skills, to The Green Lantern Corps losing their yellow weakness to Plastic Man becoming [[NoSell immune to more and more things]] but there is a particular focus on "proving" ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} is really awesome out of a fandom inferiority complex that came from ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' portraying the character as nigh useless. Aquaman's been given mechanical limbs, water magic, healing magic, WeatherManipulation, had his telepathy extended to land and even alien life, been given command of sea monsters right out of Myth/NorseMythology and the Franchise/CthulhuMythos, even gaining SuperEmpowering abilities all in the name of combating the negative image not from comic books but from his portrayal in a completely different medium. Aquman's Golden Age goofy origin was also changed to a grittier one lifted straight out of ''ComicBook/{{Submariner}}'', while being given an [[NinetiesAntiHero even more hardcore attitude]] than his Marvel predecessor[[note]]In terms of being gruff and bitter anyway. DC Writers didn't have the courage to turn Aquaman into a sexual predator, murderer, or even make him as arrogant as [[ByronicHero Namor]][[/note]] and ManlyFacialHair, to ensure everyone would know Aquaman is to be taken seriously. Ron Marz and Peter David even admitted to having Aquaman excel in situations the character didn't have any logical business being in just because they like him. Cullen Bunn even admitted to writing Aquaman as ''pulp fiction'', a ''genre'' the character has no business in, and went so far as to give Aquaman teleportation powers!
* Most of DC's super powered characters have been bumped up over the years to keep from being completely overshadowed by Superman, from Wonder Woman gaining unaided flight, to The Flash's Speed Force skills, to The Green Lantern Corps losing their yellow weakness to Plastic Man becoming [[NoSell immune to more and more things]] but there is a particular focus on "proving" ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} is really awesome out of a fandom inferiority complex that came from ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' portraying the character as nigh useless. Aquaman's been given mechanical limbs, water magic, healing magic, WeatherManipulation, had his telepathy extended to land and even alien life, been given command of sea monsters right out of Myth/NorseMythology and the Franchise/CthulhuMythos, even gaining SuperEmpowering abilities all in the name of combating the negative image not from comic books but from his portrayal in a completely different medium. Aquman's Golden Age goofy origin was also changed to a grittier one lifted straight out of ''ComicBook/{{Submariner}}'', while being given an [[NinetiesAntiHero even more hardcore attitude]] than his Marvel predecessor[[note]]In terms of being gruff and bitter anyway. DC Writers didn't have the courage to turn Aquaman into a sexual predator, murderer, or even make him as arrogant as [[ByronicHero Namor]][[/note]] and ManlyFacialHair, to ensure everyone would know Aquaman is to be taken seriously. Ron Marz and Peter David even admitted to having Aquaman excel in situations the character didn't have any logical business being in just because they like him. Cullen Bunn even admitted to writing Aquaman as ''pulp fiction'', a ''genre'' the character has no business in, and went so far as to give Aquaman teleportation powers!
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* Superman's super powers were originally basic. He was a HeavyWorlder, [[Literature/APrincessOfMars John Carter in reverse]], a man but more. Stronger, faster, tougher, further seeing, things of that nature. The [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheatricalCartoons theatrical technicolor cartoon]] gave Superman the power of flight, because that was easier than drawing him jumping around, and that made it back into the comic books, books due to fans constantly complaining about Superman not flying, with the ''fans'' fans then being asked what super power they wanted they wanted to see Superman use next. From that we saw him duplicate the abilities [[ProtoSuperHero of other popular figures of the time]] such as ice breath, hurricane breath, x-ray vision, heat vision, as well as other ridiculous things like the [[NeverLiveItDown much mocked]] "super ventriloquism" and "[[SpinTheEarthBackwards reverse the Earth's spin]] {{time travel}}" while also seeing his existing abilities boosted far beyond their original ranges, super strength and flight now meaning [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace traveling the vacuum of space unaided]] while juggling planets like ComicBook/TheSpectre. Editorial realized StrongAsTheyNeedToBe and NewPowersAsThePlotDemands were getting out of hand and tried to reign them in, except the fans writing to DC about what powers they wanted Superman to have had gone on to write ''for'' DC and many refused to accept anything less than Superman's Silver Age {{power level}}s, muscling him back up every chance they got. Some of these writers never got the chance to see Superman use their suggested powers either and so new abilities [[SerialEscalation just kept coming up]], [[ComboPlatterPowers such]] as ComicBook/TheFlash like molecular vibrating/infinite mass punch, taking on electromagnetic forms that put [[ComicBook/CaptainMarvelMarvelComics Monica Rambeau]]'s to shame, splitting into two beings, tactile telekinesis, "nova" explosions, psychic martial arts and [[ExtradimensionalPowerSource extra dimensional energy absorption]]. Well into the 2020s fans showed no sign of ceasing to write DC about things Superman hasn't done yet that they want to see explored, and it has been all editorial can do to keep Superman at ''[[ComboPlatterPowers just]]'' [[PowerOfTheSun solar powered]] FlyingBrick, FlyingFirePower, SuperSenses in the megaton to zettaton range. Fans often joke that ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' was written ''solely'' to {{depower}} Superman. On the other hand, ''The Adventures of Superman'' story ''Strange Visitor'' was written to show exactly what would happen if the SerialEscalation of new powers and ever increasing feats was allowed to run unchecked.
* Most of DC's super powered characters have been bumped up over the years to keep from being completely overshadowed by Superman, from Wonder Woman gaining unaided flight, to The Flash's Speed Force skills, to The Green Lantern Corps losing their yellowweakness weakness, to Plastic Man becoming [[NoSell immune to more and more things]] but there is a particular focus on "proving" ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} is really awesome out of a fandom inferiority complex that came from ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' portraying the character as nigh useless. Aquaman's been given [[ArtificialLimbs mechanical limbs, limbs]], [[MakingASplash water magic, healing magic]], {{healing|hands}} magic, WeatherManipulation, had his telepathy {{telepathy}} extended to land and even alien life, been given command of sea monsters right out of Myth/NorseMythology and the Franchise/CthulhuMythos, even gaining SuperEmpowering abilities all in the name of combating the negative image not from comic books but from his portrayal in a completely different medium. Aquman's Golden Age goofy origin was also changed to a grittier one lifted straight out of ''ComicBook/{{Submariner}}'', while being given an [[NinetiesAntiHero even more hardcore attitude]] than his Marvel predecessor[[note]]In terms of being gruff and bitter anyway. DC Writers didn't have the courage to turn Aquaman into a sexual predator, murderer, or even make him as arrogant as [[ByronicHero Namor]][[/note]] and ManlyFacialHair, to ensure everyone would know Aquaman is to be taken seriously. Ron Marz and Peter David even admitted to having Aquaman excel in situations the character didn't have any logical business being in just because they like him. Cullen Bunn even admitted to writing Aquaman as ''pulp fiction'', a ''genre'' the character has no business in, and went so far as to give Aquaman teleportation powers!
* Most of DC's super powered characters have been bumped up over the years to keep from being completely overshadowed by Superman, from Wonder Woman gaining unaided flight, to The Flash's Speed Force skills, to The Green Lantern Corps losing their yellow
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* Blue Snowman was DC Comics first ice themed villain ever, but few fans have ever respected this fact, viewing [[SamusIsAGirl her]] as inferior to her successors Minister Blizzard, Captain Cold, Mister Freeze and Killer Frost. Initially DC just responded to her lack of popularity by not using Blue Snowman, but as more fans became writers during the late eighties, the character was dug back up to be mocked. The first and harshest instance was when editor [=Dan DiDio=] approved of Justin Gray, Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti giving Blue Snowman with a new, [[FashionVictimVillain intentionally goofy]] looking PoweredArmor and described Blue Snowman on panel in ''ComicBook/PowerGirl'' Volume 2 as "a C-List Wonder Woman villain with gender issues and a life expectancy of a few pages" before having her be EatenAlive.
* Doctor Cyber was a major villain in the late Silver Age and the totality of Broze Age DC. She ran several successful raids, heists and near successful attempts to TakeOverTheWorld. She manipulated Wonder Woman into surrending without a fight and fought the majority a ComicBook/TeenTitans team by herself. Fans did not care much for the character, however, deriding her as a poor man's [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Doctor Doom]], and Post ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' after some of those fans became writers, that's exactly how Doctor Cyber was treated. Post Crisis she was [[AdaptationalWimp demoted]] from a serious foe of Wonder Woman's to a minor nuisance to Wonder Woman {{sidekick}}s [[ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna Troy and Cassie Sandsmark]] despite the Post Crisis Doctor Cyber being more extensively enhanced. Marie Javins and Dan Mora in particular portrayed her as such a minor criminal during the ''Infinte Frontier'' stretch of ''World's Finest'' that Superman couldn't be bothered to apprehend her himself and Doctor Cyber doesn't even draw the attention of Wonder Woman. This extends beyond the comic books and into other media like ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', where Doctor Cyber basically exists to be mocked by Supergirl.
* Doctor Cyber was a major villain in the late Silver Age and the totality of Broze Age DC. She ran several successful raids, heists and near successful attempts to TakeOverTheWorld. She manipulated Wonder Woman into surrending without a fight and fought the majority a ComicBook/TeenTitans team by herself. Fans did not care much for the character, however, deriding her as a poor man's [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Doctor Doom]], and Post ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' after some of those fans became writers, that's exactly how Doctor Cyber was treated. Post Crisis she was [[AdaptationalWimp demoted]] from a serious foe of Wonder Woman's to a minor nuisance to Wonder Woman {{sidekick}}s [[ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna Troy and Cassie Sandsmark]] despite the Post Crisis Doctor Cyber being more extensively enhanced. Marie Javins and Dan Mora in particular portrayed her as such a minor criminal during the ''Infinte Frontier'' stretch of ''World's Finest'' that Superman couldn't be bothered to apprehend her himself and Doctor Cyber doesn't even draw the attention of Wonder Woman. This extends beyond the comic books and into other media like ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', where Doctor Cyber basically exists to be mocked by Supergirl.
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* Blue Snowman was DC Comics first ice themed villain ever, but few fans have ever respected this fact, viewing [[SamusIsAGirl her]] as inferior to her successors Minister Blizzard, Captain Cold, Mister Freeze and Killer Frost. Initially DC just responded to her lack of popularity by not using Blue Snowman, but as more fans became writers during the late eighties, the character was dug back up to be mocked. The first and harshest instance was when editor [=Dan DiDio=] approved of Justin Gray, Amanda Conner and Jimmy Palmiotti giving Blue Snowman with a new, [[FashionVictimVillain intentionally goofy]] looking PoweredArmor and described describing Blue Snowman on panel in ''ComicBook/PowerGirl'' Volume 2 as "a C-List Wonder Woman villain with gender issues and a life expectancy of a few pages" before having her be EatenAlive.
* Doctor Cyber was a major villain in the late Silver Age and the totality ofBroze Bronze Age DC. She ran several successful raids, heists and near successful attempts to TakeOverTheWorld. She manipulated Wonder Woman into surrending surrendering without a fight and fought the majority of a ComicBook/TeenTitans team by herself. Fans did not care much for the character, however, deriding her as a poor man's [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Doctor Doom]], and Post ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' after some of those fans became writers, that's exactly how Doctor Cyber was treated. Post Crisis she was [[AdaptationalWimp demoted]] from a serious foe of Wonder Woman's to a minor nuisance to Wonder Woman {{sidekick}}s [[ComicBook/WonderGirl Donna Troy and Cassie Sandsmark]] despite the Post Crisis Doctor Cyber being more extensively enhanced. Marie Javins and Dan Mora in particular portrayed her as such a minor criminal during the ''Infinte ''Infinite Frontier'' stretch of ''World's Finest'' that Superman couldn't be bothered to apprehend her himself and Doctor Cyber doesn't even draw the attention of Wonder Woman. This extends beyond the comic books and into other media like ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'', where Doctor Cyber basically exists to be mocked by Supergirl.
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** After the DarkerAndEdgier [[ComicBook/WonderWoman2011 Volume 4]]'s laser focus on Myth/ClassicalMythology, ''ComicBook/WonderWomanRebirth'' and ''ComicBook/WonderWomanInfiniteFrontier'' seem intent on not just bringing back as much as they can from the Post Crisis Wonder Woman run, such as Artemis of Bana-Mighdall and Captain of Hippolyta's guard Philippus, but also restoring some things left out of the Post Crisis period, such as not just removing Nubia from limbo but also removing her newer powers in favor of making her roughly equal to Diana as she had been in The Silver Age, bringing back Atalanta, who also had been absent since the Silver Age, undoing Antiope's PostHumousCharacter status and bringing back "The Amazons Of The Amazon", [[ReTool albeit no longer as a splinter lead by Atalanta.]] ''ComicBook/WonderWoman2023'' is even revisited ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', of all things. There has been [[ArmedWithCanon some push back]], as not everyone in the Asylum wants to throw out New 52 entirely.
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** After the DarkerAndEdgier [[ComicBook/WonderWoman2011 Volume 4]]'s laser focus on Myth/ClassicalMythology, ''ComicBook/WonderWomanRebirth'' ''ComicBook/WonderWomanRebirth'', ''ComicBook/DCFutureState'' and ''ComicBook/WonderWomanInfiniteFrontier'' seem intent on not just bringing back as much as they can from the Post Crisis Wonder Woman run, such as Artemis of Bana-Mighdall and Captain of Hippolyta's guard Philippus, but also restoring some things left out of the Post Crisis period, such as not just removing Nubia from limbo but also removing her newer powers in favor of making her roughly equal to Diana as she had been in The Silver Age, bringing back Atalanta, who also had been absent since the Silver Age, undoing Antiope's PostHumousCharacter status and bringing back "The Amazons Of The Amazon", [[ReTool albeit no longer as a splinter lead by Atalanta.]] ''ComicBook/WonderWoman2023'' is even revisited ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', of all things. There has been [[ArmedWithCanon some push back]], as not everyone in the Asylum wants to throw out New 52 entirely.
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* Vice President Editorial of DC Comics Dan [=DiDio=] dislikes {{legacy character}}s because he thinks having a character that is defined by another complicates things too much for potential new readers. This is fair enough reasoning for his Wally West Flash distaste, preferring he not be in focus because he is a part of a legacy, but he was also behind the canning of the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica, which had been running strong for 28 months after its {{revival}} and was producing popular {{spinoff}}s, while he continued to push characters like Hal Jordan, Barry Allen and Ray Palmer that happened to be legacy successors to JSA members because he was a fan of the Silver Age, where ''these'' legacy characters go their star, but the Golden Age of the JSA was before his time. Despite establishing how the DC multiverse would function, ''Flash Of Two Worlds'' made it clear Barry Allen knew who Jay Garrick was, and was inspired to become The Flash because of him. This was {{retcon}}ned out, but by that same logic Wally West's legacy character status could just as easily be retconned away. [=DiDio=] did allow the Justice Society characters a place in New 52's "Earth 2", but not without liberal re imagining that tended to alter the nature of their powers and turned them all into hip twenty somethings.
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* Vice President Editorial of DC Comics Dan [=DiDio=] dislikes {{legacy character}}s because he thinks having a character that is defined by another complicates things too much for potential new readers. This is fair enough reasoning for his Wally West Flash distaste, preferring he not be in focus because he is a part of a legacy, but he was also behind the canning of the ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica, which had been running strong for 28 months after its {{revival}} and was producing popular {{spinoff}}s, while he continued to push characters like Hal Jordan, Barry Allen and Ray Palmer that happened to be legacy successors to JSA members because he was a fan of the Silver Age, where ''these'' legacy characters go got their star, start, but the Golden Age of the JSA was before his time. Despite establishing how the DC multiverse would function, ''Flash Of Two Worlds'' made it clear Barry Allen knew who Jay Garrick was, and was inspired to become The Flash because of him. This was {{retcon}}ned out, but by that same logic Wally West's legacy character status could just as easily be retconned away. [=DiDio=] did allow the Justice Society characters a place in New 52's "Earth 2", but not without liberal re imagining that tended to alter the nature of their powers and turned them all into hip twenty somethings.
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* As ''The Kingdom''(Mike Zeck, Mark Waid), ''Convergence''(Ethan Van Sciver, Jeff King, Dan Jurgens), ''Doomsday Clock''(Geoff Johns), ''Dark Knights: Death Metal''(Greg Capullo, Scott Synder), ''Infinite Frontier'' and ''Dark Crisis'' have made clear, there are a lot of writers at DC Comic who have been waiting to tell ''their'' story that undoes ''Crisis On Infinite Earths'' basically since it happened and aren't going to let paltry facts like a previous writer or three getting the chance to undo it before they did get in their way. ''Infinite Frontier'' and ''Dark Crisis'' in particular show that Joshua Williamson had to reverse the events of ''Crisis On Infinite Earths'' twice before he got it out of his system.
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* As ''The Kingdom''(Mike Kingdom'' (Mike Zeck, Mark Waid), ''Convergence''(Ethan ''Convergence'' (Ethan Van Sciver, Jeff King, Dan Jurgens), ''Doomsday Clock''(Geoff Clock'' (Geoff Johns), ''Dark Knights: Death Metal''(Greg Metal'' (Greg Capullo, Scott Synder), ''Infinite Frontier'' and ''Dark Crisis'' have made clear, there are a lot of writers at DC Comic who have been waiting to tell ''their'' story that undoes ''Crisis On Infinite Earths'' basically since it happened and aren't going to let paltry facts like a previous writer or three getting the chance to undo it before they did get in their way. ''Infinite Frontier'' and ''Dark Crisis'' in particular show that Joshua Williamson had to reverse the events of ''Crisis On Infinite Earths'' twice before he got it out of his system.
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** Bringing Superman and Batman's close friendship back in ''ComicBook/PublicEnemies''.
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* Creator/HowardHughes was, among [[RenaissanceMan many other things]], a lifelong movie buff who dreamed of making movies in Hollywood. Having produced several films during the '30s and '40s (most notably ''Film/Scarface1932'' and ''Film/HellsAngels''), in 1948 he used his considerable fortune to buy out Creator/RKOPictures. His tenure as head of RKO was described by film historian Betty Lasky as a "systematic seven-year rape", as everything that could've gone wrong at a major studio did: he fired three-quarters of the studio's employees within weeks, he spent more time [[RedScare collaborating with HUAC]] and trolling the [[UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode Hays Office]] than actually making movies (output dropped from about thirty films a year before Hughes took over to just nine in 1948), the studio endured several disastrous productions and {{Box Office Bomb}}s that each would've been black marks on any studio's balance books, and by 1951, Sid Rogell and Sam Bischoff, the production chiefs who had been the {{Only Sane Employee}}s at RKO during the early part of Hughes' reign, got fed up with his constant ExecutiveMeddling and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere quit]]. All this compounded the pressure that all of Hollywood's "Big Five" studios were under in the wake of ''United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc.'', the 1948 antitrust case that set off the UsefulNotes/FallOfTheStudioSystem by forcing them to divest from their theater chains. By the time Hughes sold RKO to General Tire in 1955, the question wasn't ''if'' [[CreatorKiller the studio would go bankrupt]], but ''when''; as it turned out, the answer to that question was "eighteen months".
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* Creator/HowardHughes was, among [[RenaissanceMan many other things]], a lifelong movie buff who dreamed of making movies in Hollywood. Having produced several films during the '30s and '40s (most notably ''Film/Scarface1932'' and ''Film/HellsAngels''), in 1948 he used his considerable fortune to buy out Creator/RKOPictures. His tenure as head of RKO was described by film historian Betty Lasky as a "systematic seven-year rape", as everything that could've gone wrong at a major studio did: he fired three-quarters of the studio's employees within weeks, he spent more time [[RedScare collaborating with HUAC]] and trolling the [[UsefulNotes/TheHaysCode [[MediaNotes/TheHaysCode Hays Office]] than actually making movies (output dropped from about thirty films a year before Hughes took over to just nine in 1948), the studio endured several disastrous productions and {{Box Office Bomb}}s that each would've been black marks on any studio's balance books, and by 1951, Sid Rogell and Sam Bischoff, the production chiefs who had been the {{Only Sane Employee}}s at RKO during the early part of Hughes' reign, got fed up with his constant ExecutiveMeddling and [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere quit]]. All this compounded the pressure that all of Hollywood's "Big Five" studios were under in the wake of ''United States v. Paramount Pictures, Inc.'', the 1948 antitrust case that set off the UsefulNotes/FallOfTheStudioSystem MediaNotes/FallOfTheStudioSystem by forcing them to divest from their theater chains. By the time Hughes sold RKO to General Tire in 1955, the question wasn't ''if'' [[CreatorKiller the studio would go bankrupt]], but ''when''; as it turned out, the answer to that question was "eighteen months".
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* Most of DC's super powered characters have been bumped up over the years to keep from being completely overshadowed by Superman, from Wonder Woman gaining unaided flight, to The Flash's Speed Force skills, to The Green Lantern Corps losing their yellow weakness to Plastic Man becoming [[NoSell immune to more and more things]] but there is a particular focus on "proving" ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} is really awesome out of a fandom inferiority complex that came from ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' portraying the character as nigh useless. Aquaman's been given mechanical limbs, water magic, healing magic, WeatherManipulation, had his telepathy extended to land and even alien life, been given command of sea monsters right out of Myth/NorseMythology and the Franchise/CthulhuMythos, even gaining SuperEmpowering abilities all in the name of combating the negative image not from comic books but from his portrayal in a completely different medium. Aquman's Golden Age goofy origin was also changed to a grittier one lifted straight out of ''ComicBook/{{Submariner}}'', while being given an [[NinetiesAntiHero even more hardcore attitude]] than his Marvel predecessor[[note]]In terms of being gruff and bitter anyway. DC Writers didn't have the courage to turn Aquaman into a sexual predator, murderer, or even make him as arrogant as [[ByronicHero Namor]][[/note]] and ManlyFacialHair, to ensure everyone would know Aquaman is to be taken seriously. Ron Marz and Peter David even admitted to having Aquaman excel in situations the character didn't have any logical business being in just because they like him.
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* Most of DC's super powered characters have been bumped up over the years to keep from being completely overshadowed by Superman, from Wonder Woman gaining unaided flight, to The Flash's Speed Force skills, to The Green Lantern Corps losing their yellow weakness to Plastic Man becoming [[NoSell immune to more and more things]] but there is a particular focus on "proving" ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} is really awesome out of a fandom inferiority complex that came from ''WesternAnimation/SuperFriends'' portraying the character as nigh useless. Aquaman's been given mechanical limbs, water magic, healing magic, WeatherManipulation, had his telepathy extended to land and even alien life, been given command of sea monsters right out of Myth/NorseMythology and the Franchise/CthulhuMythos, even gaining SuperEmpowering abilities all in the name of combating the negative image not from comic books but from his portrayal in a completely different medium. Aquman's Golden Age goofy origin was also changed to a grittier one lifted straight out of ''ComicBook/{{Submariner}}'', while being given an [[NinetiesAntiHero even more hardcore attitude]] than his Marvel predecessor[[note]]In terms of being gruff and bitter anyway. DC Writers didn't have the courage to turn Aquaman into a sexual predator, murderer, or even make him as arrogant as [[ByronicHero Namor]][[/note]] and ManlyFacialHair, to ensure everyone would know Aquaman is to be taken seriously. Ron Marz and Peter David even admitted to having Aquaman excel in situations the character didn't have any logical business being in just because they like him. Cullen Bunn even admitted to writing Aquaman as ''pulp fiction'', a ''genre'' the character has no business in, and went so far as to give Aquaman teleportation powers!
