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11th May '18 7:06:29 AM GrigorII
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* ComicBook/UltimateMarvel: When Creator/JonathanHickman was hired to write ComicBook/TheUltimates, he said this: "I was pretty exited. When I first started at Marvel, one of the gigs I had looked at as a king of homerun job was the Ultimates. I loved how Brian and Mark had started things off - how real and large the world felt - and I always thought there was a logical next step to be taken. So here we are, one small step..."
4th May '18 7:14:37 PM Anddrix
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10 Omniverse}}'' makes use of this, as [[RecycledScript there are many scripts identical to previous episodes of other iterations]], [[CanonDiscontinuity blatantly ignoring some of the most oft-criticized aspects of the previous sequels]] (or in some cases, ones that [[BrokenBase break the base]]), and bringing Ben uncomfortably close to his first series incarnation while ignoring the maturing of the previous sequels. The character designs are also much closer to the first series. [[LoveItOrHateIt Whether or not you're fine with these is up to personal taste.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10 Omniverse}}'' makes use of this, as [[RecycledScript there are many scripts identical to previous episodes of other iterations]], [[CanonDiscontinuity blatantly ignoring some of the most oft-criticized aspects of the previous sequels]] (or in some cases, ones that [[BrokenBase break the base]]), and bringing Ben uncomfortably close to his first series incarnation while ignoring the maturing of the previous sequels. The character designs are also much closer to the first series. [[LoveItOrHateIt Whether or not you're fine with these is up to personal taste.]]
26th Apr '18 11:17:52 AM TheMountainKing
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'''s case, it seems like all the best writers that get their hands on him (including Creator/AnnNocenti, Creator/KevinSmith, Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker) are fans of Creator/FrankMiller's run and, just like him, are trying to make Matt's life [[TheWoobie as miserable as possible]]. Daredevil is ''supposed'' to be a dark and brooding character, [[TropesAreNotBad so fans don't mind]]. Tellingly it became divisive when Mark Waid [[LighterAndSofter wrote stories whose endings didn't drive him to drink from despair]], though Waid still has fans for the run.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'''s case, it seems like all the best writers that get their hands on him (including Creator/AnnNocenti, Creator/KevinSmith, Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker) are fans of Creator/FrankMiller's run and, just like him, are trying to make Matt's life [[TheWoobie as miserable as possible]]. Daredevil is ''supposed'' to be a dark and brooding character, [[TropesAreNotBad so fans don't mind]]. Tellingly it became divisive when Mark Waid Creator/MarkWaid [[LighterAndSofter wrote stories whose endings didn't drive him to drink from despair]], though Waid still has a good number of fans for the run.
26th Apr '18 11:17:12 AM TheMountainKing
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'''s case, it seems like all the best writers that get their hands on him (including Creator/AnnNocenti, Creator/KevinSmith, Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker) are fans of Creator/FrankMiller's run and, just like him, are trying to make Matt's life [[TheWoobie as miserable as possible]]. The Punisher is ''supposed'' to be a dark and brooding character, [[TropesAreNotBad so fans don't mind]]. Tellingly it became divisive when Mark Waid [[LighterAndSofter wrote stories whose endings didn't drive him to drink from despair]], though Waid still has fans for the run.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'''s case, it seems like all the best writers that get their hands on him (including Creator/AnnNocenti, Creator/KevinSmith, Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker) are fans of Creator/FrankMiller's run and, just like him, are trying to make Matt's life [[TheWoobie as miserable as possible]]. The Punisher Daredevil is ''supposed'' to be a dark and brooding character, [[TropesAreNotBad so fans don't mind]]. Tellingly it became divisive when Mark Waid [[LighterAndSofter wrote stories whose endings didn't drive him to drink from despair]], though Waid still has fans for the run.
17th Apr '18 5:58:43 PM Isaac_Heller
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10 Omniverse}}'' makes use of this, as [[RecycledScript there are many scripts identical to previous episodes of other iterations]], [[CanonDiscontinuity blatantly ignoring some of the most oft-criticized aspects of the previous sequels]] (or in some cases, ones that [[BrokenBase break the base]]), and bringing Ben uncomfortably close to his first series incarnation while ignoring the maturing of the previous sequels. The character designs are also much closer to the first series. Whether or not you're fine with these is up to personal taste.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10 Omniverse}}'' makes use of this, as [[RecycledScript there are many scripts identical to previous episodes of other iterations]], [[CanonDiscontinuity blatantly ignoring some of the most oft-criticized aspects of the previous sequels]] (or in some cases, ones that [[BrokenBase break the base]]), and bringing Ben uncomfortably close to his first series incarnation while ignoring the maturing of the previous sequels. The character designs are also much closer to the first series. [[LoveItOrHateIt Whether or not you're fine with these is up to personal taste.]]
11th Dec '17 12:32:57 PM RedScharlach
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* ''Film/SupermanReturns'' is a textbook example. Creator/BryanSinger, who at that point had turned the [[KudzuPlot extremely convoluted]], SpaceOpera-esque ''Comicbook/XMen'' universe into two down-to-earth, accessible and critically acclaimed hits (''Film/XMen1'' and ''Film/X2XMenUnited''), was hired on the assumption that he'd do the same with Superman. The important difference was that Singer was initially not an ''X-Men'' fan at all, and thus understood what other non-fans (i.e. millions of movie-goers) would find compelling about the source material and made the movies around that stuff. ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'', on the other hand, was one of his favorite films, and thus the franchise-making blockbuster he was entrusted to deliver wound up as some sort of vague sequel to films that came out 30 years earlier PACKED with [[ContinuityPorn dozens of quotes and forced homages]] to said films in lieu of new material, and a bizarre plot featuring [[spoiler:Superman as the absentee father of a maybe-half-Kryptonian child which Lois might not remember conceiving depending on whether or not he erased her memory of their affair from either version of ''Film/SupermanII'', prior to the events this film, which they don't explain]]. It did not go over well, and a [[Film/ManOfSteel reboot]] began just seven years after ''Returns'' came out.

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* ''Film/SupermanReturns'' is a textbook example. Creator/BryanSinger, who at that point had turned the [[KudzuPlot extremely convoluted]], SpaceOpera-esque ''Comicbook/XMen'' universe into two down-to-earth, accessible and critically acclaimed hits (''Film/XMen1'' and ''Film/X2XMenUnited''), was hired on the assumption that he'd do the same with Superman. The important difference was that Singer was initially not an ''X-Men'' fan at all, and thus understood what other non-fans (i.e. millions of movie-goers) would find compelling about the source material and made the movies around that stuff. ''Film/SupermanTheMovie'', on the other hand, was one of his favorite films, and thus the franchise-making blockbuster he was entrusted to deliver wound up as some sort of vague sequel to films that came out 30 years earlier earlier, PACKED with [[ContinuityPorn dozens of quotes and forced homages]] to said films in lieu of new material, and a bizarre plot featuring [[spoiler:Superman as the absentee father of a maybe-half-Kryptonian child which Lois might not remember conceiving depending on whether or not he erased her memory of their affair from either version of ''Film/SupermanII'', prior to the events this film, which they don't explain]]. It did not go over well, and a [[Film/ManOfSteel reboot]] began just seven years after ''Returns'' came out.



* ''Film/KingKong2005'', like ''Film/SupermanReturns'', is a prime example. While Creator/PeterJackson was a fan of ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'', and still managed to turn them into humongous hits, the [[Film/KingKong1933 original 1933 version]] of ''Film/KingKong'' is his all time favorite film. He had wanted to remake it as a young boy, and even planned on doing it before adapting the LOTR films (it took the latter becoming the mega blockbusters that they are to finally convince the studio to fund it). Needless to say, the film ended up being packed with loads of plot points, MythologyGags, and character quotes that only people who were familiar with the original would pick up on; the film also ended with a running time of ''three and a half hours''. While the film isn't seen as ''bad'' and it wasn't even a failure at the box office, it didn't become a mega-success like the LOTR trilogy, and some blame Jackson's closeness to the original as one of the reasons it failed to match the quality of his previous work.

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* ''Film/KingKong2005'', like ''Film/SupermanReturns'', is a prime example. While Creator/PeterJackson was a fan of ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'', and still managed to turn them into humongous hits, the [[Film/KingKong1933 original 1933 version]] of ''Film/KingKong'' is his all time all-time favorite film. He had wanted to remake it as a young boy, and even planned on doing it before adapting the LOTR films (it took the latter becoming the mega blockbusters that they are to finally convince the studio to fund it). Needless to say, the film ended up being packed with loads of plot points, MythologyGags, and character quotes that only people who were familiar with the original would pick up on; the film also ended with a running time of ''three and a half hours''. While the film isn't seen as ''bad'' and it wasn't even a failure at the box office, it didn't become a mega-success like the LOTR trilogy, and some blame Jackson's closeness to the original as one of the reasons it failed to match the quality of his previous work.



* Ever since at least the fourth book Piers Anthony's ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' series now consists almost entirely of puns and {{plot coupon}}s taken from reader fan mail--and there are ''over 30 books''. The further into the series you go, the more reliant the books get on reader-submitted puns. He even gives credits in his Author's Note at the end of each book for each reader suggestion he decided to use. It's a shame, as Anthony has demonstrated his writing skills in numerous other series, but it may say something about the potential audience that the ''Xanth'' books have always been his most popular.

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* Ever since Since at least the fourth book book, Piers Anthony's ''Literature/{{Xanth}}'' series now consists almost entirely of puns and {{plot coupon}}s taken from reader fan mail--and there are ''over 30 books''. The further into the series you go, the more reliant the books get on reader-submitted puns. He even gives credits in his Author's Note at the end of each book for each reader suggestion he decided to use. It's a shame, as Anthony has demonstrated his writing skills in numerous other series, but it may say something about the potential audience that the ''Xanth'' books have always been his most popular.



* Creator/StevenMoffat and Creator/MarkGatiss of ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' describe themselves as Arthur Conan Doyle fanboys and it shows. The duo's talent made the series an aversion as it was critically acclaimed and beloved by book fans and newcomers for its {{in joke}}s and {{Shout Out}}s [[MythologyGag to the original stories]], fascinating explorations of Sherlock's mind, and [[ShipTease teasing]] [[FanPreferredCouple Johnlocke]] so directly that actually happening seemed possible. But with the beginning of series three, the very same elements became so overplayed that it ruined the show. [[MythologyGag References]] became more integral to the plot, applied to fanon as well, and were tweaked to throw book fans off the mystery, ruining the fun in catching the reference and mostly confusing the plot. Mysteries became overly complicated, ended with nonsensical twists, and were excessively bleak and over dramatic. Exploring Sherlock's mental state was made so important that the mysteries and even antagonists would eventually revolve around him. The writers began to resent the fans paying Johnlocke so much attention and began to openly mock them for it, driving away even hardcore shippers. That so many of these criticisms also apply to Moffat's run on Doctor Who has only exacerbated complaints.

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* Creator/StevenMoffat and Creator/MarkGatiss of ''Series/{{Sherlock}}'' describe themselves as Arthur Conan Doyle fanboys and it shows. The duo's talent made the series an aversion as it was critically acclaimed and beloved by book fans and newcomers for its {{in joke}}s and {{Shout Out}}s [[MythologyGag to the original stories]], fascinating explorations of Sherlock's mind, and [[ShipTease teasing]] [[FanPreferredCouple Johnlocke]] Johnlock]] so directly that actually happening seemed possible. But with the beginning of series three, the very same elements became so overplayed that it ruined the show. [[MythologyGag References]] became more integral to the plot, applied to fanon as well, and were tweaked to throw book fans off the mystery, ruining the fun in catching the reference and mostly confusing the plot. Mysteries became overly complicated, ended with nonsensical twists, and were excessively bleak and over dramatic. Exploring Sherlock's mental state was made so important that the mysteries and even antagonists would eventually revolve around him. The writers began to resent the fans paying Johnlocke Johnlock so much attention and began to openly mock them for it, driving away even hardcore shippers. That so many of these criticisms also apply to Moffat's run on Doctor Who has only exacerbated complaints.
9th Nov '17 10:50:42 PM LinTaylor
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* ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' has fans, too. The tenth anniversary season, ''Series/PowerRangersWildForce'', promoted long-time fan Amit Bhaumik to head writer status. Reactions are split: the season itself is considered abysmal, but that has just as much to do with Disney's buyout of the franchise and the cast and showrunner Jonathan Tzachor[[note]]who is known for being a fanboy... of the ''Franchise/SuperSentai'' source material, mandating that his ''Power Rangers'' seasons [[ShotForShotRemake skew as closely to the original Sentai programs as possible]]; a mentality that led to previous head writer Judd Lynn quitting at the end of ''Series/PowerRangersTimeForce''[[/note]] as the writing staff or anything else. On the other hand, there are the two (completely original) [[ReunionShow team-up specials]]. The traditional previous/current season cross is considered one of the best the franchise has to offer, as not only does it bring back a very popular cast, it also provides closure for the season's villains, manages to integrate the two teams almost seamlessly, and even provides some ShipTease: not only can [[ActionGirl Jen]] and Wes have a happier ending than previously thought, but so can ''TF's'' [[SixthRanger Eric]] and ''WF's'' Taylor. Meanwhile, the tenth anniversary special, despite being a banned topic on many message boards and ripping open plot hole upon plot hole, is still plenty entertaining, between the various {{continuity nod}}s and well-choreographed fight scenes. Notably, it also features a reference to a fan hoax known as "Scorpion Rain," which Bhaumik helped perpetuate; he noted that he wrote "Forever Red" as if "Scorpion Rain" was in continuity. See the {{fanon}} page for details.

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* ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' has fans, too. The tenth anniversary season, ''Series/PowerRangersWildForce'', promoted long-time fan Amit Bhaumik to head writer status. Reactions are split: the season itself is considered abysmal, but that has just as much to do with Disney's buyout of the franchise and the cast and showrunner Jonathan Tzachor[[note]]who is known for being a fanboy... of the ''Franchise/SuperSentai'' source material, mandating that his ''Power Rangers'' seasons [[ShotForShotRemake skew as closely to the original Sentai programs as possible]]; a mentality that led to previous head writer Judd Lynn quitting at the end of ''Series/PowerRangersTimeForce''[[/note]] Tzachor as the writing staff or anything else. On the other hand, there are the two (completely original) [[ReunionShow team-up specials]]. The traditional previous/current season cross is considered one of the best the franchise has to offer, as not only does it bring back a very popular cast, it also provides closure for the season's villains, manages to integrate the two teams almost seamlessly, and even provides some ShipTease: not only can [[ActionGirl Jen]] and Wes have a happier ending than previously thought, but so can ''TF's'' [[SixthRanger Eric]] and ''WF's'' Taylor. Meanwhile, the tenth anniversary special, despite being a banned topic on many message boards and ripping open plot hole upon plot hole, is still plenty entertaining, between the various {{continuity nod}}s and well-choreographed fight scenes. Notably, it also features a reference to a fan hoax known as "Scorpion Rain," which Bhaumik helped perpetuate; he noted that he wrote "Forever Red" as if "Scorpion Rain" was in continuity. See the {{fanon}} page for details.details.
** Tzachor is also an example of this, because he's a fan of...Franchise/SuperSentai, which led to him making the seasons he directed [[ShotForShotRemake cleave as closely to their source material as possible]]. This attitude of course clashes with directors who want to write original stories that respect Super Sentai without slavishly imitating it; the disagreement over these attitudes led to previous head writer Judd Lynn quitting at the end of ''Series/PowerRangersTimeForce''.
29th Oct '17 12:51:21 PM RoninMacbeth
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** This is basically how the Literature/CthulhuMythos works. The original circle of writers is long-dead, and so the fans of each successive generation of contributors start contributing stories to the mythos, thus becoming the new generation of writers. In fact, much of Lovecraft's work is derived from other authors, such as Ambrose Bierce, meaning that the Lovecraft circle ''themselves'' were a case of this trope.
5th Sep '17 9:50:05 AM Augusto
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* The notoriously [[SurrealHorror sur]][[SurrealHumor real]] ''Frachise/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangames ''Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys'' and ''[[Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys One Night at Flumpty's 2]]'' were originally supposed to be capped off with ''One Week at Flumpty's'', a GrandFinale third installment which got called due to a ''serious'' CreatorBreakdown stemming from the fact that {{Creator/Jonochrome}}, the guy behind the game who's also of Videogame/RiddleSchool fame, was afraid that the attention he got from these games would make people remember him more by his [[MagnumOpusDissonance fan game developer status than his game developer staus]], he even went as far as to briefly delete the two other so no one could play them. However, as time passed and the initial shock went away, Jonochrome decided to provide the fans with the unfinished game, a ''carte blanche'' for them to do whatever they want with it, and an apology, saying that his behaviour was childish and that "no one gains anything from such a negative atitude". ''One Week at Flumpty's'' is currently being finised by a subreddit of fans that has since gained Jonochrome's full [[ApprovalOfGod support and approval]].

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* The notoriously [[SurrealHorror sur]][[SurrealHumor real]] ''Frachise/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangames ''Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys'' and ''[[Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys One Night at Flumpty's 2]]'' were originally supposed to be capped off with ''One Week at Flumpty's'', a GrandFinale third installment which got called due to a ''serious'' CreatorBreakdown stemming from the fact that {{Creator/Jonochrome}}, the guy behind the game who's also of Videogame/RiddleSchool fame, was afraid that the attention he got from these games would make people remember him more by his [[MagnumOpusDissonance fan game developer status than his game developer staus]], he even went as far as to briefly delete the two other games so no one could play them. However, as time passed and the initial shock went away, Jonochrome decided to provide the fans with the unfinished game, a ''carte blanche'' for them to do whatever they want with it, and an apology, saying that his behaviour was childish and that "no one gains anything from such a negative atitude". ''One Week at Flumpty's'' is currently being finised by a subreddit of fans that has since gained Jonochrome's full [[ApprovalOfGod support and approval]].
5th Sep '17 9:31:46 AM Augusto
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* The notoriously [[SurrealHorror sur]][[SurrealHumor real]] ''Frachise/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangames ''Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys'' and ''[[Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys One Night at Flumpty's 2]]'' were originally supposed to be capped off with ''One Week at Flumpty's'', a GrandFinale third installment which got called due to a ''serious'' CreatorBreakdown stemming from the fact that {{Creator/Jonochrome}}, the guy behind the game who's also of Videogame/RiddleSchool fame, was afraid that the attention he got from these games would make people remember him more by his [[MagnumOpusDissonance fan game developer status than his game developer staus]], he even went as far as to briefly delete the two other so no one could play them. However, as time passed and the initial shock went away, Jonochrome decided to provide the fans with the unfinished game, a ''carte blanche'' for them to do whatever they want with it, and an apology, saying that his behaviour was childish and that "no one gains anything from such a negative atitude". ''One Week at Flumpty's'' is currently being finised by a subreddit of fans that has since gained Jonochrome's [[ApprovalOfGod support and approval]].

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* The notoriously [[SurrealHorror sur]][[SurrealHumor real]] ''Frachise/FiveNightsAtFreddys'' fangames ''Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys'' and ''[[Videogame/OneNightAtFlumptys One Night at Flumpty's 2]]'' were originally supposed to be capped off with ''One Week at Flumpty's'', a GrandFinale third installment which got called due to a ''serious'' CreatorBreakdown stemming from the fact that {{Creator/Jonochrome}}, the guy behind the game who's also of Videogame/RiddleSchool fame, was afraid that the attention he got from these games would make people remember him more by his [[MagnumOpusDissonance fan game developer status than his game developer staus]], he even went as far as to briefly delete the two other so no one could play them. However, as time passed and the initial shock went away, Jonochrome decided to provide the fans with the unfinished game, a ''carte blanche'' for them to do whatever they want with it, and an apology, saying that his behaviour was childish and that "no one gains anything from such a negative atitude". ''One Week at Flumpty's'' is currently being finised by a subreddit of fans that has since gained Jonochrome's full [[ApprovalOfGod support and approval]].
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