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** The journal states that Commander Hurricane was the only stallion among the Founders, so that the other five -- Private Pansy, Smart Cookie, Chancellor Puddinghead, Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum -- were by extension all mares. The ''WesternAnimation/EquestriaGirls'' short "[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsForgottenFriendship Forgotten Friendship]]", however, rather unambiguously refers to Clover as a male.

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** The journal states that Commander Hurricane was the only stallion among the Founders, so that the other five -- Private Pansy, Smart Cookie, Chancellor Puddinghead, Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum -- were by extension all mares. The ''WesternAnimation/EquestriaGirls'' ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' short "[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsForgottenFriendship Forgotten Friendship]]", however, rather unambiguously refers to Clover as a male.
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* CerebusRetcon: The events by which Celestia and Luna took up movement of the sun and moon are shown here to involve PoweredByAForsakenChild, which was not mentioned in the show.

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* CerebusRetcon: The events by which Celestia and Luna took up movement of moving the sun and moon are shown here to involve because the previous way of doing it was PoweredByAForsakenChild, which was not mentioned in the show.
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** Luna's [[InSeriesNickname nickname]] for Celestia is "Celie". Previously, much of the fandom assumed it was "Tia".

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** Luna's [[InSeriesNickname nickname]] for Celestia is "Celie". Previously, much of the fandom assumed it was "Tia".
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* AbsenteeActor: Fairly justified, as the period the diaries cover just doesn't stretch into the events that involve them. Still the absence of even a hint of Discord or Sombra in the Celestia/Luna chapters is notable.
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** Princess Platinum's father was named King [[ThemeNaming Bullion]].
** Luna's [[InSeriesNickname nickname]] for Celestia is "Celie". Previously, much of the fandom assumed it was "Tia".
** The [[AgelessBirthdayEpisode party for Rainbow Dash]] that was held in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E12PinkiePride "Pinkie Pride"]] was her "tenth birth-aversary", probably meaning she's been living in Ponyville for ten years.
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** Princess Platinum's father was named King [[ThemeNaming Bullion]].
** Luna's [[InSeriesNickname nickname]] for Celestia is "Celie" (which {{Josse|d}}s the {{fanon}} that it's "Tia" but [[AscendedFanon confirms]] the "Celly" fanon, albeit with a different spelling)
** The [[AgelessBirthdayEpisode party for Rainbow Dash]] that was held in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E12PinkiePride "Pinkie Pride"]] was her "tenth birth-aversary", probably meaning she's been living in Ponyville for ten years.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Commander Hurricane and Chancellor Puddinghead are portrayed more positively here than in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve Hearth's Warming Eve]], suggesting they have experienced this.



* TookALevelInKindness: Commander Hurricane and Chancellor Puddinghead are portrayed more positively here than in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve Hearth's Warming Eve]], suggesting they have experienced this.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Commander Hurricane and Chancellor Puddinghead are portrayed more positively here than in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve Hearth's Warming Eve]], suggesting they have experienced this.


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* TookALevelInKindness: Commander Hurricane and Chancellor Puddinghead are portrayed more positively here than in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve Hearth's Warming Eve]], suggesting they have experienced this.
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** When the sisters first see the Tree of Harmony, they notice the six-point-star where the branches diverge from the trunk, correctly guess it to be significant when their cutie marks wind up matching the sun and moon designs on said trunk, and when Starswirl plays dumb about whose cutie mark matches said six-point-star, Celestia writes how she will have to wait to meet [[Characters/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle that pony]] herself [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E23TheCutieMarkChronicles someday]].

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** When the sisters first see the Tree of Harmony, they notice the six-point-star where the branches diverge from the trunk, correctly guess it to be significant when their cutie marks wind up matching the sun and moon designs on said trunk, and when Starswirl plays dumb about whose cutie mark matches said six-point-star, Celestia writes how she will have to wait to meet [[Characters/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle that pony]] herself [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E23TheCutieMarkChronicles someday]].

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** Starswirl the Bearded tried to teach Luna how to move stars, which would lead to her moving them in the first episode to free herself from the moon.
** Princess Platinum falls victim to the trap door on the throne, just as Rarity (who played her in the Hearth Warming Eve production) did.
** Princess Platinum also ends up designing the tapestries... that more than a thousand years later Rarity spends so much effort restoring.

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** When the sisters first see the Tree of Harmony, they notice the six-point-star where the branches diverge from the trunk, correctly guess it to be significant when their cutie marks wind up matching the sun and moon designs on said trunk, and when Starswirl plays dumb about whose cutie mark matches said six-point-star, Celestia writes how she will have to wait to meet [[Characters/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle that pony]] herself [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS1E23TheCutieMarkChronicles someday]].
*** That said, this creates a bit of ContinuitySnarl when you remember Shining Armor also has the six-point-star on his cutie mark, which at the time was just to mark him as related to Twilight.
** Starswirl the Bearded tried to teach Luna how to move stars, which would lead to her moving them in the first episode to free herself from the moon.
moon.
** Two to [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS4E3CastleManeia Castle Mane-ia]]:
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Princess Platinum falls victim to the trap door on the throne, just as Rarity (who played her in the Hearth Warming Eve production) did.
** *** Princess Platinum also ends up designing the tapestries... that more than a thousand years later Rarity spends so much effort restoring.



* TheChosenOne: Ever since Celestia and Luna got their cutie marks, they've been awaiting the birth of [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle the pony]] whose cutie mark would match the third symbol on the Tree of Harmony -- the six-pointed star.

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* TheChosenOne: Ever since Celestia and Luna got their cutie marks, they've been awaiting the birth of [[Characters/FriendshipIsMagicTwilightSparkle the pony]] whose cutie mark would match the third symbol on the Tree of Harmony -- the six-pointed star.six-point-star.
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* BigSisterWorship: [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Luna clearly adores Celestia, and gushes all over the diary whenever she does something cool.]] This is a source of DramaticIrony, since we know Luna will become Nightmare Moon later.

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* BigSisterWorship: [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Luna clearly adores Celestia, and gushes all over the diary whenever she does something cool.]] cool. This is a source of DramaticIrony, since we know Luna will become Nightmare Moon later.
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* BizarreAlienBiology: From the point of view of the other ponies, the alicorns not getting their cutie marks until comparatively later in life is this.

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* BizarreAlienBiology: From the point of view of the other ponies, the alicorns not getting their cutie marks until comparatively later in life is this.indeed strange. It makes them look less mature than they really are.



** She also ends up designing the tapestries... that more than a thousand years later Rarity spends so much effort restoring.

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** She Princess Platinum also ends up designing the tapestries... that more than a thousand years later Rarity spends so much effort restoring.



* CerebusRetcon: [[PoweredByAForsakenChild The events by which Celestia and Luna took up movement of the sun and moon.]]

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* CerebusRetcon: [[PoweredByAForsakenChild The events by which Celestia and Luna took up movement of the sun and moon.]]moon are shown here to involve PoweredByAForsakenChild, which was not mentioned in the show.



* EasyEvangelism: Luna averts a war between the Griffon Empire and Equestria... with sweets. And rhyming. But mostly sweets.

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* EasyEvangelism: Luna averts a war between the Griffon Empire and Equestria... Equestria with sweets. And rhyming. But rhyming, but mostly sweets.



* NervesOfSteel: Say what you like about Princess Platinum, she only trembles briefly at Luna's display of magical power, royal Canterlot voice and her angry manticore pet before going right back to taunting her. Whatever else she is, she's certainly not a coward.

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* NervesOfSteel: Say what you like about Princess Platinum, she only trembles briefly at Luna's display of magical power, royal Canterlot voice ROYAL CANTERLOT VOICE and her angry manticore pet before going right back to taunting her. Whatever else she is, she's certainly not a coward.



* RhymesOnADime: Seems to be a racial trait of all zebras.
* RichBitch: Princess Platinum clearly didn't learn anything from the events depicted in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]].

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* RhymesOnADime: Seems to be a racial trait of all zebras.
zebras since the ones that Luna meets speak in rhyme just like Zecora.
* RichBitch: Princess Platinum clearly didn't learn anything from the events depicted in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]].Eve"]] but she is definitely not friendly to the alicorn sisters.
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** While also LooseCanon, ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyLegendsOfMagic'' goes out of its way to tie into the show's canon, preemptivly mentioning {{retcon}}s that "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" would later confirm. Celetia and Luna were show to have had their cutie marks while they were teenagers, unlike in the book where they gained them in adulthood. The younger Celestia's personality is also [[AdaptationalJerkass quite different than what's presented in the journal]].

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** While also LooseCanon, ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyLegendsOfMagic'' goes out of its way to tie into the show's canon, preemptivly mentioning {{retcon}}s that "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" would later confirm. Celetia Celestia and Luna were show shown to have had their cutie marks while they were teenagers, unlike in the book where they gained them in adulthood. The younger Celestia's personality is also [[AdaptationalJerkass quite different than what's presented in the journal]].



* RichBitch: Princess Platinum clearly didn't learn anything from the events depicted in [[MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]].

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* RichBitch: Princess Platinum clearly didn't learn anything from the events depicted in [[MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E13HearthsWarmingEve "Hearth's Warming Eve"]].
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* BigSisterWorship: [[HeartwarmingMoments Luna clearly adores Celestia, and gushes all over the diary whenever she does something cool.]] This is a source of DramaticIrony, since we know Luna will become Nightmare Moon later.

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* BigSisterWorship: [[HeartwarmingMoments [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Luna clearly adores Celestia, and gushes all over the diary whenever she does something cool.]] This is a source of DramaticIrony, since we know Luna will become Nightmare Moon later.

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** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" jettisons one of the book's events with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown from a seed planted by Starswirl and the other Pillars and only grew into maturity and was found by the sisters after Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]].

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** While also LooseCanon, ''ComicBook/MyLittlePonyLegendsOfMagic'' goes out of its way to tie into the show's canon, preemptivly mentioning {{retcon}}s that "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" would later confirm. Celetia and Luna were show to have had their cutie marks while they were teenagers, unlike in the book where they gained them in adulthood. The younger Celestia's personality is also [[AdaptationalJerkass quite different than what's presented in the journal]].
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jettisons one of the book's events with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown from a seed planted by Starswirl and the other Pillars and only grew into maturity and was found by the sisters after Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]].

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication in 2014, the series' own depictions of the franchise's lore began to result in contradictions with some of the events shown in the book. Other parts of the story, such as encounters with the griffons and the dragon, were left untouched.
** Season 7's finale, "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]", jettisons one of the book's events with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown from a seed planted by Starswirl and the other Pillars and only grew into maturity and was found by the sisters after Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]].

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication in 2014, publication, the series' own depictions of the franchise's its lore began to result in contradictions with contradict some of the events shown in the book. Other parts of book.
** "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS6E1TheCrystallingPart1 The Crystalling]]" states Flurry Heart was
the story, first alicorn born in the history of Equestria, while the book claims Celestia and Luna were also born such as encounters with the griffons and the dragon, [[TheGhost mentions other alicorns]]. The author's stated {{handwave}} is that [[ExactWords they were left untouched.
born before Equestria was founded]].
** Season 7's finale, "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]", Play]]" jettisons one of the book's events with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown from a seed planted by Starswirl and the other Pillars and only grew into maturity and was found by the sisters after Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]].


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* SchrodingersCanon: While several aspects of the book have been rendered CanonDiscontinuity or contradict things before and after, "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS8E7HorsePlay Horse Play]]" confirms the book's account of [[PoweredByAForsakenChild how the sun and moon were raised]], showing the parts that aren't yet contradicted by the show can be considered canon.
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* AlliterativeName: Melvin the Manticore, Gregor the Griffon (who is [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal "grumbly, gruff and generally a grouch."]])

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* AlliterativeName: Melvin the Manticore, Gregor the Griffon (who is [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal [[AlliterativeList "grumbly, gruff and generally a grouch."]])

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication, the series began taking liberties with the franchise's lore that contradicted what was shown in the book. For instance, season 7's "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" jettisons one of its events with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown when Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]]. Other parts of the story, such as encounters with the griffons and the dragon, were left untouched.

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication, publication in 2014, the series began taking liberties with series' own depictions of the franchise's lore that contradicted what was began to result in contradictions with some of the events shown in the book. For instance, season Other parts of the story, such as encounters with the griffons and the dragon, were left untouched.
** Season
7's finale, "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" Play]]", jettisons one of its the book's events with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown when from a seed planted by Starswirl and the other Pillars and only grew into maturity and was found by the sisters after Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]]. Other parts of depicts]].
** The journal states that Commander Hurricane was
the story, such as encounters with only stallion among the griffons Founders, so that the other five -- Private Pansy, Smart Cookie, Chancellor Puddinghead, Clover the Clever and Princess Platinum -- were by extension all mares. The ''WesternAnimation/EquestriaGirls'' short "[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsForgottenFriendship Forgotten Friendship]]", however, rather unambiguously refers to Clover as a male.
** At one point in the novel, Luna crosses the Everfree Forest and emerges into a grassland inhabited by zebras. Expansions in the show's geography, including the journey south in [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyTheMovie2017 the 2017 movie]]
and the dragon, were left untouched.holographic map in Twilight's castle following its expansion in the Season 8 premiere, show the Everfree being located in a mostly central position in Equestria, and the lands to its south being the area of Far West-inspired desert that in the show contains Appleloosa, Las Pegasus, Dodge Junction and the buffalo lands, with a massive sandy desert south of that. While it is possible for changes in geography, climate and population over a thousand years to account for this, this still presents a conflict in canon presentations of what lies south of Equestria.
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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication, the series began taking liberties with the franchise's lore that contradicted what was shown in the book. Ultimately, season 7's "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" jettisons the book's canon entirely with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown when Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]].

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication, the series began taking liberties with the franchise's lore that contradicted what was shown in the book. Ultimately, For instance, season 7's "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" jettisons the book's canon entirely one of its events with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown when Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts]].depicts]]. Other parts of the story, such as encounters with the griffons and the dragon, were left untouched.
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** Luna is convinced Chancellor Puddinghead is this.

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** Luna is convinced Chancellor Puddinghead is this.an effective chancellor despite the many quirks.
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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication, the series began taking liberties with the franchise's lore that contradicted what was shown in the book. Ultimately, season 7's "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" jettisons the book's canon entirely with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown when Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts.]]

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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication, the series began taking liberties with the franchise's lore that contradicted what was shown in the book. Ultimately, season 7's "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" jettisons the book's canon entirely with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown when Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts.]]depicts]].
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* CanonDiscontinuity: Following the book's publication, the series began taking liberties with the franchise's lore that contradicted what was shown in the book. Ultimately, season 7's "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E25ShadowPlayPart1 Shadow]] [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS7E26ShadowPlayPart2 Play]]" jettisons the book's canon entirely with TheReveal that [[spoiler:the Tree of Harmony was actually grown when Starswirl disappeared, as opposed to Starswirl leading them to the tree as the book depicts.]]
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''The Journal of the Two Sisters: The Official Chronicles of Princesses Celestia and Luna'' is a officially licensed companion book to the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' series written by show writer Amy Keating Rogers, designed to be a {{Defictionalization}} of both the Journal of the Two Sisters and the diary Twilight Sparkle and her friends were writing throughout Season 4 of the show.

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''The Journal of the Two Sisters: The Official Chronicles of Princesses Celestia and Luna'' is a an officially licensed companion book to the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' series written by show writer Amy Keating Rogers, designed to be a {{Defictionalization}} of both the Journal of the Two Sisters and the diary Twilight Sparkle and her friends were writing throughout Season 4 of the show.
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* TheAgeless: Not Celestia and Luna (who Luna describes as just really LongLived) but Starswirl the Bearded, who in his attempts to create time spells, instead creates an age reversal spell and successfully uses it on himself. This nicely explains how he could be alive for so many important events, and raises the possibility he could still be so....

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* TheAgeless: Not Celestia and Luna (who Luna describes as just really LongLived) but Starswirl the Bearded, who in his attempts to create time spells, spells instead creates an age reversal spell and successfully uses it on himself. This nicely explains how he could be alive for so many important events, and raises the possibility he could still be so....so...



* AllThereInTheManual: The following are revealed for the first time in this book --

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* AllThereInTheManual: The following are revealed for the first time in this book --book:



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