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** In "The Promised Land", Lister appears distressed by Rimmer's threat to switch himself off. He tells Rimmer, "We need you. I need you!" and continues with a very sweet analogy about moonlight, comparing himself and Rimmer to the sun and the moon, neither of which can make moonlight without the other.
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** In Doug Naylor's solo novel, ''Last Human'', Lister is given a symbiotic variant of the polymorph for his own personal use on his last night before being shipped out on the scout ship being sent to investigate the Rage. When Lister despondently tells it that he cannot function if it remains in Kochanski's form, it tries to please Lister by becoming Rimmer instead.
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---> '''Lister''': 'It must mean something. You don't dream about someone you don't feel something for.'
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---> '''High Lister''': 'Have I told you today how much I love thee, brother? How much my heart glimmers like a new born star when I gaze upon thine beauteous countenance?'
---> '''High Rimmer''': 'Thy love refreshes and cleanses me like a babbling mountain stream, brother.'
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---> '''Rimmer''': 'It's It's Kochanski's body, it's Kochanski's voice. I mean, what's the difference? Come on!' on!
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---> '''Lister:''' Where are you coming from, Rimmer? You don't even like me!
---> '''Rimmer:''' Don't I?
---> '''Lister:''' No!
---> '''Rimmer:''' Fine. (''sits silently, fuming'')
---> '''Lister:''' (''uncertainly'') ...You don't, though, do you? You don't even like me.
---> '''Rimmer:''' That's what you think, is it?
---> '''Lister:''' Yeah!
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''heavy pause'') I will tell you something that will probably ''stun you rigid''.
---> '''Lister:''' What?
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''quickly'') You're right, I don't like you.
---> '''Rimmer:''' Don't I?
---> '''Lister:''' No!
---> '''Rimmer:''' Fine. (''sits silently, fuming'')
---> '''Lister:''' (''uncertainly'') ...You don't, though, do you? You don't even like me.
---> '''Rimmer:''' That's what you think, is it?
---> '''Lister:''' Yeah!
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''heavy pause'') I will tell you something that will probably ''stun you rigid''.
---> '''Lister:''' What?
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''quickly'') You're right, I don't like you.
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*** This also echoes how in "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonIConfidenceAndParanonia Confidence and Paranoia]]", Lister goes looking through Kochanski's dream recorder, and proudly tells Rimmer that she had three dreams about him, saying:
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*** This also echoes how in "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonIConfidenceAndParanonia "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonIConfidenceAndParanoia Confidence and Paranoia]]", Lister goes looking through Kochanski's dream recorder, and proudly tells Rimmer that she had three dreams about him, saying:
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** In "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonDemonsAndAngels Demons and Angels]]", you have Rimmer's 'low' self threatening to 'have' Lister. And considering that their low selves are made up of the worst parts of them, might there be some elements of this in the real Rimmer?
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** In "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonDemonsAndAngels "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVDemonsAndAngels Demons and Angels]]", you have Rimmer's 'low' self threatening to 'have' Lister. And considering that their low selves are made up of the worst parts of them, might there be some elements of this in the real Rimmer?
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** In "Stasis Leak", there's the bunk scene where Rimmer finds out that Lister intends to stay back in the past with Kochanski. First he reacts almost like it's a romantic breakup: "What about me?! I've given you the best years of my death!" Then there's this whole exchange that makes Rimmer sound like a {{Tsundere}} right up until the punchline:
---> '''Lister:''' Where are you coming from, Rimmer? You don't even like me!
---> '''Rimmer:''' Don't I?
---> '''Lister:''' No!
---> '''Rimmer:''' Fine. (''sits silently, fuming'')
---> '''Lister:''' (''uncertainly'') ...You don't, though, do you? You don't even like me.
---> '''Rimmer:''' That's what you think, is it?
---> '''Lister:''' Yeah!
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''heavy pause'') I will tell you something that will probably ''stun you rigid''.
---> '''Lister:''' What?
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''quickly'') You're right, I don't like you.
---> '''Lister:''' Where are you coming from, Rimmer? You don't even like me!
---> '''Rimmer:''' Don't I?
---> '''Lister:''' No!
---> '''Rimmer:''' Fine. (''sits silently, fuming'')
---> '''Lister:''' (''uncertainly'') ...You don't, though, do you? You don't even like me.
---> '''Rimmer:''' That's what you think, is it?
---> '''Lister:''' Yeah!
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''heavy pause'') I will tell you something that will probably ''stun you rigid''.
---> '''Lister:''' What?
---> '''Rimmer:''' (''quickly'') You're right, I don't like you.
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* In ''Back in the Red'', Rimmer complains about a prank of Lister's when Rimmer fell asleep naked after too much to drink and Lister took a polaroid photo of his penis, drew a face on it and stuck it on the bulletin board under Missing Persons, "Believed to be a French movie star". Lister responds that it doesn't really look like a French film star because it's "way too good looking". This is probably intended to be a dig at the French, but the flip side is - Lister just complimented Rimmer's penis.
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** The whole of "Blue" is one big ho yay-athon between these two, with Lister sulking for the whole episode because he misses Rimmer and at one point having a dream about making out with Rimmer. It's also notable that this comes just one episode after he defensively told Kochanski that he's not gay, not even a little bit.
*** This also echoes how in Confidence and Paranoia, Lister goes looking through Kochanski's dream recorder, and proudly tells Rimmer that she had 3 dreams about him, saying:
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** The whole of "Blue" "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIIBlue Blue]]" is one big ho yay-athon between these two, with Lister sulking for the whole episode because he misses Rimmer and at one point having a dream about making out with Rimmer. It's also notable that this comes just one episode after he defensively told Kochanski that he's not gay, not even a little bit.
*** This also echoes how in "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonIConfidenceAndParanonia Confidence andParanoia, Paranoia]]", Lister goes looking through Kochanski's dream recorder, and proudly tells Rimmer that she had 3 three dreams about him, saying:
*** This also echoes how in "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonIConfidenceAndParanonia Confidence and
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** In "Demons and Angels", you have Rimmer's 'low' self threatening to 'have' Lister. And considering that their low selves are made up of the worst parts of them, might there be some elements of this in the real Rimmer?
** In "Demons and Angels", you have Rimmer's 'low' self threatening to 'have' Lister. And considering that their low selves are made up of the worst parts of them, might there be some elements of this in the real Rimmer?
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*** A comment from Kryten in Back to Earth ''Recap/RedDwarfBackToEarth'' suggests that everything imagined - hallucinations, dreams, or otherwise - continues on as an alternate universe somewhere. It's used to imply that we ourselves are an alternate universe alongside Red Dwarf, ''Red Dwarf'', but considering the Lister/Rimmer dream that Lister has ...
** In"Demons "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonDemonsAndAngels Demons and Angels", Angels]]", you have Rimmer's 'low' self threatening to 'have' Lister. And considering that their low selves are made up of the worst parts of them, might there be some elements of this in the real Rimmer?
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** In "Terrorform", "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVTerrorform Terrorform]]", part of Lister's attempts to convince (the temporarily-solid) Rimmer that he cares about him involves putting his hand on Rimmer's leg, Rimmer looks shocked by this but not in a negative way. He only reacts negatively when Kryten (who presumably doesn't understand what a hand on the thigh means and is just copying what he sees) does the same thing.
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** In "Beyond a Joke", Kryten is in a mood because Lister would rather spend time with the Cat and Kochanski in the AR suite than celebrate their anniversary (actually the five year anniversary since they rescued him from the Nova 5, but still...).
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** In "Duct Soup", "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIIDuctSoup Duct Soup]]", he is jealous because he thinks Lister likes Kochanski more than him.
** In"Beyond "[[Recap/RedDwarfSeasonVIIBeyondAJoke Beyond a Joke", Joke]]", Kryten is in a mood because Lister would rather spend time with the Cat and Kochanski in the AR suite than celebrate their anniversary (actually the five year anniversary since they rescued him from the Nova 5, but still...).).
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*** In the same episode, we see Rimmer and Lister's high selves expressing their affection for each other, in the same flowerey language of the highs:
---> '''High Lister''': 'Have I told you today how much I love thee, brother? How much my heart glimmers like a new born star when I gaze upon thine beauteous countenance?'
---> '''High Rimmer''': 'Thy love refreshes and cleanses me like a babbling mountain stream, brother.'
*** This could just be the highs being the highs, however, it's noteworthy that it is specifically High Lister and High Rimmer who share this moment...
---> '''High Lister''': 'Have I told you today how much I love thee, brother? How much my heart glimmers like a new born star when I gaze upon thine beauteous countenance?'
---> '''High Rimmer''': 'Thy love refreshes and cleanses me like a babbling mountain stream, brother.'
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*** This also echoes how in Confidence and Paranoia, Lister goes looking through Kochanski's dream recorder, and proudly tells Rimmer that she had 3 dreams about him, saying:
---> '''Lister''': 'It must mean something. You don't dream about someone you don't feel something for.'
---> '''Lister''': 'It must mean something. You don't dream about someone you don't feel something for.'
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** The subtext pretty much became canon by the end of the show.
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*** There's basically no other possible way you can interpret this.
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*** Even looked at in a non-slashy way, there's some interesting psychological stuff going on there. Both are so terrified of being alone that they choose to keep someone else in constant close proximity even when that someone drives them up the wall.
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** Lister apparently got a tattoo declaring his love for Petersen whilst drunk.
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** In "Terrorform", part of Lister's attempts to convince (the temporarily-solid) Rimmer that he cares about him involves putting his hand on Rimmer's leg, Rimmer looks shocked by this but not in a negative way. He only reacts negatively when Kryten (who presumably doesn't understand what a hand on the thigh means and is just copying what he sees) does the same thing.
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** The subtext pretty much became canon by the end of the show.
** The fact that the two of them continue to share a bunk room even though they have the run of the whole ship is very telling.
** The whole of "Blue" is one big ho yay-athon between these two, with Lister sulking for the whole episode because he misses Rimmer. At one point, Lister has a dream of himself making out with Rimmer.
** In "Demons and Angels", you have Rimmer's 'low' self threatening to 'have' Lister. And considering that their low selves are made up of the worst parts of them, might there be some elements of this in the real Rimmer?
** Rimmer taking on Lister's ex-girlfriend's form:
---> '''Rimmer''': 'It's Kochanski's body, it's Kochanski's voice. I mean, what's the difference? Come on!'
* Lister/Petersen:
** These two don't share much screen time, but they do get a very close hug and a kiss on the lips in "Stasis Leak".
* Kryten sometimes acts like he has a bit of a crush on Lister.
** At one point, he says he loves Lister.
** In "Duct Soup", he is jealous because he thinks Lister likes Kochanski more than him.
** In "Beyond a Joke", Kryten is in a mood because Lister would rather spend time with the Cat and Kochanski in the AR suite than celebrate their anniversary (actually the five year anniversary since they rescued him from the Nova 5, but still...).
** The subtext pretty much became canon by the end of the show.
** The fact that the two of them continue to share a bunk room even though they have the run of the whole ship is very telling.
** The whole of "Blue" is one big ho yay-athon between these two, with Lister sulking for the whole episode because he misses Rimmer. At one point, Lister has a dream of himself making out with Rimmer.
** In "Demons and Angels", you have Rimmer's 'low' self threatening to 'have' Lister. And considering that their low selves are made up of the worst parts of them, might there be some elements of this in the real Rimmer?
** Rimmer taking on Lister's ex-girlfriend's form:
---> '''Rimmer''': 'It's Kochanski's body, it's Kochanski's voice. I mean, what's the difference? Come on!'
* Lister/Petersen:
** These two don't share much screen time, but they do get a very close hug and a kiss on the lips in "Stasis Leak".
* Kryten sometimes acts like he has a bit of a crush on Lister.
** At one point, he says he loves Lister.
** In "Duct Soup", he is jealous because he thinks Lister likes Kochanski more than him.
** In "Beyond a Joke", Kryten is in a mood because Lister would rather spend time with the Cat and Kochanski in the AR suite than celebrate their anniversary (actually the five year anniversary since they rescued him from the Nova 5, but still...).