!!Admiral James T. Kirk
[[folder: General Order Twelve]]
* Why did Kirk decide to be an idiot and not raise shields when they first encountered the ''Reliant''? Khan and Joachim even made a point of being amazed that he ''didn't'' raise shields. Presumably, this is what Saavik was going to tell Kirk to do before Spock interrupted her, especially considering Kirk later told her "you can go right on quoting regulations". So... what was Kirk thinking?
** Joachim is amazed. Khan isn't surprised at all, since they are, after all, a vessel from the same Federation. Also note the regulation is never quoted and may not have been shields-up, but possibly just a yellow alert, more cautious posture, etc.
** Yellow Alert raises the shields but does not charge the phaser banks like red alert.
*** But in the film, you can see Sulu (I believe) activating the phasers at the activation of the yellow alert. It would seem like an policy odd to acknowledge that there was enough of a threat to charge the weapons, but not enough to activate shields.
** I think it was supposed to be an example of Kirk's humanity (i.e. his arrogance/hubris), and his over confidence that go them in a bad situation.
*** It's a shame, too - it's not as if he has anything to gain by NOT raising the shields, why take the risk?
*** ''Reliant'' and ''Enterprise'' are both Federation ships. Yes, ''Reliant'' is behaving strangely, but what kind of trouble will Kirk & crew be in if ''Reliant'' was just having comm troubles and ''Enterprise'' reacted like it was a hostile? Kirk had no reason to believe ''Reliant'' had been hijacked, and he had a ship full of rookies.
*** Except Kirk knew that Commander, ''Reliant'' had just lied to him. It only took Spock seconds to confirm that the ship's "chambers coil"-- the component that they claimed was damaged--was working properly. Whoever was in command of ''Reliant'' lied to a Starfleet flag officer, was not responding correctly to ''Enterprise's'' challenges, and was avoiding visual communication. Factor in the frantic, agitated call from Carol Marcus (the leader of the project ''Reliant'' was attached to), the fact that she was inexplicably cut off mid-call, and Kirk not being able to call her back, and it seems like Kirk missed several ''huge'' red flags.
*** I would say that whatever the state of the ''Reliant'', the fact remains that the ''Reliant'' did raise her shields. This basically means one of three things: 1. The ''Reliant'' intends to attack. 2. The ''Reliant'' is responding to some threat the ''Enterprise'' is not aware of, possibly one that could threaten both ships. 3. It was a malfunction, which means you are dealing a well-armed Federation starship that is, at the very least, not in full control of its systems if not outright compromised by a computer virus/saboteur/etc. In any of these cases, raising the shields is fully justified as a precautionary measure.
*** The ''Reliant'' only raised shields just before attacking, and Kirk did give the order to raise the shields as soon as Spock reported the ''Reliant'' was doing so - it was just too late.
*** Actually, it was even worse than that. Kirk didn't order shields up until ''Reliant'' had actually locked its weapons on ''Enterprise''.
*** Just having re-watched the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWnTY7OVU8w scene in question]] and Kirk does order a defensive posture -he calls for a general alert and has "defense screens" energized (we even have a spiffy graphic showing that something is reinforcing the hull compartments)- even before the Reliant lies about the coils. There is no indication at that point the Reliant is intending to attack, but Kirk ''is'' already taking precautions and having Spock scan the ship for explanations. Then immediately before attack Khan raises shields and locks phasers, at which point Kirk orders exactly the same. In hindsight it is a miscalculation, but his actions were a judgement call based on available evidence and it wasn't as unreasonable as is made out. He's not sitting around doing nothing, he is taking a defensive posture and looking for explanations.
** Because he made, by his own admission a few minutes later, a catastrophic moronic total newbie mistake. Maybe he'd been off the bridge and driving a desk too long and lost his old instincts for when a situation has gone bad, maybe he was just having an off day. The most professional people make mistakes from time to time, and in certain professions (soldier, heart surgeon, airline pilot, etc) those mistakes can lead to a lot of people getting killed needlessly.
*** "Wonderful stuff, that [[HangoverSensitivity Romulan Ale."]]
*** In the game Star Trek: Starfleet Academy there is a simulation of the "Battle of the Mutara Nebula", that Captain Kirk notes ruefully is used to reinforce the need to take the proper defensive precautions when encountering a non-communicative ship he neglected in the actual incident.
*** The actual reg is "General Order 12: On the approach of any vessel, when communications have not been established...". Saavik was interrupted before completing the quotation of the order but it is implied that the ship is supposed to go to yellow alert when faced with a non-communicative ship.
*** The novel "Rules of Engagement" confirms this, and also states that a Starfleet vessel is not to fire upon a potential hostile unless fired upon first.
** On that note, what was ''Khan'' thinking? It's repeatedly pointed out that the Reliant is a glorified science vessel, a light cruiser, while the Enterprise is a ship of the line which could smash it without breaking sweat if Kirk had raised shields. So what ''was'' Khan's plan? Call up and hope Kirk doesn't notice his old crewman acting like a robot? Open fire and make like a bug on a windscreen? Sit there and let Kirk get suspicious? C'mon, Khan, you're meant to be a super-genius!
*** His plan was to take Kirk by surprise, disable the ''Enterprise'', then call him and gloat before destroying him. Which nearly worked, except for Kirk's quick thinking and Khan's eagerness to get the Genesis Device.
*** Khan didn't know Starfleet ships could log into other ship's computers and screw with their system; if he had known that (or thought to ask one of his brainwashed slaves) he would have won the day easily. Besides, even ignoring that I think you're overstating the case-- the Reliant seems more than able to hold its own, even when both she and Enterprise are equally damaged and under-manned.
** Khan expected he would have total surprise on Kirk. It's not like Kirk was expecting him to suddenly turn up.
*** Khan couldn't have done the former of those -- Chekov and Terrell were imprisoned on ''Regula One'' by that point.
*** Also, remember that, as Spock puts it, Khan is using "two-dimensional thinking," i.e., navigating his ship as if on an ocean instead of in a weightless vacuum. From this we can infer that Khan, whatever his strengths, is no tactician. Khan is also blinded by his desire for revenge, in keeping with the ''Literature/MobyDick'' theme of the movie, which would have further dulled his instincts.
*** Khan's a tactician, his problem is that all his tactical experience is in terrestrial warfare. He's navigating like he's on an ocean because he probably has experience in aquatic combat. Take a great tactician whose specialty is, say, tanks in the desert, and then put him in charge of an aircraft carrier group, he'd probably flounder a fair bit too.
** According to Memory Alpha specifications of the USS ''Reliant'', it has six dual phaser banks and twin forward and aft torpedo launchers. Not exactly under-equipped when it comes to weaponry. Khan probably assumed he could match wits tactically with Kirk, or give him a good run for his money at least. Besides, he was out for REVENGE - that hardly puts you in the most objective state of mind. He wanted to hurt Kirk - and he succeeded.
** [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste I think Kirk's failure with raising shields was done on purpose.]] Throughout the whole film, Kirk is mourning over how much he's past his prime as a commanding officer. It's this failure, and realizing Khan was responsible, that makes him pull himself together to stop Khan and his followers for good.
** Also, [[TheUnreveal we never find out what precisely General Order 12 says]]. For all anyone knows, it might've said something along the lines of "the ship should go to Yellow Alert, and ready ship's defense systems."
** The Reliant is a Miranda class starship. The Memory Alpha article understates the actual abilities and role of the class. Various sources and games clearly show the class rated as a medium cruiser. In a straight fight the Enterprise has the advantage, but Khan could reasonably assume that the element of surprise would make the odds at least even.
*** If you think about it, the real question is why this mini-tank of a starship is running around scanning lifeless planets? It seems like a job better suited for a dedicated science vessel like ''[[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock USS Grissom]]''.
*** That's likely ''why'' they developed the ''Oberth''-class in the first place. They could simply have had none available at the time.
*** The USS Reliant seemed to be attached to Regula One, where Genesis was being tested, and due to the nature of the project Starfleet wanted a ship that wouldn't draw attention (like the Constitution class) but could actually defend the project--and based on what we saw in Star Trek III, the Oberth class had no chance of doing that.
*** The real reason we didn't see an Oberth class is the fact that the model hadn't been built yet. Didn't help that ILM allegedly hated the idea of doing a Connie-on-Connie battle because the TMP Enterprise was hard to use--not to mention Nicholas Meyer decided that it would be hard to tell the ships apart.
*** An in-universe explanation could be that a cruiser, like the ''Miranda''-Class, is considerably faster than a survey/science ship like the ''Oberth''-Class. The ''Nova''-class, Starfleet's state-of-the-art science ship of a century later has a top speed of warp factor 6, as established in [[Series/StarTrekVoyager VOY]]: ''Equinox''. Since numerous Mirandas take part in fleet operations in [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]--also set around a century later--they would have to have a high enough cruising speed to keep up with that era's capitol ships. Project Genesis required a ship fast enough to survey several planets in several different star systems in a reasonable amount of time, and that's something an Oberth probably couldn't do.
** In fairness, the primary mission of Starfleet has always been scientific exploration. That's why in Star Trek VI, the battleship ''Excelsior'' has been busy cataloguing gaseous spacial anomalies for an extended period of time, and the battlecruiser ''Enterprise'' has been seen handling so many minor science missions throughout TOS, rather than defending Federation territory.
*** Starfleet seems to seek a balance between scientific endeavors and exploration, and deterrence. So they built JackOfAllStats ships that can do the peaceful scholar routine, and quickly retask to dealing with uppity Klingon and Romulan interlopers. As was later lampshaded in ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'', the Federation is BewareTheNiceOnes made manifest as an interstellar society. Their dealings with alien races similarly is heavily laden with carrot-and-stick politics, where they offer peace and enlightenment, from the bridges of their heavily armed starships, allowing them to negotiate from a strong position.
** Also of note is that while Starfleet ships seem to pack far more weapons than, say, Klingon battlecruisers or Romulan warbirds, both of those races tend to pack their weapons in the front for attacking, while the Starfleet ships have numerous weapons laid out to cover their flanks, allowing them to be much more defensive in tactics (and to fire cool broadsides as if they were in a HoratioHornblower [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]] movie, which was [[WordOfGod entirely what they had in mind making this movie.]]

*Why exactly does Kirk go ballistic (KHAAAANNNNN!!!) when Khan leaves him and the others stranded? He already had an escape plan in place and he knew he just had to wait. I can understand faking a little so Khan wouldn't suspect, but come on!
** Kirk was probably just really mad at Khan for all of the horrible things he did to him and those close to him. After seeing all of the people Khan tortured and killed, having to hear him gloat probably just made Kirk snap.
*** Kirk [[BatmanGambit wanted Khan to think he had won]]. And what better way to bait Khan into thinking that then by convincing him that he had caused the nerves-of-steel Captain Kirk to [[FreakOut completely lose his shit?]]. Acting all cool like he had a plan would be the ''worst'' thing Kirk could have done short of just telling Khan that the Enterprise would be back to pick him up in a few hours.
*** The important thing to remember is that Kirk was acting at that point. He knew that his away team would be rescued, because Spock had already sent him the awkwardly-worded coded message. He needed Khan to think that he had dealt Kirk a finishing blow, and Shatner-level overacting was the key to that.
*** Of course you have to ask yourself what Saavik, [=McCoy=], Chekov, David and Carol were thinking at this point. Kirk deliberately kept his plan a secret (for some reason) and as such they had all just watched their seasoned battle hardened Admiral completely buckle under the pressure; couldn't have been good for their morale. Although [=McCoy=] and Chekov admittedly ''could'' have realized what was happening being both experienced officers and close comrades.
*** Plus in David and Carol's case, they would have been just plain confused about what the heck is going on. Especially David, look at it from his perspective. David was under the impression that Kirk was responsible for the massacre of the scientists and intended to seize Genesis. Then suddenly some guy named Khan calls in and tells Terrell to kill Kirk. Terrell then talks about trying to obey and then kills himself. Then Chekov passes out and some weird creature crawls out of his ear, which is destroyed. Then Khan takes Genesis and Kirk tells him that Khan wanted him. Then Khan says that he's marooning Kirk just as Kirk did to him. Then Kirk screams Khan's name. David is probably completely baffled about this turn of events.
*** A few moments later, Kirk is totally cool-headed and giving out orders. Probably clued everybody else in to the fact that things were not as bad as they appeared. Kirk's long-time comrades also know that any time Jim Kirk starts acting totally out of his head, it's because he's running a longer game than the immediate moment and acting like he's lost it is his way of throwing people off the scent.
*** Or he's had his mind switched with a former girlfriend. Or replaced by an android duplicate. Or split into two by the transporter...
*** It's still possible that he really was angry and frustrated that Khan would just keep on going killing and most likely intended to go on to finish off the Enterprise. So if anything, he is at least letting out his aggression.

[[folder: Kirk’s Tactics]]
* Does anyone else think that Kirk committed yet another tactical error during the nebula battle, by holding course ''after'' giving away his position, not making ''any'' evasive maneuvers, and risking a counter-attack (which actually happened) or even collision?
** I'd also point out that the evasive maneuver he ''does'' order is a banking turn to starboard, maximizing the area of '' Enterprise's '' hull exposed to the '' Reliant's '' weapons. Kirk virtually guaranteed that even without targeting sensors, Khan would score a hit.

!! Captain Spock
[[folder: Spock’s Funeral]]
* How come, only Spock gets the glorious funeral? Didn't a whole lot of other crewman, including Scotty's nephew, die in the fighting against Khan? If they would have shot all those people onto the Genesis planet, they all would have been resurrected like Spock, and Scotty could have brought his nephew home alive. All in all, the Genesis device (like the transporter) is yet another Trek gizmo that can only bring certain people back to life, and then its resurrection powers are swept under the table, rather than shown for the society altering device that it really is. Think about it: Fire the Genesis device over a graveyard.....
** [[ZombieApocalypse I can't think of a single thing that could go wrong]].
** Why would you want to do that? The resurrected Spock was mindless.
** I don't think they knew the Genesis Planet would resurrect Spock.
** Again, nothing says there weren't. However, it would have rather dissipated the emotion of Spock's death to have a montage of standard regulation services before or after it...in other words, RuleOfDrama. And, in the novelization, it's mentioned that the torpedo-coffin was redirected to land softly instead of burning up (presumably like the others), by Saavik.
*** This. Spock's funeral was the only one that was relevant to the plot.
** They probably brought the humans' bodies home to Earth for burial. Being shot into space was presumably Spock's own stated funeral preference, kept on file along with his will, as he was the son of two worlds and space was really more "home" to him than Vulcan. Aiming the coffin/torpedo at the nascent Genesis planet was a romantic touch that Kirk felt was appropriate, given Spock's role in creating the place.
** Officers always get fancier funerals. Look at the news a few years back. A dead butterbar gets mentioned on national news, but an enlisted is lucky if he gets mentioned in the local paper.
** Spock wasn't just an officer, he was the cadets' long time instructor and TheCaptain of that ship, one who stepped aside for Kirk, admittedly, but if ANYONE of that crew deserved a full honors funeral, it would be him.
*** And, really, of the dozens of {{Red Shirt}}s we've seen die, not a one got a funeral.
** Because Spock's the character the audience most cared about and was emotionally invested in. In-universe, they probably did get their own send-offs and emotional farewells from their friends and loved ones. But the filmmakers didn't show us them because they reasoned, not entirely unreasonably or irrationally, that the audience wouldn't really give too much of a shit about seeing Red Shirt #2214985's heartrending send-off, while they ''would'' care about Spock's.
** In addition to being pretty much commanding officer but for Kirk, let's not forget he's basically made the HeroicSacrifice that saved the ship at the end of the day. His death counted for something over and above the (admittedly tragic, but meaningless) deaths of the assorted cadets/crew.
** It's actually a lampshaded in the next movie, Spock's dad wants to know why the hell they didn't bring his body back to Vulcan and doesn't really get a good answer.

[[folder: Spock’s Resting Place]]
* Okay, I know the "real" reason (to set up the plot of Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock), but why exactly did they leave Spock's body on the Genesis planet in the first place? I know Kirk's spiel about "giving his life" to save the new world was supposed to be an explanation, but that really doesn't make any sense, either (especially since said "world" didn't really exist at the time Spock sacrificed himself). And while he didn't know about the ''katra'' and thus couldn't have known Spock could be saved, didn't Kirk think that MAYBE Sarek and Amanda would have appreciated the chance to bury and properly mourn their only child back on his home planet? As for Spock's wishes, somehow I doubt "just dump me on the nearest rock and move on" was part of his final resting plans. RuleOfDrama or not, this has always bugged the hell out of me.
** The other structural reason is to provide the closure for Spock's death without having to vault forward in time long enough to have a funeral on Vulcan. Narratively, I would agree that it doesn't make a lot of sense.
*** I have to disagree. From a character perspective, it makes sense that Spock would want to be "dumped on the nearest rock". First, funeral rites are highly illogical, and I doubt Vulcans are overly concerned about such things. Speculation aside, though, Spock's relationship with his father is strained, to say the least, because Spock struggled to control his emotions his entire life (and Sarek, being a high-ranking Vulcan, didn't need or want a problem child). His relationship with Amanda is better, but is also strained, because of his emotional restraint (and I'd guess there's a healthy dose of shame involved for him, because he loves her). Even if you set that aside, Spock's first devotion was to duty. It would be extremely inconvenient to force Enterprise back to Vulcan to deliver his body, and disrupting the mission in death is the last thing he'd want. YMMV.
*** Whether funeral rites are illogical are not, the Vulcans ''do'' care about them. We know this from the next movie. Vulcan society is highly ceremonial and ritualistic.
*** I believe this is already addressed further up the page. No, I'm sure "Dump me on the nearest rock" wasn't the exact final wish Spock had on file, but I see no reason not to believe that "In the event of my death in the line of duty, I wish to be buried in space" ''was'' on file. His coffin landing on the Genesis planet was probably due to someone adding their own bit of all-too-human sentimentality to the proceedings. (Also keep in mind that originally, this was ''not'' done with setting up ''Star Trek III'' in mind; the original intention was that Spock would die for real, since Leonard Nimoy didn't want to continue with the role due to some disagreements with Paramount.)
*** Makes one wonder if Spock's file registered the desire have his body disposed of the Starfleet way rather than the Vulcan way. In other words, "continue to stick it to Sarek even though I'm dead"!
*** The coffin surviving its landing was explained by David in the next movie. "The gravitational fields were in flux, it must have soft landed." Translation: with the planet still in its formative stage, there was enough instability to its gravity and atmosphere to allow the coffin to make it through without burning up and land without appreciable damage from the impact.
*** The novelization of ''Search for Spock'' (and partially started in the ''Wrath of Khan'' novelization) offers the following explanation: Spock had it in his will that were he to die in the line of duty, he was to be committed to space. When Sarek shows up chastising Kirk, that's what Kirk tells him. However, they figure out that Spock knew that if he did see death coming and had enough time for the katra transfer, that part of the transfer process was basically instructions overriding his will. What he didn't count on was [=McCoy=] having an adverse reaction and not properly receiving the message. As for the coffin landing, that is explained by Saavik disobeying Kirk's order. Kirk ordered a trajectory that would have the coffin burn up upon entry in to the atmosphere. Saavik decided Spock would rather his body be part of the new world, so altered the course so the wave would rearrange his molecules. The wave was still active, but instead regenerated the body instead of integrating it.

!! Commander Montgomery Scott
[[folder: Taking the Scenic Route to Sickbay]]
* Why in the name of everything that's holy did Scotty take his dying nephew to the bridge and not directly to Sick Bay?
** In the novelization, Kirk and Spock leave the bridge to check the damage in Engineering, and run into Scotty with his dying nephew part of the way there. Presumably, this was thought to take too much screen time, so Scotty showing up on the bridge was used instead (even if it makes no sense). Alternately, Scotty has got to be pretty distraught at the time, to the point where maybe he pushed the wrong button in the elevator...?
** RuleOfDrama. Kirk says "[[TemptingFate Let's see how badly we've been hurt.]]", and whaddya know, Scotty shows up with his dying nephew. Cue OhCrap reactions by Kirk and company.
** The ship was heavily damaged. Scotty may have had to take the turbolift to the bridge before he could go back down to sickbay.
*** That's how the {{Novelization}} explains Scotty's arrival on the bridge: he wasn't able to reach sickbay from engineering.
*** WebSite/SFDebris speculated that this might have been the original scene where Spock died, and when it was changed they changed which character did what to attempt to keep the emotional impact.
*** He also jokingly suggested a far less likely, but infinitely more amusing explanation: Scotty was [[DrinkingOnDuty shit-faced]].
--->'''Scotty''': He's badly hurt, so I brought him up here to Sick Bay!\\
'''Kirk''': This... This is ''the Bridge'', Scotty.\\
'''Scotty''': And then I'm headin' back down to finish ''[[{{Spoonerism}} drinkin']] ''the engines! ...I-I mean, repairing the ''[[FreudianSlipperySlope scotch]]''! Er...[-crap.-].

!! Commander Pavel Chekov
[[folder: That Can’t Be Healthy]]
* So is Chekov [[OrificeInvasion deaf in one ear]] forever or what?
** Probably not: [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perforation_of_the_eardrum eardrums heal]], and it's unlikely to be something 23rd-century medicine can't just replace anyway.
** Just chewing through the eardrum wouldn't be enough for the eel to reach his cranial cavity, however. It must've gnawed its way through the temporal bone from the middle ear cavity, too, which probably ''would'' destroy Chekhov's hearing and sense of balance on that side.
* Why the hell is Chekov even alive? Even in the 23rd Century, it's kinda hard not to die when a worm the size of a mouse eats out your brain.
** Well, that's a stated fact, it's what happened to Khan's wife. That said, they got the thing out of his head before it grew to that state. [[Series/BabylonFive Maybe he psychically forced it to vacate?]]
** The Ceti eel doesn't ''eat'' the brain; its larvae cluster ''around'' the brain's surface (cerebral cortex). That would place it in the subarachnoid space, feeding off the host's cerebrospinal fluid and/or blood. Its presence would apply pressure to the brain's surface as it grew, causing cortical degeneration and eventual death by compression of the medulla oblongata into the foramen magnum, but it wasn't inside Chekhov's skull for more than a few days and didn't have time to get much bigger.

[[folder: Eavesdropping]]
* Kirk and Dr. Marcus have a frank discussion about David, revealing (to the audience) that David is Kirk's son. Throughout it all, Chekov, who has been stated to be "coming to" and is holding a cloth to his ear. So is Chekov listening to the whole conversation and probably thinking how very awkward that is?
** Either that or he's too concentrated on thinking "don't throw up...don't throw up...don't throw up..." to realize Kirk is having a heart-to-heart with an old flame. He did just have a mind-controlling bug crawl out of his ear after all.
** Chekov just had a giant bug untangle itself from his cerebral cortex (according to Khan) and crawl out his ear. It's astounding that he's alive at all--I don't think eavesdropping and memory-retention were realistic goals for him at the time.
** Speaking of which, why ''did'' the ceti eel crawl out of his ear at that time? Could Chekov resist Khan because the eel had never attached itself to his brain properly? Surly it didn't leave just because Chekov wouldn't kill Kirk. . .did it?
*** WebSite/SFDebris in his review gives an explanation which sounds fairly plausible: The other ceti eel tried to force the other Starfleet guy to act against his morals, and he ended up shooting himself with a phaser, killing both. The eel in Chekov could sense this and learned from it, and when it reached a similar situation with him resisting, it decided to leave rather than risk the same fate.

[[folder: How Do You Lose a Planet?]]
* Wait, so the entire reason this all happened is because Chekov thought he was beaming down to Ceti Alpha VI but got a faceful of KHAN instead and wasn't on guard for it. But... if Ceti Alpha V's ecosystem was messed up by CA ''VI'' exploding, why did the entire crew of the ''Reliant'' think that the planet was the ''sixth''? Shouldn't that only mess up the count from the "seventh" planet on? Couldn't anyone count the planets from the star and notice one was missing and one was not as it should be according to the very star charts Kirk filed? PlotHole! But this movie is so good, [[MST3KMantrayou shouldn't care]].
** The Ceti Alpha system appears to have only had six planets to begin with; it's the ''only'' plausible explanation for the Reliant crew missing the freaking obvious. Still, it's not so much FridgeLogic as it is the IdiotBall from '''hell'''...
** Well still a goof of grandest IdiotBall proportions, if the system only had 6 planets to start with, it IS possible they just parked at the one furthest from the sun and assumed it was the sixth one.
** They spend paragraphs trying to explain this away in the EU novel "To Rule In Hell". The Ceti Alpha system was way out in the sticks and nobody had been there since Kirk, ''Reliant'' approached from the outside of the system and assumed the outermost planet was Ceti Alpha VI, Kirk's logs weren't shared with the Genesis Project crew, and Chekov had forgotten about Khan in the intervening years until they found the ''Botany Bay''.
** I always just assumed that Ceti Alpha V was where they were expecting Ceti Alpha VI would be and as a result never bothered to check the rest of the system. Pure laziness as a result of trust in their star charts.
** I always assumed that there were more than six planets. Could be seven, eight or ten. Six blows up, so that leaves one less planet. Six, seven or nine. And Khan said that the orbit was messed up (explaining why the planet looked different than when Khan was dropped off in "Space Seed") and one can infer that this means the orbit is no longer what it was. Perhaps the explosion knocked the planet in such a way that Ceti Alpha V was now on the ''other'' side of Ceti Alpha VII. And so, it would appear to be Ceti Alpha VI, as Ceti Alpha VII would appear to be Ceti Alpha V.
*** If the orbit got elliptical VI and VII might switch places in "distance from sun" in part of their respective orbits. While Pluto still was a planet it did so with Neptune.
** Maybe Ceti Alpha isn't a single system, but a cluster of ''stars'' numbered from I to VII, and the Reliant was in wrong star system. Although you'd expect ''someone'' would have noticed a star was missing...
** It's also possible that after months of "Standard Orbit...scan the planet...there's something there...ok, next planet..." the routine got really boring and somebody fell asleep at the starcharts.
** For what it's worth, the novelization says that the Ceti Alpha system had ''20'' planets.
** Solar systems are ''big''. From Earth orbit, all the other planets are little dots indistinguishable from stars. If you went to where Mars was supposed to be and found a planet that fit the description, would you travel millions of miles through space just to make sure it's really the fourth planet? Even if you ''did'' do that, you could ''still'' come up one planet short just because the planets aren't usually in a straight line and one of them could be on the other side of the sun.
*** In the novelization, the crew of the Reliant notice that there are only 19 rather than the 20 planets that there are supposed to be, but chalk it up to inaccurate data. It would still mean that they are going to the 5th planet from the sun, Ceti Alpha V.

[[folder: Just Lie to Him]]
* Chekhov's reluctance to tell Khan why he and Terrell were on Ceti Alpha led to Khan using the Ceti eel to make them talk. So when asked as to what Chekhov and Terrell they were doing there, why didn't they feed Khan some story or half-truth like "we're here on a routine survey" or "we have orders to explore this system"?
** Actually Khan probably would have used the eels on them anyway, in order to capture their ship more easily. Lying would have just postponed the inevitable for a few minutes.
*** Yes, but neither Chekhov nor the captain knew about the eel, so this doesn't explain their reluctance. They could even tell them most of the truth, e.g., "We detected life on this planet and are checking it out."
*** Chekov knows from the last time that Khan will want to capture their ship, and will proceed to some form of torture as soon as they stop cooperating, so lying isn't going to help his situation - perhaps he even hopes to goad Khan into starting a long interrogation by torture by staying silent. That would give the ''Reliant'' time to get suspicious and send down another landing party. Unfortunately Chekov didn't know about the eels.
*** Only one problem; Chekov wasn't in the episode where they find Khan and his crew.
*** They both recognize each other, and Chekov talks about what happened in the episode, so even though Chekov didn't appear on screen in the TV episode in the context of the movie he was there. (He must have been standing BehindTheBlack.)

!! Lieutenant Saavik
[[folder: Saavik’s Rule-Fu]]

* Saavik, you can quote the entire Starfleet reg book from memory, and you throw a fit because Spock used a content-sensitive code in a situation where regulations ''demanded'' he encode his message?
** I'd hardly call, "You lied." to be throwing a fit, even by Vulcan standards. Recall the witty retorts between Spock and Valeris in ST:VI as they accuse the other of lying to stall for time. I'd assume it's a game Vulcans play with each other since honesty is exceptionally important in their culture (logic only works if the data you're given is true) yet they understand that it's necessary to lie if duty demands it.
*** In Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry, however, we learn that a Vulcan throws a fit, they do it so subtly that even other Vulcans might not notice. Pay attention to the scene in Spock's quarters, one of the characters is on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
** I thought that the line "You lied" simply meant that she was ''impressed'' that Spock managed to lie so convincingly. Lying must be pretty hard for Vulcans.

!!Khan Noonien Singh
[[folder: Where was the Botany Bay headed anyway?]]
* Khan seems to have a tremendous persecution complex in that he feels that everything bad that has happened to him is somehow Kirk's fault. But Khan and his fellow Augments lost the Eugenics Wars and fled Earth in the ''S.S. Botany Bay'', a sleeper ship designed for ''interplanetary'' travel which they had instead taken off into inter''stellar'' space to escape punishment for their war crimes back on Earth. The ship does not seem to have been headed to any particular destination, and during the three centuries it was coasting along through space a dozen of the stasis chambers had already failed, killing the Augments inside.
** Where was the ''Botany Bay'' going? Given the limited knowledge of the time period in which it was launched, did they even have a specific Class M planet to which they were headed?
** Was Khan really any worse off? Odds are that had the ''Enterprise'' not found and recovered them, they would have all died off one by one (Khan included) as the stasis chambers continued to fail over the years. Even if the ''Botany Bay'' was headed for a specific destination, it probably did not have much more time to reach it as aging systems broke down. Realistically, Kirk actually saved his life!
*** That's part of the point. Khan's desire for revenge is an irrational obsession, a la ''Moby Dick''. Not only that, but judging how he quotes from ''Moby Dick'' Khan seems to know the book well enough to ''know'' he's acting like Captain Ahab but he's too angry/crazy to care.
** Most likely, the chambers were not the only part to break. Either their navigation system failed to stay on course, or the systems intended to awaken them didn't go off and they flew right ''past'' their intended target, still snoozing.

[[folder: Khan’s Tactics]]
* Why was Khan inferred to be unable to account for the third dimension in the Enterprise/Reliant battle? It is not as if there wasn't fighting involving three dimensions in 20th-century naval warfare, especially if you take into account submarines and air strikes.
** Maybe because the chess board he was left with on Ceti Alpha V wasn't a 3D chess set?
*** Look more closely - it's a ''Checkers'' set. Genius-level intellects and they play Checkers instead of Chess?
*** I find that image rather endearing... even genetically-engineered supermen might play a game that's unchallenging fun once in a while.
*** Then again, it might be FridgeBrilliance. Think about it - compared to chess, checkers favors bold, aggressive play with less of a focus on the long game... like say, hijacking a ship, trying to steal a superweapon just because it's there, and getting some revenge, with no actual long-term goal.
** Seriously though, most people who haven't directly experienced combat where the third dimension comes into play have trouble with the concept as it's not intuitive to humans, who spend most of their lives moving in two dimensions. Chances are that most of the battles Khan participated in on Earth were ground-based. As Spock says, he's intelligent, but inexperienced.

[[folder: Why did Khan Want Genesis?]]
* So what did Khan want with Genesis anyway?
** Nothing, really. He just saw an opportunity to escape into space, and draw Kirk into a battle, so he went with it.
*** But he tried to get information about it from Kirk (The stalling to "get" the information was the only thing which saved the Enterprise from being blasted to high-hell after Khan was finished gloating), he even takes time out of trying to kill Kirk in order to go to Regula 1 and steal it from them. So he obviously went out of his way to obtain it.
*** He wanted a one-hit planet-killing torpedo. The Genesis device was supposed to create life, but, as [=McCoy=] realized, it has to wipe out all existing life on a planet to do it. Khan was probably going to have his followers build a whole arsenal of them to pave the way for a new empire.
** If you're a deposed dictator who wants to get back into the business of conquering and subjugating foreign nations, wouldn't you be intrigued by the existence of something that could very easily be used as a superweapon?
** [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation It's also remotely possible]] that Khan just wanted to use Genesis to create a new home world for he and his people. Either way, the man's just a touch emotionally compromised and isn't going about any of it the best way. It does seem that he first became interested in Genesis because Admiral Kirk was in charge of the project.
** Mutually Assured Destruction doesn't hurt, either. Khan had one starship with which to evade Starfleet forever. A doomsday device wouldn't go amiss in getting them to leave you alone.
*** Especially since he apparently had a ''lot'' less than the 72 Augments he started out with. Realistically, an Augment is only a bit stronger than a Vulcan. The simple fact is that Khan did not have the means to even go back and conquer Earth, much less the entire Federation. Given his lack of experience in space combat, Khan would get creamed in an engagement against more than one starship. As it was, it was only Kirk's lack of vigilance that enabled him to nearly take ''Enterprise''. So, ground combat is out. Space combat is out. Terrorism would be his only possible weapon, offensive or defensive. Genesis provided exactly that. He might also want the bargaining chip. With as few Augments as he had left, there was not enough of a gene pool for them to become a viable species onto themselves. Khan would need to obtain genetic engineering resources (or else the Federation's secret stash of Augment embryos, if he knew of them).

[[folder: In the Original Klingon]]
* How does Khan know about Klingon proverbs? The ''Botany Bay'' was launched in the 1990's, long before first contact with the Klingons.
** Odder still, "Revenge is a dish best served cold" is a regular human proverb, dating back at least to the 1840s in French. Why would Khan, of all people, misattribute it to Klingons? Beats me.
** Maybe those Starfleet cargo carriers were packed with the Federation version of ''Encyclopedia Britannica''.
** In the Original Series episode "Space Seed", Khan is given access to the Enterprise's library files and [[WikiWalk reads a multitude of information]]. Presumably, this includes information on Klingon culture.
** I wonder if this is some sort of obscure joke on Khan's part -- one that might make sense only to him.
*** More like an obscure joke on Nicholas Meyer's part. He did it constantly in ''The Undiscovered Country''. Vulcan proverb, only Nixon could go to China. Shakespeare in the original Klingon. And even though Chekov had a habit of claiming everything as Russian, including him referencing Cinderella as a Russian fairy tale would count, too.
*** The Russian version of Cinderella (Vasilisa the Beautiful) is much cooler than the Western version. It involves the Literature/BabaYaga and a flaming skull.

[[folder: Khan Didn’t Memorize the ‘‘Whole’’ Book]]
* When the ''Reliant'' approaches, Kirk and the crew are alerted to the fact that they're about to be fired upon when the ''Reliant'' locks phasers on the ''Enterprise''. However, during Kirk's distraction scene, Sulu locks phasers onto the ''Reliant'', and Khan doesn't notice until it's too late. Was Joachim or whoever not watching the console for something like this?
** It can probably be chalked up to Khan and his crew's lack of experience in starship operations. Kirk even downright admits that the only reason they survived that first firefight was because he knew more about Starfleet ships than Khan did. Neither Khan or Joachim knew where to find ''Reliant's'' manual override, and they didn't think to change the access codes, so clearly they didn't have more than a very basic understanding of starship-to-starship combat. It's not unreasonable to assume that they didn't know enough to watch for a weapons lock.
** The ''Constitution''-class ''Enterprise'' had undergone a refit since "Space Seed". The ''Miranda''-class that ''Reliant'' belonged to didn't even exist yet! So once Khan and his minions made off with the ''Reliant'', they would have been playing catch-up based on Khan's out-of-date knowledge of the ''Enterprise''. This was in fact Khan's ''first'' engagement in starship combat! Superhuman intellect or no, there was only so much that reading the manuals could have helped him to learn. Especially since Starfleet tactical manuals were probably not written under the assumption that the reader was somebody who had stolen a starship and trying to do battle against actual Starfleet personnel in another Starfleet ship! They were bright, but they were amateurs.

[[folder: Joachim Had a Point]]
* Khan and his followers had a warp-capable, battle-ready starship at their disposal and had gotten away from the Ceti Alpha system. Why did they not just go on their way? Joachim had a point; they were free from their exile and had thwarted Captain Kirk. Did they really need to get back at Kirk and company? And don't say "because we wouldn't have a story"!
** They didn't ''need'' to, no, and as we see from Joachim, many of the followers have other plans but are still loyal to their megalomaniacal, revenge-crazed leader. The whole point of that scene is that Khan is acting irrationally, and it ultimately gets him and everyone else killed.
** Because he ''tasks'' him. He ''tasks'' him and he will have him! In other words, Khan, like Ahab was so utterly [[RevengeBeforeReason blinded by revenge]] that he couldn't look at things rationally, or even accept the rational when it's pointed out to him.
** The really sad part is that TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot because their movie had to be self-contained (and within a reasonable budget). Had [[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG]] existed at the time, having Khan's children or grandchildren pop up as masters of an augment Hegemony (after taking over whichever gangster-, Nazi- or cowboy-planet they chose) would have been an entertaining link between the eras.

[[folder: Ceti Alpha V: Fountain of Youth?]]
* This is a small and silly one, but if Khan & Co. had been marooned on Ceti Alpha V for fifteen years, why did all his crew look like they were in their late 20's at most? You could argue that their superhuman genes were behind it, but since Khan himself aged normally, that doesn't really work. Conversely, they were too old to have been born to the original crew in the intervening fifteen years.
** The expanded universe fluff mentions that the original survivors started pairing off and having children soon after they were marooned, and over the course of fifteen years most of them died from in-fighting, accidents, disease, or the Ceti Eel. As for the new ones, Khan apparently mentioned in a diary that they aged at an accelerated rate (He noted that at age 10, Joachim looked as though he were 15). It's all on the Memory Alpha wiki.
** Khan doesn't look that different from "Space Seed" except that he's wearing rugged clothing and some other cosmetic details, and that his hair is white. Might be the pressures of leadership: Look at the effect of the US Presidency on its officeholders' hair color, and none of them has ever had to guide a civilization through anything like the rigors of Ceti Alpha V.
** An easy explanation would be that they were genetically engineered to be as healthy as possible for as long as possible. In the Star Trek universe, genetic engineering can do anything, even keeping you looking twenty-five for most of your life (see: ‘’[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration TNG: Unnatural Selection]]’’).

[[folder: Khan the Trendsetter]]
* Where did Khan get the contemporary Starfleet belt buckle he was wearing as a necklace? I'm pretty sure he was wearing it before his encounter with the ''Reliant'' crew.
** The cargo container had a crate full of belt buckles?
*** Except that Starfleet Uniforms didn't have belts when Khan was marooned. It can only really be explained by "wardrobe goof".
*** I think the IDEA was that it belonged to his wife. Probably more of a "Did Not Do Research" moment.
** Perhaps a Starfleet landing party had gone down, gotten stranded, and died sometime between this and the last movie, and Khan found their bodies and took one of the belts.

[[folder: Khan's Plan to Find Kirk]]
* Why would Khan think that Kirk specifically would be on the case?
* Related to this, what was Khan's plan B if the first ship on the scene was Kirk-less?
** I can think of a couple of scenarios that don't seem particularly likely, but are at least plausible: In the first, Chekov knew about Kirk's history with Carol Marcus--possibly even knowing that David is Kirk's son--and gave that information to Khan under the influence of the Ceti eel. Khan, knowing the kind of man Kirk is, was hoping that when Carol and David disappeared Kirk would come looking for them. In the second, stealing the Genesis device was only step 1 of his plan. Realizing that he had no practical way of killing Kirk directly, he might have been planning to extract revenge by proxy; using Genesis on a populated Federation world. Kirk being aboard closest ship to the Mutara Sector was just a happy coincidence for Khan. As to what he would have done if another starship had responded first, maybe he would have ambushed that vessel like he did ''Enterprise'', or just conceal ''Reliant'' in the Mutara Nebula and and watch as that ship is conducting its investigation.
** Khan had Chekov deliberately name-drop Kirk in his conversation to Dr. Marcus, then waited until after Regula contacted Starfleet before jamming them. Chekov even says to Khan that Regula will attempt to contact Kirk to verify the order and Khan indicates it's part of his plan. It doesn't take too much of a leap to imagine that Kirk is going to come out himself, especially given what he knew of Kirk's character from Space Seed. If, by chance, the first ship is Kirk-less he'd probably contrive a way to contact it and name-drop Kirk again and lather, rinse, repeat until Kirk showed up. I always figured it was pure chance that Kirk and Dr. Marcus also had a history.

[[folder: Seems Legit]]
* Why would Khan & company accept at face value that they can--without effort--eavesdrop on Enterprise Spock talking to buried alive Kirk?
** Because they were listening in through Terrell's wrist communicator. When Terrell tries to resist the order to kill Kirk he pulls it off his wrist and drops it on the floor. Kirk picks it up again to rant at Khan a few moments later. They thought it was legit because Kirk didn't know Terrell and Chekhov were under Khan's control and letting them listen in.

[[folder: Why would Khan assume he was leaving Kirk "buried alive"?]]
* Granted, Khan may not have yet taken the time to read up on the size and extent of the Federation and Starfleet given his single-minded obsession with Kirk. But the Regula facilities, both the space station and the underground complex on the planet, were built and supported by Starfleet, not independent. Even if Khan destroyed the ''Enterprise'', sooner or later other Starfleet ships would be assigned to investigate Regula and most certainly informed about the existence of the underground caverns. Was Khan planning on keeping ''Reliant'' in orbit above Regula, trying to fight off any approaching ships, for years to come?
** Possibly he was planning on destroying the Regula station once Reliant was repaired. Given how linear (for want of a better term) his thought processes tend to be, he just hadn't considered that Starfleet would know about the cavern. He's not exactly working on all thrusters, to borrow a phrase, by this point anyway.
** Perhaps he thought the Federation would be too busy dealing with their new Emperor-for-life and his unstoppable Genesis superweapon to try hunting down where Admiral Kirk went to.
*** Given his ego, not entirely implausible.
** Also most of Starfleet at least may not have known about the cavern, as it was only hinted at in Carol's briefing on the Genesis device, and it took an Admiral's security clearance just to get that.
*** No. In her immodest boasting about what they had accomplished so far, Carol explicitly states that the Starfleet Corps of Engineers spent ''ten months'' working to excavate the caverns for the project, as compared to the single day it took the scientists to fill the main cavern with life. So unless Starfleet kills their personnel after they complete top secret construction projects, then the existence of the cavern complex would be well-known to them given all the time and effort that went into digging the thing. They may not have known what exactly the tunnels (and the space station) were going to be used for. Khan may not have known until his puppets went down there because the ''Reliant'' crew was tasked with a different function for the project (finding a suitable planet for Phase 3) and weren't told. But Starfleet definitely knew that they were there, and given the severity of the situation (especially if both the ''Reliant'' and the ''Enterprise'' were MIA along with the Genesis Device) would have told any ships sent to investigate to check them out.
*** Some engineers knew about the tunnels, sure, but they didn't know about the cavern and it's abundant food and air supply. How long would they expect someone to live in just those tunnels? If the Federation were in the midst of dealing with Khan and his superweapon it might not be worth their while to send a ship out to try to find Kirk on a lifeless planetoid.
*** As a side note, according to the novelization of ''Star Trek III'', the life in the Genesis cavern on Regulus also rapidly mutated into a very unsafe environment. So if Kirk really had been abandoned there he probably wouldn't have survived very long.
*** I never said that Starfleet would send anyone specifically to come and rescue Kirk. But since Genesis was ''the'' ultimate weapon known to Federation science at the time, Starfleet most definitely ''would'' dispatch multiple ships to investigate Regula as soon as they realized that ''Enterprise'' was no longer responding to contact. At that point it would look as if the ''Regula One'' station, the ''Reliant'' and the ''Enterprise'', all involved with Genesis, had all mysteriously gone silent. This would give the definite impression that ''somebody'' was specifically after Genesis, even if Khan headed off into deep space never to be heard from again. Starfleet would have no higher priority than finding out what happened, and that would entail investigating Regula, including checking out both the station (unless it were destroyed) and the underground complex in order to gather information. Logically, Kirk and company would not have to survive more than a few weeks, possibly less, before Starfleet showed up looking for answers.

[[folder: Telegraphing the Threat]]
* There's an discussion above about why Kirk didn't raise ''Enterprise's'' shields earlier than he did. Part of the argument against Kirk's command decisions is the fact that whoever was in command of ''Reliant'' had raised her shields--indicating that at best, ''Reliant'' was reacting to a threat that ''Enterprise'' wasn't aware of, and at worst that ''Reliant'' was preparing to engage ''Enterprise'', itself. So why ''did'' Khan order shields up? It seems like blind luck that ''Enterprise'' didn't respond by immediately taking a full, battle-ready posture (which would drastically lower Khan's odds of winning the firefight). Why not raise shields simultaneously with his opening fusillade? Granted, a quick shot of ''Enterprise's'' weapons console showed they were charging phasers, but Starfleet has a reputation for never firing first; so it's a pretty safe bet that ''Reliant'' wasn't in any danger until after Khan opened fire.
** There are only a few seconds between ''Reliant'' raising shields and firing. Khan probably figured he wasn't going to give Kirk enough time to react anyway, so might as well play it safe and guard ''Reliant'' against any shots the ''Enterprise'' could get off before he disables them.
*** Another possibility is that the scene actually plays out faster than the viewer sees, because they don't want to split screen and show both ships simultaneously. But a lot of that action is happening at the same time, so when they say on the ''Enterprise'' that ''Reliant'' is raising shields, Khan is already saying lock phasers simultaneously to that.

!Engineering and Starship Operations
[[folder: Communicators]]
* The ''Reliant'' came into close range and was practically next to the ''Enterprise'' when it attacked. Standard-issue Starfleet communicators are shown to be able to contact a starship from tens of thousands of kilometers away at the very least. Even if the ''Reliant'' communications system really had been malfunctioning, shouldn't anyone aboard have been able to simply whip out a communicator and call the ''Enterprise'', or vice versa? At that distance the state of ''Reliant's'' communications system should have been irrelevant, since ''Enterprise's'' was working. It was bad enough that Kirk was falling for such an obvious trap, but ''nobody'' on ''Enterprise'' thought of that?
** Kirk orders that they try the "emergency channels", which probably includes hailing all communicators. Not that it matters, because Uhura explicitly says they have audio communications, as the excuse of "Chaber's Coil overloading communications" is a voice message. Once they'd spotted the excuse of the Chamber's Coil ''not'' overloading the comms, they already knew something was up. Reliant's silence was part of the reason Kirk ordered Yellow Alert even [[http://youtu.be/LaVIIoRKBlk?t=6s before the Chamber's Coil excuse]]. It wasn't lack of communication that was the issue, it was lack of visual communications and valid explanation for that lack.
** Which only makes Kirk's blunder even worse. He cannot have a conversation with the ''Reliant'' because they don't have video available? Common sense would argue that if they were making excuses as to why they could not establish video communications with ''Enterprise'', then whoever was actually controlling the ''Reliant'' obviously didn't want to be seen. This would suggest that the ship had been captured by non-Starfleet individuals.
** Also, shouldn't the ''Enterprise's'' EverythingSensor[=s=] have detected that ''Reliant'' had only a fraction of the number of people aboard that it should have had?
*** We're not sure how many people ''Reliant'' was supposed to have in the first place. Memory Alpha says 25-35. ExpandedUniverse sources say around 220. Kahn had maybe 50 people with him. In the novelization he also used Ceti Eels on most of the engineering crew, so they were still aboard - that's still probably less than 220. Maybe Spock would have noticed there weren't enough crew aboard if he hadn't been focusing on seeing if their chambers coil emissions were normal.

[[folder: Radiation Suits]]
* Scotty had to take the Enterprise's main power source offline because of radiation. However, Kirk tells to Scotty to reenable the warp drive to escape a pending detonation of the genesis device. Spock goes down to engineering to fix the power source, but Dr. [=McCoy=] and Scotty will not let him proceed because of the deadly radiation in the room with the power source. However, the ship is about to be destroyed with all hands unless they get the warp drive working, so logically it is one of those tough times when a commanding officer needs to order a crew member to his death to fix the power source. Furthermore, if Spock feels he should do it and can take the rads better, why is the engineering staff impeding him instead of suiting him up in a radiation suit as fast as they can to allow him an outside chance to survive the repair job?
** Scotty was unconscious when Spock arrived, and [=McCoy=] doesn't know that the ship is doomed. The information that the Enterprise won't be far enough away when Genesis initiates is conveyed by a silent head shake on the bridge. [=McCoy=] isn't being irrational, he just doesn't know the danger, and Spock doesn't have time to explain, as he says when he nerve-pinches the good doctor to get past him.
** In point of fact, Spock had no chance of surviving. Spock's greater radiation tolerance was barely enough to let him live long enough to actually finish the repairs before dropping dead. Of course, if Spock is the only crew member physically capable of doing the repairs, then you have to send him in, so your objection still applies.
*** Because they don't want Spock to die. That simple. People don't always act rationally or think things through, especially in the middle of a life-or-death crisis.
*** It does seem odd that on a nuclear powered SPACE-ship with 23rd century technology they have no a) radiation suits or b) robots that could do the repairs by remote control. Don't the environment suits have radiation protection?
*** In the novelization of the movie, Scotty states that the suits and robots they had available would "freeze up" due to the excessive radiation (presumably ionizing) affecting their motor circuits.
*** So... their radiation suits are so vulnerable to radiation that they will be paralyzed by radiation that a human(oid) can (temporarily) withstand? That's actually quite poor engineering.
*** More like Truth in Television. Electronics is really sensitive to radiation, which is why all electronics in satellites and such has to be specially hardened and lags for decades behind current microprocessor designs. And it got worse over time. On the other hand humans (and other animals) can take a quite large dose of radiation and still carry on for some minutes (or longer). If that's all that's needed...
*** I always assumed that there was no time to suit him up. Considering that in Star Trek, the clock will always stop at one, then he was correct in assuming that the time required in suiting up was not an option. Don't ask why no-one else suited up. RuleOfDrama.
*** Hey, flame-retardant firefighting gear isn't designed to actually let you survive ''inside'' a roaring fire, its just intended to help you get ''closer'' to one. Same logic could apply to Starfleet radiation suits.
*** One sudden bit of Fridge Logic is "with dozens of engineering grunts down there, why don't they keep one guy in a rad suit 24/7, just in case something goes wrong?"
*** If you watch the Director's Cut version of Kirk's inspection, you '''do''' see one suited-up crew member inside the chamber. Doesn't mean it's normally a permanent station, however.
*** When the system is operating normally, the radiation levels are low enough so that a suited up person will be ok. When Spock went in, there was a lot of damage, and the radiation levels were a LOT higher. A suit simply wouldn't provide enough protection. Even if Spock had suited up, it still would've killed him, and on top of that, the suit would've slowed him down when time was of the essence.
*** Possibly that one guy (or several guys) who was suited up was killed, ran away, or was otherwise occupied trying to keep Engineering from falling apart/being consumed by flames/releasing a NegativeSpaceWedgie due to a containment failure. Or maybe it was just Cadet Preston's turn to be in the suit that day, and nobody thought to pick somebody else after he died.
*** The novelization strongly implies that the coolant pipes are so heavily reinforced that Starfleet Engineering had calculated that anything that hit the engine room hard enough to break one would already have destroyed the rest of the engine room, so no point in worrying about it. Turns out they got their math wrong.
*** The dialogue strongly suggests that Spock would have sent Scotty (who was suited) in, if Scotty hadn't been almost unconscious at the time
----> [=McCoy=]: You're not going in there!
----> Spock: Perhaps you're right. What is Mr. Scott's condition?
----> [=McCoy=]: Well, I don't think that he-- (gets nerve-pinched)
----> Spock: Sorry, Doctor, I have no time to discuss this logically (Begins pulling Scotty's gloves off).
*** I dunno; to me, that looked like Spock deliberately misdirecting [=McCoy=] so he'd be in perfect position to nerve-pinch.
*** [[MagnificentBastard Why can't it be both?]]
*** I was surprised thought that those hot, uncomfortable looking protective garments that the engineers wore during the movie-era apparently don't provide some measure of protection from radiation.
*** They do. They let you live long enough to finish the job and save the ship. Some radiation can only be stopped by extreme measures (lead, concrete, etc.) and a radiation suit just won't be able to stop everything.
** The suit did do at least some bit of good: the gloves Spock borrowed presumably kept his hands from melting off until he could finish the repairs.
** There ''is'' a guy with a radiation suit at the ready, but he's clearly out of it as he's still knocking his head against a support pole when Kirk rushes down to the chamber.

[[folder: Why Not Use the Transporters?]]
* Kirk suggests that they beam aboard ''Reliant'' to turn off the Genesis Device and David says that they can't. Well, okay, but what's to stop them from beaming Genesis onto the ''Enterprise'' and then beaming it into deep space, like they did with Nomad in "The Changeling"?
** Because that won't stop the device from activating, and it won't make it any easier for the ship to get out of range when it does.
** Yeah, but they were ''desperate''. They didn't stand much of a chance flying away at impulse power either, so beaming the device away would have given them at least ''slightly'' better odds, wouldn't it?
*** Maximum range of the Genesis device: the entire width of the nebula. Maximum range of the transporter: ''enormously less''. Without the Enterprise's warp drive, beaming it would have been the equivalent of your house being 200 feet away from a detonating nuclear bomb instead of 100 feet, IOW, not really being any safer at all.
** Beam it into the transporter pattern buffer, keep it there for a few days while they repair the warp drive, beam it back out, and warp off before it explodes. Or stick it in the buffer and deliberately degrade the pattern until its dangerous components turn to mush.
*** I'm sorry, did you say "days?" When the timer was set for 4 minutes? Have fun with that.
*** Or just beam it out on "Scatter Mode". They've done that before too. Or here's an idea: OPEN UP WITH ALL WEAPONS. Or, failing that, beam over an antimatter bomb right next to the stupid thing.
*** Toy just pointed out a major problem with transporter tech. Doing things like that could fix problems in a lot of episodes and movies but no one ever thinks of it. The plot always demands they do not.
*** ^That actually happened in the Voyager novel "Echoes", which involved a planet being transported(but not Transported) one universe over every X hours and Y minutes. This worked fairly well until they reached a universe where the planet had been destroyed. The Voyager in that universe eventually hit upon the solution of holding as many people as possible in their pattern buffer. They got the entire sentient population of the planet, but it'd only work once.
*** They did it in a Voyager episode, too. They were smuggling telepaths through psi-unfriendly space, and the transporters were conveniently in "test cycles" during every inspection.
*** And let's not forget that Scotty managed to stay in a pattern buffer for, what - 70 years? So, it seems very clear that it's possible to keep things in there for a while... but as stated above, it's TOO useful.
*** Ah, but Scotty stayed in the pattern buffer for seventy years based on a technique he had developed, which the Enterprise-D crew were shocked had worked. Keeping something in the transporter buffer wasn't a viable option at the time of TWOK. An in-universe Science Marches On.
*** Except that it was done with several Klingons in "Day of the Dove" (TOS) 16 years before TWOK.
*** Let's not forget that Scotty put himself AND another crewman into the "Transporter Suspended Animation Thing," but said other crewman was [[RedShirt not so lucky.]]
*** "Not so lucky" would have been perfectly acceptable in this case. The signal degraded too much for the Device to be rematerialized? Problem solved.
** It's quite possible that the energy wave produced by the device during its build-up would interfere with a transporter.
*** Seems likely-- generally speaking transporters are pretty delicate, think about how many planets and weather conditions they don't work in, or how many times they could work but the targeting scanner can't get a lock on the item.
** Actually, I wonder if energy was the reason this ''Enterprise'' couldn't do this. My knowledge of the physics involved is shaky at best, but it seems that a device like Genesis-- a device that could affect an entire star system--would have a massive amount of stored energy. From what we've learned about Starfleet transporters, they work by converting matter to energy, briefly storing that energy, directing that energy towards a target, and finally converting that energy back to matter. This would require an unfathomably huge amount of (among other things) computer memory to pull off. Since Genesis' stored energy would not simply disappear during transport, it seems possible that the heavily damaged ''Enterprise'' simply didn't have the available resources it would need to transport the Genesis Device.
*** As an aside note, this is one of the many reasons why Star Trek-style teleportation is straight-up impossible in the real world (because even a human requires rather a lot of memory, to say the least).
** They are in a crippled ship that is in the middle of a nebula that scrambles the sensors so bad they can barely run the view screen and are unable to solidly lock weapons. If they can't lock the weapons, then they certainly cannot lock the transporters.
*** At the end of the battle, ''Enterprise'' ordered ''Reliant'' to prepare to be boarded, and later Kirk suggests that a team beams over to ''Reliant'' and disarm Genesis manually. Both suggest that they ''could'' use the transporters in the nebula--although I suppose that it could also mean that Kirk doesn't understand how transporters work.
*** No, he understands, you've got a gap though. Pad-to-pad beaming is much, ''much'' easier than pad-to-point or point-to-point beaming, which is why when a group has to go to another ship, they almost always go down to the transporter room, step onto the pad, and beam to the other ship's pad in their transporter room, rather than just beaming from their bridge to the other ship's bridge or whatever. Aside from protocol, it's much safer and less energy-intensive. So when Kirk's saying they could beam over to the Reliant, he's saying they'd beam from the Enterprise's pad to the Reliant's pad, which might be possible even if all other options aren't. Think of it like networking two computers directly with a cable between them, as opposed to going through a hub or wireless option.
** Perhaps transporting or destroying the activated genesis device would cause it to immediately detonate. The genesis wave may have already been created, and the device is just holding it back for a few minutes to perform final adjustments to the genesis wave before releasing it, and/or as a safety measure to give a starship enough time to warp away.
** One thing no troper has mentioned yet: how can they beam the Genesis device off Reliant if they don't know where it was? Sure, ''we'' know that Khan had it taken from the transporter room and put on the bridge so he could have it under his control, but no one on Enterprise would know this; it wasn't on the bridge-to-bridge view screen. They ''might'' have aimed at the center of the energy build-up, if they could detect the ''exact'' center, but by the time the wave reached Enterprise, the entire Reliant was shown.

[[folder: Lack of Options on the Command Console]]
* When Spock takes over the Reliant via the "command console" and lowers her shields, why doesn't he do something more destructive like order ''Reliant'' to dump all her fuel into space or blow out all her airlocks?
** Considering Khan had just knocked out their main power and weapons, Kirk and Spock needed to do something incredibly simple. Dumping fuel would still leave ''Reliant'' with enough power to blast ''Enterprise'', and opening the airlocks would do nothing as ships are built with multiple failsafes to prevent total loss of atmosphere.
** I'm wondering why they didn't use the command console in comparable situations later on in ''Trek''. We've seen other instances of one or another crew having to bring in a Starfleet ship that had been hijacked or whose captain had gone renegade or that was taking orders from an admiral attempting a coup. TNG's "The Wounded," Deep Space Nine's "Defiant" and "Paradise Lost," Voyager's "Equinox," to name a few.
*** Renegade Starfleet officers would be fully aware of the code and would have to be carrying an IdiotBall the size of a small solar system to not change it. Spock worried that the command console plan might fail on account of Khan changing the code. As for hijackers, well lets just say that [[HandWave they were also aware of the command console codes]] or something.
*** They actually ''did'' use this tactic in "The Wounded" - it was only partially successful, though.
*** Khan's line suggests that there was a way to override the remote access, and that the only reason the trick worked at all was that the crew was unfamiliar with the ship and couldn't block it quickly enough.
** Kirk also had no idea where ''Reliant's'' real crew was. Blowing out their airlocks or ordering an Auto-Destruct or something could have killed the ''Reliant'' crew along with Khan and his followers. It's also possible that the command console code can't access vital functions, but only stuff you would need to recover an out-of-control ship, like ordering the shields down so you can beam a recovery crew over.

[[folder: Applying the Phlebotinum]]
* Having watched only the movies and the TV series, I'm curious: what exactly did Spock ''do'' to fix or reconnect the mains? Without technical insight on his actions, all a casual moviegoer (like myself) sees is him put his thickly-gloved hands into a tube and fiddle with something inside while working against a strong blast of (presumably radioactive) vapors. That's not exactly conductive to delicate work, whatever it was.
** That's basically like asking how a warp engine works. All we know is that he needed the glove to keep his fingers from melting off as he reconnected/rerouted/fixed whatever was preventing them from going to warp. The precise technical details are really irrelevant to the plot. I imagine the work was not so delicate that it could be done while wearing gloves, and it's just Spock's high pain threshold and ability to work by memory and sense of touch that allowed him to do it.
** If you must have an answer, perhaps he was manually re-aligning the [[AppliedPhlebotinum dilithium crystals in the articulation frame]] so that they could once again regulate the matter/antimatter reaction in ''Enterprise's'' warp reactor. That's what I always assumed he was doing, and it without further information it would seem to be the most likely explanation... but really, it doesn't matter.
*** This seems most likely, especially in light of Alt!Kirk's actions in the mirroring scene of ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness''.
*** Maybe the Phlebotinum was just clogged in the tube? He had to reach in there and clear the radioactive phlebotimuck so that the energy could flow.
** With regards to the above suggestion (pardon my going exceptionally nerdy here), the dilithium chamber's stuck behind a blast door or two that was sealed during the first attack by Khan (the only visible part of the warp drive form here is the deuterium conduits. I always figured it was fixing the warp coolant lines, as deuterium's not radioactive like that, and you can't screw with antimatter, even with gloves; the coolant would most likely be radioactive as shit from being in contact with matter/antimatter flows and warp power flows. But that's just me.

[[folder: Loose Lips Prevent Sinking Ships]]
* Every indication is that every Starfleet cadet (or at least, every one on the "command" track) takes the Kobayashi Maru scenario... and everyone takes it under that name. Starfleet must seriously have some tight-lipped cadets, if they expect to run a simulation the point of which is a "twist ending" -- the lack of way to win it -- and don't feel the need to change its name every now and again. In the Abrams film, this becomes even a bit stranger, since there's this well-attended public hearing dealing with Kirk's having cheated on it. How can they do this, without giving the game away?
** It's entirely possible that they run multiple scenarios involving a ship named Kobayashi Maru. Indeed maybe every 'generic ship' in every simulator scenario has that name. When and where the no-win version pops up would be random, or at the discretion of the instructor. Ignoring the Abrams version, you then simply theorize that they don't tell you it's unwinnable, which explains why Kirk took it three times, and that Kirk himself didn't know it until he reprogrammed it. The Enterprise command staff knows it's unbeatable because they're the instructors. Kirk tells Saavik because he's Kirk, and also because Vulcans already have a handle on the no-win scenario idea.
** Not to mention that when Kirk asks [=McCoy=] to join him on his third attempt, asking if it bugs him that no-one has ever beaten it, [=McCoy=] flatly responds that "it's the Kobayashi Maru... NOBODY beats it." Heavily implying it's somewhat common knowledge. However, it's not outside the realm of possibility that cadets/officers who take the test consider it a rite of passage, and don't discuss the true nature of it with those that haven't taken the test yet.
** There's also the question of why you would allow multiple attempts at an unwinnable test, anyway. Just to be cruel? Saavik is informed immediately that the test can't be passed; if they did the same with Kirk, it is hard to see why they would let him take it again, 1: because you'll behave differently if you know that it can't be won, so the test becomes unable to measure what it's meant to, and 2: because, as we've seen, it's an invitation to cheat.
*** The test's a SecretTestOfCharacter already, perhaps letting students take it multiple times just to drive home the idea that a no-win scenario is a real possibility that comes with a life in the command chair--though I wonder how it affects a cadet's score if he or she takes that long to get it. A major theme of both Wrath of Khan and its sequel Search for Spock were loss. Kirk didn't win the no-win scenario, he just managed to delay his eventual defeat for a few decades; he didn't believe that he could loose until he lost his best friend, his son, his ship, and his career.
** It's highly unlikely that every other test they have at the Academy has a 100% success rate. You fail a mission and you go back and review your performance, examine the scenario, think outside the box, etc. to learn from your mistake. You retake the test to apply what you learned and see if your solutions work. With the Kobayashi Maru the trick is that there are no winning solutions. Don't believe them? Try again and see. The lesson is to teach these over-achieving, Type A personality command track cadets that no matter how good you, your crew or your ship are, there are situations where you cannot succeed. It's recognizing the difference between "Nobody has ever beat this mission." (implying no one has yet found the solution and that if you're good enough you might be the one to beat it) and "This mission literally cannot be beaten." It's to teach cadets that the only way to "beat" the no-win scenario is to avoid it in the first place—in this case that means not entering the Neutral Zone to rescue the eponymous ship.
*** Even then that is a loss. The purpose of the test is to confront a captain with a true no-win scenario: try to rescue the ship, and your entire crew is killed in a surprise attack. Leave the ship behind, and you have consigned roughly 300 people to a slow, agonizing death as they either suffocate or get caught by Klingons. The closest there ever was to a 'real' victory was Mackenzie Calhoun, who [[TakeAThirdOption blew up the ''Maru'' because he thought it was a trap.]]
*** Ah, but Saavik is explicitly told that it is a no-win scenario, that it cannot be beaten, and the purpose of the test is disclosed to her plainly. In her case at least, retaking it would be useless for all involved, since it would no longer be testing anything meaningful.
*** Actually Saavik is the one who complains that it was a no-win scenario, it's not pointed out to her, Kirk merely runs with her implication when he critiques her critique of the test.
*** Everyone is told it's a no-win scenario once they've failed it. The difference is that Vulcans would take that lesson to heart rather than Kirk's approach of having too big an ego to even consider being in a no-win scenario. You don't ''have'' to retake it, but they apparently don't stop you from doing so either.
** There are two constants to the Kobayashi Maru test: that it is unwinnable, and that it involves trying to save a ship named the ''Kobayashi Maru'' that is in distress; everyone knows these two things. Everything else about the test changes either from year to year or cadet to cadet, in ways that are either subtle or major. (In the most recent movie, note that Spock has been putting the test together for the last several years, thus implying that it changes at least on a yearly basis.) In fact, in the [=TNG=] episode where Wesley is shown being put through tests for Starfleet, the overall scenario and message is the exact same as that of the Kobayashi Maru... he's put in an unwinnable situation where he can't save everyone and has to make the best decision out of a lot of very hard ones. This would actually tie in to something from one of the "Shatnerverse" novels, where a modern Starfleet officer refers to Kirk as the ''first'' person to pass the Kobayashi Maru. Kirk's a bit surprised that other people have passed it, whereupon she explains that it's no longer a test about how you'll do in a no-win scenario... it's a ''hacking test'', judging your ability to gain access to the system and what you'll do when you do, and pretty much everyone passes it now. Presumably the actual no-win scenario test of character is something else now, like what Wesley went through.
** In real life, it is illegal to discuss what material the NCLEX (the licensing exam for nurses in the United States of America) covers. It happens anyway, but this troper has yet to hear of someone getting in trouble for doing just that. Maybe Starfleet treats the Kobayashi Maru the same way.
* How exactly does Khan recognize Chekov? Space Seed was a first-season episode, and Chekov didn't show up until the second season...
** There are episodes of TOS with Chekov in them that have earlier Stardates than Space Seed. The episodes aren't necessarily in chronological order. Thus we know he was on the ship, even if he doesn't appear in the episode itself. From there it's easy to assume the encounter simply happened off-screen.
** In the DVD Commentary Nicholas Meyer acknowledges this problem, but takes a 'Meh, screw it' attitude towards it, finding the needs of the plot more important than the continuity gaff. Walter Koenig, however, suggested that Chekov was aboard ''Enterprise'' during ''Space Seed'', but didn't have a bridge post yet. He also gave a bit of amusing backstory for how the two met: Khan needed to use the bathroom, but had to wait because Chekov was in there, and he was taking his sweet time. Apparently, Khan was still holding a grudge. It reached ThisIsUnforgivable levels when Khan realized that Chekov [[FelonyMisdemeanor expended all the toilet paper too]].

[[folder: Why use a ship full of cadets?]]
Why were Starfleet really so desperate to investigate the situation there and then that they had to give it to a ship crewed mostly by unexperienced youngsters and risk their lives so readily on an unknown, potentially hostile situation, just because the ''Enterprise;; was the only ship readily available?
* Lots of potential reasons:
** Time pressure: Genesis is really damn sensitive, even hours could count if someone is really up to no good so the closest ship has to be the one to respond.
** Kirk's ex is contacting Kirk over this and she thinks that Kirk has screwed up. Starfleet may just think that all it is is garbled communications and misunderstandings, so send Kirk to clean it up. With no expectation of trouble, why not send the cadets; good experience for them.
** The cadets are getting near active duty, why not? Again, good experience for them.
** Security; Kirk is already fully briefed on Genesis, why risk the security clearance by reading in another Captain if they don't have to.
*** ''Enterprise's'' senior staff is also made up of some of Starfleet's most trusted officers--Starfleet would probably be very comfortable letting them deal with a highly sensitive mission.
** Possibly they expected Enterprise just to scout it out and call for back up if they needed to. Even if they thought there was a security risk, they probably thought that any perpetrators would be long gone before Enterprise could even get there, Reliant intercepting and ambushing them would not even be on the list of things they expected to happen.
*** Basically it all boils down to Starfleet just not expecting Enterprise to meet any resistance or have to do anything that happened in this movie.
** There's also the possibility Kirk was taking some liberties with the truth. It would be very in-character for Kirk to shoot a message to off to Starfleet that basically said, "''Something's wrong with Genesis. ''Enterprise'' moving to investigate. Kirk out.''" and just take off without waiting for a reply. If you really want to look for one, it would be easy to see a sort of tortured justification: ''I want to find out what's going on; I'm a high-ranking Starfleet flag officer; therefore, Starfleet wants me to find out what's going on.''
*** Kirk was an ''admiral'' at the time. As in: person-who-gives-orders-to-starship-captains. He actually ''could'' just choose to take the ''Enterprise'' and go investigate without needing permission from Starfleet Command because he himself ''was'' a representative of Starfleet Command!

[[folder:Hull Breach In Engineering]]
* Wouldn't everyone in Engineering have been sucked right out into space as soon as Khan's phaser blast hulled them in? I see a couple of guys falling over, then another guy climbing a ladder, then those same two guys crawling out of the warp core under a closing bulkhead. In reality, if the hull is even minutely breached in a space-faring vessel, wouldn't you get sucked out as though being pulled through a very uncomfortable straw?
** By the time the ''Enterprise-B'' is commissioned in ''Generations'' they have automatic force fields that activate to prevent depressurization from a hull breach, so that tech might already be present in engineering here. And no, you wouldn't be sucked out through a tiny hole in a ship pressurized at Earth-normal atmosphere. SpaceDoesNotWorkThatWay

!The Genesis Device
[[folder: The Genesis Planet]]
* Just one thing that I've never settled. When the Genesis Device is activated at the end, how does a single, Miranda-class starship have enough mass to be reworked into an average-size M class planet?
** The nebula provided the necessary mass.
** Yeah, it kinda looks like it is drawing in matter from the entire sector. Also explains why the Enterprise would need warp power to escape.
** Yeah, notice the nebula disappears when the explosion goes off.
*** It wouldn't even need to be the entire nebula. Nebulae contain a LOT of mass. Like enough mass to form many MANY stars. There would be more than enough gas there to convert into solid matter to form one planet. Now the star that genesis was orbiting had to be the same star that Regulus was orbiting. The genesis device probably couldn't create a star too, although all it takes is gravity to turn nebula gas into a star...
*** Yeah, the Mutara Nebula was probably the molecular cloud of a star that had already formed.
** No matter how you think about it, the creation of the Genesis planet is ''awfully'' convenient. After all, turning nebula mass into planetary matter isn't what Genesis was designed to do. It just... happened to work exactly right. And the planet happened to be the correct distance from the star to maintain the right kind of life. All this is just luck?
*** We don't *know* they didn't design it to work with nebulas. All we know is that they were going to do the original test on a dead planet.
*** The fact that Marcus's briefing makes no reference to nebulas tells us that it was not designed to have anything to do with them.
*** The Genesis Device seems to be half guesswork and half accident on the part of its own designers. Even ''they'' don't seem to fully comprehend how the damn thing works, they're constantly shocked at their own creation. Considering that it's ''Star Trek'', it's entirely possible some scientist said "Well, I cross-wired a bunch of the latest tech together in a configuration that seemed logical to me. But we'll have to turn it on to see what it does."
*** That's why it implodes in ''Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock''.
*** Well, there was the whole "proto-matter scandal". On one hand, David seemed fully aware of what the problem was, implying he knew this was a possibility. On the other hand, it's so vaguely explained that it could be exactly this.

[[folder: Terminology]]
* Dr. Carol Marcus says that the Genesis Device takes a "moon or other dead form" and transforms that "dead moon" into "a living, breathing planet", implying that a planet is differentiated from a moon by the ability to sustain life.
** At the time the movie was made, there was no technical definition for "planet". It took a big group of scientists to do that, and it resulted in Pluto getting the boot (and America's hearts!) It's not unreasonable to assume that Federation scientists agreed that a "planet" was a habitable body of a certain size (gas giants are habitable for some Star Trek critters), and by the time of The Next Generation, had somehow changed the meaning.
** Frankly, I would be more concerned with the fact that the Genesis Device can apparently make ''any'' planet/asteroid/moon/rock/whatever into a habitable biome ''regardless'' of distance from its sun, gravitational force, or mineral components. Come on... ''really''? Granted, I usually let this slide because ''Wrath of Khan'' [[RuleOfCool is otherwise so awesome]].
*** This is implicitly untrue based solely on the plot of the movie. If all they needed was a lifeless planet to test on, they wouldn't have needed Reliant to go find one. Lifeless planets are everywhere. The frustration the Reliant crew shows at the beginning of the movie when their candidate planet shows possible life signs is another strong indicator that it can't be just any planet. Logically they are looking for a lifeless planet that is inside the 'sweet spot' of a solar system where life can be supported if it were introduced artificially. Finding a lifeless planet within life-supporting distance of a star is going to be much harder in the Star Trek universe where life is found all over the place.
*** Again, the people who made the Genesis Device are less scientists and more scienticians. I'm sure someone could, or has, come up with a technobabble explanation for it... perhaps the Genesis Device tailors an environment that produces more heat for a planet that would be too far away from its sun, or adds atmospheric gasses that deflect more light and heat if it's too close, or... I don't know, it's ''Star Trek'', hard science has less of a place in it than a [=McDonalds=] has in a Buddhist temple. Besides, worked for ''{{Series/Firefly}}''.
** Pretty simple, really. The commonly used terms of "planet" and "moon" evoke images of life-bearing and barren, respectively. Hell, even among Sci-Fi types, nearly 30 years later, people don't get that the planet that they destroy the second Death Star shield generator was a moon around a lifeless gas giant. The gas giant was Endor, the moon was never actually named.
*** It was called "the forest moon of Endor" and "the sanctuary moon" in the film itself, which makes it even more annoying when people keep calling the moon itself Endor.
*** Well, the line "A small rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor" didn't help matters.
*** Same for the location of the rebel base in the first movie. The base is often said to be on the planet Yavin when it's really on Yavin IV, the fourth moon of the gas giant Yavin.
*** If the forest moon is the only remarkable aspect of Endor, it makes perfect sense to just shorten references to the moon to "Endor" in casual conversation. Basically, is the only reason to go there to visit the forest moon? Yes? Then everyone would know that when you say "I'm going to Endor" you mean "I'm going to the forest moon of Endor".
** Possibly Carol mentions using it on a moon because that's what she hopes Genesis technology will ultimately be used for: to turn the lifeless moons of inhabited planets into additional living space for those planets' populations. We know that Earth is crowded enough that by Picard's time, they'll be considering the construction of a whole new ''continent'' to provide room for more people; if Genesis had worked out, Carol might've been able to avert that need by turning our own Luna into a green world. (Granted, there are probably already settlements there in Kirk's time, but those people could be evacuated during the Genesis wave that would obviate their need for pressure domes and so forth.)
** There's apparently been a change in how star systems are referred to as well. By today's conventions it should be the Alpha Ceti system, not Ceti Alpha.

[[folder: How Hard Could it Be to Find a Dead Rock?]]
* The ''Reliant'' has been looking for a lifeless space body on which to test the Genesis device. "So far, no success." Is it really ''that'' hard to find a planet or moon that's completely lifeless? As of 2010, we've yet to find a single planet other than Earth that ''has'' life.
** If you go by actual science, the ''Reliant'' had to find a lifeless space body that existed in a location that would provide ideal conditions for carbon-based life: the Goldilocks zone. Not too close or too far from its parent star. One could probably use the Genesis device on mercury or pluto, but any life generated there would burn or freeze to death in short order. It's possible in the Trek universe that most known planets in Goldilocks zones are already host to life of SOME kind.
*** It also has to be borne in mind that this still in the testing phase of development. When you are still in the testing phase the requirements are always far more stringent than in-vivo usage. Any errors in a testing phase have to be because of a fault in the thing you are testing, and they cannot be even slightly possible because of external factors. So it would have to be sterile (otherwise it is "how do you know that you weren't just amplifying existing life") and it has to be in the Goldilocks zone so that any failure to thrive cannot be because of distance to the star, and it has to be the right mass so that any failure due to gravitational factors are not because of mass present, and it has to receive less than a certain level of radiation, etc and so on. We could probably list at least a couple of hundred really specific factors with even modern scientific knowledge, and imagine how many more science in the [=23rdC=] could come up with or related to how Genesis works. Even with so many planets to choose from, it could still give Reliant a massive headache to find one that ticks all the boxes (and that list of factors probably includes "off the main spacelanes and not near any borders" in order to preserve the secrecy of the project). They probably also want more than one candidate too, so they can pick the 'best' (and, eventually, replicate the experiment).
** Alternatively, the scanners are picking up what may be just 'a speck of pre-animate matter' but which turns out to be Khan and several of his followers and a ship about a quarter the size of the Enterprise. Really, speck?
*** There are two possibilities. Terrell ask if it's possible the ship's sensors were out of adjustment, and even if they were, it's possible the constant sandstorms were disrupting their sensor readings.
** I, the original poster, have since bought the novelization, and its explanation is: It's even more complicated than we thought. The test planet has to be of the right size, orbiting the right kind of star, within the star's biosphere, and in a star system otherwise uninhabited. Ceti Alpha V was the sixteenth planet they surveyed.
*** If "in a star system otherwise uninhabited" was one of the criteria, then why didn't Chekov remind anyone that there was a community of marooned outlaw Augments living on (so far as he knew) Ceti Alpha VI?
*** Chekhov didn't remember that Khan and his people were on Ceti Alpha VI until he saw the name of the ship on a belt buckle in the cargo containers. He had completely forgotten about Khan until that point.
* We really don't know how common life-bearing planets are in real life anyway. Yes we're pretty sure there's nothing living on the Moon, and nothing above the microbial level on Mars, but we don't even know if places like Europa might have life, and we really don't know anything at all about how common life might be in other solar systems. Maybe it actually is difficult to find a planet without life of any kind on it.

[[folder: Forgot About Our WMD]]
* As the main characters frequently point out, Genesis is the most powerful weapon in probably the whole galaxy. Why wasn't this technology dug up and weaponized by the Federation for its later wars? There wouldn't have ''been'' a Wolf 359 or Dominion War if Federation starships could just do Genesis at their targets.
** At the end of the third movie, everyone with the potential knowledge to recreate Genesis is either dead, or has no desire to share its secrets with Starfleet. It's given a brief ShoutOut in Voyager as something deemed too dangerous to exist (remember, if we've got it, it's only a matter of time before ''they've'' got it too; see also atomic weapons).
** "Genesis was perfectly named-- the creation of life, not death." Sarek hit it on the nose in ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome'' (although he was incorrect in saying it was the ''Klingons'' who first shed blood to possess its secrets). Only bad people would use the Genesis device as a weapon.
*** Incidentally, I noticed that Klingon line, too, but I actually wondered if that wasn't the official Federation story as to what happened with Genesis. Starfleet Command looked at the facts: a known war criminal who we marooned rather than bringing to justice, and never bothered to check up on, hijacked a heavily-armed Federation starship, which he used to attack a science station and a Constitution-class battlecruiser, and steal what was potentially the most powerful weapon of mass destruction ever built; and decided it was better for everyone if Klingons did it.
*** Or, more likely, Khan wasn't relevant to the topic at hand. The topic was the Klingon ambassador demanding the extradition of Kirk over the death of Kruge and his crew. When it comes to the specific conflict being debated, Klingons ''did'' shed the first blood, and did so attempting to possess the secrets of Genesis. What Sarek said was entirely an accurate description of events.
** Aside from Carol Marcus, everyone involved with Project Genesis is dead and all their data was lost when the Genesis Device destroyed ''Reliant'' and Regula 1. Once they knew it wouldn't work as a terraforming tool, there's no way the Federation would give funding to develop it as a weapon of mass destruction. The other problem is that if the Federation had the technology at the Battle of Wolf 359 and defeated the Borg, that would have made them even more determined to assimilate the Federation to get that knowledge.
** Because it isn't. ''Bones'' is horrified by the device's destructive potential, but what the hell does he know about weapons of mass destruction? A Federation starship even in the 2280s could probably wipe out all life on a planet just using photon torpedoes, or setting off some kind of phlebotinum reaction in the atmosphere. Contrary to popular opinion, there is more to creating a usable weapon that simply the ability to make really big explosions. Alternatively, Starfleet may simply have decided that the technology is ''too'' powerful and too ''unstable'' to use in starship combat. It's revealed in ''Star Trek III'' that the device uses Protomatter, a ridiculously unstable energy source, to fuel the Genesis Reaction.
*** That explanation is basically confirmed in the ''Genesis Wave'' series of novels: Starfleet realized that if the Borg ever assimilated Genesis technology and combined it with their transwarp network, it would be Game Over for the ''galaxy''.
*** ''TOS'' established that at the very least the Constitution-class Federation starships of the 2260s could render a planet uninhabitable (and since Starfleet has bothered to make a General Order specifically to order that -- one that Scotty quickly recognizes from memory -- it can be expected it's not just the Connies that can do that). So, indeed, the destructive potential is far from unprecedented.
*** Federation ships might have to do it in a more calculated way... firing phasers at fault lines, picking specific targets with torpedoes, detonating special warheads high in the atmosphere. Which is pretty different than "Press button, cause genocide." Also, there's the whole matter of "render uninhabitable"... if you use the Genesis Device, not only do you destroy the enemy, but hey look! A nice, habitable planet that retains all of the old one's strategic value! How thoughtful!
** Is a device that works on planetary surfaces going to be especially useful in space battles anyway? For all we know it might be impossible to use it against a fleet target because of some interplay of gravitational effects or materials present or something. If so, since the Federation aren't customarily interested in razing inhabited planets (themselves usually covered by orbital defenses), it's not actually very useful as a weapon.
** The Genesis wave may be incapable of penetrating shields; the Enterprise had no shields in the Mutara Nebula. And it can't catch ships with a warp drive. And as noted above, starships can devastate planets anyway. Combined with the Protomatter and the unknown cost and complexity of setting it up, and it may just not have been effective enough to override the Federation's ethical objections to using it.
** Another factor to consider: using a weapon against the Borg lets you kill a few of them (or a few ships) but then they adapt to it. The absolute last thing the Federation needs on its hands is a Borg Collective that is capable of tossing Genesis torpedoes around.
** Given that the Federation and the Klingon Empire are getting along pretty well at the start of ''TNG'', and the Klingons were absolutely '''livid''' about Genesis's existence in the Kirk-era movies, it's likely that an outright ban on all research into Genesis was one of the stipulations of their improved Picard-era relationship. We know the Federation sticks to such agreements with regards to not equipping their fleet with cloaking devices; Genesis weaponry, like the genetic augmentation of sapients, is probably another thing that's banned by their equivalent of a Geneva Convention.

[[folder: Security]]
* Kirk needs to go through some procedure to show a Star Fleet Captain and a Veteran Medical Officer some classified information that obviously neither of them knew. Earlier, Chekov and Terrell are sickeningly persuaded to tell Khan what they were doing on the planet. Terrell, an officer with an equal rank of Spock, Star ship captain, and his commanding officer, would presumably know nothing about the Genesis project. They were, after all, at the disposal of the scientists, so if they were curious what it was Starfleet had them working on for the scientists, the scientists easily could have (and in the case of David, probably ''would'' have) simply told them that they didn't need to know. If anything, all they would have known was that it created life. This is presumably all that they would have known, since Spock is really only guessing (correctly, as it turns out) what the Genesis Device would do to living people, and since Khan allegedly has a superior intellect, then presumably, he would have made the same unusual leap in logic, presumably. But that still leaves the bizarre nature of how the officers on the ''Reliant'' all knew what was going on. For all we know, they were just given very strange orders like "find a completely lifeless planet."
** Or it's quite possible that Terrell was fully briefed, since his ship was assigned long-term to the project.
** I'd assume that Terrell knew more than Spock did because the project was relevant to Terrell's orders, while Spock was doing something entirely unrelated.
*** Exactly: Chekov's log entry specifies that they're looking for a Genesis test site.
** It's just like classification is handled now, there are two factors determining whether a person can be told classified info; security clearance, and need-to-know. Spock and Terrell could have the exact same clearance level, but Spock simply doesn't have a reason why he should know about Genesis, while Terrell has a very good reason to know about it.

[[folder:Space Rodents]]
* How does a rat get on a space station anyway?
** Escaped experimental animal?
** Escaped pet?
** Inside a shuttlecraft, inside transported cargo, inside cargo dropped off by shuttlecraft or small ships instead of transporting... Rats are invasive and clever, and there are plenty of openings aside from personnel transporters. They're not used for everything.

[[folder:Wonderful Stuff, That Romulan Ale]]
* This beverage has appeared in both Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan and Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry, which seems to point to it having been an invention of Nick Meyer's (writer/director for both films). I think it was in other films too, but that's really not the point. Is it a hard liquor or a wine? It doesn't look carbonated, so that rules out the possibility of it being an Ale as Earthers would refer to it. Also, the way people drink it varies between these two movies (and they are shown actually ''drinking'' it, as opposed to ''Star Trek V'' or ''Nemesis.'') In ''Star Trek II,'' for example, [=McCoy=] pours a third of a tall glass out as a serving for him and Kirk, each. They then proceed to '''sip''' it as though it were a hard liquor. But then, in ''Star Trek VI,'' Kirk is shown downing an entire wine glass (ostensibly a pretty good-sized one) at a sitting. Maybe I'm just not much of a drinker, but I've never seen ''anyone'' down an entire wine glass full of hard liquor in one go without becoming violently ill; i.e., he's drinking it as though it were wine. Which is it, hard liquor or wine? If the two different versions (II and VI's) are of different proofs, why do they look identical in appearance?
** The name seems to be a minor mistranslation or even a marketing name - Romulans probably called it something that got translated to "ale" and the name stuck. The main thing we know about it is that it leaves a nasty hangover, but that doesn't prevent it from being a drink you can just belt down in one go. In fact, the pronounced hangover effects might be one of the excuses for it being illegal, along with the political reasons: it's not just an alcohol hangover, but there's something else in it that's toxic to many non-Romulans that gives it the extra punch. Still, even if you can gulp it down, most people in the Federation probably won't because it's expensive and rare. Sip it and enjoy it slowly, to make it last longer.
** "Ale" likely is a mistranslation, or perhaps just easier to pronounce than the Romulan name. As to why they sip and gulp, it could be like some of our liquors. You can sip a shot of rye whiskey, or mix it with ginger ale if you're sharing it around socially. Maybe they're having Romulan Ale and 7-Up with the Klingon delegation. What is more fitting than adding water to the wine at a diplomatic function? Strangely, Romulan Ale is bright blue no matter what it is mixed with, and the hangover effect is not diluted.
*** That would fit with [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything "I only use it for medicinal purposes."]]
** There's also the whole Neutral Zone issue. Relations between the Federation and the Star Empire are in a tense Cold War-like state; Romulan ale would be analogous to Cuban cigars in the United States. [=McCoy=]'s line about "a border ship bringing a case every now and then across the Neutral Zone" implies that it was smuggled, and that he's got connections to get "the good stuff."