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* Nana being the nursemaid - ''why''? Of course she's going to act like a dog when she ''is'' a dog, Mr. Darling. Granted, Nana is rather intelligent, but it makes no sense why they hired a dog to be a nursemaid.
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** Maybe Hook feels that his vendetta against the crocodile is just too personal to allow his men to get involved. It should be noted that Book!Hook is way less of a pansy than Disney!Hook, so he could just be too prideful to order someone else to kill it for him, or he might feel like it would be too easy. Neverland is all about big, grand adventures, after all, and having someone else kill his (second) greatest enemy for him might just not be a good enough story for Hook to want it to end that way. The last thing he'd want to do is appear cowardly to anyone.
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** Maybe Hook feels that his vendetta against the crocodile is just too personal to allow his men to get involved. It should be noted that Book!Hook is way less of a pansy than Disney!Hook, so he could just be too prideful to order someone else to kill it for him, or he might feel like it would be too easy. Neverland is all about big, grand adventures, after all, and having someone else kill his (second) greatest enemy for him might just not be a good enough story for Hook to want it to end that way. The last thing he'd want to do is appear cowardly to anyone.anyone.
** Considering crocodiles can withstand some fire from modern guns, the guns Hook’s crew use probably wouldn’t be very effective.
** Considering crocodiles can withstand some fire from modern guns, the guns Hook’s crew use probably wouldn’t be very effective.
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** To add to the above, "why does Miss Fulson assume that Wendy is having sexual fantasies with a flying boy?" Because Wendy gives her no reason to believe the drawing means anything other than that. It's worth noting that in the drawing itself, Wendy drew Peter as the same size as her and with wings. He looks like a stereotypical child's drawing of a fairy. And, when directly questioned about the drawing ("if this is you in your bed, what is '''this'''? ''[points to the drawing of Peter hovering above Wendy's bed]''"), Wendy outright identifies Peter as "a boy"; not a man or even a monster, but a flying boy. This isn't a situation where a little girl who is incapable of either comprehending or articulating an issue like a predator assaulting her at night can only communicate such things through upsetting imagery and/or writing, or is obliquely trying to bring her abuse to someone's attention for fear of retribution were she to directly ask for help; Wendy is an extremely articulate and intelligent girl on the cusp of puberty whose entire character arc throughout the film consists of coming to terms with the fact that she's growing up and all that entails. Also, to put it bluntly, while abuse of that kind certainly happened back then just as it has throughout history, it was nowhere near as known about and certainly not thought of to occur in middle or upper class families such as the Darlings' household. Again, that's not to say that it never happened but in the time period we're talking about, it wouldn't exactly be anywhere near anyone's first thought on the basis of one single drawing that a girl of Wendy's age and social standing would necessarily be being assaulted, ''especially'' since the one doing it would likely have to be a member of her own family given that they have an effective guard-dog in Nana so it's highly unlikely anyone would be breaking in...
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** The fact that the kids can't fly when being forced to walk the plank on the pirate ship is indeed a huge headscratcher. Having their hands tied shouldn't matter, as they don't usually need to make any specific movements to fly. Not even Peter himself is immune to this: in the sequel, he is tied to an anchor and nearly forced off the plank. And if you think the anchor is too heavy for him: after he's freed and the danger is over, he cheerfully lifts the anchor and yells: "Hey Hook, you forgot your anchor!" before dropping it on him.
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** The sequel seems to confirm it on the surface. Then again WordOfGod says it's not canon because the sequel was not produced by the Walt Disney Animation Studios, but rather the now-defunct DisneyToons studio.
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** The sequel seems to confirm it on the surface. Then again WordOfGod says it's not canon because the sequel was not produced by the Walt Disney Animation Studios, but rather the now-defunct DisneyToons [=DisneyToons=] studio.
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* If Captain Hook is terrified of the crocodile and never allowed to be calm due to his constant stalking, why does it never occur to Hook to order his men to shoot at the beast to get rid of it? In the Disney movie, for example, the crocodile was waiting for him in the water, and Hook could have used the opportunity to have his men use their pistols and muskets to shoot the crocodile dead.
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* If Captain Hook is terrified of the crocodile and never allowed to be calm due to his constant stalking, why does it never occur to Hook to order his men to shoot at the beast to get rid of it? In the Disney movie, for example, the crocodile was waiting for him in the water, and Hook could have used the opportunity to have his men use their pistols and muskets to shoot the crocodile dead.dead.
** Maybe Hook feels that his vendetta against the crocodile is just too personal to allow his men to get involved. It should be noted that Book!Hook is way less of a pansy than Disney!Hook, so he could just be too prideful to order someone else to kill it for him, or he might feel like it would be too easy. Neverland is all about big, grand adventures, after all, and having someone else kill his (second) greatest enemy for him might just not be a good enough story for Hook to want it to end that way. The last thing he'd want to do is appear cowardly to anyone.
** Maybe Hook feels that his vendetta against the crocodile is just too personal to allow his men to get involved. It should be noted that Book!Hook is way less of a pansy than Disney!Hook, so he could just be too prideful to order someone else to kill it for him, or he might feel like it would be too easy. Neverland is all about big, grand adventures, after all, and having someone else kill his (second) greatest enemy for him might just not be a good enough story for Hook to want it to end that way. The last thing he'd want to do is appear cowardly to anyone.
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** She might know who he is, but is introducing herself to be polite, as befitting a ProperLady in training. In the book, she did know and told plenty of stories about him too.
** The original ending would clarify that Wendy is telling the story to her daughter Jane. So in this event, what we see are the recollections of a thirty-something woman trying to remember what she did when she was twelve. Her memories might have blended together so that maybe in real life that's not what happened but Wendy remembers it that way.
** And maybe she doesn't know about Hook's ArchEnemy, and that's why the story is about Cinderella fighting the pirates rather than Peter.
** The original ending would clarify that Wendy is telling the story to her daughter Jane. So in this event, what we see are the recollections of a thirty-something woman trying to remember what she did when she was twelve. Her memories might have blended together so that maybe in real life that's not what happened but Wendy remembers it that way.
** And maybe she doesn't know about Hook's ArchEnemy, and that's why the story is about Cinderella fighting the pirates rather than Peter.
** This is Edwardian England. Miss Fulson is said to be a huge prude, so she's more outraged by the idea that a girl in her class could be having such blatant sexual fantasies. And we don't know what was in the letter she sent to George, or what else Wendy told her. From what little of Miss Fulson is shown, she appears to be a strict, grumpy schoolmarm - and being annoyed at a child in her class misbehaving would be more in character than worrying for what the child gets up to at home. Remember that Victorian and Edwardian society placed a strong emphasis on discipline and making sure children were kept in line (it was only a couple of decades before this takes place that lying was considered one of the worst sins a child could commit).
** When Miss Fulsom is giving the boy the letter, Wendy is sitting outside the classroom and he sneers at her. That's also how she recognises him when she sees him on the street later.
** She ''does''. When she hears Peter rolling around with his shadow, she goes up to investigate...and finds the nursery empty and all three children sound asleep. She's reading ''War of the Worlds'' and seems to blame the book for making her think something was happening upstairs. And once Wendy wakes up, all her and Peter do is talk at a reasonable volume that Aunt Millicent wouldn't hear from downstairs. Maybe she heard John fall off the bed when trying to fly, but maybe Nana's barking drowned that out. Once the children start flying, they logically wouldn't be making too much noise since they're floating in mid-air.
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** It just spent a lot of time in the water, so it's bound to be heavier when it's wet. And Michael does do it rather forcefully, which would cause some pain regardless of how heavy the bear is.
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* At the beginning, Wendy tells an story about Cinderella fighting against Captain Hook and his crew. However, when she later meets Peter Pan, it's implied that this is the first time she meets or knows about him, given that she asks him for his name. How did Wendy know about Captain Hook but not about his archenemy?
* Why does Miss Fulson assume that Wendy is having sexual fantasies with a flying boy? Instead of reprimanding Wendy, shouldn’t she be alerted by the drawing? Wendy’s drawing could possibly mean that she is being targeted by a predator who sneaks into her house during the night.
* How does the Messenger Boy know who Wendy Darling is upon going to the bank to deliver the letter to Mr. Darling? She could have been a random girl who was walking home with her brothers and her dog. The film takes place in a time where no cellphones existed, so Miss Fulsom couldn't have shown him a picture of Wendy to warn him about her if she tried to take the letter from him.
* How doesn't Aunt Millicent become aware of Peter Pan's presence with all that noise coming from the children's nursery?
* What has Michael's teddy bear got inside that is so heavy that it can hurt a pirate's groin? Or is it the pirate's groin that's so sensitive?
* At the beginning, Wendy tells an story about Cinderella fighting against Captain Hook and his crew. However, when she later meets Peter Pan, it's implied that this is the first time she meets or knows about him, given that she asks him for his name. How did Wendy know about Captain Hook but not about his archenemy?
* Why does Miss Fulson assume that Wendy is having sexual fantasies with a flying boy? Instead of reprimanding Wendy, shouldn’t she be alerted by the drawing? Wendy’s drawing could possibly mean that she is being targeted by a predator who sneaks into her house during the night.
* How does the Messenger Boy know who Wendy Darling is upon going to the bank to deliver the letter to Mr. Darling? She could have been a random girl who was walking home with her brothers and her dog. The film takes place in a time where no cellphones existed, so Miss Fulsom couldn't have shown him a picture of Wendy to warn him about her if she tried to take the letter from him.
* How doesn't Aunt Millicent become aware of Peter Pan's presence with all that noise coming from the children's nursery?
* What has Michael's teddy bear got inside that is so heavy that it can hurt a pirate's groin? Or is it the pirate's groin that's so sensitive?
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** In the book, it's said that the ''first'' baby's laugh resulted in the birth of the fairies.
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** In the book, it's said that the ''first'' baby's laugh resulted in the birth of the fairies.fairies.
* If Captain Hook is terrified of the crocodile and never allowed to be calm due to his constant stalking, why does it never occur to Hook to order his men to shoot at the beast to get rid of it? In the Disney movie, for example, the crocodile was waiting for him in the water, and Hook could have used the opportunity to have his men use their pistols and muskets to shoot the crocodile dead.
* If Captain Hook is terrified of the crocodile and never allowed to be calm due to his constant stalking, why does it never occur to Hook to order his men to shoot at the beast to get rid of it? In the Disney movie, for example, the crocodile was waiting for him in the water, and Hook could have used the opportunity to have his men use their pistols and muskets to shoot the crocodile dead.
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** This appears to be an invention of the film, since in the book they're gone for a while, and their parents are worried sick about them. The film suggests that Neverland could be just a dream of Wendy's. Or it might be like [[Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia Narnia]], where it's a YearInsideHourOutside.
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** Here's a neat psychological analysis of the idea; Neverland is essentially created by children's stories and beliefs. It's like when one reads a book and pictures the characters a different way to how someone else might. Wendy pictures her own father when imagining Captain Hook, because he's often the villain in real life putting a stop to the children's fun and insisting they act more grown up. Peter Pan and the Lost Boys are FreeRangeChildren who get to do whatever they want all the time, and no one tells them what to do. Hook meanwhile is the predatory adult who keeps interrupting their fun by trying to kill them. In both situations, the children have a special place where they play all their games. George's inciting incident is telling Wendy that she has to leave the nursery (specifically to put a stop to their games), while Hook's plan is to find the hideout and kidnap them.
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** He's a pirate. He's used to having to read a map to get anywhere. And while the movie doesn't say that it's as in the book, where fairies are so small they only have room for one emotion at a time, Tinkerbell's angry jealousy might be fading and she may be already starting to feel bad about selling Peter out.
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** Because they're born in Neverland, as is shown in Disney's ''Tinker Bell'' movie.
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** In the book, it's said that the ''first'' baby's laugh resulted in the birth of the fairies.
** In the book, it's said that the ''first'' baby's laugh resulted in the birth of the fairies.
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*** And in the 1924 adaptation, which was personally overseen by him, Hook and Mr Darling are played by different actors.
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** Peter also has a MultipleChoicePast (in his first appearance in JM Barrie's short stories, he was half-bird), and Neverland seems to dull the perception of time and memory, so he probably doesn't even know how old he is.
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** In the 2003 film, Hook says it specifically to kill the fairy guide, and adults like the Darling parents and Aunt Millicent say they do believe to resurrect Tinkerbell - so adults presumably can say it as well.
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** Intent must matter. In most works, Peter actually says the line as he tells Wendy "Every time someone says 'I don't believe in fairies' a fairy dies." He'd be killing off a fairy by saying that, if merely pronouncing the sentence was enough.
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** Bit of a FridgeBrilliance thing here if you know the original book and play: The twins ''aren't'' SingleMindedTwins, but Peter (who doesn't have a realistic view on what twins are) thinks they ''should'' be... and so, they're always trying their best to ''appear'' as if they are. Since they're not actually very good at the "speaking in unison" thing, they instead use the tactic of echoing each other as if they truly were thinking alike.
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*Was the time different in Neverland? Wendy and the boys were there for well over a day and yet they got home safely before their parents arrived. Their parents would have only been gone at the party for a few hours.
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** Additionally, certain properties establish that time in Neverland passes differently than in the real world. Even in the Disney version, in the original film the Darling children only seemed to be away from home for one night, and the same is true for Jane's adventure in this one. Not enough time might have passed for Hook to consider Wendy having grown up already.
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** Additionally, certain properties establish that time in Neverland passes differently than in the real world. Even in the Disney version, in the original film the Darling children only seemed to be away from home for one night, and the same is true for Jane's adventure in this one. Not enough time might have passed for Hook to stop and consider Wendy having it odd that "Wendy" hadn't grown up already.
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** Additionally, certain properties establish that time in Neverland passes differently than in the real world. Even in the Disney version, in the original film the Darling children only seemed to be away from home for one night, and the same is true for Jane's adventure in this one. Not enough time might have passed for Hook to consider Wendy having grown up already.
