History Headscratchers / KamenRiderFourze

*** But, in Megamax, Nadeshiko made a few new Burgermeals out of SOLU, which one can see Yuuki throwing at the Mutamid during Gentaro's HeroicBSOD, thus providing a few extra Burgermeals. And we know they'll stick around, because the S-1 switch did too.

* Anyone feel awkward that the show never tells how the gang retrieve [[spoiler:Sonada, Kijima and Suguira]] from the M-Bus?

** [[spoiler: Technically you could say that the core switch was part of Kengo's body for the most part. Also consider his body was made of cosmic energy (or in other words not exactly organic) so take that as you will.]]

** [[SincereMode How hot ''is'' re-entry compared to molten metal?]] I think it's molten metal, it was certainly a factory of some sorts. Regardless, everything has a limit of punishment it can take. The Fourze Driver is a man-made piece of technology and has survived re-entry multiple times, but its heat protection probably wasn't intended to survive prolong exposure to extremely high temperatures. Re-entry takes how long?

** [[SincereMode How hot ''is'' re-entry compared to molten metal?]] I think it's molten metal, it was certainly a factory of some sorts. Regardless, everything has a limit of punishment it can take. The Fourze Driver is a man-made piece of technology and has survived re-entry multiple times, but its heat protection probably wasn't intended to survive prolong exposure to extremely high temperatures. Re-entry takes how long?

* What's been bugging me for so long was Misa Toriizak's behavior in #24. How and why did she change from sweet and white, to black and bitchy and somehow commandeer the Cygnus Cult to make Eguchi into Cygnus?

* If Gamou/Red-Eyed Man's thing is that he wants to find all of the horoscopes, why is he willing to send them to the Dark Nebula?

** To add to that, suspending someone won't exactly stop them from appearing in school dressed as a rocket with masks on

** Maybe highschool is just harder than he expected. Some people do great in middle school, but totally bomb when it comes to highschool. Also he's probably not getting a lot of time to work on his studies due to zodiarts

**** Except it's never said that Aries is the one who gave Jiro the switch; in fact, it's never said where Jiro got the switch at all, since neither he nor Ryuusei were initially students at Amanogawa. Ryuusei is looking for the Aries Zodiarts because that Zodiarts has a special power that can help Jiro recover. As for how Ryuusei knows that Aries is the one he wants, we can safely assume that Tachibana told him.

* Is Tachibana a jackass or an idiot? The price for Ryuusei having his secret identity revealed was to lose the power of Meteor. Fine until you realize that in the past there have been situations where Riders are knocked out of suit due to injury or have their belt stolen from them only to get it back. You're telling me he would have never allowed Ryusei to transform again if either happened? And the fact that Tachibana is so petty about this that when Ryusei could be killed by Cancer very easily, he just stood there and did nothing. From a practical standpoint, you lose your one soldier. The guy who has already infiltrated KRC, is trained in Jeet Kune Do, and does absolutely everything you say. From a human standpoint ''you just left someone to die whom you could have saved easily''. I mean, press a button and the problem is solved. Sure Gentaro showed up, but it didn't seem like Tachibana would have done anything anyway.
** Just because other riders can get knocked out of transformation doesn't mean Ryuusei can. Also Tachibana doesn't care about Ryusei as a person. His job is to fight the Zodiarts. That's all.

* Is it just me or are the Horoscopes that find out Meteor's identity stupid? Do they ever tell Gamou that Ryuusei is Kamen Rider Meteor?

* Why is anyone still friends with Ryuusei after episode 32 considering he [[spoiler: murdered Gentaro? He killed the dude who just wanted to be friends with everyone for the sake of his own friend. I just feel like the KRC's reaction to actual death was incredibly anti-climactic and for what it's worth, kind of just unrealistic.]] I get that they were in a bad position and kind of had no time to even worry about it right then, but I mean come on -- [[spoiler: he killed their friend. Killed him dead. In their heads, he was gone forever.]] The only person with a mildly appropriate reaction was Kengo. I understand Gentaro forgiving him when it was all over, because well, that's just what he's like, but [[spoiler: if someone killed my friend I'd be pretty damn bitter about it.]] Sure, they need Meteor's help, but it doesn't mean they have to like him.

** Why would [[spoiler: Nadeshiko want it back? She made it specifically for Gentarou to use, and she's not gonna have any use for it as sentient energy.]]

* Why is anyone still friends with Ryuusei after episode 32 considering he [[spoiler: murdered Gentarou? He killed the dude who just wanted to be friends with everyone for the sake of his own friend. I just feel like the KRC's reaction to actual death was incredibly anti-climactic and for what it's worth, kind of just unrealistic.]] I get that they were in a bad position and kind of had no time to even worry about it right then, but I mean come on -- [[spoiler: he killed their friend. Killed him dead. In their heads, he was gone forever.]] The only person with a mildly appropriate reaction was Kengo. I understand Gentarou forgiving him when it was all over, because well, that's just what he's like, but [[spoiler: if someone killed my friend I'd be pretty damn bitter about it.]] Sure, they need Meteor's help, but it doesn't mean they have to like him.

*** Gentarou's been a ''really'' good influence on the club. Plus, it's worth pointing out that [[spoiler: Ryusei was willing to get himself killed to save the rest of the club, not out of a desire for forgiveness, but he wanted to at least ''try'' to do something good after he'd done something as horrible as he had. It's not like he ''enjoyed'' killing Gen, and eventually he realized that it really, really wasn't worth it.]]

*** Exactly. No matter how you cut it, Kannagi was a complete monster. Take a look, he's ''laughing'' as he kills Nadeshiko. Gamou had pure motives that got corrupted, Kannagi was just a psychopath who believed he deserved to rule the entire universe. And let's not even get into what he did to the legendary seven Riders... if Gentarou hadn't noticed that briefcase, they would have been stuck like that ''forever.''

** I believe the list of Zodiarts Supernovas goes a little bit beyond that list. This is what I've taken from the series:
Aries - new form, brief transformation, making him much more physically apt
Taurus - never used (probably never achieved; if I had to make a guess, it would probably be something similar to Aries)
Gemini - explosive clone
Cancer - larger monstrous form
Leo - (supposedly) the ability to use any Zodiarts Switch at his will; since Supernova is either a new form or a new ability, this could've been achieved by such
Virgo - never used (though, I think it is a little bit odd, since he has been one of the oldest Zodiarts, at the very least since the beginning of the series. If I had to make a wild guess, I would say the use of the Dark Nebula could be his Supernova, since in the movie it wasn't seen being used by Virgo's clone, at least that I remember)
Libra - Eye of Laplace, in order to peek into people and find out if they have the potential to become a Zodiarts
Scorpio - larger monstrous form
Sagittarius - new form, highly powering it up and maybe even allowing him to use the abilities of other Zodiarts (like Leo's multi-switch and Gemini's cloning)
Capricorn - never used, but it was achieved (if I had to guess, probably it would be like Aries)
Aquarius - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something along the lines of a special ability, much like Gemini's)
Pisces - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something similar to what happens to Aries)

* What's been bugging me for so long was Misa Toriizak's behavior in #24. How and why did she change from sweet and white, to black and bitchy and somehow commandeer the Cygnus Cult to make Eguchi into Cygnus?!

*** Nevertheless, it was established since very early on that the Horoscopes are the ones who hand out the switches to students, which means that the switch Ryusei's friend had should have been given to him by Aries. Why Ryusei's not looking for the actual Aries and is instead looking ffor someone to potentially evolve into Aries, which should already exist by now due to Ryusei's friend having the switch, genuinely makes no sense.

** The case is a bit different here : the switch ''blew up Jiro's face'' when he was trying to transform and his soul is now stuck... sowewhere. That's why Ryusei's trying to find a candidate for Aries : he thinks that completing the transformation will allow him to get the soul back.

* So wait, the Fourze Driver can survive re-entry [[spoiler:if it's in a lava pit, it's screwed?]]

** Gamou seems to know some parts of a Horoscope's development, like when he commented on the Eye of Laplace, seemingly knowing its function. There's also the part where Leo explains how Gemini is different from the others, which he presumably learnt from Gamou. The horoscopes seem to already exist within the Hole above AGHS, since Gamou seems to be able to perceive them in his red room, so maybe they just need appropriate hosts? Basically, I think Gamou ''is'' capable of knowing how a horoscope switch works, at least to a certain extent.

** In episode 13 it was established that at least the mothers are swayed very easily by the principal's good looks. Have no clue about the rest though.

* How did Gamou know that the Pisces Horoscope switch needed to be pushed voluntarily in order to properly evolve? There is no precedent for this. Logically in order for Gamou to know how a switch will evolve and what powers it will have, he would have to have already seen it happen (the same applied to Tachibana knowing about Aries’ sleep powers before it existed). But if that were true, he would already have a Pisces switch and wouldn’t need to make one. Even if Gamou made the Zodiarts switches he shouldn’t have knowledge of their evolutionary potential before it happens.

* Where did Gamou get the twelve Horoscope switches in TheMovie? We know that this is a second set because Libra and Leo are involved in the fight over the switches, so how were these made? They seem less powerful than the originals and Gamou wouldn’t sell them if they were able to lead him to the Presenters, so what makes these ones different? For that matter, how did Inga create the Horoscopes without switchers and if they are dummies, why do they speak?

** Oh, and here is the link to the switch combos: http://www.jefusion.com/2012/04/kamen-rider-fourze-cancer-revived.html

*** It also helps that Kengo already asked Gentaro to forgive Gamou.

*** Exactly. No matter how you cut it, Kannagi was a complete monster. Take a look, he's ''laughing'' as he kills Nadeshiko. Gamou had pure motives that got corrupted, Kannagi was just a psychopath who believed he deserved to rule the entire universe. And let's not even get into what he did to the legendary seven Riders... if Gentarou hadn't noticed that briefcase, they would have been stuck like that ''forever.''