History Headscratchers / KamenRiderFourze

28th Jan '16 3:43:28 AM ZeroWizard
Is there an issue? Send a Message


**** Except it's never said that Aries is the one who gave Jiro the switch; in fact, it's never said where Jiro got the switch at all, since neither he nor Ryuusei were initially students at Amanogawa. Ryuusei is looking for the Aries Zodiarts because that Zodiarts has a special power that can help Jiro recover. As for how Ryuusei knows that Aries is the one he wants, we can safely assume that Tachibana told him.

to:

**** Except it's never said that Aries is the one who gave Jiro the switch; in fact, it's never said where Jiro got the switch at all, since neither he nor Ryuusei Ryusei were initially students at Amanogawa. Ryuusei Ryusei is looking for the Aries Zodiarts because that Zodiarts has a special power that can help Jiro recover. As for how Ryuusei Ryusei knows that Aries is the one he wants, we can safely assume that Tachibana told him.



* Is Tachibana a jackass or an idiot? The price for Ryuusei having his secret identity revealed was to lose the power of Meteor. Fine until you realize that in the past there have been situations where Riders are knocked out of suit due to injury or have their belt stolen from them only to get it back. You're telling me he would have never allowed Ryusei to transform again if either happened? And the fact that Tachibana is so petty about this that when Ryusei could be killed by Cancer very easily, he just stood there and did nothing. From a practical standpoint, you lose your one soldier. The guy who has already infiltrated KRC, is trained in Jeet Kune Do, and does absolutely everything you say. From a human standpoint ''you just left someone to die whom you could have saved easily''. I mean, press a button and the problem is solved. Sure Gentaro showed up, but it didn't seem like Tachibana would have done anything anyway.
** Just because other riders can get knocked out of transformation doesn't mean Ryuusei can. Also Tachibana doesn't care about Ryusei as a person. His job is to fight the Zodiarts. That's all.

to:

* Is Tachibana a jackass or an idiot? The price for Ryuusei Ryusei having his secret identity revealed was to lose the power of Meteor. Fine until you realize that in the past there have been situations where Riders are knocked out of suit due to injury or have their belt stolen from them only to get it back. You're telling me he would have never allowed Ryusei to transform again if either happened? And the fact that Tachibana is so petty about this that when Ryusei could be killed by Cancer very easily, he just stood there and did nothing. From a practical standpoint, you lose your one soldier. The guy who has already infiltrated KRC, is trained in Jeet Kune Do, and does absolutely everything you say. From a human standpoint ''you just left someone to die whom you could have saved easily''. I mean, press a button and the problem is solved. Sure Gentaro showed up, but it didn't seem like Tachibana would have done anything anyway.
** Just because other riders can get knocked out of transformation doesn't mean Ryuusei Ryusei can. Also Tachibana doesn't care about Ryusei as a person. His job is to fight the Zodiarts. That's all.



* Is it just me or are the Horoscopes that find out Meteor's identity stupid? Do they ever tell Gamou that Ryuusei is Kamen Rider Meteor?

to:

* Is it just me or are the Horoscopes that find out Meteor's identity stupid? Do they ever tell Gamou that Ryuusei Ryusei is Kamen Rider Meteor?



* Why is anyone still friends with Ryuusei after episode 32 considering he [[spoiler: murdered Gentaro? He killed the dude who just wanted to be friends with everyone for the sake of his own friend. I just feel like the KRC's reaction to actual death was incredibly anti-climactic and for what it's worth, kind of just unrealistic.]] I get that they were in a bad position and kind of had no time to even worry about it right then, but I mean come on -- [[spoiler: he killed their friend. Killed him dead. In their heads, he was gone forever.]] The only person with a mildly appropriate reaction was Kengo. I understand Gentaro forgiving him when it was all over, because well, that's just what he's like, but [[spoiler: if someone killed my friend I'd be pretty damn bitter about it.]] Sure, they need Meteor's help, but it doesn't mean they have to like him.

to:

* Why is anyone still friends with Ryuusei Ryusei after episode 32 considering he [[spoiler: murdered Gentaro? He killed the dude who just wanted to be friends with everyone for the sake of his own friend. I just feel like the KRC's reaction to actual death was incredibly anti-climactic and for what it's worth, kind of just unrealistic.]] I get that they were in a bad position and kind of had no time to even worry about it right then, but I mean come on -- [[spoiler: he killed their friend. Killed him dead. In their heads, he was gone forever.]] The only person with a mildly appropriate reaction was Kengo. I understand Gentaro forgiving him when it was all over, because well, that's just what he's like, but [[spoiler: if someone killed my friend I'd be pretty damn bitter about it.]] Sure, they need Meteor's help, but it doesn't mean they have to like him.
28th Jan '16 3:31:19 AM ZeroWizard
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Why would [[spoiler: Nadeshiko want it back? She made it specifically for Gentarou to use, and she's not gonna have any use for it as sentient energy.]]

to:

** Why would [[spoiler: Nadeshiko want it back? She made it specifically for Gentarou Gentaro to use, and she's not gonna have any use for it as sentient energy.]]



* Why is anyone still friends with Ryuusei after episode 32 considering he [[spoiler: murdered Gentarou? He killed the dude who just wanted to be friends with everyone for the sake of his own friend. I just feel like the KRC's reaction to actual death was incredibly anti-climactic and for what it's worth, kind of just unrealistic.]] I get that they were in a bad position and kind of had no time to even worry about it right then, but I mean come on -- [[spoiler: he killed their friend. Killed him dead. In their heads, he was gone forever.]] The only person with a mildly appropriate reaction was Kengo. I understand Gentarou forgiving him when it was all over, because well, that's just what he's like, but [[spoiler: if someone killed my friend I'd be pretty damn bitter about it.]] Sure, they need Meteor's help, but it doesn't mean they have to like him.

to:

* Why is anyone still friends with Ryuusei after episode 32 considering he [[spoiler: murdered Gentarou? Gentaro? He killed the dude who just wanted to be friends with everyone for the sake of his own friend. I just feel like the KRC's reaction to actual death was incredibly anti-climactic and for what it's worth, kind of just unrealistic.]] I get that they were in a bad position and kind of had no time to even worry about it right then, but I mean come on -- [[spoiler: he killed their friend. Killed him dead. In their heads, he was gone forever.]] The only person with a mildly appropriate reaction was Kengo. I understand Gentarou Gentaro forgiving him when it was all over, because well, that's just what he's like, but [[spoiler: if someone killed my friend I'd be pretty damn bitter about it.]] Sure, they need Meteor's help, but it doesn't mean they have to like him.



*** Gentarou's been a ''really'' good influence on the club. Plus, it's worth pointing out that [[spoiler: Ryusei was willing to get himself killed to save the rest of the club, not out of a desire for forgiveness, but he wanted to at least ''try'' to do something good after he'd done something as horrible as he had. It's not like he ''enjoyed'' killing Gen, and eventually he realized that it really, really wasn't worth it.]]

to:

*** Gentarou's Gentaro's been a ''really'' good influence on the club. Plus, it's worth pointing out that [[spoiler: Ryusei was willing to get himself killed to save the rest of the club, not out of a desire for forgiveness, but he wanted to at least ''try'' to do something good after he'd done something as horrible as he had. It's not like he ''enjoyed'' killing Gen, and eventually he realized that it really, really wasn't worth it.]]



*** Exactly. No matter how you cut it, Kannagi was a complete monster. Take a look, he's ''laughing'' as he kills Nadeshiko. Gamou had pure motives that got corrupted, Kannagi was just a psychopath who believed he deserved to rule the entire universe. And let's not even get into what he did to the legendary seven Riders... if Gentarou hadn't noticed that briefcase, they would have been stuck like that ''forever.''

to:

*** Exactly. No matter how you cut it, Kannagi was a complete monster. Take a look, he's ''laughing'' as he kills Nadeshiko. Gamou had pure motives that got corrupted, Kannagi was just a psychopath who believed he deserved to rule the entire universe. And let's not even get into what he did to the legendary seven Riders... if Gentarou Gentaro hadn't noticed that briefcase, they would have been stuck like that ''forever.''
11th Aug '15 7:43:53 AM TatsuyaLZ
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** I believe the list of Zodiarts Supernovas goes a little bit beyond that list. This is what I've taken from the series:
Aries - new form, brief transformation, making him much more physically apt
Taurus - never used (probably never achieved; if I had to make a guess, it would probably be something similar to Aries)
Gemini - explosive clone
Cancer - larger monstrous form
Leo - (supposedly) the ability to use any Zodiarts Switch at his will; since Supernova is either a new form or a new ability, this could've been achieved by such
Virgo - never used (though, I think it is a little bit odd, since he has been one of the oldest Zodiarts, at the very least since the beginning of the series. If I had to make a wild guess, I would say the use of the Dark Nebula could be his Supernova, since in the movie it wasn't seen being used by Virgo's clone, at least that I remember)
Libra - Eye of Laplace, in order to peek into people and find out if they have the potential to become a Zodiarts
Scorpio - larger monstrous form
Sagittarius - new form, highly powering it up and maybe even allowing him to use the abilities of other Zodiarts (like Leo's multi-switch and Gemini's cloning)
Capricorn - never used, but it was achieved (if I had to guess, probably it would be like Aries)
Aquarius - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something along the lines of a special ability, much like Gemini's)
Pisces - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something similar to what happens to Aries)

to:

** I **I believe the list of Zodiarts Supernovas goes a little bit beyond that list. This is what I've taken from the series:
series: Aries - new form, brief transformation, making him much more physically apt
apt ; Taurus - never used (probably never achieved; if I had to make a guess, it would probably be something similar to Aries)
Aries) ; Gemini - explosive clone
clone ; Cancer - larger monstrous form
form ; Leo - (supposedly) the ability to use any Zodiarts Switch at his will; since Supernova is either a new form or a new ability, this could've been achieved by such
such ; Virgo - never used (though, I think it is a little bit odd, since he has been one of the oldest Zodiarts, at the very least since the beginning of the series. If I had to make a wild guess, I would say the use of the Dark Nebula could be his Supernova, since in the movie it wasn't seen being used by Virgo's clone, at least that as far as I remember)
remember) ; Libra - Eye of Laplace, in order to peek into people and find out if they have the potential to become a Zodiarts
Zodiarts ; Scorpio - larger monstrous form
form ; Sagittarius - new form, highly powering it up and maybe even allowing him to use the abilities of other Zodiarts (like Leo's multi-switch and Gemini's cloning)
cloning) ; Capricorn - never used, but it was achieved (if I had to guess, probably it would be like Aries)
Aries) ; Aquarius - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something along the lines of a special ability, much like Gemini's)
Gemini's or Libra's) ; Pisces - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something similar to what happens to Aries)
Cancer and Scorpio) ; all my guesses have to do with the fact that there appears to be a pattern related to the abilities gained by the 'type' of Zodiarts: land animals change form but only slightly (Leo kinda falls in the category since he changes between switches), sea animals and (by extent) anthropoids gain a monstrous form, and human and object based gain a special ability. That's my theory.
11th Aug '15 7:37:40 AM TatsuyaLZ
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

**I believe the list of Zodiarts Supernovas goes a little bit beyond that list. This is what I've taken from the series:
Aries - new form, brief transformation, making him much more physically apt
Taurus - never used (probably never achieved; if I had to make a guess, it would probably be something similar to Aries)
Gemini - explosive clone
Cancer - larger monstrous form
Leo - (supposedly) the ability to use any Zodiarts Switch at his will; since Supernova is either a new form or a new ability, this could've been achieved by such
Virgo - never used (though, I think it is a little bit odd, since he has been one of the oldest Zodiarts, at the very least since the beginning of the series. If I had to make a wild guess, I would say the use of the Dark Nebula could be his Supernova, since in the movie it wasn't seen being used by Virgo's clone, at least that I remember)
Libra - Eye of Laplace, in order to peek into people and find out if they have the potential to become a Zodiarts
Scorpio - larger monstrous form
Sagittarius - new form, highly powering it up and maybe even allowing him to use the abilities of other Zodiarts (like Leo's multi-switch and Gemini's cloning)
Capricorn - never used, but it was achieved (if I had to guess, probably it would be like Aries)
Aquarius - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something along the lines of a special ability, much like Gemini's)
Pisces - never used (never achieved; if I had to guess, it would be something similar to what happens to Aries)
15th Feb '15 8:17:38 PM td1989
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

*** While their actions at times were extreme most of their base reasons were sympathetic: Miura was angry at being unfairly benched, Tamae was sick of being in Miu's shadow, Nitta was furious at what JK did, Satake was bitter at his domineering father, Ritsuko was unjustly ostracized by both students and teachers for something she never asked for, Motoyama just wanted to work on his art with no distractions, Kimio was jealous of people smarter than him, Jin I don't know since he was sent specifically to assassinate Fourze and Meteor, Eguchi was suffering from split personality so he himself can't be blamed for Cygnus's actions, Yayoi didn't want to leave the place she loved the most. Makise, Kijima, and Yamada on the other hand seemed genuinely crazy. My guess is the Zodiarts switches magnify desires to the point of making people insane.



* What's been bugging me for so long was Misa Toriizak's behavior in #24. How and why did she change from sweet and white, to black and bitchy and somehow commandeer the Cygnus Cult to make Eguchi into Cygnus?!

to:

* What's been bugging me for so long was Misa Toriizak's behavior in #24. How and why did she change from sweet and white, to black and bitchy and somehow commandeer the Cygnus Cult to make Eguchi into Cygnus?!
Cygnus?
** She seemed bitchy from the beginning and the costume change was symbolic.
18th Dec '14 7:22:04 PM Loonrider
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** Nevertheless, it was established since very early on that the Horoscopes are the ones who hand out the switches to students, which means that the switch Ryusei's friend had should have been given to him by Aries. Why Ryusei's not looking for the actual Aries and is instead looking ffor someone to potentially evolve into Aries, which should already exist by now due to Ryusei's friend having the switch, genuinely makes no sense.

to:

*** Nevertheless, it was established since very early on that the Horoscopes are the ones who hand out the switches to students, which means that the switch Ryusei's friend had should have been given to him by Aries. Why Ryusei's not looking for the actual Aries and is instead looking ffor for someone to potentially evolve into Aries, which should already exist by now due to Ryusei's friend having the switch, genuinely makes no sense.
**** Except it's never said that Aries is the one who gave Jiro the switch; in fact, it's never said where Jiro got the switch at all, since neither he nor Ryuusei were initially students at Amanogawa. Ryuusei is looking for the Aries Zodiarts because that Zodiarts has a special power that can help Jiro recover. As for how Ryuusei knows that Aries is the one he wants, we can safely assume that Tachibana told him.
6th Jul '14 9:35:24 PM PersonaKing
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

** To be fair, most of the Zodiarts were defeated by Cosmic States teleporting them into space and finishing them there. And Meteor Storm absorbed the explosion from Cancer. So only three were defeated on Earth, did not cause a city-wide explosion, and had no real explanation why (although Aquarius and Sagittarius can be debated).
18th Feb '14 7:55:58 PM Dragga
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** From an in-story point of view, it seemed more like there was also little other need for it. He was content with the performances of the other switches for such a role, and only used it then because they weren't cutting it.
10th Feb '14 12:09:24 AM remtar85
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The case is a bit different here : the switch ''blew up Jiro's face'' when he was trying to transform and his soul is now stuck... sowewhere. That's why Ryusei's trying to find a candidate for Aries : he thinks that completing the transformation will allow him to get the soul back.

to:

** The case is a bit different here : the switch ''blew up Jiro's face'' when he was trying to transform and his soul is now stuck... sowewhere.somewhere. That's why Ryusei's trying to find a candidate for Aries : he thinks that completing the transformation will allow him to get the soul back.




to:

*** Nevertheless, it was established since very early on that the Horoscopes are the ones who hand out the switches to students, which means that the switch Ryusei's friend had should have been given to him by Aries. Why Ryusei's not looking for the actual Aries and is instead looking ffor someone to potentially evolve into Aries, which should already exist by now due to Ryusei's friend having the switch, genuinely makes no sense.
6th Jan '14 10:50:18 PM PutotyraNoZarus
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* So wait, the Fourze Driver can survive re-entry [[spoiler:if it's in a lava pit, it's screwed?]]

to:

* So wait, the Fourze Driver can survive re-entry [[spoiler:if it's in a lava pit, it's screwed?]]screwed?]]
** [[SincereMode How hot ''is'' re-entry compared to molten metal?]] I think it's molten metal, it was certainly a factory of some sorts. Regardless, everything has a limit of punishment it can take. The Fourze Driver is a man-made piece of technology and has survived re-entry multiple times, but its heat protection probably wasn't intended to survive prolong exposure to extremely high temperatures. Re-entry takes how long?
This list shows the last 10 events of 140. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.KamenRiderFourze