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* Cait Sith is controlled by Reeve, who's spying for Shinra. This isn't a secret to Shinra, as they use him to attempt to have the Turks ambush Cloud and later straight up steal the Keystone for them. After the Temple of the Ancients however, Reeve turns on them and starts becoming a double agent for Cloud's party instead, messing up Tifa's execution, helping steal the Highwind, and giving them step by step info on Shinra's Huge Materia to plan to the point of the party (assuming the player doesn't screw up) showing up and interfering with every single one of their "Secret" operations. Despite this, nobody in Shinra does anything to Reeve until he demands Heidegger stand down and allow Cloud to enter Midgar, even allowing him to partake in all of their secret exec meetings even though he's feeding the info straight to Cloud. It's not like Reeve had appearances to keep up anymore, since Cait had already been exposed as a spy and Shinra had effectively already won against Avalanche with Cloud gone and Barret and Tifa arrested so all he did was ruin a sure victory. They should well know Reeve isn't on their side anymore the second Cait Sith popped up to save Barret and Tifa and Reeve should have been immediately arrested if not killed afterwards.
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* Cait Sith is controlled by Reeve, who's spying for Shinra. This isn't a secret to Shinra, as they use him to attempt to have the Turks ambush Cloud and later straight up steal the Keystone for them. After the Temple of the Ancients however, Reeve turns on them and starts becoming a double agent for Cloud's party instead, messing up Tifa's execution, helping steal the Highwind, and giving them step by step info on Shinra's Huge Materia to plan to the point of the party (assuming the player doesn't screw up) showing up and interfering with every single one of their "Secret" operations. Despite this, nobody in Shinra does anything to Reeve until he demands Heidegger stand down and allow Cloud to enter Midgar, even allowing him to partake in all of their secret exec meetings even though he's feeding the info straight to Cloud. It's not like Reeve had appearances to keep up anymore, since Cait had already been exposed as a spy and Shinra had effectively already won against Avalanche with Cloud gone and Barret and Tifa arrested so all he did was ruin a sure victory. They should well know Reeve isn't on their side anymore the second Cait Sith popped up to save Barret and Tifa and Reeve should have been immediately arrested if not killed afterwards.
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** Reeve's one of Shinra's Department heads and one of their most public figures in Midgar given he's in charge of developing it, and is the only exec who actually likes the people there and tries to be personable. Barret's been running operations against Shinra for a long time and almost certainly has info on all their higher ups for his attacks so he probably knows exactly who Reeve is and what he sounds out. But even if he hadn't, Barret HAS "met" Reeve or at least knows his name, what he looks like and what he sounds like from when he Cloud and Tifa were spying on the exec meeting from the vents when they infiltrated the Shinra building and Reeve in particular was a big part of the meeting as he reported the damage figures and cost to rebuild. As far as accents go, assuming the slip up in the English version is Cait talking in Reeve's distinctively different voice (it's never officially said if Cait's voice is just how the robot's voice unit is built to sound or if Reeve is a very skilled actor and doing the Cait voice himself) then that would be a big give away.
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*** Also Zangan is a world renowned martial artist who's was probably known by Shinra to have been in Nibelheim at the time of it's raising. Given they rounded up the survivors for Hojo's experiments, and how they rebuilt the town and probably don't want anyone who could point this out running around (granted when Cloud and Tifa do return the Shinra plants just deny it but Zangan's word probably carries more weight than theirs) Zangan can reasonably assume Shinra will probably not want him free and/or alive and staying in their capital city would be very dangerous. He'd constantly be looking over his shoulder for a Turk assassination attempt or worse. It's for his best interest to be as far away from Midgar as possible. Tifa would just seem to be a random girl to them, even if they knew there was a Tifa that was unaccounted for at Nibelheim they wouldn't be able to go off the name alone and it was a few years, so going off old info for a cowgirl tourguide, not a busty barmaid. Tifa could blend into the crowd at Midgar, Zangan can't and worse he'd hurt her chances of blending in by being with her since Shinra could possibly better identify Tifa as Zangan's Nibelheim student if he's hanging out a young woman with the same name who clearly has been trained in his fighting style.
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** It actually seems perfect in character for Shinra, who have basically been about short sighted abuse of science and get ahead quick techno advantages fromt he beginning to do this. These are the guys that jumped at the chance to make a huge monopoly on sucking out the life energy of the planet for quick riches and power without caring that maybe using the life energy of the planet as a cheap resource might be bad long term. Them going "oh boy we can use Hojo's horrific research on people to get super soldiers to kick ass for us and help us conquer our enemies, do it do it" without bothering to think that maybe some of these guys might go crazy turn on them and be too dangerous to stop because of the power they gave them seems right up their alley.
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** I see it as Shinra's UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans way of rationalizing their current Mako extraction based-world order that would otherwise wipe out the biosphere within a few generations. The "good times" don't have to end, they can have their cake and eat it too, ushering in a new post-scarcity society of free energy simply by doubling down on what they're already doing.
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** Based on how Scarlet tries to get Barret to talk Dyne into accepting Shinra and the reactor in the flashback, as well as the towns comments back Barret being a "techno freak" it always seemed to me that Barret was the loudest champion of Shinra and switching to Mako energy and being one of the most senior miners and respected member of the town basically was the one Shinra approached to talk the whole town into it which Barret agreed because he believed in Shinra's future through technology pitches and wanted to spare his family and town the pain and stress of living a coal miner's life (which can be very dangerous and rough and usually ends with the miners having a whole host of health problems). Hence the town blames him because Barret was the one that basically talked them all into it with "We should welcome Shinra, they'll give us Mako power and technology and we won't have to half kill ourselves mining coal anymore" only for Shinra to promptly destroy the town and kill most of them anyway and they blame Barret for getting them involved instead of just sucking it up and living a poor and harsh life that at least wouldn't have gotten the town destroyed. It would also explain why Barret took it so personally. He believed in Shinra and they screwed him over.
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** Answered with recent lore: Elmyra's husband came from a wealthy family who did business with Shinra.
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*** Exactly. Until Zack became unexpectedly popular and they gradually retconned him to be one of the most powerful people in the setting, possibly even stronger than Cloud the original game shows Zack as not really being all that strong. We don't see his fight with Sephroth just him running after him into Jenova's chamber and getting tossed out defeated about 15 seconds later, which assuming Zack monologued at Sephiroth like he did in Crisis Core means he probably spent most of that time talking and got defeated near instantly. And he's taken out by a basic Shinra squad of two Troopers and a Commander. Crisis Core changes this to Zack having an epic several minutes long duel with Sephiroth before Sephiroth barely eeks out a win and Zack having to face off against what seems to be half the Shinra Troopers in Midgar to make him look ridiculously badass while also playing out his part in the original story but in the original Zack honestly comes off as pretty pathetic barring their escape from the lab.
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** For the youngsters out there, Vincent being the biological father of Sephiroth has been a matter of speculation for ''years'' until the compilation came out and discredited it. The scene where he gets all surprised after finding out that Hojo is indeed the father it's an obvious PlotHole that [[ShrugofGod nobody had bother to answer]]
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** For the youngsters out there, Vincent being the biological father of Sephiroth has been a matter of speculation for ''years'' until the compilation came out and discredited it. The scene where he gets all surprised after finding out that Hojo is indeed the father it's is an obvious PlotHole that [[ShrugofGod nobody had bother bothered to answer]]answer]].
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** The Ancients/Cetra were essentially humans attuned to the 'Planet'. They gradually turned their backs on nature and became regular humans. Even Cloud & co are able to hear the cries of the Planet from Cosmo Canyon, implying they still carry part of that lineage.
*** There's also the fact that Aerith lived in pretty much the only garden in Midgar. It's likely that her upbringing in an enviroment like that added to her already higher quantity of Cetra genes, basically a perfect blend of nature and nurture to attune her to the planet.
*** There's also the fact that Aerith lived in pretty much the only garden in Midgar. It's likely that her upbringing in an enviroment like that added to her already higher quantity of Cetra genes, basically a perfect blend of nature and nurture to attune her to the planet.
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** The Ancients/Cetra were essentially humans attuned to the 'Planet'. They gradually turned their backs on nature and became regular humans. Even Cloud & co co. are able to hear the cries of the Planet from Cosmo Canyon, implying they still carry part of that lineage.
*** There's also the fact that Aerith lived in pretty much the only garden in Midgar. It's likely that her upbringing in anenviroment environment like that added to her already higher quantity of Cetra genes, basically a perfect blend of nature and nurture to attune her to the planet.
*** There's also the fact that Aerith lived in pretty much the only garden in Midgar. It's likely that her upbringing in an
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* What does the "N" in Lifeform-Hojo N stand for?
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