History Headscratchers / FinalFantasyVII

4th Feb '18 5:44:13 AM M3
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4th Feb '18 5:11:45 AM M3
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** You ever sell a mastered "All" Materia? Fiscal problems go away forever once you do.
4th Feb '18 4:56:21 AM M3
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** Cloud had his obvious reasons. Tifa was connected to the Nibelheim episode and wanted to know more of the truth as well. Barrett didn't at first, but as Shinra and Sephiroth were after the same thing, the goals would cross. Aerith is along to learn of the Cetra but also needs protection from Shinra. Red XIII originally was going to leave at Cosmo Canyon, but the severity of Sephiroth's plans along with what Bugenhagen said about the planet's crisis (it shrieks in the observatory) coerced him further. Cait Sith's a spy, but unlike the other clowns at Shinra, he knows he's got bigger stakes involved with both Shinra and Sephiroth. Cid's there to fly planes.
21st Jan '18 4:22:56 PM Zozma
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** Cloud tells Cid why they're sabotaging Shinra when they're in the rocket. The Huge Material represents generations of invaluable Ancient Knowledge, and they plan on using it to counteract Meteor themselves. It's a combination of "this is too precious to lose" and "Shinra is using an invaluable, sophisticated tool as if it's a sledgehammer." With the resources and knowledge available to them, the heroes feel they have a much better chance of making use of the Huge Material than a company who consistently gets every aspect of the Planet wrong. It should have been brought up sooner in the story, but the game absolutely does address it.
20th Jan '18 2:25:14 PM Zozma
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** If Crisis Core taught you anything it *should* be that the EnsembleDarkhorse can change canon if the creators capitulate to the wild imaginations of the fanbase. In the original game Zack wasn't just one tier below Sephiroth, he was completely outclassed by those around him and the situation he was put in. Sure, a First Class Soldier probably should have been able to hold his own a little better, but the main point is that Zack wasn't a master class demigod before the extended universe came along and turned him into one.


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*** The ChosenOne (Sephiroth) is the villain, the Hero (Zack) is gunned down like a rabid dog by faceless mooks, the Main Character is a nobody who is more of a product of bad luck than destiny, the traditional Betty (Aeris) is the Veronica, and the traditional Veronica (Tifa) is the Betty. If you're looking for a point by point deconstruction tour de force you won't find one in Final Fantasy 7, but for its time FF7 was fairly smart and analytical in its picking at tropes and conventions that other RPGs took for granted.
18th Jan '18 7:29:23 PM JM1982
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** What's preventing you from deliberately changing his name to Nanaki? That's what I do every playthrough.


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** Considering Shinra's worldview, what else would they interpret it as? It's called a "land", and it's not hard to assume that, if the Ancients had these cool powers, that said land must be swimming in Mako. One of the elders in Cosmo Canyon alludes to there being no single "Promised Land", but Shinra certainly doesn't think so.
18th Jan '18 7:25:08 PM JM1982
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The Corel survivors seem to hold Barret as being uniquely responsible for the town's destruction, but the flashbacks make it clear that everyone except for Dyne was pushing for Shinra to take over. I can see Barret being too hard on himself, but why do the townsfolk take it out on him? From what little information we're given, they're just as responsible as he is.

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* The Corel survivors seem to hold Barret as being uniquely responsible for the town's destruction, but the flashbacks make it clear that everyone except for Dyne was pushing for Shinra to take over. I can see Barret being too hard on himself, but why do the townsfolk take it out on him? From what little information we're given, they're just as responsible as he is.is.
** We're witnessing TheScapegoat trope in action. It's all too common in RealLife for people to blame someone else for their problems as a way to avoid owning up to any responsibility on their part. The rest of the townsfolk are just as much to "blame"-and in fairness, as Tifa alludes to, the only thing Barret and the rest of the townsfolk are "guilty" of is negotiating in good faith with Shinra. One of the townsfolk you talk to in Corel even {{Lampshade}}s the issue, saying that everyone rationally knows what happened, but they won't be satisfied until someone specific takes the blame.



On one hand it's refreshing that Shinra is genre-savvy enough that they believe in the existence of the Promised Land when they see evidence of how special the Ancients were. On the other, isn't it a little absurd that they instantly jump to the conclusion that the Promised Land is: A) A physical location, B) Mako Rich, and C) Unquestionably worth the resources they're willing to expend to get there? President Shinra justifies causing a billion gil worth of damage to Midgar by asserting they'll build a New Midgar with the bounty they reap from the Promised Land, and Rufus seems to gear 100% of Shinra toward locating it. Did it never occur to any of the higher-ups that they were putting their eggs in one basket based purely on an interpretation of a mythical "fertile" land?

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* On one hand it's refreshing that Shinra is genre-savvy enough that they believe in the existence of the Promised Land when they see evidence of how special the Ancients were. On the other, isn't it a little absurd that they instantly jump to the conclusion that the Promised Land is: A) A physical location, B) Mako Rich, and C) Unquestionably worth the resources they're willing to expend to get there? President Shinra justifies causing a billion gil worth of damage to Midgar by asserting they'll build a New Midgar with the bounty they reap from the Promised Land, and Rufus seems to gear 100% of Shinra toward locating it. Did it never occur to any of the higher-ups that they were putting their eggs in one basket based purely on an interpretation of a mythical "fertile" land?
15th Jan '18 12:15:31 PM Zozma
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** In the original game SOLDIERs have the same fighting stance as Cloud and Zack. It's possible that this is simply the trained style used by most members of SOLDIER, and that Cloud either received some training during his attempt at joining or was able to pick up enough of it through analysis and personal practice.
15th Jan '18 11:54:37 AM Zozma
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** By the time the party leaves Midgar Shinra is spending its energy pursuing Sephiroth. Following Sephiroth essentially means following Rufus and the rest of Shinra's executives. That'd be enough incentive for Barret to follow Cloud even if he didn't believe that Sephiroth was a bigger threat to the planet than Shinra.



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The Corel survivors seem to hold Barret as being uniquely responsible for the town's destruction, but the flashbacks make it clear that everyone except for Dyne was pushing for Shinra to take over. I can see Barret being too hard on himself, but why do the townsfolk take it out on him? From what little information we're given, they're just as responsible as he is.





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On one hand it's refreshing that Shinra is genre-savvy enough that they believe in the existence of the Promised Land when they see evidence of how special the Ancients were. On the other, isn't it a little absurd that they instantly jump to the conclusion that the Promised Land is: A) A physical location, B) Mako Rich, and C) Unquestionably worth the resources they're willing to expend to get there? President Shinra justifies causing a billion gil worth of damage to Midgar by asserting they'll build a New Midgar with the bounty they reap from the Promised Land, and Rufus seems to gear 100% of Shinra toward locating it. Did it never occur to any of the higher-ups that they were putting their eggs in one basket based purely on an interpretation of a mythical "fertile" land?
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