History Headscratchers / FinalFantasyVII

23rd Mar '17 4:45:19 AM Adept
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b) Why doesn't Shinra (or any government/corperation like them, in any FF game) buy cheap-as-heck phoenix downs for their soldiers. Evil governments and corperations could just requisition them from shops, while 'good' governments and corperations could spend the money that goes to giving their soldiers weak status spells on phoenix downs instead. Reviving soldiers mid-battle would revolutionise warfare. And only one game has done this that I know of (LostOdyssey. The opening cutscene shows how white mages can properly use all-raise spells). For one status materia you can get a couple of phoenix downs. Can you imagine Avalanche invading Shinra headquaters (TWICE! Needs new security) if all the people they fought had 5 or so lives?

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b) Why doesn't Shinra (or any government/corperation like them, in any FF game) buy cheap-as-heck phoenix downs for their soldiers. Evil governments and corperations could just requisition them from shops, while 'good' governments and corperations could spend the money that goes to giving their soldiers weak status spells on phoenix downs instead. Reviving soldiers mid-battle would revolutionise warfare. And only one game has done this that I know of (LostOdyssey.(''VideoGame/LostOdyssey''. The opening cutscene shows how white mages can properly use all-raise spells). For one status materia you can get a couple of phoenix downs. Can you imagine Avalanche invading Shinra headquaters (TWICE! Needs new security) if all the people they fought had 5 or so lives?
21st Feb '17 5:31:40 PM nombretomado
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*** His rendering in CrisisCore really doesn't help highlight his charm either.

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*** His rendering in CrisisCore ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' really doesn't help highlight his charm either.



*** It's mentioned in CrisisCore that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class can use custom equipment, including uniforms, presumably on the basis that anyone that powerful can do what he wants. It's also evident that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class are recognizable, public figures (they have ''fan clubs'' for goodness sake), so if nothing else, Shinra soldiers who see a 1st Class uniform, but ''don't'' recognize the face wearing it, are going to be suspicious.\\\

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*** It's mentioned in CrisisCore ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class can use custom equipment, including uniforms, presumably on the basis that anyone that powerful can do what he wants. It's also evident that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class are recognizable, public figures (they have ''fan clubs'' for goodness sake), so if nothing else, Shinra soldiers who see a 1st Class uniform, but ''don't'' recognize the face wearing it, are going to be suspicious.\\\



*** Indeed. If CrisisCore is any indication, Genesis orchestrated the incident to let Sephiroth help Genesis cure his body's decay. So he does this by... shattering any illusions Sephiroth has about his mother, accusing him of being an alien born monster and calling him ''poor little Sephiroth''. You know, if you ''want'' help there are nicer ways to ask, ya know. No wonder Sephiroth told him to just go and rot.

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*** Indeed. If CrisisCore ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' is any indication, Genesis orchestrated the incident to let Sephiroth help Genesis cure his body's decay. So he does this by... shattering any illusions Sephiroth has about his mother, accusing him of being an alien born monster and calling him ''poor little Sephiroth''. You know, if you ''want'' help there are nicer ways to ask, ya know. No wonder Sephiroth told him to just go and rot.



** Yeah, that one moment flies in the face of literally ''all'' the other characterization Tseng has in both that game and CrisisCore. Maybe it was from a point in development where someone else was supposed to be on the chopper, or something, and nobody got around to changing it?

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** Yeah, that one moment flies in the face of literally ''all'' the other characterization Tseng has in both that game and CrisisCore.''VideoGame/CrisisCore''. Maybe it was from a point in development where someone else was supposed to be on the chopper, or something, and nobody got around to changing it?



* Most of the ''RelationshipValues'' for Tifa/Aerith date sequence in the original game makes sense. But in CrisisCore, it really bugs me that the way to increase Aerith's affection with Zack is to be a schmuck ''continuously''. You have to believe in all the market [=NPCs=] while they ''help'' you, when they are obviously treating you like an idiot and letting the thief run away. So... what exactly does this say about Aerith -- she likes her men naive to the point of being a CloudCuckooLander?

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* Most of the ''RelationshipValues'' for Tifa/Aerith date sequence in the original game makes sense. But in CrisisCore, ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'', it really bugs me that the way to increase Aerith's affection with Zack is to be a schmuck ''continuously''. You have to believe in all the market [=NPCs=] while they ''help'' you, when they are obviously treating you like an idiot and letting the thief run away. So... what exactly does this say about Aerith -- she likes her men naive to the point of being a CloudCuckooLander?
1st Feb '17 4:42:18 PM Wyldchyld
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*** If by "awesome", you mean "mash X for a few seconds", I suppose. The only way Tifa could have missed that wind-up is if her peripheral vision is completely shot, and it ''still'' doesn't excuse getting hit with subsequent slaps. Tifa, a martial artist who has been training for at least 5 years, can lose a ''slapping match''. Seriously ''not'' buying the handwaves, here. It was either a) an excuse to cram in yet another minigame (and not a particularly fun or inspired one - there's no luck or skill involved, winning only involves pressing X as quickly as you can over and over) or b) an excuse to make Tifa's rescue ''seem'' more exciting, even though a couple of guards and Scarlet were no real threat or c) both.
*** Easy answer: FetishFuel. Also, [[VideoGame/RoseAndCamellia This is the elegant art of feminine conflict.]]

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*** If by "awesome", you mean "mash X for a few seconds", I suppose. The only way Tifa could have missed that wind-up is if her peripheral vision is completely shot, and it ''still'' doesn't excuse getting hit with subsequent slaps. Tifa, a martial artist who has been training for at least 5 years, can lose a ''slapping match''. Seriously ''not'' buying the handwaves, here. It was either a) an excuse to cram in yet another minigame (and not a particularly fun or inspired one - there's no luck or skill involved, winning only involves pressing X as quickly as you can over and over) or b) an excuse to make Tifa's rescue ''seem'' more exciting, even though a couple of guards and Scarlet were no real threat or c) both.
*** Easy answer: FetishFuel. Also,
both. [[VideoGame/RoseAndCamellia This is the elegant art of feminine conflict.]]
14th Jan '17 5:10:01 AM Kindle4Light
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*** The answer is probably either teenage {{Fanservice}} (remember that Japan is... [[InternetBackdraft, yeah, I'm not gonna finish this one]]) or just an early example of TetsuyaNomura's... "unique" style.

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*** The answer is probably either teenage {{Fanservice}} (remember that Japan is... [[InternetBackdraft, [[InternetBackdraft yeah, I'm not gonna finish this one]]) or just an early example of TetsuyaNomura's... "unique" style.
12th Dec '16 6:44:28 PM Doug86
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** The [[DragonBallZ Dragon Ball Z]] clause. Any transformation, no matter how rediculous, even if it's just a change of cloths, will make a character stronger. does anyone but Cait Sith/Red XIII/Vincent wear the same cloths in AC as they do in the main game?

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** The [[DragonBallZ Dragon Ball Z]] ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' clause. Any transformation, no matter how rediculous, even if it's just a change of cloths, clothes, will make a character stronger. does anyone but Cait Sith/Red XIII/Vincent wear the same cloths in AC as they do in the main game?
4th Nov '16 12:55:27 PM randomtroper89
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** Eh? Do you mean the thing with Don Corneo? The part that was explicitly explained as her doing so in order to find Tifa?
*** No. A lot of fans seem to theorize that she was dating for money instead of simply being a flower girl.
** So? There isn't anything in the game that hints at it from what I can recall. Fans of this game "theorize" all kinds of crazy shit. Doesn't mean it has any basis in reality.
*** Apparently they have backup though. Just google it.
*** Google what? Most terms from this game will just bring up guides and maybe fic. Doesn't this rumor just come from her deal with Cloud to go out with him if he'll be her bodyguard?
*** If Cloud goes into the Honeybee Lounge in Sector 6, when he comes out he'll find Aerith has been ''flirting'' with all of the men gawking at her in order to sell her flowers. She clearly knows how to get attention, anyway. Aerith's innocent persona is a fairly recent invention. I mean, how many nice girls would force a guy to parade around in drag in front of his childhood love interest? (Speaking of that, did you see the racy dress she was in during that stint? Yowza!)
*** The "innocent persona" has a lot to do with the fact that in her appearances outside of the original, she is [[CrisisCore only fifteen or sixteen]]. Other than that, there's Advent Children (in which she's dead), and [[KingdomHearts Kingdom Hearts]]. And the [[http://www.cosplaykitten.com/reference/WallmarketAerith.jpg dress]] isn't that racy. It looks like a classy coctail dress, and [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101017054510/finalfantasy/images/3/33/Wall_Market_Tifa.jpg Ti]][[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080229131345/finalfantasy/images/3/3e/Tifa_Hot-.jpg fa]] and Yuffie show more skin on a daily basis. As for talking Cloud into dressing in drag (she didn't force him), I just attribute that to game humor. Regardless, that doesn't make her a mean person; she clearly never did anything to them out of spite. She sells flowers to make a living, so why not try to sell them at the Honeybee Inn if she's already there?
*** These rumours might have been also fueled by VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics. The Flower Girl Aerith in that game (who is not the same Aerith) is rescued by Cloud (who ''is'' the same Cloud) from someone who is evidently not a common thug, but a bona-fide criminal leader, to whom she owes money, and who suggests to her to "sell her body" instead of flowers.
** RuleThirtyFour. Enough said.

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** Eh? Do you mean the thing with Don Corneo? The part that was explicitly explained as her doing so in order to find Tifa?
*** No. A lot of fans seem to theorize that she was dating for money instead of simply being a flower girl.
** So? There isn't anything in the game that hints at it from what I can recall. Fans of this game "theorize" all kinds of crazy shit. Doesn't mean it has any basis in reality.
*** Apparently they have backup though. Just google it.
*** Google what? Most terms from this game will just bring up guides and maybe fic. Doesn't this rumor just come from her deal with Cloud to go out with him if he'll be her bodyguard?
***
If Cloud goes into the Honeybee Lounge in Sector 6, when he comes out he'll find Aerith has been ''flirting'' with all of the men gawking at her in order to sell her flowers. She clearly knows how to get attention, anyway. Aerith's innocent persona is a fairly recent invention. I mean, how many nice girls would force a guy to parade around in drag in front of his childhood love interest? (Speaking of that, did you see the racy dress she was in during that stint? Yowza!)
*** The "innocent persona" has a lot to do with the fact that in her appearances outside of the original, she is [[CrisisCore only fifteen or sixteen]]. Other than that, there's Advent Children (in which she's dead), and [[KingdomHearts Kingdom Hearts]]. And the [[http://www.cosplaykitten.com/reference/WallmarketAerith.jpg dress]] isn't that racy. It looks like a classy coctail dress, and [[http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101017054510/finalfantasy/images/3/33/Wall_Market_Tifa.jpg Ti]][[http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080229131345/finalfantasy/images/3/3e/Tifa_Hot-.jpg fa]] and Yuffie show more skin on a daily basis. As for talking Cloud into dressing in drag (she didn't force him), I just attribute that to game humor.
attention.
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Regardless, that doesn't make her a mean person; she clearly never did anything to them out of spite. She sells flowers to make a living, so why not try to sell them at the Honeybee Inn if she's already there?
*** ** These rumours might have been also fueled by VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics. The Flower Girl Aerith in that game (who is not the same Aerith) is rescued by Cloud (who ''is'' the same Cloud) from someone who is evidently not a common thug, but a bona-fide criminal leader, to whom she owes money, and who suggests to her to "sell her body" instead of flowers.
** RuleThirtyFour. Enough said.
flowers.



*** Well she could be a doctor, what with those Cetra super-healing powers of hers. A BackAlleyDoctor, mind you, but better than that [[{{LightNovel/Durarara}} other]] [[NamesTheSame Shinra.]]
*** Remember, Aeris can charge whatever she wants for the flowers. Sure, one gil may be the base price but she seems to increase it for people who annoyed her or she knows has money to burn. While flowers may not seem like much to us remember that they're very rare in Midgar, only growing around Aeris' home and the church near her home, so she has a monopoly on something that cheers people up, makes them happy, and has a sully that costs her nothing and keeps replenishing itself. Factor in that her mother likely owns the house instead of just renting it and that she doesn't seem to have any real frivilous possesions, not even a piece of common materia to use on monsters/attackers, and I can buy her making a living on the flowers alone.
*** We should also remember that Cloud is 5'7" man in a military/mercenary uniform carrying a sword that is 70.5 inches tall from the end of the hilt to the point of the blade and, depending on the material, can weigh anything from 20 to 75 pounds. And this tough looking dude just bought a flower after a terrorist attack while people are panicking. Yeah, no shit she's surprised.

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*** ** Well she could be a doctor, what with those Cetra super-healing powers of hers. A BackAlleyDoctor, mind you, but better than that [[{{LightNovel/Durarara}} other]] [[NamesTheSame Shinra.]]
*** ** Remember, Aeris can charge whatever she wants for the flowers. Sure, one gil may be the base price but she seems to increase it for people who annoyed her or she knows has money to burn. While flowers may not seem like much to us remember that they're very rare in Midgar, only growing around Aeris' home and the church near her home, so she has a monopoly on something that cheers people up, makes them happy, and has a sully that costs her nothing and keeps replenishing itself. Factor in that her mother likely owns the house instead of just renting it and that she doesn't seem to have any real frivilous possesions, not even a piece of common materia to use on monsters/attackers, and I can buy her making a living on the flowers alone.
*** ** We should also remember that Cloud is 5'7" man in a military/mercenary uniform carrying a sword that is 70.5 inches tall from the end of the hilt to the point of the blade and, depending on the material, can weigh anything from 20 to 75 pounds. And this tough looking dude just bought a flower after a terrorist attack while people are panicking. Yeah, no shit she's surprised.
16th Oct '16 9:49:59 AM Zozma
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** A 180 pound man fell from 50 stories and shish kebabed her with inhuman accuracy using an impossibly sharp sword. You don't need to be a practicing doctor to know that's at least *potentially* lethal, which it was. Fictional characters die from single bullet wounds all the time despite a statistically high chance of survival, so that Aerith was killed by a considerably more damaging circumstances should be surprising to no one.
11th Oct '16 4:47:20 PM Zozma
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* Remember when Palmer quickly popped a Phoenix Down into President Shinra after he got stabbed to death? Or how Cloud didn't sweat the Nibelheim incident or Tifa's father getting murdered becaue they have Phoenix Downs? Or how Gongaga doesn't have a graveyard? Or how Bugenhagen on his death bed doesn't just ask Red XIII to go to the nearest vendor? Or how everyone in the setting openly disregards their own mortality and live out their endless lives in bliss and peace because they have unlimited time on the planet and death has no consequence? Of course you don't, because FF7 doesn't actually take place in a setting where its characters can go to the nearest drug store and buy a pancea for death with pocket change. Phoenix downs are a gameplay mechanic and don't exist in the game's narrative. In other words, Gameplay and Story Segregation is a Thing.
3rd Sep '16 8:35:55 PM willyolio
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** Canonically, the Turks are very strong. Especially at the beginning. In every Turk fight except one, the Turks are never KO'd by the party. They finish their job of delaying the party or whatever, they get bored, and leave the fight. Only in one fight, when you 3v1 against Rude, do you actually *beat* him.
28th Aug '16 8:48:33 PM Deadpoolio
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