History Headscratchers / FinalFantasyVII

3rd Sep '17 6:40:47 AM HalcyonDayz
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** I'm not the most versed on the universe's canon, but the game itself seemed to explain it. That's where Sephiroth fell into the Lifestream, and it's where all the Sephiroth clones were being drawn toward for the Reunion (until he reformed his body at the North Crater). Shinra, and specifically Hojo's research staff wanted to be able to observe them discreetly, but some of them were coherent beings like Cloud. The "Sephiroth" that the party is following for most of the game's first half was merely Sephiroth Clone No. 1, who is specifically said to have had conversations with multiple NPCs. The Shinra actors needed a plausible reason to be in the area, so pretending to be townspeople fit their purposes. There's no reason given why they needed to precisely replicate the town and pretend like there was never an accident, but they might fear that the Sephiroth clones could experience some memory bleed-over and go mad from the revelation.

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** I'm not the most versed on the universe's canon, but the game itself seemed to explain it. That's where Sephiroth fell into the Lifestream, and it's where all the Sephiroth clones were being drawn toward for the Reunion (until he reformed his body at the North Crater). Shinra, and specifically Hojo's research staff wanted to be able to observe them discreetly, but some of them were coherent beings like Cloud. The "Sephiroth" that the party is following for most of the game's first half was merely Sephiroth Clone No. 1, who is specifically said to have had conversations with multiple NPCs.{{Non Player Character}}s. The Shinra actors needed a plausible reason to be in the area, so pretending to be townspeople fit their purposes. There's no reason given why they needed to precisely replicate the town and pretend like there was never an accident, but they might fear that the Sephiroth clones could experience some memory bleed-over and go mad from the revelation.
8th Aug '17 10:21:11 AM 1kanna
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** Well, they sorta do. Cloud not being mentally stable enough to handle the mako treatments was one of the reason he got rejected from SOLDIER in the first place. Also what help put him in that mako coma after the 4 years in Nibelheim. So, they at least make a token effort?
16th Jun '17 6:00:07 AM jamesw-devon
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** Have you seen the size of the world map? The Planet must be tiny compared to Earth, and have appropriately tiny gravity. (This also explains how dragoons work, and how airships can fly with hardly anything holding them up.)
13th Jun '17 11:23:07 AM creativename24
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* Webcomic/CyanideAndHappiness [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ujjQA4vGw demonstrated what would most likely happen if Cloud DID use one on her.]]
11th Jun '17 12:17:46 PM nombretomado
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*** IIRC the "wrong message" sent by Aerith's death would have been if she had died to save ''Cloud'' the way your average JRPG self-sacrificing lady-type tends to do; having her die [[WomenInRefrigerators just to hurt the player's feelings and motivate Cloud]] was their way of avoiding that particular trope. Seriously, we can argue about how dumb it is that you can't save her with a Phoenix down for another twenty years, but the end result? Aerith died because the writers wanted her dead. WordOfGod is incurable outside of fanfiction.

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*** IIRC the "wrong message" sent by Aerith's death would have been if she had died to save ''Cloud'' the way your average JRPG self-sacrificing lady-type tends to do; having her die [[WomenInRefrigerators [[StuffedIntoTheFridge just to hurt the player's feelings and motivate Cloud]] was their way of avoiding that particular trope. Seriously, we can argue about how dumb it is that you can't save her with a Phoenix down for another twenty years, but the end result? Aerith died because the writers wanted her dead. WordOfGod is incurable outside of fanfiction.
10th Jun '17 9:34:44 PM JM1982
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* The funny thing, is that once he's actually given something to do, Palmer is ''good'' at it. He gets the rocket fixed as good as new in record time, even though it's been rusting for the last three years. Then, once it fires, he makes a point of locking its Auto-Pilot device to ensure that it reaches its target.
10th Apr '17 7:05:53 PM Thecommander236
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** This is cleared up with Advent Children. Sephiroth's stated goal is to destory all life on the planet by corrupting the Life stream with those killed by Geostigma, absorb the planet dry, then ride around the universe on it like it's a giant spaceship. Once, they arrive on another fertile planet, then they will make that there "Promised Land" like his Mother did before him. So eventually he realized what Jenova was in principle, but he just wants to take his time and kill Cloud first mostly because of his wounded pride from losing to him twice, but also because he knows Cloud is his only real threat on the planet.

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** This is cleared up with Advent Children. Sephiroth's stated goal is to destory all life on the planet by corrupting the Life stream with those killed by Geostigma, absorb the planet dry, then ride around the universe on it like it's a giant spaceship. Once, they arrive on another fertile planet, then they will make that there their "Promised Land" like his Mother did before him. So eventually he realized what Jenova was in principle, but he just wants to take his time and kill Cloud first mostly because of his wounded pride from losing to him twice, but also because he knows Cloud is his only real threat on the planet.
10th Apr '17 2:31:00 PM Thecommander236
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* Given that Sephiroth spent time in the Lifestream and gained ancient knowledge knowledge, wouldn't he have gained knowledge that Jenova was no ancient? If that's the case, why did he go through with the plan? He had no reason to avenge her.

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* Given that Sephiroth spent time in the Lifestream and gained ancient knowledge knowledge, wouldn't he have gained knowledge that Jenova was no ancient? If that's the case, why did he go through with the plan? He had no reason to avenge her.


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** This is cleared up with Advent Children. Sephiroth's stated goal is to destory all life on the planet by corrupting the Life stream with those killed by Geostigma, absorb the planet dry, then ride around the universe on it like it's a giant spaceship. Once, they arrive on another fertile planet, then they will make that there "Promised Land" like his Mother did before him. So eventually he realized what Jenova was in principle, but he just wants to take his time and kill Cloud first mostly because of his wounded pride from losing to him twice, but also because he knows Cloud is his only real threat on the planet.
23rd Mar '17 4:45:19 AM Adept
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b) Why doesn't Shinra (or any government/corperation like them, in any FF game) buy cheap-as-heck phoenix downs for their soldiers. Evil governments and corperations could just requisition them from shops, while 'good' governments and corperations could spend the money that goes to giving their soldiers weak status spells on phoenix downs instead. Reviving soldiers mid-battle would revolutionise warfare. And only one game has done this that I know of (LostOdyssey. The opening cutscene shows how white mages can properly use all-raise spells). For one status materia you can get a couple of phoenix downs. Can you imagine Avalanche invading Shinra headquaters (TWICE! Needs new security) if all the people they fought had 5 or so lives?

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b) Why doesn't Shinra (or any government/corperation like them, in any FF game) buy cheap-as-heck phoenix downs for their soldiers. Evil governments and corperations could just requisition them from shops, while 'good' governments and corperations could spend the money that goes to giving their soldiers weak status spells on phoenix downs instead. Reviving soldiers mid-battle would revolutionise warfare. And only one game has done this that I know of (LostOdyssey.(''VideoGame/LostOdyssey''. The opening cutscene shows how white mages can properly use all-raise spells). For one status materia you can get a couple of phoenix downs. Can you imagine Avalanche invading Shinra headquaters (TWICE! Needs new security) if all the people they fought had 5 or so lives?
21st Feb '17 5:31:40 PM nombretomado
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*** His rendering in CrisisCore really doesn't help highlight his charm either.

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*** His rendering in CrisisCore ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' really doesn't help highlight his charm either.



*** It's mentioned in CrisisCore that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class can use custom equipment, including uniforms, presumably on the basis that anyone that powerful can do what he wants. It's also evident that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class are recognizable, public figures (they have ''fan clubs'' for goodness sake), so if nothing else, Shinra soldiers who see a 1st Class uniform, but ''don't'' recognize the face wearing it, are going to be suspicious.\\\

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*** It's mentioned in CrisisCore ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class can use custom equipment, including uniforms, presumably on the basis that anyone that powerful can do what he wants. It's also evident that [=SOLDIERs=] 1st Class are recognizable, public figures (they have ''fan clubs'' for goodness sake), so if nothing else, Shinra soldiers who see a 1st Class uniform, but ''don't'' recognize the face wearing it, are going to be suspicious.\\\



*** Indeed. If CrisisCore is any indication, Genesis orchestrated the incident to let Sephiroth help Genesis cure his body's decay. So he does this by... shattering any illusions Sephiroth has about his mother, accusing him of being an alien born monster and calling him ''poor little Sephiroth''. You know, if you ''want'' help there are nicer ways to ask, ya know. No wonder Sephiroth told him to just go and rot.

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*** Indeed. If CrisisCore ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'' is any indication, Genesis orchestrated the incident to let Sephiroth help Genesis cure his body's decay. So he does this by... shattering any illusions Sephiroth has about his mother, accusing him of being an alien born monster and calling him ''poor little Sephiroth''. You know, if you ''want'' help there are nicer ways to ask, ya know. No wonder Sephiroth told him to just go and rot.



** Yeah, that one moment flies in the face of literally ''all'' the other characterization Tseng has in both that game and CrisisCore. Maybe it was from a point in development where someone else was supposed to be on the chopper, or something, and nobody got around to changing it?

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** Yeah, that one moment flies in the face of literally ''all'' the other characterization Tseng has in both that game and CrisisCore.''VideoGame/CrisisCore''. Maybe it was from a point in development where someone else was supposed to be on the chopper, or something, and nobody got around to changing it?



* Most of the ''RelationshipValues'' for Tifa/Aerith date sequence in the original game makes sense. But in CrisisCore, it really bugs me that the way to increase Aerith's affection with Zack is to be a schmuck ''continuously''. You have to believe in all the market [=NPCs=] while they ''help'' you, when they are obviously treating you like an idiot and letting the thief run away. So... what exactly does this say about Aerith -- she likes her men naive to the point of being a CloudCuckooLander?

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* Most of the ''RelationshipValues'' for Tifa/Aerith date sequence in the original game makes sense. But in CrisisCore, ''VideoGame/CrisisCore'', it really bugs me that the way to increase Aerith's affection with Zack is to be a schmuck ''continuously''. You have to believe in all the market [=NPCs=] while they ''help'' you, when they are obviously treating you like an idiot and letting the thief run away. So... what exactly does this say about Aerith -- she likes her men naive to the point of being a CloudCuckooLander?
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