Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Headscratchers / EventHorizon

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** It's also likely that rescue ships like the ''Lewis & Clark'' might be assigned to carry out asteroid-deflection missions, intercepting rocks that might hit planets or interfere with system traffic and knocking them off course with missile strikes.

to:

** It's also likely that rescue ships like the ''Lewis & Clark'' might be assigned to carry out asteroid-deflection missions, intercepting rocks that might hit planets or interfere with system traffic and knocking them off course with missile strikes.strikes.
* What happened to Justin? He becomes possessed by the ship, is put into a sleep tube after his failed space walk and somehow survives to the end and at no point does anyone wonder if the Evilz is still inside him, patiently waiting until, dunno, they return to Earth. This feels more like Producers demanding cuts and so the conclusion to Baby Bear's (why is Peters confusingly referred to as Mama Bear?) story arc never survived.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** They are a Search and Rescue team, they don't tend to bring people along, unless a specialist is needed and even then, usually it is a well known associate of the team, Real Life S&R tend to vet the people they work with pretty thoroughly, buil up a bond of trust, make sure the person isn't prone to panic, Weir is a specialist, but he is not known by the team, they are just lumped with him because he is the only person who knows the ''Event Horizon'' in and out, and the movie shows how much of a liability he was.

to:

** They are a Search and Rescue team, they don't tend to bring people along, unless a specialist is needed and even then, usually it is a well known associate of the team, Real Life S&R tend to vet the people they work with pretty thoroughly, buil build up a bond of trust, make sure the person isn't prone to panic, Weir is a specialist, but he is not known by the team, they are just lumped with him because he is the only person who knows the ''Event Horizon'' in and out, and the movie shows showed how much of a liability he was.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Formatting correction


** The answer to this is relatively simple. Say you have a ship that has its engines craps out and its roughly the size of the Event Horizon. To put it simply, there's no way in hell that the dinky little ''Lewis and Clark'' could probably move that thing without destroying its own engines in the process and further FUBARing the situation. Thus, it would be necessary to totally destroy the ship because it would be a menace to navigation.

to:

** The answer to this is relatively simple. Say you have a ship that has its engines craps out and its roughly the size of the Event Horizon. To put it simply, there's no way in hell that the dinky little ''Lewis and Clark'' could probably move that thing without destroying its own engines in the process and further FUBARing [=FUBARing=] the situation. Thus, it would be necessary to totally destroy the ship because it would be a menace to navigation.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The answer to this is relatively simple. Say you have a ship that has its engines craps out and its roughly the size of the Event Horizon. To put it simply, there's no way in hell that the dinky little Lewis and Clark could probably move that thing without destroying its own engines in the process and further FUBARing the situation. Thus, it would be necessary to totally destroy the ship because it would be a menace to navigation.
** Given the ranks and the strict rules enforced, it does appear that The Lewis & Clark is some sort of organised military vessel generally suited for Search and Rescue, but equipped for various situations it might find itself in. Also given the general wear n tear of the ship it’s possible they have quite a lot of old equipment from previous missions.

to:

** The answer to this is relatively simple. Say you have a ship that has its engines craps out and its roughly the size of the Event Horizon. To put it simply, there's no way in hell that the dinky little Lewis ''Lewis and Clark Clark'' could probably move that thing without destroying its own engines in the process and further FUBARing the situation. Thus, it would be necessary to totally destroy the ship because it would be a menace to navigation.
** Given the ranks and the strict rules enforced, it does appear that The Lewis the ''Lewis & Clark Clark'' is some sort of organised military vessel generally suited for Search and Rescue, but equipped for various situations it might find itself in. Also given the general wear n n' tear of the ship it’s possible they have quite a lot of old equipment from previous missions.missions.
** It's also likely that rescue ships like the ''Lewis & Clark'' might be assigned to carry out asteroid-deflection missions, intercepting rocks that might hit planets or interfere with system traffic and knocking them off course with missile strikes.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The answer to this is relatively simple. Say you have a ship that has its engines craps out and its roughly the size of the Event Horizon. To put it simply, there's no way in hell that the dinky little Lewis and Clark could probably move that thing without destroying its own engines in the process and further FUBARing the situation. Thus, it would be necessary to totally destroy the ship because it would be a menace to navigation.

to:

** The answer to this is relatively simple. Say you have a ship that has its engines craps out and its roughly the size of the Event Horizon. To put it simply, there's no way in hell that the dinky little Lewis and Clark could probably move that thing without destroying its own engines in the process and further FUBARing the situation. Thus, it would be necessary to totally destroy the ship because it would be a menace to navigation.navigation.
** Given the ranks and the strict rules enforced, it does appear that The Lewis & Clark is some sort of organised military vessel generally suited for Search and Rescue, but equipped for various situations it might find itself in. Also given the general wear n tear of the ship it’s possible they have quite a lot of old equipment from previous missions.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** She DID know. She attacks Weir on the bridge after Miller's conversation with him. Weir isn't naked at that point, but his face is scarred up and his eyes are gone. In fact there's a shot from her PoV of Weir and his scarred up face. All she sees of him in her "nightmare" is his face anyway.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** She DID know. She attacks Weir on the bridge after Miller's conversation with him. Weir isn't naked at that point, but his face is scarred up and his eyes are gone. In fact there's a shot from her PoV of Weir and his scarred up face. All she sees of him in her "nightmare" is his face anyway.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Why exactly does a search-and-rescue vessel carry a complement of missiles? SpacePirates might be a possible reason, but the film never mentions anything of the sort (or anything at all about space traffic other than that it exists, really), leaving the matter to speculation only.

to:

* Why exactly does a search-and-rescue vessel carry a complement of missiles? SpacePirates might be a possible reason, but the film never mentions anything of the sort (or anything at all about space traffic other than that it exists, really), leaving the matter to speculation only.only.
** The answer to this is relatively simple. Say you have a ship that has its engines craps out and its roughly the size of the Event Horizon. To put it simply, there's no way in hell that the dinky little Lewis and Clark could probably move that thing without destroying its own engines in the process and further FUBARing the situation. Thus, it would be necessary to totally destroy the ship because it would be a menace to navigation.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** One of the screenwriters, Philip Eisner has acknowledged that ''Warhammer 40k'' did influence the story, specifically talking about the similarities between The Warp in ''40k'' and what the Event Horizon experiences on its maiden voyage.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
From Fridge


** They are a Search and Rescue team, they don't tend to bring people along, unless a specialist is needed and even then, usually it is a well known associate of the team, Real Life S&R tend to vet the people they work with pretty thoroughly, buil up a bond of trust, make sure the person isn't prone to panic, Weir is a specialist, but he is not known by the team, they are just lumped with him because he is the only person who knows the ''Event Horizon'' in and out, and the movie shows how much of a liability he was.

to:

** They are a Search and Rescue team, they don't tend to bring people along, unless a specialist is needed and even then, usually it is a well known associate of the team, Real Life S&R tend to vet the people they work with pretty thoroughly, buil up a bond of trust, make sure the person isn't prone to panic, Weir is a specialist, but he is not known by the team, they are just lumped with him because he is the only person who knows the ''Event Horizon'' in and out, and the movie shows how much of a liability he was.was.
* Why exactly does a search-and-rescue vessel carry a complement of missiles? SpacePirates might be a possible reason, but the film never mentions anything of the sort (or anything at all about space traffic other than that it exists, really), leaving the matter to speculation only.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** Weir plays the original transmission, which is incomprehensible. Then he says that they put it through audio filters to reveal the voice speaking, and he says no one was able to figure out what it was saying. Weir is clearly presenting it as a conundrum that experts on Earth were never able to solve even though they had years to do so. DJ picks up on the fact that it's Latin instantly. He has no established superhuman translation or hearing abilities. The implication is simply that he speaks Latin, and no one on Earth who listened to the recording spoke Latin. You'd think that in all the years they spent studying the recording, they'd have tried to figure out what language was being spoken. Latin might be a "dead" language, but it's pretty easy to identity.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** We'll never know, but the novelization implies that the Weir is dead, and an entity from Hell is using his form and voice. In the final fight, the entity spits and says that Weir (in the third person) was weak.

to:

** We'll never know, know for sure, but the novelization implies that the real Weir is dead, and an entity from Hell is using his form and voice. In the final fight, the entity spits and says that Weir (in the third person) was weak.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** The recording they had was unclear. It's likely they DID have it, and heard the 'liberate...me'. It took a lot of careful, CAREFUL listening to hear the full one. 'libreatume'....ex infernus.' (And, only the ''Event Horizon''[='=]s local copy has the SECOND half of the log...where everything goes to, well...hell.)

to:

*** The recording they had was unclear. It's likely they DID have it, and heard the 'liberate...me'. It took a lot of careful, CAREFUL listening to hear the full one. 'libreatume'....'libera te tutemet'....ex infernus.inferis.' (And, only the ''Event Horizon''[='=]s local copy has the SECOND half of the log...where everything goes to, well...hell.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* A minor note - in the beginning, Starke tells Weir Miller doesn't like having complete strangers on the ship. But isn't the ''Lewis & Clarke'' primarily a search & rescue ship? As Miller says, "Someone drops the ball, we get the call." So, due to the nature of their mission, shouldn't they be accustomed to passengers on their ship?

to:

* A minor note - in the beginning, Starke tells Weir Miller doesn't like having complete strangers on the ship. But isn't the ''Lewis & Clarke'' primarily a search & rescue ship? As Miller says, "Someone drops the ball, we get the call." So, due to the nature of their mission, shouldn't they be accustomed to passengers on their ship?ship?
** They are a Search and Rescue team, they don't tend to bring people along, unless a specialist is needed and even then, usually it is a well known associate of the team, Real Life S&R tend to vet the people they work with pretty thoroughly, buil up a bond of trust, make sure the person isn't prone to panic, Weir is a specialist, but he is not known by the team, they are just lumped with him because he is the only person who knows the ''Event Horizon'' in and out, and the movie shows how much of a liability he was.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** There's a far more mundane possibility to consider: when the ''Lewis & Clarke'' was docking alongside the ''Event Horizon'', Smith ignored Weir's protests that an antenna array near the ''Event Horizon''[='=]s airlock wasn't a load-bearing structure and just clamped the ''Lewis & Clarke'' onto it, destroying the antenna in the process. That means it ''was'' possible for the ''Event Horizon'' to send the message, as the communications system wasn't busted until the ''Lewis & Clarke'' arrived.

to:

*** There's a far more mundane possibility to consider: when the ''Lewis & Clarke'' was docking alongside the ''Event Horizon'', Smith ignored Weir's protests that an antenna array near the ''Event Horizon''[='=]s airlock wasn't a load-bearing structure and just clamped the ''Lewis & Clarke'' onto it, destroying the antenna in the process. That means it ''was'' possible for the ''Event Horizon'' to send the message, as the communications system wasn't busted until the ''Lewis & Clarke'' arrived.arrived.
* A minor note - in the beginning, Starke tells Weir Miller doesn't like having complete strangers on the ship. But isn't the ''Lewis & Clarke'' primarily a search & rescue ship? As Miller says, "Someone drops the ball, we get the call." So, due to the nature of their mission, shouldn't they be accustomed to passengers on their ship?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Setting aside the EldritchAbomination stuff, presumably part of the reason the initial test of the ship was done 3 billion clicks away from the nearest human outpost was in case something went wrong with the gravity drive. Presumably there is some risk (however small) that the drive fails catastrophically and a renegade black hole shows up in the solar system. Better that kind of thing happens out by Neptune rather than, say, Earth.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Yes, it took a year to reach Neptune, but not saying the crew would be awake the whole time. Dust off the engines, point it towards the inner planets, program a course to Earth, and jump in the stasis tubes before the engines fire. Riding home in ''style''...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Is possible that possessing Justin only to doom him in the airlock is another way for the ship to torture its victims: not only does it get to kill one of the crew members horribly, but also destroys the morale of the rest, along with the exhaustion brought upon by the effort spent in trying to save him.

to:

*** Is It is possible that possessing Justin only to doom him in the airlock is another way for the ship to torture its victims: not only does it get to kill one of the crew members horribly, but also destroys the morale of the rest, along with the exhaustion brought upon by the effort spent in trying to save him.



*** Added to that, it's very similar in overall theme and tone to some of the more horrific stuff in the 40k fluff. And the design aesthetic, as mentioned, is very similar. Compare the [[http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/101812/DerelictShip.jpg Event Horizon]] and [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/28/BFGRetribution.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100605183701 some]] [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/ca/Z_graves_01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111115192048 Imperial]] [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7d/b0/93/7db0939a17dad0768126b06a1dce3a66.jpg ships]], and it's easy to think that one design eventually lead to the others. Also, the place the ''Event Horizon'' went is described as "a place of pure chaos," to which any 40k fan will nod sagely and say "that's what happens when you forget to turn on the Gellar field." It's almost certain that the filmmaker's had no knowledge of 40k, and the points of commonality are just coincidental, but they're good enough that the film actually could be slipped into 40k canon ([[SchrodingersCanon such as it is]]) without any difficulty.

to:

*** Added to that, it's very similar in overall theme and tone to some of the more horrific stuff in the 40k fluff. And the design aesthetic, as mentioned, is very similar. Compare the [[http://cdn.''[[http://cdn.obsidianportal.com/assets/101812/DerelictShip.jpg Event Horizon]] Horizon]]'' and [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/28/BFGRetribution.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100605183701 some]] [[http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/ca/Z_graves_01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20111115192048 Imperial]] [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7d/b0/93/7db0939a17dad0768126b06a1dce3a66.jpg ships]], and it's easy to think that one design eventually lead to the others. Also, the place the ''Event Horizon'' went is described as "a place of pure chaos," to which any 40k fan will nod sagely and say "that's what happens when you forget to turn on the Gellar field." It's almost certain that the filmmaker's had no knowledge of 40k, and the points of commonality are just coincidental, but they're good enough that the film actually could be slipped into 40k canon ([[SchrodingersCanon such as it is]]) without any difficulty.



*** Yes they did. The recording was played during the briefing before the crew reached the Event Horizon. The very reason the crew was going on this rescue mission was because Earth heard the ship's distress call.

to:

*** Yes they did. The recording was played during the briefing before the crew reached the Event Horizon.''Event Horizon''. The very reason the crew was going on this rescue mission was because Earth heard the ship's distress call.



*** The recording they had was unclear. It's likely they DID have it, and heard the 'liberate...me'. It took a lot of careful, CAREFUL listening to hear the full one. 'libreatume'....ex infernus.' (And, only the Event Horizon's local copy has the SECOND half of the log...where everything goes to, well...hell.)
* After the Lewis & Clarke is damaged, why not simply use the Event Horizon's conventional engines to return to Earth? When it disappeared, it was provisioned for a return flight for a much larger crew, so supplies shouldn't be an issue, nor should fuel. Granted, after seven years the engines flight-worthiness may have degraded, but the crew never seems to consider the issue.
** Um, you're suggesting that they intentionally stay on the Event Horizon? Not only that, but intentionally bring it closer to Earth? Sure, why not? What could possibly go wrong?
** Plus, the ''Lewis and Clarke's'' crew is trained in the operation of their own ship, not the ''Event Horizon.'' And they were all already sufficiently creeped out that none of them wanted to be on that ship a moment longer than necessary. Even without the (at the point, largely unknown) potential of bringing some horrific EldritchAbomination back to Earth, none of them were in any mood to screw around with this obviously fucked-up ship.
** One point that was made early on was that the ''Event Horizon'''s air filtration system had been corroded, thus causing carbon dioxide buildup (similar to what happened to ''Apollo 13'') that would eventually suffocate the crew in less than a day. Further on, it took the ''Event Horizon'' a whole year to reach Neptune on conventional propulsion, and that was ''before'' whatever damage its trip to Hell caused it (which may have extended to its sub-light drives). Thus the reason why the crew was adamant about getting the ''Clark'' back up and running; to remain on the ''Event Horizon'' in itself (even discounting the Eldritch presence) would have been literal suicide.
* One minor one - the Lewis & Clarke crew is disturbed by received radio transmissions from when the Event Horizon first appeared, yet, when stranded on the Event Horizon, Starke reads off the communications system is offline.... so how did the EH send the message?
** ''[[{{Troll}} Event Horizon]]'' laid the bait, then played the busted card. Once you get the prey in the trap, you don't want it phoning home, right? No bets: almost every "broken" part of the ship could fix itself if it wanted it to.

to:

*** The recording they had was unclear. It's likely they DID have it, and heard the 'liberate...me'. It took a lot of careful, CAREFUL listening to hear the full one. 'libreatume'....ex infernus.' (And, only the Event Horizon's ''Event Horizon''[='=]s local copy has the SECOND half of the log...where everything goes to, well...hell.)
* After the Lewis ''Lewis & Clarke Clarke'' is damaged, why not simply use the Event Horizon's ''Event Horizon''[='=]s conventional engines to return to Earth? When it disappeared, it was provisioned for a return flight for a much larger crew, so supplies shouldn't be an issue, nor should fuel. Granted, after seven years the engines flight-worthiness may have degraded, but the crew never seems to consider the issue.
** Um, you're suggesting that they intentionally stay on the Event Horizon? ''Event Horizon''? Not only that, but intentionally bring it closer to Earth? Sure, why not? What could possibly go wrong?
** Plus, the ''Lewis and Clarke's'' Clarke''[='=]s crew is trained in the operation of their own ship, not the ''Event Horizon.'' Horizon''. And they were all already sufficiently creeped out that none of them wanted to be on that ship a moment longer than necessary. Even without the (at the point, largely unknown) potential of bringing some horrific EldritchAbomination back to Earth, none of them were in any mood to screw around with this obviously fucked-up ship.
** One point that was made early on was that the ''Event Horizon'''s Horizon''[='=]s air filtration system had been corroded, thus causing carbon dioxide buildup (similar to what happened to ''Apollo 13'') that would eventually suffocate the crew in less than a day. Further on, it took the ''Event Horizon'' a whole year to reach Neptune on conventional propulsion, and that was ''before'' whatever damage its trip to Hell caused it (which may have extended to its sub-light drives). Thus the reason why the crew was adamant about getting the ''Clark'' ''Lewis and Clark'' back up and running; to remain on the ''Event Horizon'' in itself (even discounting the Eldritch presence) would have been literal suicide.
* One minor one - the Lewis ''Lewis & Clarke Clarke''[='=] crew is disturbed by received radio transmissions from when the Event Horizon ''Event Horizon'' first appeared, yet, when stranded on the Event Horizon, ''Event Horizon'', Starke reads off the communications system is offline.... so how did the EH send the message?
** The ''[[{{Troll}} Event Horizon]]'' laid the bait, then played the busted card. Once you get the prey in the trap, you don't want it phoning home, right? No bets: almost every "broken" part of the ship could fix itself if it wanted it to.



*** There's a far more mundane possibility to consider: when the Lewis & Clarke was docking alongside Event Horizon, Smith ignored Weir's protests that an antenna array near Event Horizon's airlock wasn't a load-bearing structure and just clamped Lewis & Clarke onto it, destroying the antenna in the process. That means it ''was'' possible for Event Horizon to send the message, as the communications system wasn't busted until the Lewis & Clarke arrived.

to:

*** There's a far more mundane possibility to consider: when the Lewis ''Lewis & Clarke Clarke'' was docking alongside Event Horizon, the ''Event Horizon'', Smith ignored Weir's protests that an antenna array near Event Horizon's the ''Event Horizon''[='=]s airlock wasn't a load-bearing structure and just clamped Lewis the ''Lewis & Clarke Clarke'' onto it, destroying the antenna in the process. That means it ''was'' possible for Event Horizon the ''Event Horizon'' to send the message, as the communications system wasn't busted until the Lewis ''Lewis & Clarke Clarke'' arrived.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Related to this, however, is the fact that in her "nightmare" she sees Weir as he looked after the ship brought him back...something SHE DIDN'T KNOW...

to:

** Related to this, however, is the fact that in her "nightmare" she sees Weir as he looked after the ship brought him back... something SHE DIDN'T KNOW...



*** It's not just the mechanical function of things; that alone is enough to make the Doom connection, since Doom is very light on plot, but not 40k, since 40k has a lot more to dive through than "mechanics of FTL travel." What sells the idea is the fact that, beyond that, the film has an extremely similar design aesthetic to 40k; the note on the YMMV page that it wouldn't be hard to fool a 40k fan who's never seen heard of the movie into thinking it's intended to be 40k isn't much of an exaggeration, if at all. No, no one thinks it's ''supposed'' to be a 40k film, but you wouldn't have to change anything for it to be one.

to:

*** It's not just the mechanical function of things; that alone is enough to make the Doom connection, since Doom is very light on plot, but not 40k, since 40k has a lot more to dive through than "mechanics of FTL travel." What sells the idea is the fact that, beyond that, the film has an extremely similar design aesthetic to 40k; the note on the YMMV page that it wouldn't be hard to fool a 40k fan who's never seen or heard of the movie into thinking it's intended to be 40k isn't much of an exaggeration, if at all. No, no one thinks it's ''supposed'' to be a 40k film, but you wouldn't have to change anything for it to be one.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* When Weir come under the influence of the entity possessing the ''Event Horizon'', is it ''him'' [[GoMadFromTheRevelation succumbing to insanity]]? Or is it the ''Event Horizon'' itself possessing him and speaking through him?

to:

* When Weir come came under the influence of the entity possessing the ''Event Horizon'', is it ''him'' [[GoMadFromTheRevelation succumbing to insanity]]? Or is it the ''Event Horizon'' itself possessing him and speaking through him?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** It also explains why the guy giving the DistressCall in the hell dimension was speaking in Latin instead of the more common and understandable English. It was a way to lure people in.

to:

*** It also explains why the guy giving the DistressCall in the hell dimension was speaking in Latin instead of the more common and understandable English. It was a way to lure people in.in.
*** There's a far more mundane possibility to consider: when the Lewis & Clarke was docking alongside Event Horizon, Smith ignored Weir's protests that an antenna array near Event Horizon's airlock wasn't a load-bearing structure and just clamped Lewis & Clarke onto it, destroying the antenna in the process. That means it ''was'' possible for Event Horizon to send the message, as the communications system wasn't busted until the Lewis & Clarke arrived.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Is possible that possessing Justin only to doom him in the airlock is another way for the ship to torture its victims: not only does it get to kill one of the crew members horribly, but also destroys the morale of the rest, along with the effort spent in trying to save him.

to:

*** Is possible that possessing Justin only to doom him in the airlock is another way for the ship to torture its victims: not only does it get to kill one of the crew members horribly, but also destroys the morale of the rest, along with the exhaustion brought upon by the effort spent in trying to save him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** Is possible that possessing Justin only to doom him in the airlock is another way for the ship to torture its victims: not only does it get to kill one of the crew members in one of the most horrible ways imaginable, but also destroys the morale of the rest, along with the effort spent in trying to save him.

to:

*** Is possible that possessing Justin only to doom him in the airlock is another way for the ship to torture its victims: not only does it get to kill one of the crew members in one of the most horrible ways imaginable, horribly, but also destroys the morale of the rest, along with the effort spent in trying to save him.

Top