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*** I mean, does he? Dark Knights are a Strength-based class, but Ringabel focuses more on Intelligence.
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** Ringabel is Alternis the Dark Knight so he has the stats of an ideal Dark Knight
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** Specifically, the timelines would have diverged completely when Alternis Dim steals your airship near Ancheim and encounters Ringabel in the process. The fact that you have Alternis / Ringabel's diary would have also caused substantial divergence on its own, since it's implied the characters are following it even if it's rarely discussed.

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** Specifically, the timelines would have diverged completely when Alternis Dim steals your airship near Ancheim and encounters Ringabel in the process. process - after that he starts to understand what's really going on, which leads directly to the confrontation at the end of that cycle where Airy's plans start to fall apart. The fact that you have Alternis / Ringabel's diary would have also caused substantial divergence on its own, since it's implied the characters are following it even if it's rarely discussed.as well.
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** Specifically, the timelines would have diverged completely when Alternis Dim steals your airship near Ancheim and encounters Ringabel in the process.

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** Specifically, the timelines would have diverged completely when Alternis Dim steals your airship near Ancheim and encounters Ringabel in the process. The fact that you have Alternis / Ringabel's diary would have also caused substantial divergence on its own, since it's implied the characters are following it even if it's rarely discussed.
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** Specifically, the timelines would have diverged completely when Alternis Dim steals your airship near Ancheim and encounters Ringabel in the process.
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[[folder: Thief Asterisk. Why. Why is it a thing?]]
* Yulyana created the Asterisks to supplant the church's control over the job system, and had to trick the church into accepting them at first. Therefore, the asterisks represent the jobs that the church would have wanted to distribute widely among the populace. That being the case, ''why is there a Thief Asterisk?''
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* Honor is an unfortunately malleable concept. Honor driven individuals and cultures have both been involved in some horrifically dishonorable acts in human history, all the while believing their actions to be consistent.
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** If I had to BS a justification, I’d say that his life as a disenfranchised abandoned/orphaned child living in the slums of Florem meant his early life was pretty demanding, and it’s not a surprise that being in that situation taught him very quickly to be quick and clever, since he couldn’t be big or strong.
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* Edea is a physical MightyGlacier because she actually has formal combat training, unlike the rest of the party. Agnes is a SquishyWizard because she's the most devoted to the Crystals and is a Vestal. Tiz is a JackOfAllStats because he's a farmer, so he'd need to be well-rounded in all sorts of things. What about Ringabel? Do his slightly magic-based FragileSpeedster stats have a similar justification?
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** Using one of the AR cards shows Tiz dying after climbing out of the Great Chasm, only to absorb a bright light drifting down. Shortly after, you start controlling him and he's perfectly fine. In other words, Tiz lives, saves the world, falls in love, and makes all of these friends and allies across the world... [[HeartwarmingMoments because of you.]]

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** Using one of the AR cards shows Tiz dying after climbing out of the Great Chasm, only to absorb a bright light drifting down. Shortly after, you start controlling him and he's perfectly fine. In other words, Tiz lives, saves the world, falls in love, and makes all of these friends and allies across the world... [[HeartwarmingMoments [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments because of you.]]
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* In all loops you visit, Lord [=DeRosso=] has the painting of their encounter with the Angel. Does that means more than one of Anges visited a different alternate world?

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* In all loops you visit, Lord [=DeRosso=] has the painting of their encounter with the Angel. Does that means more than one of Anges the Angels visited a different alternate world?



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** The vestals awaken the crystals by pulling their power from the next world in the cycle, that's what the prayers do, so the Duchy is trying to find a way to awaken them without putting a new link in the chain, which they are aware of by Yulyanna and Derosso.

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** The vestals awaken the crystals by pulling their power from the next world in the cycle, that's what the prayers do, so the Duchy is trying to find a way to awaken them without putting a new link in the chain, which they are aware of by Yulyanna and Derosso.[=DeRosso=].



** It's fairly clear from early on that while the Eternian Forces actions are terrible, that there is something else going on. Edea's black-and-white view is dangerous because it prevents her from thinking about the bigger picture. On the face of it, this seems to be a shallow justification for war when we see Kamiizumi involved in Eisenberg's civil war, but further investigation reveals that while their methods are indeed abhorrent their goals are good ones. Only when Edea discovers the reality of the situation, and the more reasonable motivations of at least some of the characters (primarily Braev and Kamiizumi) is she able to mitigate the damage done by the whole mess. It doesn't justify the Duchy's actions, but the party do what they can, at least somewhat. Edea ultimately avoids making the same mistakes as her father, whose similar attitude leads him in multiple realities to crush Crystalism without considering the consequences. Not only does this ruthlessly punish innocent people (he seems to have utterly ignored Yulyana and DeRosso), but it's counter-productive in terms of Braev's actual goals; obtaining ''either'' ending requires a Vestal with knowledge of the Crystals.

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** It's fairly clear from early on that while the Eternian Forces actions are terrible, that there is something else going on. Edea's black-and-white view is dangerous because it prevents her from thinking about the bigger picture. On the face of it, this seems to be a shallow justification for war when we see Kamiizumi involved in Eisenberg's civil war, but further investigation reveals that while their methods are indeed abhorrent their goals are good ones. Only when Edea discovers the reality of the situation, and the more reasonable motivations of at least some of the characters (primarily Braev and Kamiizumi) is she able to mitigate the damage done by the whole mess. It doesn't justify the Duchy's actions, but the party do what they can, at least somewhat. Edea ultimately avoids making the same mistakes as her father, whose similar attitude leads him in multiple realities to crush Crystalism without considering the consequences. Not only does this ruthlessly punish innocent people (he seems to have utterly ignored Yulyana and DeRosso), [=DeRosso=]), but it's counter-productive in terms of Braev's actual goals; obtaining ''either'' ending requires a Vestal with knowledge of the Crystals.



** Annoyingly, it is not. The characters act terribly surprised, and Tiz's lines about no-one foreseeing Airy's treachery ''directly contradict'' both what we learnt several chapters ago (Main Scenario, not sub- ones). I wonder if this was done in case anyone had gone straight to the true ending without triggering the false one. But even then, doing so would have ''required'' that they witnessed the events surrounding Ringabel's memories and Yulyana's exposition (if not DeRosso's which was oddly relagated to a sub-scenario). Chronologically, they knew enough to at the ''very least'' be suspicious, even if they refrain from accusing Airy outright (indeed, Ringabel seems to be struggling with having to go through the Holy Pillar time and again). The characters' lack of understanding at the ending is rather confusing; the information was there, we had their reactions (many times, if we include the false ending) it's as though the writers decided to ignore all of it when it came to the game's climax.

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** Annoyingly, it is not. The characters act terribly surprised, and Tiz's lines about no-one foreseeing Airy's treachery ''directly contradict'' both what we learnt several chapters ago (Main Scenario, not sub- ones). I wonder if this was done in case anyone had gone straight to the true ending without triggering the false one. But even then, doing so would have ''required'' that they witnessed the events surrounding Ringabel's memories and Yulyana's exposition (if not DeRosso's [=DeRosso=]'s which was oddly relagated to a sub-scenario). Chronologically, they knew enough to at the ''very least'' be suspicious, even if they refrain from accusing Airy outright (indeed, Ringabel seems to be struggling with having to go through the Holy Pillar time and again). The characters' lack of understanding at the ending is rather confusing; the information was there, we had their reactions (many times, if we include the false ending) it's as though the writers decided to ignore all of it when it came to the game's climax.



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** The Vampire sidequest literally tells you how Yulyana gained immortality - he was already extremely old but made a potion using old Orthodoxy document that would give himself immortality (or at least keep him from aging, I believe the game implies he can be killed with force). As far as DeRosso himself, the implication is that he used Ouroboros' power to reach his younger self and to give himself immortality.

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** The Vampire sidequest literally tells you how Yulyana gained immortality - he was already extremely old but made a potion using old Orthodoxy document that would give himself immortality (or at least keep him from aging, I believe the game implies he can be killed with force). As far as DeRosso [=DeRosso=] himself, the implication is that he used Ouroboros' power to reach his younger self and to give himself immortality.
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** What I meant was the history of the duchy of Eternia than the asterisk bearer's working under him. And maybe, while Edea knows of the asterisk bearer's, asides the Venus sister's, Alternis and Kamiizumi whom she is close to, she doesn't know the others in a personal level.
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** That conflicts with the fact that not only did he let her join the Sky Knights, whose history you claim he wanted to hide from her, but her first assignment was to help Ominas Crowe with arson and kidnapping.

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** That conflicts with the fact that not only did he let her join the Sky Knights, whose history you claim he wanted to hide from her, but her first assignment was to help Ominas Crowe with arson and kidnapping. So he didn't want to tell Edea the history of their country out of fear it would dishearten her but he had no problem sending her out to experience the fighting firsthand.
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** That conflicts with the fact that not only did he let her join the Sky Knights, whose history you claim he wanted to hide from her, but her first assignment was to help Ominas Crowe with arson and kidnapping.
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** [[LockedOutOfTheLoop I'm pretty sure Braev might just keep the truth of the duchy out from Edea's ears]]. It's not uncommon for parents to hide sad things for the sake of their children's happiness.
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* Edea was seemingly unaware of the corruption of the Crystal Orthodoxy, her father's relationship to the Orthodoxy, the events and people related to the Duchy's uprising and the reasons why the Duchy wanted control of the Crystals. Why doesn't she know what should be basic history and well known information in Eternia, especially when her father is the revolutionary leader of the country and her mother is being treated by with energies of the Earth Crystal?
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** The fairy in the opening movie (the very first one, just after you click the "new game" button and choose your settings) is Anne, not Airy. We can presume that it's largely her intervention that caused the differences. Ringabel's involvement might also be something of a ButterflyEffect on the timeline. Alternis Dim falling into the next world caused the first anomaly, and they merely stacked up afterwords, similar to how one car crash can cause other collisions, or one corrupted file can destroy an entire hard drive.
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** It's also possible she may have just not put the pieces together. Their personalities are totally different and they talk in a different way (Ringabel starts to talk stilted like him a bit when he first regains his memory, then reverts to his smoother way of talking). It's like seeing someone who looks just like someone you know, especially when you believe that there's no chance for it to actually be them. You just think something like 'The look just like X, wow!' and dismiss it. It probably wasn't until seeing them side by side that Edea realised that they didn't just look similar, they were identical.

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** It's also possible she may have just not put the pieces together. Their personalities are totally different and they talk in a different way (Ringabel starts to talk stilted like him a bit when he first regains his memory, then reverts to his smoother way of talking). It's like seeing someone who looks just like someone you know, especially when you believe that there's no chance for it to actually be them. You just think something like 'The 'They look just like X, wow!' and dismiss it. It probably wasn't until seeing them side by side that Edea realised that they didn't just look similar, they were identical.
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** It's also possible she may have just not put the pieces together. Their personalities are totally different and they talk in a different way (Ringabel starts to talk stilted like him a bit when he first regains his memory, then reverts to his smoother way of talking). It's like seeing someone who looks just like someone you know, especially when you believe that there's no chance for it to actually be them. You just think something like 'The look just like X, wow!' and dismiss it. It probably wasn't until seeing them side by side that Edea realised that they didn't just look similar, they were identical.
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**** This is why all the WellIntentionedExtremist ideals falls flat in the first world, because his men really would end up destroying the world in the long run. It just doesn't seem as bad in later cycles because the characters end up more negotiable, kinder or just downright goofy.

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** The vestals awaken the crystals by pulling their power from the next world in the cycle, that's what the prayers do, so theDuchy is trying to find a way to awaken them without putting a new link in the chain, which they are aware of by Yulyanna and Derosso.

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** The vestals awaken the crystals by pulling their power from the next world in the cycle, that's what the prayers do, so theDuchy the Duchy is trying to find a way to awaken them without putting a new link in the chain, which they are aware of by Yulyanna and Derosso.Derosso.
** He wants the Vestals taken alive, as he's stated many times, but he sends psychopaths to bring them in. The net result was that all of them were killed as a result barring Agnes, since he can't seem to manage his own forces.



** It's possible to destroy the crystal as soon as you hit world two, so they had to make the scene fit in case such a descision was made.

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*** And when she tried that in the second cycle, it got her killed. His mistake was that he saw a goal and put everything into attaining it, not giving a damn for how it was accomplished, placed them into positions of power, despite knowing all of their despicable acts, and left them free reign instead of replacing them as long as they got results. That makes him just as bad as them, since if you knowingly hire psychopaths and put them into a position to abuse their power, then you hold just as much blame.
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[[folder:Nothing But Dishonor]]
* How can Kamiizumi claim to be honorable considering the actions of his men as well as basically being in charge of child slavery in the mines? It makes his speech to Edea before their fight come off incredibly hypocritical and self-righteous.
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* Airy makes it clear that there's been countless cycles of the party activating the crystals and bringing about the Pillar, so what made the cycle the game starts with stand out? How did things start going differently? The only 2 differences I can see is that it's apparently the first cycle where Ringabel joined the group but he didn't really do or say anything to alter their course. The second is that this is apparently when the Celestial Being started being involved in "guiding" the party. But why so late in the plan where there's literally JUST a few more cycles to go? Why not get involved much sooner?

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* Airy makes it clear that there's been countless cycles of the party activating the crystals and bringing about the Pillar, so what made the cycle the game starts with stand out? How did things start going differently? The only 2 differences I can see is that it's apparently the first cycle where Ringabel joined the group but he didn't really do or say anything to alter their course. Not to mention that Alternis Dim following the party is just what happened every time, so how did he happened to end up in the next cycle this time? The second thing is that this is apparently when the Celestial Being started being involved in "guiding" the party. But why so late in the plan where there's literally JUST a few more cycles to go? Why not get involved much sooner?
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* Airy makes it clear that there's been countless cycles of the party activating the crystals and bringing about the Pillar, so what made the cycle the game starts with stand out? How did things start going differently? The only 2 differences I can see is that it's apparently the first cycle where Ringabel joined the group but he didn't really do or say anything to alter their course. The second is that this is apparently when the Celestial Being started being involved in "guiding" the party. But why so late in the plan where there's literally JUST a few more cycles to go? Why not get involved much sooner?
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** It's implied that he does know, and that his plan was for Edea to be a MoralityPet to them to keep them in line, but it backfired with her turning traitor due to their atrocities.
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* Why does Braev seemingly not know, or even not care about how almost all of his greatest soldiers, even two of his own council, are varying shades of corrupt, crazy or just downright sadistic? It's one thing to be utilizing harsh methods to save the world, but why allow such horrible people free reign to do as they please?

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