Fridge / Final Crisis
- I just read the conclusion to Batman R.I.P. It just hit me that IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! What hit me a second later was: IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO! But while I'm talking about DC continuity, I originally didn't like the fact that Infinite Crisis ended, and immediately afterward, we got 52 and Countdown, which was a blatant lead up to yet another crisis. I originally thought: Wow, DC... way to leech our money you bastards. But then I thought, wait... this is all one event. INFINITE CRISIS ISN'T OVER! It's in the title, it's INFINITE. And as I was typing this very statement, Ultimate Fridge Brilliance if you will, I realized that it's really a send-up of Continuity Snarl and Cosmic Retcons and quick continuity fixes, as well as a MASSIVE Take That at continuity-obsessed fanboys. I mean, the whole reason Superboy-Prime ended up a villain was because he just wouldn't stop bitching about how his world was so much better and how he was gonna find his perfect earth and make everything better. It just dawned on me that Superboy-Prime is just a send-up of the Unpleasable Fanbase, the assholes who get mad because their favorite comic goes in the wrong artistic direction, or somebody dies that they don't want dead. Seriously, consider his origin. He was a normal kid in a universe with no superheroes. Superboy-Prime is what happens when you give the geek with too much time on his hands superpowers. And in the end, what happens? Continuity ends up more FUBAR than it was PRIOR to Infinite Crisis. What an epiphany. — Maximus
- It gets better. Kal-L of Earth-2, Superboy-Prime, and Alex Luthor are "things were better back how they used to be," "You're doing it wrong!" and "This is unrealistic, make it darker and edgier" respectively. — biznizz
- In Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds, Superboy-Prime is sent to live in "the real world" where all of his exploits are made into comics written by Geoff Johns. The last panel is of him logging onto a DC comics message board. Anvil time.
- Consider the death of Major Disaster during Infinite Crisis at the hands of Superboy-Prime: the catalyst for Disaster joining the Justice League of America during the Kelly run was an issue of Action Comics (#783) in which Superman (following the events of Our Worlds At War) wants to offer a second chance to a group of criminals lest one day they confront someone like Superman, yet *unlike* him, a superhuman who's willing to kill. Fast forward to IC and who kills Disaster? Someone who's like Superman, but willing to kill. Self-fulfilling prophecy, anyone? bannermanonemillion
- While on the subject of Superboy-Prime, his bloodlust makes a lot more sense when you realize he knows he's in a comic book. None of these people matter to him because none of them are real. He's basically playing Grand Theft Auto on a cosmic scale.
- In Final Crisis: Superman Beyond, during the climax Superman gets a weird giant statue version of himself made out of idealism and stories. It wasn't until later that I realized that Superman got literal Plot Armor: Armor made out of plot.
- In Final Crisis, Barry Allen frees his wife from the Anti-Life Equation by kissing her. This seems to come out of nowhere, but then in Blackest Night, he temporarily becomes a Blue Lantern, wielding the power of hope. Back in Sandman, Dream and Choronzon are playing the oldest game, and when Choronzon declares himself to be Anti-Life, Dream wins by saying, "I am hope." Whether or not Geoff Johns told Grant Morrison about his Blackest Night plans, or whether this is an example of Johns doing the research rather than excessively fanboying the Silver Age heroes, it's pretty cool - Loki Lie-Smith
- If the Anti-Life equation affects anyone who sees or hears it, why not just go into battle with it playing on loudspeakers? Why go into battle at all? Press the speakers against their fortresses, turn up the volume, and then quietly wait for whoever is on that side to walk over and open the door for you to go inside and reach the rest. While the audio-based zombification is amazingly effective as shown, usage of extremely common and simple equipment would have made it completely unstoppable.
- Darkseid's not simply about control, he also wants to crush resistance. He wants to see the people who escaped his control get brutalized for their good fortune.
- If Superman wished for a happy ending on a box that could do anything, why would he not resurrect his old friend? Would Clark's idea of a happy ending not necessarily include Bruce? With the ending of Final Crisis being as it is, why would any of the negatives even exist? It would have made far more sense for Final Crisis to have lead directly into the Universe Reboot (similarly to how Mortal Kombat Armageddon led into the MK:9 reboot of the franchise) rather than to have to deal with the aftermath AFTER unleashing a supposedly unlimited wish spell to restore the multiverse.
- What if he did? After all, he wished for a happy ending, not a happy in-the-middle. What if, before Superman's wish (on some objective, extra-story timescale), Batman was killed instantly by Darkseid's Omega Beams. But after Superman's wish, Darkseid's Omega Effect instead sent Batman back through time as part of a convoluted Taking You with Me plot- which Bruce ultimately escapes, returning to Gotham to save everybody again. There was a happy ending- it just took a while to get to.
Edit: Wrong. Batman's resurrection was not due to anything Superman did. It was Darkseid's backup plan. In case he somehow failed and was defeated, Batman was sent through time with the Omega Sanction followed by the "Hyper Adaptor", an apokoliptian adaptive sentient weapon directed to oversee Batman's time travel. The plan was for Omega energy to build up in Batman as he was hurled through time and a succession of increasingly terrible lives and for the energy to go critical when he returned to the present thereby destroying reality. The Hyper Adaptor's job was to prompt the time jump and keep Batman on course and off balance. The Adaptor eventually merged with Batman and was going to force him back to the present but was stopped by the justice league, acting on a plan Batman himself set in motion during these events. Source: "The Return of Bruce Wayne" and various other comics post Final Crisis.
- I'm pretty sure the poster above is aware of that (indeed, they pretty much establish that they are through use of terms like "convoluted Taking You with Me plot" — which Darkseid's scheme pretty much is). They're speculating that the reason Darkseid went through that whole convoluted back-up plan rather than just killing Batman there and then is because Superman made his wish for a happy ending, which retroactively changed things in order to ensure Batman's ultimate survival.
- I don't buy it. Using Batman as a back up plan by turning him into a living deadman's switch for the prime DCU is exactly the kind of petty vindictive vengeance that Darkseid specializes in. It's entirely within his M.O. and personality. "Even if I lose, I'll make sure you pay a price for your victory." Dan Turpin, the destruction of Themyscaera, taking Highfather with him to the Source Wall, cutting a deal with President Lex Luthor for Doomsday to repay Earth's war debt to Apokolips, etc.
- Darkseid has met Batman before on a few occasions, and while Bruce probably isn't the #1 threat on Darkseid's list, surely Darkseid knows better than to let Batman monologue him.
- While most of Darkside's Elite are accounted for in the aftermath, several simply vanish. While it's implied that their Grand Theft Me gambits are risky and would kill the hosts, Darkseid himself went through several without explanation before fully possessing Dan Turpin. Characters like Steppenwolf and Mantis have enough intelligence, personal ability, and independence to be massive threats (especially without Darkseid to keep them in check), and Baron Bedlam in particular had long since mastered possessing robotic bodies. Nothing ever comes of any of these.