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* After dispatching Bartleby and preventing the end of existence, God makes quick work of the mess he made in front of the church by clearing the street of debris--including the bodies of the crowd that Bartleby had slaughtered just prior. Those people's families probably don't even know they're dead yet, and now won't receive their loved one's remains to bury or cremate or complete any other human mourning ritual. Efficient, but lacking in empathy.
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* After dispatching Bartleby and preventing the end of existence, God makes quick work of the mess he made in front of the church by clearing the street of debris--including the bodies of the crowd that Bartleby had slaughtered just prior. Those people's families probably don't even know they're dead yet, and now won't receive their loved one's remains to bury or cremate or complete any other human mourning ritual. Efficient, but kind of lacking in empathy.empathy, particularly since so many human mourning rituals are religious in nature, and most of the people in the crowd are mentioned to be Catholic parishioners.
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* After dispatching Bartleby and preventing the end of existence, God makes quick work of the mess he made in front of the church by clearing the street of debris--including the bodies of the crowd that Bartleby had slaughtered just prior. Those people's families probably don't even know they're dead yet, and now won't receive their loved one's human remains to bury or cremate or complete any other human mourning ritual. Efficient, but lacking in empathy.
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* After dispatching Bartleby and preventing the end of existence, God makes quick work of the mess he made in front of the church by clearing the street of debris--including the bodies of the crowd that Bartleby had slaughtered just prior. Those people's families probably don't even know they're dead yet, and now won't receive their loved one's human remains to bury or cremate or complete any other human mourning ritual. Efficient, but lacking in empathy.
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_in_the_Catholic_Church its first Jubilee]], with a great plenary indulgence for everyone passing through a certain door? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow on the uptake...
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_in_the_Catholic_Church its first Jubilee]], with a great plenary indulgence for everyone passing through a certain door? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow on the uptake...uptake...
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* After dispatching Bartleby and preventing the end of existence, God makes quick work of the mess he made in front of the church by clearing the street of debris--including the bodies of the crowd that Bartleby had slaughtered just prior. Those people's families probably don't even know they're dead yet, and now won't receive their loved one's human remains to bury or cremate or complete any other human mourning ritual. Efficient, but lacking in empathy.
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* After dispatching Bartleby and preventing the end of existence, God makes quick work of the mess he made in front of the church by clearing the street of debris--including the bodies of the crowd that Bartleby had slaughtered just prior. Those people's families probably don't even know they're dead yet, and now won't receive their loved one's human remains to bury or cremate or complete any other human mourning ritual. Efficient, but lacking in empathy.
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** And let's go ahead and say it... [[IncrediblyLamePun Holy Shit!]]
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** And let's go ahead and say it... [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} Holy Shit!]]
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_in_the_Catholic_Church its first Jubilee]], with a great plenary indulgence for everyone passing through a certain door? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at the uptake...
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_in_the_Catholic_Church its first Jubilee]], with a great plenary indulgence for everyone passing through a certain door? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at on the uptake...
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated its first Jubilee, with a great plenary indulgence for everyone passing through a certain door? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at the uptake...
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_in_the_Catholic_Church its first Jubilee, Jubilee]], with a great plenary indulgence for everyone passing through a certain door? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at the uptake...
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated its first Jubilee, with a great plenary indulgence for everyone? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at the uptake...
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* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated its first Jubilee, with a great plenary indulgence for everyone? everyone passing through a certain door? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at the uptake...
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* It makes sense that the pen-holders writing the bible would refer to God as 'Him', "any time some yahoo claims they've spoken to god, they're speaking to me... (or they're talking to themselves)" they didn't talk to god, they talked to the voice of god, and therefore, they were talking to someone who appeared to be male, and therefore, God is male by their logic.
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* It makes sense that the pen-holders writing the bible would refer to God as 'Him', "any time some yahoo claims they've spoken to god, they're speaking to me... (or they're talking to themselves)" they didn't talk to god, they talked to the voice of god, and therefore, they were talking to someone who appeared to be male, and therefore, God is male by their logic.logic.
* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated its first Jubilee, with a great plenary indulgence for everyone? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at the uptake...
* You know when the Catholic Church celebrated its first Jubilee, with a great plenary indulgence for everyone? ''In 1300''. Azrael, Bartleby and Loki must have been terribly slow at the uptake...
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* Bartleby's jab at Loki about E.T. and Krush Groove ("This from the guy who owes me ten bucks over what was gonna be the bigger movie, E.T. or Krush Groove?") is pretty funny on its own, but funnier still when you peel back a few layers. Krush Groove came out three years after E.T., meaning Loki made that bet already knowing how big a movie E.T. was. (Either that or his knowledge of pop culture is just that lacking.) Loki's retort ("time's gonna tell on that one") is just as absurd, but then again - these are immortal beings who have witnessed all of human history. The 14 years between Krush Groove and the events of Dogma are pretty short in that light. King Lear was not a real popular play for contemporary audiences given its utterly depressing themes and ending, but is now considered one of Shakespeare's very finest works. Loki may just be dodging payment of a bet he made in a less-enlightened moment, or might sincerely believe the ravages of time will be kind to (what we think of today as) a completely forgettable and mostly unknown movie.
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*** Considering the previous sentence was "No denomination's nailed it yet," it's hard to read Serendipity as including those things. And also, the "faith" one has is science is widely considered to be fundamentally different. And she said "it doesn't matter what you have faith in", not "it's important that you have faith that the universe is mostly constant". What if I have faith that the universe is random and [[MurphysLaw mostly shitty]]? According to Serendipity's logic, especially if it doesn't just mean religious faith, that's fine too, and still much better than not having faith at all.
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*** Considering the previous sentence was "No denomination's nailed it yet," it's hard to read Serendipity as including those things. And also, the "faith" one has is science is widely considered to be fundamentally different. And she said "it doesn't matter what you have faith in", not "it's important that you have faith that the universe is mostly constant". What if I have faith that the universe is random and [[MurphysLaw mostly shitty]]? shitty? According to Serendipity's logic, especially if it doesn't just mean religious faith, that's fine too, and still much better than not having faith at all.
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** Papal Infallibility does not mean, and never has meant, what you think it does.
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*** Apparently, God mellowed out (maybe learning from her mistake in this film) and allowed Loki back, as he explains in ''[[Film/JayandSilentBobReboot Jay and Silent Bob Reboot]]''. As for Bartleby, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse it's hard to know for sure]]. It could be possible that she realized they were being unwitting pawn and granted them both forgiveness for what happened (though the decree that Angels aren't allow to drink alcohol was probably kept in place).
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*** Apparently, God mellowed out (maybe learning from her mistake in this film) and allowed Loki back, as he explains in ''[[Film/JayandSilentBobReboot Jay and Silent Bob Reboot]]''. As for Bartleby, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse it's hard to know for sure]]. It could be possible that she realized they were being unwitting pawn pawns and granted them both forgiveness for what happened (though the decree that Angels aren't allow to drink alcohol was probably kept in place).
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** Worse than that... Imagine what [[UpToEleven Randall must be saying to Dante at that moment.]]
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*** Apparently, God mellowed out (maybe learning from her mistake in this film) and allowed Loki back, as he explains in ''[[Film/JayandSilentBobReboot Jay and Silent Bob Reboot]]''. As for Bartleby, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse it's hard to know for sure]]. It could be possible that she realized he was being an unwitting pawn and granted him forgiveness for what happened (though the decree that Angels aren't allow to drink alcohol was probably kept in place).
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*** Apparently, God mellowed out (maybe learning from her mistake in this film) and allowed Loki back, as he explains in ''[[Film/JayandSilentBobReboot Jay and Silent Bob Reboot]]''. As for Bartleby, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse it's hard to know for sure]]. It could be possible that she realized he was they were being an unwitting pawn and granted him them both forgiveness for what happened (though the decree that Angels aren't allow to drink alcohol was probably kept in place).
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*** Apparently, God mellowed out (maybe learning from her mistake in this film) and allowed Loki back, as he explains in ''[[Film/JayandSilentBobReboot Jay and Silent Bob Reboot]]''. As for Bartleby, [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse it's hard to know for sure]]. It could be possible that she realized he was being an unwitting pawn and granted him forgiveness for what happened (though the decree that Angels aren't allow to drink alcohol was probably kept in place).
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* Silent Bob carries a mini air-freshner around with him. He and Jay are stoners, so of course he'd have it in case of emergencies when they need to get rid of the smell of weed.
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* A somewhat more humorous example, that nun is going to be AWFULLY SURPRISED when she dies and wakes up in the afterlife being judged for robbing the Church and leaving her vocation on Loki's advice.
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* It makes sense that the pen-holders writing the bible would refer to God as 'Him', "any time some yahoo claims they've spoken to god, they're speaking to me... (or they're talking to themselves)" they didn't talk to god, they talked to the voice of god, and therefore, they were talking to someone who appeared to be male, and therefore, God is male by their logic.
* It makes sense that the pen-holders writing the bible would refer to God as 'Him', "any time some yahoo claims they've spoken to god, they're speaking to me... (or they're talking to themselves)" they didn't talk to god, they talked to the voice of god, and therefore, they were talking to someone who appeared to be male, and therefore, God is male by their logic.
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** Both would be true for Bathany if you were to look at it from ACertainPointOfView. [[spoiler:She died and then reborn through God's power. She's at the start of her second life so she would be both a virgin and without sin.]]
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--> "The whole world is against us dude. ''I swear to God''."
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** Rufus is almost certainly just bending the situation slightly to accommodate his audience, a motley group of late twentieth-century Americans who likely don't know the local currency of ancient Judea or how it translates to a two-thousand year exchange rate. Jesus probably owes Rufus a few Roman dinari or something, Rufus has just altered that to "twelve bucks" to get across the fundamental point that he knows Jesus well enough to be willing to lend him a reasonable amount of money.
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** Further supported by dialog from other characters. Bartleby's main beef with God is that he gave humans so many great things that the Angels don't have and humans don't realize how good they have it and are ungreatful. Rufus also suggest that Jesus was happiest when the Apostles where going on about their little problems, he was listening and smiling to them. Glick's problem is that he thinks the crucifiction of Jesus is gruesome and turning people away from the church and chooses to use the "Buddy Christ" to highlight the JesusWasWayCool part of the faith. Azreal even says that Evil is a human construct designed to blame their sins on demons rather than just fess up because humans don't believe God can for give them. Even the fact that Angels can't drink alcohol but humans can stealthily hints at this, alluding to Benjamin Franklin's famous quote, "Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to have fun." And keep in mind that of the 10 commandments, 7 are sins against your fellow man, I.E. stopping them from having fun. God explaining the idea like this is dull and boring and contributes to the problem everyone is having in the film: They are looking a gift horse in the mouth. The world is ours, enjoy yourselves, so long as you aren't stopping others from doing the same (which, is very much in line with Catholic dogma to boot.).
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** Further supported by dialog from other characters. Bartleby's main beef with God is that he gave humans so many great things that the Angels don't have and humans don't realize how good they have it and are ungreatful. ungrateful. Rufus also suggest that Jesus was happiest when the Apostles where were going on about their little problems, he was listening and smiling to them. Glick's problem is that he thinks the crucifiction Crucifixion of Jesus is gruesome and turning people away from the church and chooses to use the "Buddy Christ" to highlight the JesusWasWayCool part of the faith. Azreal even says that Evil is a human construct designed to blame their sins on demons rather than just fess up because humans don't believe God can for give forgive them. Even the fact that Angels can't drink alcohol but humans can stealthily hints at this, alluding to Benjamin Franklin's famous quote, "Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to have fun." And keep in mind that of the 10 commandments, 7 are sins against your fellow man, I.E. stopping them from having fun. God explaining the idea like this is dull and boring and contributes to the problem everyone is having in the film: They are looking a gift horse in the mouth. The world is ours, enjoy yourselves, so long as you aren't stopping others from doing the same (which, is very much in line with Catholic dogma to boot.).
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** This is actually addressed in a deleted scene. When asked why they simply didn't just leave Wisconsin, Loki replies that they thought God would have sent them someplace ''worse'', [[TakeThat like New Jersey]].
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** Further supported by dialog from other characters. Bartleby's main beef with God is that he gave humans so many great things that the Angels don't have and humans don't realize how good they have it and are ungreatful. Rufus also suggest that Jesus was happiest when the Apostles where going on about their little problems, he was listening and smiling to them. Glick's problem is that he thinks the crucifiction of Jesus is gruesome and turning people away from the church and chooses to use the "Buddy Christ" to highlight the JesusWasWayCool part of the faith. Azreal even says that Evil is a human construct designed to blame their sins on demons rather than just fess up because humans don't believe God can for give them. Even the fact that Angels can't drink alcohol but humans can stealthily hints at this, alluding to Benjamin Franklin's famous quote, "Beer is Proof that God loves us and wants us to have fun." And keep in mind that of the 10 commandments, 7 are sins against your fellow man, I.E. stopping them from having fun. God explaining the idea like this is dull and boring and contributes to the problem everyone is having in the film: They are looking a gift horse in the mouth. The world is ours, enjoy yourselves, so long as you aren't stopping others from doing the same (which, is very much in line with Catholic dogma to boot.).
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** Sin doesn't work that way in Catholic Dogma. Specifically, a sin is only committed when one knows it is a sin and still does it. With her judgement clouded by trauma and depression from a sin against her, she clearly is not in the right mental state to be considered sinful. Unlike real life, ignorance of divine law is an excuse. Catholics actually make no judgement on whether God has judged them damnable or not as it is not their place and they are big on forgiveness. The closest they get is declaring someone a Saint, as Saints are people who are most definitely in heaven... but not declaring a person a Saint does not mean someone is in hell... it just means the evidence of going to heaven has not been presented.
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** Obviously, he or his father converted. While rare, it's perfectly normal for a convert to rise in Catholic hierarchy. Just look at the first Pope...
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* As the main page notes, God is presented as OneOfUs in the film, loving skeeball and maybe some other bits of pop culture. Well, Adam ''was'' made in God's image...
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* At the start of the film, Bethany admits to having no faith, working in an abortion clinic and otherwise not really being an ideal Catholic by any real measure. Her abrupt death in the film's climax when she takes God off of life support to save existence is simply a very direct application of RedemptionEqualsDeath, and her resurrection is the sign of her having earned forgiveness for her sins, and being born again to carry out God's work.
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* Bordering on StealthPun: Jay, [[AmbiguousSyntax somewhat off the mark]], asks "Silent Bob's an instrument of God!?" Well, he's played by Kevin Smith, the film's writer and director, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall so as far as ''this'' movie is concerned...]]
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* Bordering on StealthPun: Jay, [[AmbiguousSyntax somewhat off the mark]], asks "Silent Bob's an instrument of God!?" Well, he's played by Kevin Smith, the film's writer and director, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall so as far as ''this'' this movie is concerned...]]
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* Bordering on StealthPun: Jay, [[AmbiguousSyntax somewhat off the mark]], asks "Silent Bob's an instrument of God!?"
Well, he's played by Kevin Smith, the film's writer and director, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall so as far as ''this'' movie is concerned...]]
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* Bordering on StealthPun: Jay, [[AmbiguousSyntax somewhat off the mark]], asks "Silent Bob's an instrument of God!?"
God!?" Well, he's played by Kevin Smith, the film's writer and director, [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall so as far as ''this'' movie is concerned...]]
