History DethroningMoment / MarvelComics

* Kodasboy: I'm honestly gobsmacked that not a single entry has discussed the ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}''. Now I must admit, most of it to me falls into SoBadItsGood, especially the fact that Creator/SpikeLee is the freakin' Kingpin, and how a time machine made out of UsefulNotes/{{Playstation}} consoles is part of the central plot line . Hell, the entire scene where a man stops a protest just to be a snob and gets beaned by a meteorite would've been gold. Sadly, in a world full of Narm and being based around a rather obvious AuthorTract, there's not that much to be really...proud of for Marvel Comics. Though the moment [[OutOfCharacterMoment Iron Man literally smashes two street thieves heads together, and murders another]] comes off as really odd. And after killing them, he almost outright says the "N" Word in reference to all the people he forces into labor in Mexico, only to be corrected by ComicBook/BlackPanther. E-Excuse me? Sooo, [[DesignatedHero Tony Stark just went on a minor killing spree for a small crime]], [[UnfortunateImplications was about to go on to insult an entire race of people who've been both forced into slave labor and segregated from society when they got their freedom,]] and it was ALL [[PlayedForLaughs PLAYED FOR LAUGHS?!]] How did this even get past the editing process?! This would've shot the age rating up higher than it already was and it was...[[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids PG?!]] Not only is this CanonDefilement, but a straight up smack to my face. Iron Man is one of my favorite Marvel Superheroes of all time, and many people who I know and love are racial minorities. This isn't even funny anymore. How did this even get off the shelves? Hell, how did it even GET ON THE SHELVES.

** [=DaltimusPrime=]: Not to mention that the whole "Ethics in X" meme is a reference to a certain internet movement/debate [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement that is probably just left unnamed at this point.]] Not only do I, and many others, hate overt politics in my comics, but it also [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece dates the comic horribly]], like any meme. Even worse, with how volatile the whole situation is, it almost seems that the writers were simply begging for controversy by including the line. Ditto for the more recent "[unsolicited opinons about Israel?]" fiasco from the same comic.

* Kodasboy: I'm honestly gobsmacked that not a single entry has discussed the ''ComicBook/{{Marville}}''. Now I must admit, most of it to me falls into SoBadItsGood, especially the fact that Creator/SpikeLee is the freakin' Kingpin, and how a time machine made out of UsefulNotes/{{Playstation}} consoles is part of the central plot line . Hell, the entire scene where a man stops a protest just to be a snob and gets beaned by a meteorite would've been gold. Sadly, in a world full of Narm and being based around a rather obvious AuthorTract, there's not that much to be really...proud of for Marvel Comics. Though the moment [[OutOfCharacterMoment Iron Man literally smashes two street thieves heads together, and murders another]] comes off as really odd. And after killing them, he almost outright says the [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement "N" Word]] in reference to all the people he forces into labor in Mexico, only to be corrected by ComicBook/BlackPanther. E-Excuse me? Sooo, [[DesignatedHero Tony Stark just went on a minor killing spree for a small crime]], [[UnfortunateImplications was about to go on to insult an entire race of people who've been both forced into slave labor and segregated from society when they got their freedom,]] and it was ALL [[PlayedForLaughs PLAYED FOR LAUGHS?!]] How did this even get past the editing process?! This would've shot the age rating up higher than it already was and it was...[[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids PG?!]] Not only is this CanonDefilement, but a straight up smack to my face. Iron Man is one of my favorite Marvel Superheroes of all time, and many people who I know and love are racial minorities. This isn't even funny anymore. How did this even get off the shelves? Hell, how did it even GET ON THE SHELVES.

* SamMax: Let it be known that I saw the ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' film, and loved it so much, I actually decided to read [[ComicBook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy the comics]]. They're not bad so far, but there's one scene that convinced me that they probably wouldn't match up to the film. In the 2008 series, [[spoiler:as it turns out, most of the team was brought together via BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood by Mantis]]. It already didn't sit well with me. The team had every right to break up afterward, but I felt the team breaking up should have at least been saved for a few more issues. I never read many other Creator/MarvelComics, so I suppose it would make more sense if I did, and the scene wasn't bad enough to keep me from being interested in reading more, but there's a reason I prefer the movie's version.

* Tropers/{{Freezer}}: ''[[Webcomic/XMenUnlimited2021 X-Men Green]]'' took many of the flaws of the overall Krakoa arc (The mutant's seeming apathy over what's happening to the rest of the planet, only caring about what crimes mutants commit when it makes them look bad, looking the other way when said criminals escape justice), combines them with the character assassination of fan fave minor character Nature Girl (basically turning her into Mutant [[/Characters/BatmanPoisonIvy Poison Ivy]]) and wrapping it all in some horrible pacing and questionable story choices (Why should the reader care about these unrepentant eco-terrorists when the X-Men themselves clearly don't). {{Linkara}} gives his take on the first arc [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7gzefi1u5E here.]]

* Tropers/{{Zeloran}}: ComicBook/{{The Transformers}} comic published by {{Creator/Marvel}} was not particularly good, but for me the lowest and most stupid moment of the whole run was this: The Decepticons (Megatron and the Combaticons) and the Autobots (Optimus Prime and the Protectobots) engaged in a battle inside a videogame for the possession of some sort of "super fuel". The catch is that if Prime or Megatron were destroyed in the game, they would be also destroyed in real life. The Protectobots managed to beat the Combaticons and in the end also Megatron. But Megatron, by using a cheat code, managed to resurrect inside the game, shot Prime from behind, was about to finish him, only for Prime to react and send Megatron to his virtual death again. However, Prime declared himself to be the loser of the game. Why? Because in beating Megatron he unwillingly let some of the residents of the virtual game world die. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Prime committed suicide, leaving the Autobots without a leader and allowing the Decepticons to get their hands on a very rare and powerful fuel source thus endangering the Autobots and humanity as well, basically because he killed some video game characters.

* ChipGoffOfROR: Since returning to Marvel in 2015, the ''Franchise/StarWars'' comics have featured many fantastic stories told in comics. Unfortunately Si Spurrier’s run on the first ''ComicBook/StarWarsDoctorAphra'' series was something I found hard to swallow, especially during his initial ''Remastered'' arc. Here the level of quirky, BuffySpeak-riddled dialogue skyrocketed and the likeability of the titular Doctor Aphra plummeted. Now Aphra has always been on the darker end of the grey morality scale and part of Spurrier's character arc for her was to push how far she’d be willing to go to get what she wanted, but in one moment he overshot and very nearly made the character irredeemable in my eyes. The ''Remastered'' arc introduces the romantic pair of cyborg mercenaries, Tam Posla and Caysin Bog as part Aphra’s team, who plan on settling down together happily in the near future. In ''Doctor Aphra #18'', Aphra heartlessly uses Caysin as a decoy by activating a protocol in his programming and forces him to run straight into enemy fire, right in front of Tam. Not only did Spurrier toss aside an interesting character (not to mention killing off Tam Posla in the following arc, leading to an unfortunate case of BuryYourGays), but using said act to prop up his morality play regarding Aphra’s actions felt gross needlessly cruel. Aphra's ruthless behaviour is addressed in the following arcs of Spurrier's run, however even having the unrepentant serial killer droid Triple-Zero call her out was not enough to fix how soured I had become.

* {{ABlackRaptor}}: I'll never understand the praise Jason Aaron gets or why his ''ComicBook/WolverineAndTheXMen'' book is on so many recommendations lists, but the moment that sold me that this is simply the worst title being published is one of the earlier stories, about Kitty being impregnated. At the time, I assumed it was going to be some angsty story about her being pregnant with Colossus' kid now that the two were broken up, and expected to have a miscarriage for angst, but when I later actually got around to reading it, it was far, far worse than I imagined. Instead, Kitty has been impregnated against her will by the Brood, who planted eggs in her uterus so they can hatch and kill her. OK, the Brood are usually really squicky villains, but for fuck sake, this was beyond revolting. As well as being beyond disgusting, the idea they seem to miss is that intentionally impregnating a woman against her will is essentially rape, and this is the "fun" book that gets all the praise for how light-hearted it is! Now, I usually hate the phrase "raped my childhood", but given how Kitty was one of my all-time favorite X-Men from when I first began following the franchise years ago, this time the phrase actually has some credence, because he literally had a childhood favorite character raped. The rest of the run is very questionable with how it handles the female characters, but this was the first moment that made me realize that Jason Aaron really should not ever write any female characters, or anything for that matter.

* ChipGoffOfROR: Since returning to Marvel in 2015, the ''Franchise/StarWars'' comics have featured many fantastic stories told in comics. Unfortunately Si Spurrier’s run on the first ''Comic/StarWarsDoctorAphra'' series was something I found hard to swallow, especially during his initial ''Remastered'' arc. Here the level of quirky, BuffySpeak-riddled dialogue skyrocketed and the likeability of the titular Doctor Aphra plummeted. Now Aphra has always been on the darker end of the grey morality scale and part of Spurrier's character arc for her was to push how far she’d be willing to go to get what she wanted, but in one moment he overshot and very nearly made the character irredeemable in my eyes. The ''Remastered'' arc introduces the romantic pair of cyborg mercenaries, Tam Posla and Caysin Bog as part Aphra’s team, who plan on settling down together happily in the near future. In ''Doctor Aphra #18'', Aphra heartlessly uses Caysin as a decoy by activating a protocol in his programming and forces him to run straight into enemy fire, right in front of Tam. Not only did Spurrier toss aside an interesting character (not to mention killing off Tam Posla in the following arc, leading to an unfortunate case of BuryYourGays), but using said act to prop up his morality play regarding Aphra’s character felt incredibly gross and has soured my opinion of her character ever since. Aphra's ruthless behaviour is addressed in the following arcs of Spurrier's run, however even having the unrepentant serial killer droid Triple-Zero call her out was not enough for me.

* ChipGoffOfROR: Since returning to Marvel in 2015, the ''Franchise/StarWars'' comics have featured many fantastic stories told in comics. Unfortunately Si Spurrier’s run on the first ''Comic/DoctorAphra'' series was something I found hard to swallow, especially during his initial ''Remastered'' arc. Here the level of quirky, BuffySpeak-riddled dialogue skyrocketed and the likeability of the titular Doctor Aphra plummeted. Now Aphra has always been on the darker end of the grey morality scale and part of Spurrier's character arc for her was to push how far she’d be willing to go to get what she wanted, but in one moment he overshot and very nearly made the character irredeemable in my eyes. The ''Remastered'' arc introduces the romantic pair of cyborg mercenaries, Tam Posla and Caysin Bog as part Aphra’s team, who plan on settling down together happily in the near future. In ''Doctor Aphra #18'', Aphra heartlessly uses Caysin as a decoy by activating a protocol in his programming and forces him to run straight into enemy fire, right in front of Tam. Not only did Spurrier toss aside an interesting character (not to mention killing off Tam Posla in the following arc, leading to an unfortunate case of BuryYourGays), but using said act to prop up his morality play regarding Aphra’s character felt incredibly gross and has soured my opinion of her character ever since. Aphra's ruthless behaviour is addressed in the following arcs of Spurrier's run, however even having the unrepentant serial killer droid Triple-Zero call her out was not enough for me.

''ComicBook/SpiderMan'', [[EarWorm Spider-Man]], does whatever a spider can... but he can't do anything about [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck these moments]].

* [=SAMAS=]: ''ComicBook/CaptainAmericaSteveRogers'' begins on a pretty bad note, with the revelation that Captain America, the BadassNormal BigGood of the Marvel Universe, the Sentinel of Liberty, the man whose very first appearance was him socking Adolf Hitler in the jaw, has been a DeepCoverAgent of Hydra all along. Yes, they turned one of the universe's most stalwart heroes into the very thing that he was literally created to fight against (in or out of universe). [[InternetBackdraft This did not go over well]]. While it will be schadenfreudingly fun to see how this inevitably gets rolled back (personally, I'm hoping this bullshit goes straight to CanonDiscontinuity), the idea that someone (hell, some people) in Marvel let this idea go all the way to print is sickening.

* Kodasboy: I'm honestly gobsmacked that not a single entry has discussed the ''ComicBook/Marville''. Now I must admit, most of it to me falls into SoBadItsGood, especially the fact that Creator/SpikeLee is the freakin' Kingpin, and how a time machine made out of UsefulNotes/Playstation consoles is part of the central plot line . Hell, the entire scene where a man stops a protest just to be a snob and gets beaned by a meteorite would've been gold. Sadly, in a world full of Narm and being based around a rather obvious AuthorTract, there's not that much to be really...proud of for [=Marvel Comics=]. Though the moment [[OutOfCharacterMoment Iron Man literally smashes two street thieves heads together, and murders another]] comes off as really odd. And after killing them, he almost outright says the [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement "N" Word]] in reference to all the people he forces into labor in Mexico, only to be corrected by ComicBook/BlackPanther. E-Excuse me? Sooo, [[DesignatedHero Tony Stark just went on a minor killing spree for a small crime]], [[UnfortunateImplications was about to go on to insult an entire race of people who've been both forced into slave labor and segregated from society when they got their freedom,]] and it was ALL [[PlayedForLaughs PLAYED FOR LAUGHS?!]] How did this even get past the editing process?! This would've shot the age rating up higher than it already was and it was...[[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids PG?!]] Not only is this CanonDefilement, but a straight up smack to my face. Iron Man is one of my favorite Marvel Superheroes of all time, and many people who I know and love are racial minorities. This isn't even funny anymore. How did this even get off the shelves? Hell, how did it even GET ON THE SHELVES.

* Kodasboy: I'm honestly gobsmacked that not a single entry has discussed the ''ComicBook/Marville''. Now I must admit, most of it to me falls into SoBadItsGood, especially the fact that Creator/SpikeLee is the freakin' Kingpin, and how a time machine made out of UsefulNotes/Playstation consoles is part of the central plot line . Hell, the entire scene where a man stops a protest just to be a snob and gets beaned by a meteorite would've been gold. Sadly, in a world full of Narm and being based around a rather obvious AuthorTract, there's not that much to be really...proud of for [=Marvel Comics=]. Though the moment [[OutOfCharacterMoment Iron Man literally smashes two street thieves heads together, and murders another]] comes off as really odd. And after killing them, he almost outright says the [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement "N" Word]] in reference to all the people he forces into labor in Mexico, only to be corrected by ComicBook/BlackPanther. E-Excuse me? Sooo, [[DesignatedHero Tony Stark just went on a minor killing spree for a small crime]], [[UnfortunateImplications was about to go on to insult an entire race of people who've been both forced into slave labor and segregated from society when they got their freedom,]] and it was ALL [[PlayedForLaughs PLAYED FOR LAUGHS?!]] How did this even get past the editing process?! This would've shot the age rating up higher than it already was and it was...[[WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids PG?!]] Not only is this CanonDefilement, but a straight up smack to my face. Iron Man is one of my favorite Marvel Superheroes of all time, and many people who I know and love are racial minorities. This isn't even funny anymore. How did this even get off the shelves? Hell, how did it even GET ON THE SHELVES.

** [=DaltimusPrime=]: Not to mention that the whole "Ethics in X" meme is a reference to a certain internet movement/debate [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement that is probably just left unnamed at this point.]] Not only do I, and many others, hate overt politics in my comics, but it also [[UnintentionalPeriodPiece dates the comic horribly]], like any meme. Even worse, with how volatile the whole situation is, it almost seems that the writers were simply begging for controversy by including the line. Ditto for the more recent "[unsolicited opinons about Israel?]" fiasco from the same comic.

* Tropers/KnightMysterio: Let's talk crossovers, shall we? They seem to be Marvel's new obsession, and good lord all of them from Avengers Disassembled onward have been bad. We'll start with my personal [[SarcasmMode 'favorite']], the Civil War. Now, I like a superhero brawl as much as the next guy, but this was handled badly from the word go. The entire storyline focused on a political issue, which is a pain to deal with in comics to begin with. In this case, the Superhuman Registration Act. Which is basically what the X-Men have been dealing with for years, only now going after everybody. And what kicked it off was B-List villain Nitro suddenly becoming powerful enough to blow up an entire town, killing off all of the current roster of New Warriors save for Speedball. Speedball would later develop an emo streak and become the self-mutilating (and thankfully now gone) [[DarkerAndEdgier Penance.]] The Pro-Registration side came off looking like the Masters of Evil (it didn't help when they actually had supervillains go after the heroes), and the Anti-Registration side came off as terrorists. It turned Sally Floyd, who had been mildly interesting up to that point, into a pathetic strawman, and had Iron Man acting jerkish throughout the whole crossover. This also introduced the clone of Thor, Ragnarok (Thor's response to Ragnarok's creation once he came back from the dead was... [[CurbStompBattle appropriate]]). And the writers were supposedly 'trying to portray both sides as potentially in the right.' Suuuuure....

* immortalfrieza: The ENTIRE Superior Spider-Man story arc, all of it. I'm someone who knows how to deal with the occasional stupid comic storyline, I stuck around after OMD, OMIT, Civil War for Odin's sake, but this crosses so many lines and none of them make it loop back around to being good or funny. Taking Spider-Man and having his mind be overwritten by one of his greatest foes and easily one of the most evil people in Marvel comics could have actually been an interesting storyline and led to some major character development for Doctor Octopus, but the writers decided to throw acid in the face of the fans instead. First by making the whole event require major dumbassery on the part of everybody involved including Peter's closest friends and loved ones just to keep them from figuring it out and undoing things 5 minutes into the plot, then by having Spider-Ock act as blatantly NOT like Spider-Man as possible without even trying to fake it while nobody STILL doesn't figure it out.
** (Un)Fortunately we have Ghost Peter around... who is around mostly to make dumb comments to nobody and eventually risk the life of a little girl just to keep Ock from finding out he's there, something that even at his lowest Peter would never even have considered. Then Peter ends up being completely erased (yeah right) by Ock after a BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind that Peter only loses due to the aforementioned incident, which while bad doesn't even come close to the things Doc Ock has done and tried to do. Peter doesn't even call Ock out on this and lose anyway, he loses and gets erased SPECIFICALLY because the story wants us to think Ock is somehow still on the moral high ground. All the while during this whole storyline both the comics themselves and Dan Slott out of universe try to hammer it into the fans that this story was a good idea and that the fans complaining about it was just whining even though in both cases it's not. Eventually Peter comes back and gets his body back and everything, like we all knew already he was going to and Ock ends up erased, making the whole storyline pointless and accomplishing nothing but pissing on the fans as much as possible.
** After this kind of storyline the incredibly obvious blatant and very badly done publicity stunts Marvel has been pulling since like making Captain America black, making him a secret HYDRA agent, making Thor into a woman, etc. are expected by this point. "Superior" Spider-Man showed just how few good ideas the Marvel writing staff really have left anymore and that they've sunken so far they've come out in China and hit the borders of the universe... then kept going. The fact that the Superior Spider-Man comics themselves kept topping Marvel's sales charts showed that it worked too, making similar efforts a foregone conclusion.