Dethroning Moment: Marvel Comics
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- Lord TNK: Spider-Man's moment used to be The Clone Saga, but then came One More Day, basically because it's one man forcing his Fan Fiction on readers as something official. Executive Meddling and Running the Asylum cover more specifically why it's crap.
- LLSmoothJ: Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse! Enter "One Moment In Time," in which the reason why Spider-Man missed his wedding was revealed. A fat thug fell on him. Seriously, Quesada? You couldn't think of a better reason why? Talk about anti-climatic!
- A Black Raptor: While that does suck, my DMOS for OMIT comes from what happens with Eddie the fat thug so Quesada can make MJ break up with Peter: He beats the shit out of her. Ok, to a lot of people, that's not that bad and it would excuse someone to break up, but its the fact that it happened to Mary Jane. MJ is probably my favorite character in Spider-Man besides Peter himself, and one of the things I love about her is that she doesn't just sit around or run away, she's a fighter. So much so, it's canon that she owns, and knows how to use, a gun, that she has been able to fight off thugs much tougher than this 'Eddie' (she beat the shit out of Chameleon for god's sake, and he's a much more competent villain than the villainous Fixer Sue Quesada made), and that she has received combat training from Captain America himself. MJ is, for all intents and purposes, a Badass Normal, Eddie is, for all intents and purposes, a fat guy. MJ not only got beat up by him, but was so traumatized by it she blamed Peter. While OMIT is a character assassination for MJ as a whole, this is for me the moment the bullet hit.
- Kira Blaize: Another one for Spider-Man came around 1999. Venom had been suffering from Villain Decay for a while now, but the absolutely lowest moment came when Spider-Man fought him off with a cigarette lighter. Peter flicked the lighter in his face and the symbiote was so desperate to get away that it was leaving Brock behind.
- A Black Raptor: While Spider-Island is otherwise an awesome book, one aspect still stings: Carlie Cooper's still ever present Sueness. But, it doesn't get to a suckish level until she breaks up with Peter because he didn't tell her he was Spider-Man. I've said this elsewhere, I've mentioned it on other pages, but Carlie Cooper gets angry at Peter because she was left out of his secret. I'm actually happy they broke up, but its her reasoning that makes the moment suck. Apparently, she (and as the narrative shows, the writer also) thinks that she had a right to know. Why? They've only known each other for barely a year if that In-Universe (and only a handful of years out of universe), only been dating for a month at most in Universe (again, only a handful out of universe), not only has he had no chance to tell her, he's had no reason to do so. She hasn't been kidnapped or put in danger by the secret, she hasn't suffered at all because of him being Spider-Man, he had no obligation to tell her. Did she expect him to explain he's Spider-Man the first time they met, or on a date? If she reacted like this after finding out by herself, she'd probably react the same way if he told her after they started dating. She goes on to make a deal about [spoiler:him covering up his secret identity, and accuse him of using his identity as Peter as nothing more than a mask,]] but in the end the fact that she seems to have expected such knowledge since day 1 makes her look like an self-entitled bitch. I didn't like her before, in fact I quite despised her, but this is the moment that made me consider her the worst character ever written into the books.
- RAZ: For some, it's Superior Spider-Man. For others, it's One More Day. And I do agree, those stories are terrible. But if any single story from the last 10 years proved to me how much Marvel disrespects for Spider-Man, it has to be The Gauntlet and the Grim Hunt which I equate to Marvel's equivalent of DC's infamous Justice League: Cry for Justice. Similar to that story it runs on pure shock value, needlessly killing off supporting characters and making things dark simply for the sake of dark. In particular, the one part that came off as nothing but offensively heartless was in the "Shed" subarc where The Lizard gruesomely eats Billy Connors alive. This was the moment where I realized that the Spider-Man stories I used to read that were actually fun were a thing of the past. This was nothing but a blatant stunt relying on gore to try and entice some sales in, I guess because whoever was writing this trash was apparently under the illusion that cheap tactics like this make things edgy and mature.
- Tropers/Falconwing: Eddie Brock recently murdering Hybrid and later taking the Toxin Symbiote for his own use. Why did he kill Hybrid? Because he was a Symbiote, even as Hybrid tells him he didn't do anything wrong. The fact that both Hybrid, and the Original Toxin were far, far more likeable and noble characters than Eddie ever was only leaves a worse taste in my mouth. Congratulations Marvel. You have made me never want to see Eddie Brock as Venom again.
- Tropers/Darthness: The most unbelievable treatment to one of the biggest comic book superheros of all time is the creation of Superior Spider-Man. To shock people and sell comics, most would settle for simply killing the protagonist and having someone else take up the mantle. Instead they take it up to eleven by having Peter die after having his body taken by Doc Ock. Then they have this abomination actually take over the comic just to twist the knife further and take a massive dump on his legacy. What a disgrace.
- Main Man J: The premise is tasteless enough, but the execution is atrocious. Not only is it the biggest idiot plot in the history of fiction (seriously, Team Rocket from Pokemon are legitimately better at maintaining a disguise), the character's actions as Spider-Man are a black mark on the character forever. He murders, blackmails, and extorts in Spidey's name, gets away with it largely scott-free and we're later told by the recap pages and Spidey himself that he was a "hero" and we should honor him as such. Hey, Spidey, howsabout you feel bad about the people he murdered and put in traction for no good goldarn reason?
- Crazyrabbits: Ultimate Requiem: X-Men: After the events of the Ultimatum series, the surviving X-Men bury their fallen comrades and destroy the X-Mansion using Iceman's power. So... how do you think Marvel memorialized the deaths of half the X-Men? Did they do it respectfully? Did they have the mutants' families show up to grieve with them? Did they openly cry and console each other after the weight of what happened finally hit them? (If you thought so, you're not Jeph Loeb.) Simple: have Sabretooth, Mystique and a minor mutant named Assemble show up, claiming to pay their respects, then have Jean Grey go crazy and start a fight right next to the corpses, then have Captain America show up and decapitate Assemble while explaining that he also came to pay his respects - all on the very next page. That's how Ultimate X-Men ends: not with a bang (or anything resembling closure), but with a whimper. It doesn't even read like a finale, but as another issue of the series.
- ABlackRaptor: I'll never understand the praise Jason Aaron gets or why his Wolverine and the X-Men book is on so many recommendations lists, but the moment that sold me that this is simply the worst title being published is one of the earlier stories, about Kitty being impregnated. At the time, I assumed it was going to be some angsty story about her being pregnant with Colossus' kid now that the two were broken up, and expected to have a miscarriage for angst, but when I later actually got around to reading it, it was far, far worse than I imagined. Instead, Kitty has been impregnated against her will by the Brood, who planted eggs in her uterus so they can hatch and kill her. OK, the brood are usually really squicky villains, but for fuck sake, this was beyond revolting. As well as being beyond disgusting, the idea they seem to miss is that intentionally impregnating a woman against her will is essentially rape, and this is the "fun" book that gets all the praise for how light-hearted it is! Now, I usually hate the phrase "raped my childhood", but given how Kitty was one of my all-time favorite X-Men from when I first began following the franchise years ago, this time the phrase actually has some credence, because he literally had a childhood favorite character raped. The rest of the run is very questionable with how it handles the female characters, but this was the first moment that made me realize that Jason Aaron really should not ever write any female characters, or anything for that matter.
- Knight Mysterio: Let's talk crossovers, shall we? They seem to be Marvel's new obsession, and good lord all of them from Avengers Disassembled onward have been bad. We'll start with my personal 'favorite', the Civil War. Now, I like a superhero brawl as much as the next guy, but this was handled badly from the word go. The entire storyline focused on a political issue, which is a pain to deal with in comics to begin with. In this case, the Superhuman Registration Act. Which is basically what the X-Men have been dealing with for years, only now going after everybody. And what kicked it off was B-List villain Nitro suddenly becoming powerful enough to blow up an entire town, killing off all of the current roster of New Warriors save for Speedball. Speedball would later develop an emo streak and become the self-mutilating (and thankfully now gone) Penance. The Pro-Registration side came off looking like the Masters of Evil (it didn't help when they actually had supervillains go after the heroes), and the Anti-Registration side came off as terrorists. It turned Sally Floyd, who had been mildly interesting up to that point, into a pathetic strawman, and had Iron Man acting jerkish throughout the whole crossover. This also introduced the clone of Thor, Ragnarok (Thor's response to Ragnarok's creation once he came back from the dead was... appropriate). And the writers were supposedly 'trying to portray both sides as potentially in the right.' Suuuuure....
- SteleResolve: I really love Garth Ennis' Punisher comics, particularly the MAX ones. But in the MAX volume Barracuda, Ennis crossed the uncrossable line. The Punisher knowingly, willingly and indisputably killed innocent people who were in the way. The gist of the comic was that a group of CEOs were going to stage a massive power outage across an entire state and somehow use it to make a hell of a lot of money (I don't recall the exact explanation). The Punisher heard about it and decided to get involved—as he said, white collar crime wasn't really his thing, but if it went down people would die, so he was going to put a stop to it. It was a pretty good story until the very end. After a vicious beating from a massive brute of a contract killer, being left in shark infested water and swallowing a hefty amount of seawater while clinging to the boat, Castle was in no position to storm the executives' boat and take them down the hard way. So he blows it up, in shark filled waters, killing everyone: the executives, their friends, girlfriends and wives, investors, even the boats' crew. There is no way that the entire boat crew were part of the plan! It's not much different from gunning down hostages because the criminals are standing behind them, and it was a terrible moment for The Punisher.
- Zeloran: The Transformers comic published by Marvel was not particularly good, but for me the lowest and most stupid moment of the whole run was this: The Decepticons (Megatron and the Combaticons) and the Autobots (Optimus Prime and the Protectobots) engaged in a battle inside a videogame for the possession of some sort of "super fuel". The catch is that if Prime or Megatron were destroyed in the game, they would be also destroyed in real life. The Protectobots managed to beat the Combaticons and in the end also Megatron. But Megatron, by using a cheat code, managed to resurrect inside the game, shot Prime from behind, was about to finish him, only for Prime to react and send Megatron to his virtual death again. However, Prime declared himself to be the loser of the game. Why? Because in beating Megatron he unwillingly let some of the residents of the virtual game world die. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Prime committed suicide, leaving the Autobots without a leader and allowing the Decepticons to get their hands on a very rare and powerful fuel source thus endangering the Autobots and humanity as well, basically because he killed some video game characters.
- Salkafar: I wasn't exactly a cheering fan of Matt Fraction's run on Iron Man, but only when I read #503, I called my dealer and cancelled my subscription (A big deal for me, a dyed-in-the-wool Iron Fan). The story involved Tony Stark - Iron Man - who, a few issues before, had been 'rebooted' and equipped with a 'repulsor generator' embedded in his chest; the generator provided his - especially engineered - neurobiology with far more power than before, which meant his brainpower received a significant boost - being held to ransom by Doctor Octopus. Octavius had an old grudge against Tony Stark - ever since a flashback two issues before - and now wanted to humiliate him by making him admit he could not fix his, Octopus', failing biology. Octavius used a nuclear bomb as a threat. Now... considering everything - Octavius' diminished state and Tony's improved mental status, as well as an armor which is now a part of him and emerges upon mental command - almost any outcome was feasible rather than the one that occurred: Tony admitting he was a failure and begging Octopus not to detonate the bomb. But even that was not the nadir. That consisted of... Tony Stark... kneeling and kissing doctor Octopus' tentacle and calling him 'master'... After that, I grabbed the phone and cut my losses.