Created By: erforce on July 6, 2012 Last Edited By: erforce on November 21, 2012

Quote, Counter Quote

Character's quotation is rebutted with an another quote.

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Character A shows his conviction on a matter by quoting something. Character B then counters it with another quote, provoking a response (realization, anger, etc.) from Character A and depending on the response, shows which one of them is on the right.

Examples:

Film
  • The Toxic Avenger Part II:
    Apocalypse Inc. Chairman: "Neither a borrower, nor a lender be"... Shakespeare.
    Homeless Woman: "Fuck You"... David Mamet.
  • The Rock.
    Gen. Hummel: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
    John Mason: "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious," according to Oscar Wilde. *Hummel pistol-whips him* Thank you for proving my point.
  • Hannibal brings B.A. Baracus back to action in The A-Team with this.
    B.A.: Gandhi said, "Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary."
    Hannibal: "It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence."
    B.A.: Who said that?
    Hannibal: Same guy.
  • In Porkys II The Next Day the school Shakespeare production is being shut down by a group of hyperconservative religous nuts who think Shakespeare is immoral. They quote out of context dirty Shakespaere passages (of which there are many) to support their cause. But the school principal, who supports the show, goes quote-for-quote against them using The Bible as his source of smutty sayings.

Live-Action Television
  • There is a scene in The West Wing episode "The Midterms", where a Christian fundamentalist quotes The Bible (Leviticus, in particular) to support her stance against homosexuality. President Bartlett then produces even more quotes from Leviticus, demonstrating how outdated and inapplicable those particular commandments are in the modern society.

Radio
  • The Frantics' "Tae Quan Leep"
    Teacher: The only use of Tae Kwan Leep is self-defense. Do you know who said that? Ki Lo Ni, the great teacher.
    Ed Gruberman: Yeah? Well the best defense is a good offense, you know who said that? Mel, the cook on Alice.

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Western Animation
  • Parodied on The Simpsons episode "Homer The Heretic", with this exchange between Reverend Lovejoy and Homer:
    Reverend Lovejoy: Homer, I'd like you to remember Matthew 7:26. "The foolish man who built his house upon the sand."
    Homer: And you remember...Matthew...21:17.
    Lovejoy: "And he left them and went out of the city, into Bethany, and he lodged there"?
    Homer: ...Yeah. Think about it.
    • In "Like Father Like Clown", Bart and Lisa exchange verses from the Torah with Rabbi Krustofski when trying to convince him to reconcile with his son, Krusty the Clown, but for every verse they produce the Rabbi has one to back up his own viewpoint. Bart wins by producing a quote which touches the Rabbi at how well it summed up Jewish history. Bart the reveals that it was said by Sammy Davis Jr., which makes Rabbi Krustofski realize that Krusty's choice of the career wasn't anything to be ashamed of.
  • The King of the Hill episode "Hilloween" parodies this when this conversation happens between Hank and an overzealous priest:
    Judy Harper: "The complacency of fools will destroy them." Proverbs.
    Hank: "Get out of my house!" Exodus.


Community Feedback Replies: 18
  • July 6, 2012
    Bisected8
  • July 6, 2012
    Shnakepup
    • Parodied on The Simpsons episode "Homer The Heretic", with this exchange between Reverend Lovejoy and Homer:
      Reverend Lovejoy: Homer, I'd like you to remember Matthew 7:26. "The foolish man who built his house upon the sand."
      Homer: And you remember...Matthew...21:17.
      Lovejoy: "And he left them and went out of the city, into Bethany, and he lodged there"?
      Homer: ...Yeah. Think about it.
  • July 6, 2012
    ThePuppyTurtle
    People Sit on Chairs.
  • July 6, 2012
    randomsurfer
    • The Frantics' "Tae Quan Leep"
      Teacher: The only use of Tae Kwan Leep is self-defense. Do you know who said that? Ki Lo Ni, the great teacher.
      Ed Gruberman: Yeah? Well the best defense is a good offense, you know who said that? Mel, the cook on Alice.
    • In Porkys II: The Next Day the school Shakespeare production is being shut down by a group of hyperconservative religous nuts who think Shakespeare is immoral. They quote out of context dirty Shakespaere passages (of which there are many) to support their cause. But the school principal, who supports the show, goes quote-for-quote against them using The Bible as his source of smutty sayings.

  • July 6, 2012
    Stratadrake
    ^^ Not chairs.

    And it definitely happened in The Bible, with the devil's third great temptation of Jesus.
  • July 7, 2012
    Arivne
    This is definitely a trope.

    Dueling Quotes?

    @The Puppy Turtle: Please go to People Sit On Chairs and Read That Again. That page used to be about common Real Life situations and actions not being tropes, but it has changed. It's now about how tropes are storytelling conventions that convey some meaning to the audience.

    In this case, the information being conveyed is that Bob tried to prove his point with a quote and was defeated by Alice using a contradictory quote, showing that:
    • (a) You can't win an argument just by using quotes, because just about every quote has a counter-quote, often from the same source.
    • (b) Bob has been hoist by his own petard (thwarted by his own technique).
    • (c) Alice is at least as smart and knowledgeable as Bob.

    I've Seen It A Million Times, but can't remember any media examples at the moment. Instead I will give a link to a list of contradictory proverbs I found.
  • July 7, 2012
    Astaroth
    Another example from The Simpsons: In 'Like Father Like Clown', Bart and Lisa exchange verses from the Torah with Rabbi Krustofski when trying to convince him to reconcile with his son, Krusty the Clown, but for every verse they produce the Rabbi has one to back up his own viewpoint. Bart wins by producing a Sammy Davis Jr. quote which the Rabbi concedes he has no counter-argument for.

  • July 7, 2012
    Koveras
    • There is a scene in West Wing, where a Christian fundamentalist quotes The Bible (Leviticus, in particular) to support her stance against homosexuality. President Bartlett then produces even more quotes from Leviticus, demonstrating how outdated and inapplicable those particular commandments are in the modern society.
  • July 7, 2012
    Bisected8
    @Astaroth: Technically he didn't not have a counterargument for it; he was touched at how well it summed up Jewish history and when Bart revealed it was said by an entertainer, he realised that Krusty's choice of the career wasn't anything to be ashamed of.
  • July 7, 2012
    randomsurfer
    ^^That scene was taken from a Chain Letter memetic email about Dr. Laura Schlessneger. (Despite the fact that the snopes page says it's unknown who originally wrote it, I'm sure I read something somewhere sometime someone saying that s/he had originated it and was upset that West Wing used it without attribution.)
  • July 7, 2012
    NimmerStill
    Second for "Dueling Quotes".
  • July 7, 2012
    Damr1990
  • July 7, 2012
    Bisected8
    I'm going to vote for Dueling Quotes.
  • July 7, 2012
    Koveras
    ^^^ Thanks to you, I found the title of the episode now. It's "The Midterms".
  • July 7, 2012
    TwentyTwoSevenths
    I'm also voting for Dueling Quotes. Also,
    • The King Of The Hill episode "Hilloween" parodies this when this conversation happens between Hank and an overzealous priest:
      Judy Harper: "The complacency of fools will destroy them." Proverbs.
      Hank: "Get out of my house!" Exodus.
  • July 7, 2012
    billybobfred
    Quote Kombat? *shot*
  • July 7, 2012
    Antigone3
    Either Dueling Quotes or Quote To Quote Combat would be good; and this one definitely needs an Older Than Feudalism note in the description.
  • November 21, 2012
    StarSword
    Merging with a current YKTTW Quote-to-Quote Combat.
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