Created By: Voyd211 on May 23, 2013 Last Edited By: Halen on June 30, 2013
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Satanic Archetype

No, he's not Satan. He's this universe's best comparison.

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So we all know how the Messianic Archetype is an in-universe character who can readily be compared to Jesus, although they clearly aren't the man himself.

Now, let's take that trope to the Dark Side. A truly evil character who seems to be a satanic figure for the setting, although they clearly aren't the Devil himself.

A Satanic Archetype character can be any combination of the following:

Chances are, if a work is using Everybody Hates Hades, then Hades as well as another being or creature associated with death will be depiced as an Satanic Archetype.

Compare The Anti-God. Will frequently overlap with the Louis Cypher.


Examples of this trope in all media:

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  • Father, the Big Bad of Fullmetal Alchemist is a creature who seeks to usurp The Truth, which identifies itself as God, and temps humans to evil to achieve his ends. Father is assisted by his "children", who are named after the Seven Deadly Sins. Interestingly, Father is introduced looking like a Grandpa God, bathed in light, although his true form is some variety of Humanoid Abomination made of shadow.
  • The five members of the Godhand from Berserk are very much satanic archetypes. Not only do they rule over all demonkind, but they also make deals with mortals to become demons themselves by sacrificing those closest to them. Void, the de facto leader of the Godhand who marks people for sacrifice; and Femto, the newest member who has committed some of the nastiest evil acts of any of the five so far and is even blood-red in the first anime, particularly stand out.

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  • In the Marvel Comics, the Hell Lords is a group of demons composed of Asmodeus, Hela, Mephisto, Pluto, Satannish The Supreme, and Satana. Former members of the group included Beelzeboul, Dormammu, Hellstrom, Lucifer/Satan, Marduk Kurios, Olivier, Thog the Nether-Spawn, and Umar the Unrelenting. Yes. Satan himself used to be a member of a group of demons who represent all the aspects of Satan. Somehow.

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  • If Melkor/Morgoth was any more obviously the devil of Middle-Earth, he'd have an elven Louis Cypher name.
  • The Dark One in the Wheel of Time series is presented similarly to Satan. The usual comforting mantra is that he was imprisoned by the Creator at the beginning of time. Where he came from isn't clear, but he remained safely sealed in his Can until the Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends accidentally (?) cracked his prison. He offered them a Power that both men and women could use together (unlike their own magic), and several made deals with him. Too bad he wants to destroy the universe and end time. Oh, and he's indestructible. From inside his Can, he tries to destroy humanity using hoards of subhuman monsters, not to mention said quisling Aes Sedai. (What they think they'll ultimately get out of universal destruction is anyone's guess.)
  • In the Chalion series, the Bastard is sort of the Satan equivalent, being the offspring of the Mother and a powerful demon lord that did a Heel–Face Turn. He's the ruler of demons and god of the unexpected, including disasters; but his job is to rein in demons so they don't harm humans and he's also the god of unexpected blessings. He has a very vulgar sense of humor and is a Trickster Mentor to his followers but is basically benevolent; although he's also the one that meets out vengeance upon Complete Monsters and Karma Houdinis.
  • In the Narnia series, both the White Witch at the beginning of the series and the Calormene deity Tash are represented as evil opposites of Aslan, who is basically Lion!Jesus. Tash is also sort of a Crystal Dragon Allah... combined with Satan.

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[[folder:Video Games]]

  • In Ashan, the setting for some of the Heroes of Might and Magic games, Urgash the Dragon God of Chaos meets the 'God of Evil' and 'rebelled against god' criteria; he warred against Asha, the Goddess of Order, during the Mythic Age when the world was relatively young, and was imprisoned in Sheogh, the setting's equivalent of Hell, after his defeat. Kha-Beleth the Demon Sovereign, Supreme Ruler of Sheogh and leader of the demons that Urgash created to serve as his minions, meets the 'ruler of demons' and 'prominent antagonist' criteria.
  • Ninja Gaiden:
    • Vigoor is the ruling devil and absolute authority of a "holy" empire of evli deities. Then it turns out via the second game that he's not the only "Supreme Archfiend".
    • Though the only other Supreme Archfiend is actually just the son of Vigoor. Or rather, the remains of his body after being defeated. So it's sorta the same being, but weaker.
  • Mundus from Devil May Cry, who was originally intended to be named Satan. He comes in white and looks somewhat like an angel (that is, until Dante messes him up but good, revealing the Eldritch Abomination within). He's not quite omnipotent, though, but it does seem thus far that he cannot be permanently killed, even with the power of Sparda, so Dante eventually has to seal him away like his father did long ago.
  • In God of War, Hades definitely has a certain, er, hell-ish thing going on. The god and the location.
  • Death Smiles:
    • The writers decided that plain old Satan was too boring, so the final boss and head of the demonic invasion triggered by Jitterbug is Demonic Imperator Tyrannosatan.
    • And the sequel has as its final boss a bizarre mash-up of demon and Santa Claus called... "Satan Claws".
  • Tekken has the Devil Gene, which allows most of the Mishima family (Besides Heihachi) to turn into a Devil, and the Devil Forms of Kazuya, Jin, and Jinpachi are usually considered the strongest combatants in the game as far as story goes.[[note]]This was passed over to them through at least one (Kazuya) Faustian deal with an evil winged Manipulative Bastard called…Devil.[[/note]]
  • Mortal Kombat has the Elder God Shinnok, who attempted to overthrow the other Elder Gods but was defeated and banished to the Netherrealm(which happens to be a fiery wasteland where evil beings hang around, blatantly Hell). At some point he overthrew the Netherrealm's ruler Lucifer with the aid of Quan-Chi, placing himself as the Netherrealm's ruler.
  • Mephiles the Dark from Sonic the Hedgehog is essentially the Devil, especially when he fuses with Iblis and becomes Solaris. In fact, both Mephiles (whose name is a play on Mephistopheles) and Iblis (Name's the Same as the Muslim devil) represent two sides of the devil: the supreme manipulator and the destroyer.

    When they first fuse back into Solaris, the initial result is a creature form with 6 stones on his back, 6 claws, and 6 horn segments on his head.
  • Pokémon
    • While Arceus is the equivalent of God, Primal Dialga , the (fake) Big Bad of the second Pokemon Mystery Dungeon game (who looks like an evil Dialga with a black body and red stripes instead of a blue body and green stripes) may actually be the series' equivalent of the Devil. Giratina and Darkrai are popular candidates for the title as well, though they are both not outright evil. Occasionally played straight with the latter however.
    • Giratina definitely fits the role of Satan on a cosmic level: it's a literal god/Eldritch Abomination that was banished for its aggressive tendencies(in particular, its obsession with balance) by what is implied to be the aformentioned Arceus. While not evil(it prevents Cyrus from achieving An Arceus Am I), it's a fearesome opponent that has the potential of threatning the world.
  • Bayonetta:
    • Queen Sheba is the ruler of Inferno, the realm of demons that Bayonetta often taps into for her most stylish finishers. In fact, Bayonetta summons Sheba herself in order to finish off the Creator God Jubileus by punching her all the way throught the solar system and into the sun.
    • Rodin himself also counts all of the character art for Rodin in the unlockable extras never uses that name, giving his name as "Mephisto", the name of a German folklore demon most prominently mentioned in the Faust legend and occasionally has been used as another name for the Devil himself. Appropriately, Rodin's role is broadly similar to the traditional devil: a fallen angel who is thwarted and punished from trying to conquer Heaven (and is feared by it) who rules his own "sub-basement" location after his punishment, and jokes about the "deals" he provides Bayonetta.
  • In Graffiti Kingdom, the devil is a horned, purple guy-looking-thing named Medium. When freed from his imprisonment, he takes over Canvas Kingdom and plans to rule the world. His son Tablet overthrows him and becomes the new devil, so "devil" is probably just a title for "ruler of demons" rather than an actual entity.
  • Hazama/Terumi Yuuki from BlazBlue may also count as a Satan Expy. One of the revered Six Heroes, he betrayed his team and after being sealed, resurfaced once more to topple Heaven and God and shape the world as he sees fit: Make what he believed to be truth, which is DESPAIR, as the only truth in the world, and the lies of the world (which is everything) to be cut down. And he... succeeded in toppling 'God' (Takamagahara) by Continuum Shift, though only time will tell if the upcoming sequel will have him fall spectacularly. And not only he's Obviously Evil, he walks around with Eyes Always Shut, speak like a gentleman in order to lull his unaware 'allies' to move like he wills it, and if his acts with Litchi was to be believed, one of his modus operandi is driving people to sign on a Deal with the Devil…the devil in question is HIMSELF. And although his true name 'Terumi' is safe, the nickname 'Hazama' gives the meaning of 'otherworldly'... and all in all, very similar with how Lucifer meant 'Lightbringer' before he went on to be known as Satan or all those nasty other names.
  • Molag Bal, the Daedric Prince of Corruption in The Elder Scrolls series. While most of the Daedric Princes are Jerkass Gods but with some redeeming features, Molag has never portrayed as anything other than evil, and seems to exist for no other purpose than to tempt mortals into wickedness so he can claim their souls... or sometimes, purely for his own amusement.
  • Warcraft series:
    • Sargeras was once a divine Titan tasked with battling the demon hordes and protecting the universe while the rest of the Titan pantheon created more planets. Exposure to the demons and their home dimension eventually drove Sargeras batshit insane, so he joined the demon hordes as their evil overlord. He led the Burning Crusade to invade many worlds and enslave/assimilate/demonize many species, before he was finally blown up on Azeroth. His blood and other leftover bits can give mortals great power, at the cost of sanity (and potentially turning into a demon).
    • The Eredar Kil'Jaeden also acts as a Satan analogue, being a Big Red Devil who introduced warlock magic to the orcs and aiding Gul'dan, as well as having Illidan attempt to dispose of the Lich King. He's even called the The Deceiver.
    • Deathwing the Destroyer is in some ways Crystal Dragon Satan. He was one of the five godlike Dragon Aspects made by the Titans to watch over the planet (or the son of an Aspect, Depending on the Writer). The Old Gods drove him insane, so he started attacking other dragons and ordinary mortals. He became a sort of evil overlord for an entire race of evil dragons and their minions.

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  • Chernabog in Fantasia is portrayed as a giant black demon with horns and bat wings. Walt Disney even described him as being Satan himself. The god was based on a lesser-known Slavic god, which may be an example of Everybody Hates Hades.
  • Hunson Abadeer, ruler of the Nightosphere from Adventure Time.
  • Futurama has an in-universe example in the form of the Robot Devil. There's also Robot Santa who terrorises humanity every Christmas and is, to quote one frightened bystander, "The father of all lies and the uncle of all tricks!".

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Community Feedback Replies: 45
  • May 23, 2013
    randomsurfer
    Marvel Comics has a few: Mephisto (the one who stole Peter Parker's marriage), Satanish, and others who escape me ATM.
  • May 23, 2013
    Hodor
    Could you clarify about the Dark One or Melkor explicitly being the Devil?

  • May 24, 2013
    Prfnoff
    This desperately needs a fuller description, one that says more about what this archetype is than what it isn't.
  • May 24, 2013
    StarSword
    Compare God Of Evil.
  • May 24, 2013
    WaxingName
    Nice one. There are a lot of examples on the Satan page that would fit better on this.
  • May 27, 2013
    azul120
  • May 27, 2013
    Astaroth
    • Molag Bal, the Daedric Prince of Corruption in The Elder Scrolls series. While most of the Daedric Princes are Jerkass Gods but with some redeeming features, Molag has never portrayed as anything other than evil, and seems to exist for no other purpose than to tempt mortals into wickedness so he can claim their souls... or sometimes, purely for his own amusement.
  • May 27, 2013
    batgirl1
    Hodor, I don't think Tash should get an Unfortunate Implications pothole, as I think the implications were deliberate. A lot of Christians distrust Islam and reject the idea that Allah is the same God as Jehova; C.S. Lewis was most likely one of these.
  • May 27, 2013
    Bisected8
    • Futurama has an in-universe example in the form of the Robot Devil. There's also Robot Santa who terrorises humanity every Christmas and is, to quote one frightened bystander, "The father of all lies and the uncle of all tricks!".
  • May 27, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Like Hodor above, I would also like to hear on which grounds Melkor and the Dark One "explicitly are the devil". Also, I think you can still list them as aversions of the trope the same way Aslan is listed as an aversion of Crystal Dragon Jesus.
  • May 27, 2013
    ChrisX
  • June 7, 2013
    snecko
    Keyser Soze from The Usual Suspects is considered this In Universe and out.
  • June 7, 2013
    Hodor
    I wondered if any of these might count:

    Several Disney movies have a character who is an evil tempter who likes to make deals- Hades in Western Animation/Hercules, Urusla in The Little Mermaid, and Dr. Facilier in The Princess And The Frog.

    Of these, I think the first two would qualify, with Hades being the best example (and a good illustration of Everyone Hates Hades). Not as sure about Facilier since he is working for his "Friends on the Other Side", so he's not the big guy (i.e. Satan); he's middle management.
  • June 7, 2013
    Prfnoff
    It's hard for me to tell if examples count or not, because of the weak description. Some questions I have about it:
    • What is "truly evil" supposed to imply?
    • What is the definition of "satanic figure"? (Just linking to Satan doesn't make this look like a distinct trope.)
    • How clearly does this type have to not be "the devil himself"?
  • June 7, 2013
    jatay3
    Melkor can't be the devil as he is not to be released until the end of the universe and so cannot be tempting people(maybe Sauron's spectre is the one tempting people). Otherwise he fits in being a rebellious angel that persecutes God's creation out of spite. In any case Tolkien was never explicitly anything so Melkor can't explicitly be the devil. He is just close to it.
  • June 7, 2013
    Voyd211
    I walk away for a while, and what do ya know, discussion happened! I removed the line about Melkor and the Dark One.

    Anyway, what fits the bill is any combination of the following:

    Also, some examples that I feel qualify, but should be elaborated: the Incubators (Puella Magi Madoka Magica), Asmodeus (Pathfinder), Unicron (Transformers), and Doc Scratch (Homestuck).
  • June 7, 2013
    surgoshan
    Will frequently overlap with the Louis Cypher.
  • June 8, 2013
    Voyd211
    Does anyone have any elaboration on the examples that I mentioned?
  • June 8, 2013
    Voyd211
    I expanded the definition a bit, and added a few of the suggested examples..

    • Edit: Added Melkor, the Dark One, and Asmodeus.
  • June 8, 2013
    DracMonster
    • In the Chalion series, the Bastard is sort of the Satan equivalent, being the offspring of the Mother and a powerful demon lord that did a Heel Face Turn. He's the ruler of demons and god of the unexpected, including disasters; but his job is to rein in demons so they don't harm humans and he's also the god of unexpected blessings. He has a very vulgar sense of humor and is a Trickster Mentor to his followers but is basically benevolent; although he's also the one that meets out vengeance upon Complete Monsters and Karma Houdinis.
  • June 8, 2013
    Astaroth
    I suggest putting a bluelink to Demon Lords And Arch Devils over the 'ruler of demons' bullet-point

    • In Ashan, the setting for some of the Heroes Of Might And Magic games, Urgash the Dragon God of Chaos meets the 'God Of Evil' and 'rebelled against god' criteria; he warred against Asha, the Goddess of Order, during the Mythic Age when the world was relatively young, and was imprisoned in Sheogh, the setting's equivalent of Hell, after his defeat. Kha-Beleth the Demon Sovereign, Supreme Ruler of Sheogh and leader of the demons that Urgash created to serve as his minions, meets the 'ruler of demons' and 'prominent antagonist' criteria.
  • June 8, 2013
    Prfnoff
    One more question: is it possible for a Satanic Archetype to exist in the same universe as Satan himself?
  • June 8, 2013
    Voyd211
    Well, that poses the question of whether a Messianic Archetype can exist in the same universe as Jesus. To which I say: Not likely.
  • June 10, 2013
    Voyd211
    Does anyone have anything to add to this? Does it deserve hats, or what?
  • June 12, 2013
    ArcadesSabboth
    Melkor-Morgoth is the actual Christian Satan in an overtly Christian setting, not merely a Satan look-alike. This is explicit in Word Of God (I could cite source if you really want) and strongly implied in the stories. He isn't this trope.

    I went and fixed the indentation, which was incorrect.

    elaboration for the Wheel of Time:

    • The Dark One in the Wheel Of Time series is presented similarly to Satan. The usual comforting mantra is that he was imprisoned by the Creator at the beginning of time. Where he came from isn't clear, but he remained safely sealed in his Can until the Aes Sedai in the Age of Legends accidentally (?) cracked his prison. He offered them a Power that both men and women could use together (unlike their own magic), and several made deals with him. Too bad he wants to destroy the universe and end time. Oh, and he's indestructible. From inside his Can, he tries to destroy humanity using hoards of subhuman monsters, not to mention said quisling Aes Sedai. (What they think they'll ultimately get out of universal destruction is anyone's guess.)

    tabletop example:

    • Exalted has the Yozi, the so-called Demon Princes. They're Eldritch Abominations who built the universe and were overthrown by the gods and humans they had created (there's a strong titan theme with them). They now sit imprisoned in the Bloody Bowels Of Hell, tormenting infinite hapless demons, trying to lure mortals and Exalted into Faustian deals for morally dubious goals. They aren't necessarily pure evil, but they're bad news very alien, and generally not fond of humanity. For example, the Ebon Dragon is the cosmic embodiment of betrayal, among other things. She Who Lives In Her Name wants to get rid of free will, for the greater good.

    video game example:

    • The Warcraft series has Sargeras, once a divine Titan tasked with battling the demon hordes and protecting the universe while the rest of the Titan pantheon created more planets. Exposure to the demons and their home dimension eventually drove Sargeras batshit insane, so he joined the demon hordes as their evil overlord. He led the Burning Crusade to invade many worlds and enslave/assimilate/demonize many species, before he was finally blown up on Azeroth. His blood and other leftover bits can give mortals great power, at the cost of sanity (and potentially turning into a demon).

    Deathwing probably counts too, but I don't know enough to write that example.
  • June 13, 2013
    TwoGunAngel
    The five members of the Godhand from Berserk are very much satanic archetypes. Not only do they rule over all demonkind, but they also make deals with mortals to become demons themselves by sacrificing those closest to them. Void, the de facto leader of the Godhand who marks people for sacrifice; and Femto, the newest member who has committed some of the nastiest evil acts of any of the five so far and is even blood-red in the first anime, particularly stand out.
  • June 13, 2013
    Craig
    How about calling the trope "Luci Five!"

    Also 'Sauron' smells pretty close to Satan without infringing copyright.
  • June 13, 2013
    ArcadesSabboth
    Sauron is the Devil's chief lieutenant, so he can only be this trope if a Satanic Archetype can co-exist with the actual Satan.
  • June 13, 2013
    morenohijazo
    Has the trope The Anti God been mentioned already?
  • June 13, 2013
    Voyd211
    It has not, but that trope is not this one.
  • June 13, 2013
    grapesandmilk
    • Chernabog in Fantasia is portrayed as a giant black demon with horns and bat wings. Walt Disney even described him as being Satan himself. The god was based on a lesser-known Slavic god, which may be an example of Everybody Hates Hades.
  • June 17, 2013
    MrThorfan64
    You could put the Black Guardian, Fenric, or the Beast from Doctor Who.
  • June 17, 2013
    Voyd211
    Examples can be added to the draft at your leisure. Some of these, I've never heard of, or know very little about. Others, I just end up doing other things and forgetting about this (gasp!).

    I don't know anything about the guys from the post above this, for instance.
  • June 17, 2013
    ArcadesSabboth
    Thank you.

    If anyone's familiar with Adventure Time or Marvel Comics, can you please expand those Zero Context Example's?

    Voyd211: May I also remove Melkor-Morgoth, please?
  • June 17, 2013
    aurora369
    Seconding removal of Melkor. His being bound outside the universe refers to him being unable to physically enter the world and start swinging his mace again (something Satan is not particularly known to do, unless it's very specific circumstances). His element is still spread throughout Arda, and through it, he can and will corrupt people. Subtly.
  • June 17, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^^ I still haven't heard a proper explanation for Morgoth actually being Satan. And (as I said before) you shouldn't remove him from the list even if he was Satan. Just list him as an aversion the same way Aslan is listed as an aversion of Crystal Dragon Jesus.
  • June 17, 2013
    ArcadesSabboth
    We aren't supposed to list aversions of non-universal tropes. If the trope isn't universal even within the genre, then lising every books that lacks a Satanic Archetype would pointlessly clutter up the page. (see Averted Trope)

    As for Morgoth: his being Satan is explicitly stated in Word Of God. Isn't that enough? Or do you want a quote? I don't find it in Morgoth's Ring (although that is explicit that Eru = God and Arda is Christian, and refers to Morgoth as "the Diabolus") so it must be in Letters by JRR Tolkien, which I don't have on hand.

    I guess I don't really understand why you don't believe that he's Satan. If Aslan is obviously Jesus to anyone who's familiar with the Christian conception of Jesus, I don't get why Morgoth=Satan is less obvious. Middle Earth is clearly a Christian setting, not a fantasy cosmology. What would you consider a "proper explanation"?
  • June 17, 2013
    DRCEQ
    Clarification on the Marvel Comics examples. Mephisto and Satanish are only 2 of numerous unique characters who all represent different aspects, emotions, aspirations, motives, etc. of Hell.

    The Hell Lords are a group of demons composed of Asmodeus, Hela, Mephisto, Pluto, Satannish The Supreme, and Satana. Former members of the group included Beelzeboul, Dormammu, Hellstrom, Lucifer/Satan, Marduk Kurios, Olivier, Thog the Nether-Spawn, and Umar the Unrelenting. Yes, Satan himself used to be a member of a group of demons who represent all the aspects of Satan and have passed themselves off as Satan according to how mortals perceive and interpret the religions and mythos behind him.

  • June 17, 2013
    ArcadesSabboth
    ^ Added the above and Deathwing.
  • June 19, 2013
    Voyd211
    I'm not sure about Melkor. Feel free to remove him or keep him, since I don't really know
  • June 19, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    @ArcadesSabboth: Aslan being Jesus is hinted in the work itself (he says he has a different form in our world, which verifies that he isn't simply an allegorical character). Even The Other Wiki confirms this.

    I tried looking for confirmation for Melkor/Morgoth being Satan, but couldn't find anything, so yes, I do want to see a quote from a reliable source before I'm ready to believe that what you're saying is true.
  • June 23, 2013
    Voyd211
    Bump.
  • June 29, 2013
    Voyd211
    Bump. Come on people, just a bit more.
  • June 29, 2013
    Djanchorhead
    Hild from Ah My Goddess is the setting's resident Satan analogue She's also the mother of Urd one of the main characters in the series
  • June 30, 2013
    Voyd211
    Launched!

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable

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