UnknownItemIdentification Unknown Item Identification YKTTW Discussion

Unknown Item Identification
Part of a game's challenge is collecting, identifying, and using unknown items
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This was initially proposed as a "dueling YKTTW" to Scroll of Identify. Since an item identification mechanic necessarily requires unidentified items, some have suggested a single trope to cover both concepts, which is what this proposal is being rewritten to be.

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In many Role Playing Games (particularly of the Roguelike genre), a Dungeon Crawling party finds items whose exact identities and purposes are a mystery — the characters don't recognize what these items are supposed to be, so the game labels them as "unknown" or "unidentified", or sometimes with extremely generic descriptors like "a red potion" (as opposed to "Healing Potion" or "Elixir of Life") or "a scroll labelled 'FOOBIE BLETCH'". This can be Justified for certain kinds of items, like potion bottles whose labels may be the only way to know for sure what's inside (assuming the label is accurate), or items that are stored/hidden inside a container.

Before the player can (safely) use or equip the item, they need to divine exactly what the heck they're looking at, which commonly requires another specific item, a special skill, or an NPC specializing in identification/appraisal/whatever-they-call-it. Until then, the only thing the item really does is occupy space in the player's Inventory Management Puzzle, which (depending on the size of that inventory) may require the player to decide whether it's really worth lugging around twenty extra pounds of useless junk until they can get it identified later (which could be a long time, depending on the method(s) available), or if it's something they can safely toss out and/or come back for later (without it getting Lost Forever).

Whether or not the player can use an item before getting it identified varies by game — do you really want to take the chance that a random glass bottle filled with purple goop is a Healing Potion and not poison, or that a shiny-looking sword is actually a useful weapon as opposed to everyday Vendor Trash (or worse, harboring a nasty — and usually clingyCurse?) Some systems won't even let you use or equip the item at all until its true nature has been discovered; others will let you do so at your own peril (but will usually disclose the item's true nature after the fact if you do).

Sometimes the way an unidentified item is generated or listed in the player's inventory gives hints as to the item's true nature. For example, in some games, whatever description (in-game icon, Flavor Text, etc.) a game assigns to a certain type of unidentified item remains consistent for all items of the same type, so if one unidentified 'blue potion' refills your Mana Meter, there's a good chance that any future 'blue potions' will do the same. Likewise, if a game collates the player's inventory by item type and quantity, then any "Blue Potion x2" (as opposed to "Blue Potion" A and "Blue Potion" B) is most likely to be two of the same item. But this is not guaranteed — it depends on whether the game decides the item's true properties when it's acquired or when it's actually used; and since unidentified items go hand in hand with Randomly Generated Loot and Randomly Generated Levels, these properties may be assigned at random to begin with, so knowledge from one play session may have only limited use in the next: e.g. drinking a blue potion from one dungeon may heal you, but a similar-looking blue potion in another dungeon might make you breathe fire instead.

This is Older Than the NES, with roots in Tabletop RPGs where items may have hidden properties known only to the Game Master unless/until discovered by the players.

Note that this does not necessarily apply to items whose unidentified nature is a plot point — Video Games generally keep plot-relevant items (identified or otherwise) in a category separate from regular inventory items.


    Action Adventure Games 
  • In Onimusha: Dawn of Dreams, whenever you find a treasure box and you can't solve the puzzle, you have the option of simply smashing it open, though the item inside will be labelled as "Unknown". Once you reach the merchant, he can identify it for you... for a small fee, of course.
  • In ToeJam and Earl, presents are initially unidentified. Though, since all presents of the same design contain the same item or effect, using one automatically identifies any identical ones, whether in the player's inventory or on the ground. The "man in the carrot suit" is a randomly-appearing NPC who can identify a present for a few dollars. This is important because one of the effects is the Randomizer, which unidentifies all presents and scrambles the design-effect relationships!

    Action RPGs 
  • Brave Fencer Musashi has treasure chest items that need to be appraised in town by Conner. Several such items turn out to be pieces of legendary equipment, but in general it's Played for Laughs with a lot of the items seeming more valuable when unappraised — an "Old Crown" turns out to be a "Cakepan", for instance.
  • Dragon's Crown has loot acquired throughout stages that can be identified for a fee at the end of the stage.

    Eastern RPGs 
  • The Nintendo DS version of Glory of Heracles has rusty items which need to be taken to a polisher to make them proper weapons.
  • In The Last Story, enemies may occasionally drop rare items labelled "? SWORD". The player can't equip these as-is, but may take them to specific NPCs for appraisal. The items may turn out to be actual weapons (often strong ones at the time, though sometimes cursed) or useless ornamental ones.
  • In the Suikoden games you can pick up ?Pots, ?Paintings and ?Statues which you can take to an art appraiser to have valued and identified, and then either sell or use to decorate your home base. Alternatively, you can sell the items unidentified for a small amount. Anything useful never needs identifying, however.

    MMO Games 
  • Using the Plus sign in Kingdom of Loathing identifies all items associated with the Enormous Greater-Than Sign, aka The Dungeons of Doom. It's all a reference to the roguelike NetHack.
  • In Phantasy Star Online, all rare weapons dropped by monsters appear as "?SPECIAL WEAPON". They can still be equipped in this state (which lets the player identify the weapon type, assuming their character can equip it), but its special abilities won't be available until taken to a Tekker for proper identification.
  • RuneScape:
    • The game used to have unidentified herbs which could only be identified with the proper Herblore level. This feature was patched away in 2007 because some players were abusing it in scams, offering the herbs in trades and claiming them to be more valuable than they really were.
    • Nitroglycerin, a quest item, is labeled "Unidentified liquid" until you bring it to an archaeologist who can tell you what it is (and scream at you not to drop it).

  • Ancient Domains of Mystery has Wands and Scrolls of Identify, which serve their expected function. However, whether these tools are cursed or blessed makes a world of difference. A normal scroll of identify will only identify an item. A blessed scroll of identify will identify your entire inventory and show what items are blessed or cursed. A cursed scroll of identify will give the player amnesia, removing knowledge of every inventory item instead.
  • Angband and its variants have items start out unidentified: potions, scrolls, wands, staves, jewelry, armor, and weapons.
  • Castle of the Winds has the Identify spell as a scroll (single use), staff (multiple uses), or spellbook (permanently learn). Each town also has a sage that can identify items for a fee. Equipment may be enchanted or cursed, and magic items like potions, scrolls, and wands are completely unknown until you dare to use them or use one of the identification methods.
  • The Diablo games have unknown items. You can also take your items into town and have Cain identify them, or buy a scroll to do it for the same price of 100 gold. Starting with Diablo III, the player has a Great Big Book of Everything; simply right-click on an unknown item and wait a few seconds to identify it.
  • Dungeon Crawl has 'em. They are rather costly to buy from a shop (80 gp if it's identified), but luckily they are one of the most common scrolls in the game. If the save isn't "jinxed" to lack in the SoI department, it's a rather safe bet that if you have 4 or more of the same scroll in the early stages of the game, it's either Scroll of Identify, Scroll of Noise, or Scroll of Random Uselessness.
  • Elona has 'em. Similar to Diablo, scholars in towns can identify items for you.
  • FATE has 'em, and also has books of identify, which can be used more times.
  • Final Fantasy Fables: Chocobo's Dungeon has talons and saddles (read: weapons and armor) that may harbor curses or stat bonuses, while collars, food, and flasks have generic descriptors until identified. Appraisal Glasses and Scholar's Glasses are consumable items for identifying one or all unknown items Chocobo is carrying, respectively. The Scholar job has the Appraise ability to analyze all items as well. Finally, wearing the Appraiser's Collar lets Chocobo automatically identify items as he picks them up.
  • NetHack is the Trope Codifier. It also has a high-level spell for the purpose of identifying unknown items.
  • Shiren the Wanderer has scrolls of identify (which have a small chance to identify every item in your inventory) as well as jars of identify which can identify any item you put into them.
  • Scrolls of Identification double as Practical Currency in Path of Exile.

    Tabletop Games 
  • Dungeons & Dragons has a number of options depending on the item to be identified:
    • Read magic is one of the most basic spells available to any caster, and can be used to identify the spells contained in scrolls. The catch is that only an arcane spellcaster (bard, sorcerer, wizard) can use arcane scrolls; same goes for divine casters (cleric, druid, paladin, ranger) and divine scrolls.
    • Detect magic is another common, low-level spell, and combined with the Spellcraft skill a player can analyze the aura of a magic item to infer some of its properties.
    • Identify is a 1st-level spell usable by wizards, sorcerers, bards, and clerics with the Magic domain. It identifies all properties of a single magic item. And yes, you can scribe a scroll of the spell with the proper item creation feat. Another option is to use a Knowledge skill check to deduce the item's properties.
    • For more mundane treasures like gemstones and art objects, the Appraise skill lets a player estimate monetary values.
    • The rulebooks suggest that a character who frequently uses potions can learn to identify them by sampling the contents; just enough to taste but not enough to activate the magic.
  • In Lejendary Adventure, the Loviatskya's Infallible Energy Analysis and Read Power powers let the user see the energy inside an Extraordinary (magical) item to understand what it is and what it does.

    Western RPGs 
  • Arcanum has unidentified magick items which must be identified to unlock their potential; this can be done by either learning "Divine Magick", a fifth-level divination spell, or paying 100 gold to a wise woman. Since character points are finite and gold isn't in short supply, sensible players opt for the latter.
  • Many video games based on Dungeons & Dragons will copy its mechanics:
    • The first Eye of the Beholder game has the detect magic spell to determine whether an item is magical, but doesn't reveal what powers a magic item has.
    • The Neverwinter Nights series has the identify spell. You can also make a Lore check or pay a fee to a shopkeeper to identify magic items acquired as dungeon loot.
  • In The Elder Scrolls series, a low Alchemy skill prevents the player from determining the properties of alchemical ingredients. In some games, such as Skyrim, ingredients that the player has not used in experiments always have unknown properties. However, tasting the ingredients exposes the player to diluted version of their powers — as opposed to the stronger powers of potions brewed from these ingredients — so it's almost always safe to taste them.
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