Created By: HandsomeRobMay 4, 2012 Last Edited By: ArivneDecember 14, 2014
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Sensing You Are Outmatched

A fighter who is powerful in their own right immediately recognizes that an enemy is way too much for them.

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Alternate title: Sensing The Power Gap, Recognizing Your Betters.

A great sign of wisdom is the ability to measure your own strength, as compared to your opponents. After all, in order to know how strong you are, you must first know how weak you are.

This is the trope for when a fighter bows out of a battle he can't win, or at least knows that his enemy is much stronger than they look. Perhaps it's because he or she is Weak But Skilled, and has a keen enough eye to see why the other dude is so powerful. Or maybe His Stat O Vision lets him recognize that his enemy\'s Power Level is Over 9000! Whatever the case, he knows he can't win, or at least knows that Underestimating Bad Assery is a bad idea for those in love with breathing.

This could be seen as a Sub Trope of Know When To Fold Em, showing us why a character would give up a fight without trying. Enemy Scan And Readings Are Off The Scale could be how they learn the strength of their opponent, and Screw This Im Outta Here can be the final result.


Examples

Anime and Manga
  • Dragon Ball
    • Was notorious for this, especially during the later part of the series. Often if you weren't a Saiyan, all you could do was sense that your enemy was way too powerful for you to even think of fighting against.
    • When Tenshihan was fighting Tao-Pi-Pi, the latter could find no flaws in the formers defense, leaving him unable to attack at all. It seemed to work both ways, but Tenshihan was actively choosing not to attack to let Tao see for himself how outmatched he was.
    • In the early portions of the Buu Arc, Piccolo forfeited when he realized he was fighting the Supreme Kai / Kaioushin. He knew right away he stood no chance of winning, and dropped the fight at the first opportunity.
    • Vegeta tends to subvert this, as he has a somewhat bad habit of misjudging his own power compared to his opponents. It got him killed against Frieza (after he convinced the former to reveal his true form), and caused the rise of Perfect Cell as well.
  • Pokemon Special (AKA Pokemon Adventures)
    • Green forfeits to a wild Mew because he knows his Charmander isn't strong enough to win. Red, at the time an Idiot Hero plowed ahead and got beaten easily.
    • Meanwhile the anime has Paul vs Cynthia. It's played with at first, in that Paul challenges her to a full battle, and she starts with her strongest pokemon, Garchomp. We watch as she steamrolls every pokemon he throws at it. However after he gets it to use Giga Impact, he reveals that he never wanted to fight all her Pokemon; he only intended to see if he could beat Garchomp, and brings out his strongest Pokemon to take advantage of Garchomp's weakness. He still gets flattened by Garchomp however, and gives up when he realizes he can't beat all her strongest Pokemon even with all of his. So he knew he couldn't beat her whole party, but still hoped he could take at least one of them with the right plan until the situation proved otherwise.
  • Played with In Mahou Sensei Negima This dude is smart enough to realize that his opponent is not someone to be trifled with and wisely decided to stay on guard. The Result? Well what did you expect? It's Evangeline.
  • Subverted in Soul Eater. Early on, Maka gains the ability to detect soul wavelengths while fighting Prof. Franken Stein. She sees how powerful he is but Soul convinces her to stand her ground anyway. This causes Stein to give them both a passing grade.
  • Happens a number of times in the Vagabond manga, usually when characters confronting either Miyamoto Musashi or Sasaki Kojiro realize they're in over their heads. Justified, since a skilled swordsman who wants to make a name as a swordsman should have an idea when he's biting off more than he can chew. Surprisingly enough, despite his reputation as an Invincible Hero and being the main character, Musashi has also had this happen to him a few times.
  • Defied in Bleach. Ulquiorra gets his power level through the roof to demoralise Ichigo, but the hero is a firm believer in Strong As They Need To Be and just plain too stubborn to back down. Played straight earlier during Soul Society Arc when Captain Yamamoto gets angry and his aura is so strong, vice captain Nanao suffers a full blown panic attack and has to be taken away from the fight.

Comics

Literature
  • Assassin Of Gor
    • Cernus, in order to torment a condemned prisoner, offers him a chance for freedom. If the prisoner's champion beats his champion at a chess-like game, the prisoner will go free. Cernus chooses a proud young prodigy named Scormus from himself and a homeless mentally disabled "fool" for the prisoner. The fool spends most of the time screwing around, and everyone's convinced he doesn't understand the game and his moves are random. Scormus, however, realizes early in the match that the the fool is better than he looks, and eventually yields the game to him. He's soon proven correct when an enraged Cernus takes over his position and loses as predicted.
    • Unknown to Cernus or Scormus, the "fool" is Scormus' father, bred from a slave who has also shown great proficiency in the Game (despite the Game being forbidden to slaves). That's where Scormus gets his great skill from. Also, earlier in the same scene, Scormus refuses to play against the "fool" because it would do dishonor to the Game and insists that he be allowed instead to play against Qualius, another Player who is in attendance. Qualius knows his and Scormus' levels of skill and assures Cernus that he (Qualius) would lose.

Film
  • At the beginning of The Matrix, an unarmed Trinty defeats two units of armed police officers single handedly. As soon as she sees an Agent, however, she starts to run for her life.
  • In Sherlock Holmes: A Game Of Shadows, Holmes displays his signature Awesomeness By Analysis via Sherlock Scan ability when about to fight Moriarty. The Scan reveals that there is no way Sherlock could survive a fight with Moriarty, so he has to Take A Third Option.

Live Action TV
  • In Justified Rayland is a Cowboy Cop and Fearless Fool who tends to take risks and succeed because he is more skilled and determined than his opponents. However, when he tries to intimidate Limehouse into giving him information, he ends up in an armed standoff with Limehouse's men. Rayland realizes that Limehouse is one of the few criminals in the area who are not only unafraid to kill a U.S. Marshall but are also capable of making the Marshall's body disappear without a trace. Realizing that he cannot bully or bluff Limehousem, he instead appeals to Limehouse's honor so they can end the standoff peacefully. It is one of the few times on the show that Rayland is really scared for his life.
  • Burn Notice has a moment of this when Mike and Fiona are protecting a bail jumper while trying to prove him innocent. The bounty hunter that they originally rescued him from is well trained and, in Mike's words, has "six inches and fifty pounds" on him.
    Michael: Ohh, damn.

Mythology and Religion
  • On Cuchulainn's blooding, his first combat as a warrior, he sought out three brothers who were renowned fighters and defeated them all. One of the brothers had the ability to instantly judge his opponent's abilities at a glance, and upon seeing Cuchulainn, immediately surrendered. But because he was afflicted with berserk rage, Cuchulainn killed him anyway.

Visual Novel

Video Games
  • In Skies Of Arcadia, Vyse immediately knows that he and Aika are no match for Galcian and advises her to run instead of standing their ground. If you ignore him or don't run fast enough, Galcian will curb stomp you into a premature Game Over.

Real Life
  • In Real Life (and for any situation, not just sizing up an opponent) this is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect. More specifically, that it means skilled people are both more able to recognise skill in others, tend to underestimate their own skill and often make the mistake of assuming others are equally skilled (less skilled people are the opposite).

Community Feedback Replies: 117
  • May 4, 2012
    Bisected8
    • In Real Life (and for any situation, not just sizing up an opponent) this is known as the Pokemon Adventures Green forfeits to a wild Mew because he knows his Charmander isn't strong enough to win. Red, at the time an Idiot Hero plowed ahead and got beaten easily.
  • May 5, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^^ But Babidi isn't all that strong is he? I mean, that's why he had Dabura around, to protect him until he awoke Buu. While it's true that the Supreme Kai greatly underestimated the Saiyan characters, and that Piccolo is the next strongest after them, that doesn't necessarily translate into Piccolo being the stronger of the two.
  • May 5, 2012
    Topazan
    I wonder if Bisected8 copy/pasted the wrong thing by mistake. I didn't find anything about "the enter changes" on wikipedia or google.
  • May 5, 2012
    Arivne
    ^ @Topazan: Sometimes when you try to copy a URL from Wikipedia into a YKTTW post it messes up, leaves the "enter changes" Pot Hole and prevents the post from being edited. It's happened to me several times.
  • May 5, 2012
    Topazan
    ^ I see, thanks. In either case, it probably shouldn't have been copied to the OP.
  • May 6, 2012
    oztrickster
    The Dreaded link needs to be changed, it should be "Except for that one dude in front of him".
  • May 6, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^ Thanks. Fixed that.

    As for the Enter Changes part, what was it supposed to be in the first place, and I can just add that in.
  • May 6, 2012
    judasmartel
    Is this trope related to The Worf Effect and Mugging The Monster?
  • May 6, 2012
    dalek955
  • May 6, 2012
    Fanra
    "Skilled enough to know you suck"?

    Needs A Better Title.

    May I suggest, "Skilled Enough to Know You Are Outmatched". Yeah, too long but I think that is closer to what you mean.

    Perhaps someone else can do better.
  • May 7, 2012
    Mewt
    Maybe "Sensing You Are Outmatched"?
  • May 7, 2012
    Topazan
    @Handsome Rob - I see something about "Dunning" in Bisected8's defective link, so maybe he meant the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
  • May 7, 2012
    Bisected8
    Sorry about that, when my post glitched it seemed to stop me editing it. I was talking about the Dunning-Kruger effect. More specifically, that it means skilled people are both more able to recognise skill in others, tend to underestimate their own skill and often make the mistake of assuming others are equally skilled (less skilled people are the opposite).

    I also pointed out that the second paragraph should have began with "Except", but that's already been fixed.
  • May 7, 2012
    quikdraw7777
    To me, this sounds VERY close to the trope - "Know when to Fold 'em"
  • May 8, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^ It kind of does. It could be a subtrope or supertrope highlighting why they decide to give up.
  • May 8, 2012
    VictorZsasz29292
  • May 8, 2012
    Bisected8
    That's when someone bails on their allies (typically villains) when things turn against them.

    It would probably be a subtrope of this. Come to think of it, this would probably be a subtrope of Know When To Fold Em.
  • May 19, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Bump.
  • May 19, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Where's the trope definition in that writeup again? Must be getting drowned out in all the Example As A Thesis.

  • May 19, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^ Added some extra lines that I'm hoping will make things more clear. I'll continue to try and refine the description later.
  • May 20, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Extra lines aren't helping me locate the thesis in there. (I always view it as: If you can't tweet an Example As A Thesis, it's too long.)
  • May 20, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Tried another rewrite. Let me know if that's better.
  • May 20, 2012
    captainpat
    Sorry, but the first two paragraph seem unnecessary. It's best to leave the examples to the example section.
  • May 20, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^Alright. As soon as I think up a new way to phrase it, I'll make the change.
  • May 20, 2012
    Stratadrake
    I'm thinking something along the lines that with training comes skill, so an expert can generally identify another's skill level through simple observation of them. So when someone who is more skilled than them shows up, the expert can identify it pretty quickly.
  • June 3, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Alright, redid the intro again. Let me know if it's still too long or something.
  • June 26, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Giving this another Bump
  • June 26, 2012
    Bisected8
    It's probably best to remove the second paragraph altogether. If you really want to talk about it this way you can add a Playing With Wiki entry when it's launched.

    • Subverted in Soul Eater; early on, Maka gains the ability to detect soul wavelengths while fighting Prof. Franken Stein. She sees how powerful he is but Soul convinces her to stand her ground anyway. This causes Stein to give them both a passing grade.
  • June 26, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^ Done and done. It does look better.
  • June 26, 2012
    Bisected8
    ...I meant the Example As Thesis paragraph (EAT is discouraged), beginning "Bob and Alice". Not the actual description of the trope.
  • June 26, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Crap. I'll try and see if I can remember that part.

    Edit: Fixed.
  • June 26, 2012
    Bisected8
    If you click on the open book icon to the right of the edit button you can see the edit history for the YKTTW, just so you know.
  • June 27, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Yeah. That's how I did it. Fortunately I remembered that.
  • July 3, 2012
    ElCheViva
    At the beginning of The Matrix, an unarmed Trinty defeats two units of armed police officers single handedly. As soon as she sees an agent, however, she starts to run for her life.
  • July 3, 2012
    Poprocks311
    Often found in videogames when you the player see an enemy that you know is stronger then you Example: Finding a Death Claw in Fallout for the first time and not being strong enough to kill it, another would be seeing a Big Daddy for the first time in Bioshock killing a Splicer.
  • August 2, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Imma bumpin mah Threadzors!!!

    ...sorry.
  • August 2, 2012
    nielas
    • In Justified Rayland is a Cowboy Cop and Fearless Fool who tends to take risks and succeed because he is more skilled and determined than his opponents. However, when he tries to intimidate Limehouse into giving him information, he ends up in an armed standoff with Limehouse's men. Rayland realizes that Limehouse is one of the few criminals in the area who are not only unafraid to kill a US Marshall but are also capable to make the Marshall's body disappear without a trace. Realizing that he cannot bully or bluff Limehousem, he instead appeals to Limehouse's honor so they can end the standoff peacefully. It is one of the few times on the show that Rayland is really scared for his life.
  • August 2, 2012
    TheWanderer
    • Happens a number of times in the Vagabond manga, usually when characters confronting either Miyamoto Musashi or Sasaki Kojiro realize they're in over their heads. Justified, since a skilled swordsman who wants to make a name as a swordsman should have an idea when he's biting off more than he can chew. Surprisingly enough, despite his reputation as an Invincible Hero and being the main character, Musashi has also had this happen to him a few times.
  • August 7, 2012
    Topazan
    • In Assassin Of Gor Cernus, in order to torment a condemned prisoner, offers him a chance for freedom. If the prisoner's champion beats his champion at a chess-like game, the prisoner will go free. Cernus chooses a proud young prodigy named Scormus from himself and a homeless mentally disabled "fool" for the prisoner. The fool spends most of the time screwing around, and everyone's convinced he doesn't understand the game and his moves are random. Scormus, however, realizes early in the match that the the fool is better than he looks, and eventually yields the game to him. He's soon proven correct when an enraged Cernus takes over his position and loses as predicted.
  • August 7, 2012
    randomsurfer
    ^Unknown to Cernus or Scormus, the "fool" is Scormus' father, bred from a slave who has also shown great proficiency in the Game (despite the Game being forbidden to slaves). That's where Scormus gets his great skill from.

    Shortly earlier in the same scene, Scormus refuses to play against the "fool" because it would do dishonor to the Game and insists that he be allowed instead to play against Qualius, another Player who is in attendance. Qualius knows his and Scormus' levels of skill and assures Cernus that he (Qualius) would lose.
  • August 7, 2012
    acrobox
    maybe something like Sensing The Gap oor No Chance Knowledge or Fearing Foresight or like Intimidation Factor even though youd have to rewrite ait to be slightly more the perspective of the stronger person than the weaker person
  • August 7, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Sensing the Gap or something along those lines seems good.
  • August 7, 2012
    abk0100
    Sensing The Power Gap? (not that I dislike the current name)
  • August 11, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^ That's sounds like a good one.

    Do you guys think I should change the name, or stick with what I've got?

    Any other suggestions.
  • August 19, 2012
    Jordan
    Wonder if either of these count:

  • August 20, 2012
    BearyScary
    I like Sensing the Power Gap. Better than one I came up with: He's Better Than Me.
  • August 20, 2012
    Psuliin
    For a title, how about Feel the Pwnage?
  • August 25, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    ^ As funny as that sounds, I'm not sure it totally explains the trope.

    So are we going with Sensing the Power Gap?
  • October 2, 2012
    HandsomeRob
    Bump
  • October 24, 2012
    HiWayXingFrog
    Sensing the Power Gap doesn't imply that the one sensing is outmatched.
  • October 24, 2012
    Khantalas
  • October 26, 2012
    LimitRemoval
    Detection Of Combat Inferiority, or more humorously, Sense Of Impending Curb Stomp. He Is Too Strong also gets the point across pretty well.
  • October 27, 2012
    Topazan
  • October 28, 2012
    WeAreAllKosh
    A Tactical Withdrawal can be due to this, but not always. A related trope, though.
  • October 28, 2012
    Mozgwsloiku
    Defied in Bleach - Ulquiorra gets his power level through the roof to demoralise Ichigo, but the hero is a firm believer in Strong As They Need To Be and just plain too stubborn to back down. Played straight earlier during Soul Society Arc when Captain Yamamoto gets angry and his aura is so strong, vice captain Nanao suffers a full blown panic attack and has to be taken away from the fight.
  • December 20, 2012
    HiWayXingFrog
    Gonna go and give this a bump
  • December 21, 2012
    Desertopa
    • On Cuchulainn's blooding, his first combat as a warrior, he sought out three brothers who were renowned fighters and defeated them all. One of the brothers had the ability to instantly judge his opponent's abilities at a glance, and upon seeing Cuchulainn, immediately surrendered. But because he was afflicted with berserk rage, Cuchulainn killed him anyway.
  • December 22, 2012
    StarSword
    • Burn Notice has a moment of this when Mike and Fiona are protecting a bail jumper while trying to prove him innocent. The bounty hunter that they originally rescued him from is well trained and, in Mike's words, has "six inches and fifty pounds" on him.
      Michael: Ohh, damn.
  • March 2, 2013
    HandsomeRob
    Bump
  • March 5, 2013
    Sparrowhawke
    What about 'We can't win this' that or I instead of we. Predicting Defeat and He Is Too Strong is also good.
  • July 10, 2013
    HandsomeRob
    Bump.
  • October 21, 2013
    HandsomeRob
    Bump
  • October 21, 2013
    DAN004
    Title crowner plz.
  • April 29, 2014
    HandsomeRob
    ^ I actually don't know how to do that.

    Or what it is. I never gave much thought to it before.
  • April 29, 2014
    Earnest
    See also The Force Is Strong With This One. Compare Scry Vs Scry, when the reading is actually "Stalemate".
  • April 29, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
  • April 29, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    How about It's Looking Bad, Man?

    Source: S 4 League (announcer, when in Touchdown mode the opponent team scores; I think it's even limited to cases when the goal results in opponent team taking the lead or widening the small lead they have; but I'd rather not check, the game degenerated hard, in my opinion) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEQ1voOEPQ0
  • April 30, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ sounds like an actual line of dialogue, so automatically fails No New Stock Phrases.

    Unfortunate. That could have been a good name.
  • April 30, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
  • April 30, 2014
    Paradisesnake
    Can overlap with Spider Sense, if the character's ability to sense the danger is an actual superpower.
  • April 30, 2014
    DAN004
    Dammit, crowner plz.
  • April 30, 2014
    Elfkaiser
    For when animals do this, see Scare The Dog.
  • May 6, 2014
    DAN004
    So is this Up For Grabs yet?
  • May 7, 2014
    Arivne
    Tabletop Games
    • Dungeons And Dragons 1st Edition Oriental Adventures supplement. When two combatants have a Psychic Duel to determine which one has the most willpower, the loser may realize that he is inferior to his opponent and walk away, thus avoiding combat altogether.
  • May 7, 2014
    Larkmarn
    Pulling a hat until name discussion and examples cleanup. There's a ton of bad Example Indentation, a lack of namespacing, and formatting errors.

    In terms of name, I think Predicting Defeat is my current favorite.

    • One Marvel Comics and DC Comics crossover had Captain America and Batman square off. Except their fight was entirely in their minds; they were such expert fighters they knew exactly how the fight would play out and thus resolved the fight without a single punch thrown.
  • May 7, 2014
    FalconPain
    Parodied during Bob And George's retelling of the Mega Man 3 storyline. Mega Man accidentally switches to the seemingly-useless Top Spin when facing off against Shadow Man, leading the latter to immediately retreat, as "I see now that you are too powerful for me to defeat." Mega Man has no idea what just happened.
  • May 7, 2014
    Generality
    Aside from the above examples, this is invoked in Bleach: Anyone with Spirit Energy (i.e. any main character) will feel waves of dread or weakness when someone much stronger approaches. If the difference in strength is enough, they can even be paralyzed.
  • May 8, 2014
    Arivne
    • Deleted unnecessary blank line(s).
    • De-capitalized Significant Capital(s): (Wisdom).
    • Corrected spelling (oppoent, Garchomps -> Garchomp's, signiature).
    • Examples section formatting.
      • Added a line separating the Description and Examples sections.
      • Added a space between the * and the first word following it.
    • Added blank line(s) for readability.
    • Namespaced and italicized work name(s).
    • Corrected improper Example Indentation in the Dragon Ball example.
    • Capitalized (agent).
    • De-Pot Holed the work name in the Sherlock Holmes example as per How To Write An Example - State the source.
    • Changed "to make" to "of making".
  • May 8, 2014
    DAN004
  • May 30, 2014
    HandsomeRob
    How bout Predicting Your Own Defeat?

    I actually think that works.
  • May 30, 2014
    DAN004
    Gonna grab this, if nobody objects
  • May 31, 2014
    HandsomeRob
    It's still a hat short of being ready to launch, but if you want to take over, that's cool.

    .....I want all credit or I sue you.
  • June 1, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ OMFG the OP! D:
  • June 1, 2014
    randomsurfer
    Any name with a personal pronoun in it (I, Me, You, Your, etc.) will be nuked from orbit by a mod for violating the "Sounds like dialog" portion of No New Stock Phrases.
  • June 2, 2014
    Arivne
    ^ Actually, the policy bans the use of "you" and "your" as if addressing another person (e.g. You Need To Leave or Thats Your Problem).

    In Sensing You Are Outmatched the "you" is referring to yourself. It's O.K. because it doesn't sound like you're talking to someone else (which is what "no line of dialog titles" forbids).
  • June 4, 2014
    DAN004
    Le bump
  • June 11, 2014
    DAN004
    Hello?
  • June 11, 2014
    crazysamaritan
  • June 11, 2014
    MyFinalEdits
    ^ Same. I find this trope very promising. =)
  • June 16, 2014
    DAN004
    I'd like the honors of launching it, if nobody objects
  • June 21, 2014
    DAN004
    One last bump.

    Are we in consensus for the title?
  • June 21, 2014
    KyleJacobs
    PUSH DA BUTTON.
  • June 26, 2014
    DAN004
    Still tempting to bump for moar examples.
  • June 27, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    Bump.
  • June 27, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    Does this require not-seeing the other party actual performance?

    Because it would take on different flavors if you, like, first see some guy defeat the other guy with very flashy moves and then you decide that you're no match for the first guy. Description doesn't seem to elaborate there.
  • June 27, 2014
    DAN004
  • June 27, 2014
    HandsomeRob
    I admit, I think it's good to launch.

    Unless you still want to see if the title needs work, I say go for it, More examples can be added later.
  • June 30, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    ^^ No, the point was that the "sense"-ible party perhaps is plain not in the match with the appraised one. A guy gets the fact that he's outmatched by deduction from friends' talk, from seeing the news, from witnessing his potential opponent perform in a normal match against some third party, that kind of thing. He hasn't actually tried fighting him yet though.
  • July 1, 2014
    DAN004
    You mean, you're talking about when the "you" have had infos on the "sensed" character before?
  • July 1, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    Before what? Before facing the sensed character personally? Yes.

    Before getting the sense of being outmatched? No. "Sensing" happens at the same time as getting the info still. The difference is in, like, it not being first-hand info.
  • July 1, 2014
    crazysamaritan
    Huh?? ^
  • July 1, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    ^ You imagine Bob and Charlie meet at the tennis court. They've never met before. First serve in 20 seconds. Bob breaks into sweat already, because he somehow senses that Charlie is about to steamroll him.

    The alternatives I want to be clarified go like this: 1. Bob watches a match between Charlie and David. All three are tennis proffesionals, but Bob breaks into a sweat. The way Charlie plays versus David, even if he doesn't seemingly dominate... Bob feels he wouldn't be able to hold out a candle for Charlie.

    2. Another option: Bob hears from Alice that Charlie had an amazing play yesterday. Bob breaks into a sweat, he's certain he's no match for Charlie. Even though Alice knows nothing about tennis, Bob knows he could never impress her that much and Bob knows her impressions are spot on. And Charlie is in his bracket this elimination tournament.

    3. Bob made a bet with Alice he will beat some Charlie he never heard about, at tennis match the next day. Pretty confident in his amateur skills, Bob comes home and sees local news on tv that Charlie wins another friendly game against multiple times Australian Open Cup holder. Bob's confidence is now squelching in his boots.
  • July 1, 2014
    crazysamaritan
    "First serve in 20 seconds": that is firsthand knowledge.

    1 is also firsthand knowledge, while 2 & 3 are secondhand knowledge.
  • July 1, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    The clarification I seek is whether the 1, 2, 3 fit this trope candidate actually >_< . The unnumbered is what would definitely fit — so much is clear if not from description, then from the similarity to other examples already in.
  • July 1, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ pretty sure "sensing" here refers to "directly looking at the guy and then measuring his prowess". Somewhat like The Force Is Strong With This One.
  • July 2, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    Hmmm. Then Matrix example gets disqualified. She just knows (from experience, or having been told) that agents are freaking beyond bad news, hence she runs.

    And then isn't Fate Stay Night a shoehorned example? Taiga has just lost a fight, not bowed out. Sure, they had bamboo swords, so arguable hints are there about needing to extrapolate real combat strength, but it's not about looking, no, sir. Perhaps she was overconfident, but I don't recall her going in knowing she'd be in an uphill battle. Also, Taiga is totally out of the loop about all the supernatural stuff going down in those works.

    Mahou Sensei Negima, thankfully with pictures, looks wrong (though this one is wrong either way). The guy is not feeling or sensing anything. He does a simplest rationalization.
  • July 2, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Rationalization, if done at first sight, should count here. (Usage of Stat O Vision, for one.)
  • July 2, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    Stat-o-vision would count as sensing/feeling.
  • July 2, 2014
    LordHerobrine
    Compare Genre Savvy where a character may know when they are in a bad situation because of the situation itself.

  • July 3, 2014
    DAN004
    So what else need to be sorted out?
  • July 8, 2014
    DAN004
    Bump?
  • July 9, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    Pardon a useless reply, I'm starting to see a pattern here, I think. Does the ^^-question imply that things mentioned in preceeding replies are deemed all sorted out? Or does the question mean to add more unresolved stuff for someone to resolve later all at once?
  • July 9, 2014
    DAN004
    I'm merely waiting for Handsome Rob to come out. Well unless he's ok with me launching this...
  • July 19, 2014
    DAN004
  • December 14, 2014
    HandsomeRob
    Sorry. Been a while.

    Alright. Launch this beast!!!!

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable