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True Art is Predictably Freaky
When True Art reaches a point of being stereotyped and then reverts to being incomprehensible
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"It is just bizarre how as if everything is somehow meant to be for fetish purposes." -paraphrased TV Trope hater quote

Sometimes True Art is no longer True Art. A writer meant to use something Taboo as a form of Aesop to enhance his work to True Art level only for his embraced work to inspire a fandom who would see too much into things thus creating future generations of more messed up works.

Then the Audience Reaction for such works would smarten up. Maybe they've read TV Tropes. Maybe they haven't but tropes get cloned too often that they've become disgusted. New writers then fall into a state of how do I stop readers from thinking this way?!

Over time, the future storytellers get fed up or join the other side that they make works of True Art that are subversions of True Art but really aren't because how could you subvert True Art?

In an ideal world, most of these could be consider Post-True Art but often times these are just unintended sequels to True Art that slips out of the grasp of both the haters and the fandom to produce something entirely incomprehensible but both sides would insist as easy to explain but would often just mean they'd worship and hate on the freakier aspects to define the concept.

For the artists' revelation, see Go Mad from the Revelation (though often times people don't so much as go mad but angry or disgusted), for when the fanbase is turned into zombies before it dawns on the artist to prevent this, see the phenomenon of the "The Red Stapler" especially entries where the artists regret inducing that trope.

This trope can commonly induce My God What I Have Done on artists who realized they have created the ripe opportunity for their works to be flanderized despite knowing before hand of the risks and flaws behind their model when it was still running at maintainable levels of standard.


Anime & Manga
  • The moe art style is a weird adaptation correction of the stereotypical anime style as it's supposed to continue the original large bug eye style Tezuka modeled after the Disney films but where as Tezuka used this style to step away from the Disneyfied naivete found in cartoons to portray more realistic cartoon youthful enthusiasm, the modern moe style uses this to push the Disney style of naivete Up to Eleven.
    • Ironically as more moe infects the mainstream of anime, certain people especially women try to model the look of their eyes around a form of real life moe that is based around the more contained style of moe
    • The second irony being that the popularity of anime has pretty much debunked the old Western impression that every anime style is drawn with large unrealistic bug eyes. Of course, as with most things, the producers of anime ended up assuming that the popularity was due to this pattern and released more translated series featuring more cutesy moe style and many obsessive Western fans thinking that was a way to support more English translated anime supported and even rallied around that until today most products, including American animation style trying to imitate attributes of anime, all follow a certain case where less orthodox manga style (including Tezuka's original style) are bound to be buried underneath the vast amounts of not only large exaggerated bug eyes but also more character attributes matching that of those matching the moe phenomenon. It's safe to say that the only reason anime and manga has segregated further is because most fanbase take these things as given no different than the art reaction for and against Western comic book superheroes have some lineage to spandex and underwear being worn on the outside.
    • One interesting quirk about Anime is that it was originally this for Western Audiences. That's why most English books informing people about why Manga and to that extent Anime is Anime tends to take spanning it's entire history of development just to explain what it to Western Audiences. Buy this book for an example:
      • Most of the confusion stems from Western Audiences not being used to categorizing or tagging comics in organic words such as emotions.
      • A common example of this is the confusion for Josei where even Westerners who understand the "For Women" aspect tend to prescribe this to Mature version of Shojo where as this term simply means that the comics is not for girls but instead aimed for women with little care of whether the subject is arbitrarily about a mature subject or not. The woman here meaning not so much a stereotypical woman but simply any woman: pervert, married, young girl old of thought, otaku, non-otaku. It doesn't matter. It's a category meant for the audience to find a way to acquire a particular piece of comics instead of being neatly filed into a store much like the TV Tropes Index.

  • Fanfiction can be this but even without fanfiction, literature is bogged by examples of works that are considered predictable by many people but sell well because they are predictable until a backlash happens only for nostalgia or vanity to kick in and an entire new form of bad literature becomes popular until one day someone hits the jackpot by combining both the quality of True Art with the common predictable cliches and the modern freakiness resulting in a notable Trope example or even a Trope Overdose or Trope namer.
  • Incidentally for general literature, many authors who mistake the messages and aesops in books as having the power to correctly influence the masses end up having their works flanderized due to this pattern. This only starts becoming freaky though when today many other mediums try to mimic the failures of literature unto other forms of recorded storytelling such as games and TV shows. Incidentally most documentaries also fall under this case. Very few authors seem to be also wary of this effect and if anything, there have been more pressure to sell the dream of books as a medium for instructional teaching particularly with the boom of the self-help fad.
    • kindly gives us 6 popular books that have been extremely made freaky over time. Predictably most of this being works of some high quality managed to leave most of it's readers with at least something. People just tend to remember the image rather than the original intent and eventually the original intent lost to the more romanticized and cult friendly misconceptions. Ironically, the generational continuation of flanderization is what drives the space for why these types of articles are clicked on by modern viewers who have the luxury of having the web. Playing straight to the trope though, many predictably remember the pop entertainment article versions even if they have read other more in-depth sites explaining each of these entries away and future works of art rarely ever go far in correcting this in such a way that the it's no longer propagated by a large number of repeat storytellers/trope users:
  • Jane Austen's novels, like Pride And Prejudice, were in part social commentary, but are mainly known for creating the template of modern-day Romantic Comedy. Over time, the genre has grown to significant size, but has often lost its socially critical angle. (Again, I'm not really up-to-date on the genre as it present itself today; I have seen a few romantic comedies, but found them so forgettable that I can't even remember their names).
  • Many directors of the original films can suffer from this especially as more films get rebooted and flanderized although most times it is averted as the blame is shifted towards whichever group is currently handing the project. There are rare examples though such as the phenomena of multiple animals being accidentally killed due to unrealistic film portrayals of how they are taken care of that have led to enough hysteria around the power a movie has over an audience.

  • Comics as a genre can be this. First it was trash but had some True Art so it became about spandex and wearing underwear on the outside but that became both predictable and freaky so it was used as a parody so then more quality works became graphic novels but then things got too dark and reconstruction and deconstruction happens but in-between those...
    • You'd have places that separate comics from *ahem* Japanese comics such as manga and then some places would separate that from manhwa
    • You'd have comics with characters that never ever die...then you'd have a fanbase that would worship those characters not dying and paying for movies, merchandise, etc...AND THEN they'd pay for team-ups, artwork and continuity reboots AND THEN you'd have the same fanbase of critics worshipping deconstructions and expies who are still pretty much comic book characters. Watchmen could be considered as both playing this trope straight as well as deconstructing the former freakiness of comic book hero worship.

  • iCarly's peak could be attributed to this. While the shipping fanbase could go to extreme Fetish Fuel squicky interpretations and the more casual fanbase could be entirely oblivious of such observations, it is often not being on either extreme where the gems of the show shine.
    • A common case for this is how iCarly was originally criticized for being a lame TV show based on a web show. When the show dropped the web show focus (while still pretending to keep it), that's when it truly received it's most viewers. Many who were drawn by the characterizations of the actors in a show that seemingly didn't have anything to do with anything thus unintentionally combining itself into a kid's version of Seinfeld that is Darker and Edgier.
    • For the audience who got some of the innuendo being gotten past the radar by the show, the peak of iCarly was seen to be one of the smartest ways to Get Crap Past the Radar of any show both due to it's sheer volume and just the random nature of the show. It got worse and predictably the fanbase recoiled at everything from the girlfriend/boyfriend relationship to the squicky jokes seemingly becoming more forced. YMMV but some feel this is why Victorious (despite heavy network exposure) was not as popular and also why many consider True Jackson V.P. to be a better show despite it's cancellation.

Stand-Up Comedy
  • Though it is unlikely that those involved in the business of selling diamonds care, Bill Maher once told this anecdote:

"Women think about diamonds the way men think about sex, the way leeches think about blood," Bill Maher once remarked. "But diamonds have a lot of blood on them, even without the terrorist connection... because diamonds are mined in Africa by rebel armies, and the rebel armies control the territory and make the villagers mine the diamonds, and they control them through terror, through such lovely things as cutting off the arms of the little children - something you never see in the De Beers commercials.

"Now, I told this to a woman recently, who was only about the nicest person I've ever met - but she is a woman. And I told her about Africa and the armies and the rebels and the terror and the cutting off the arms of the little children. And she looked up at me with a little sad face and said, 'Both arms?'"

  • Rap music started out as a political statement, losing its edge over time.

  • Most are the result of Disneyfication but it's when scientific tries to answer the question that it can't still answer that many worshipped concepts becomes this. This can result in some contradictory social reactions such as people and scientists alike believing in certain theories on say the universe that are just as silly as classic mythological concepts but hold the category of being a theory. This unfortunately exposes many people to cons and pseudoscience and New Age hybrids and it can get particularly dangerous when things become political. Often times, it's not the scientific theories or concepts that become True Art though but what the general oft-cited explanations are and how certain clarifications are used in other works be the shout-outs or current event conversations. By far the best meta-mythology of this is that science should move on but stupid people should be left behind by people who know something about something (including science) when their pre-conceived beliefs have been rebutted by trivia thus often resulting into many people not being able to differentiate between something simple like what a peer reviewed study should be about or leaving the blind test attitude as soon as it comes to arguments where the other side should be quickly rebutted at all.

  • Dating sim games tend to suffer from these initially only to be a troper for adult themed plots only for it's gift giving features to be implemented into other relationship improving aspects of family friendlier games until nowadays most gamers who play any game with extreme grinding features can definitively realize and explain the silliness of dating sims but are unable to correlate this same silly mechanics to their favorite games that have this feature but does not explicitly reveal it as a purpose for dating.
  • As videogames mature, this also applies to urban legends about videogame genres. Certain conservatives might have used to think body horror videogames like Diablo are a simulation of demonic works only for modern propaganda to turn it into a conversation about how it influences school shooting but today even if you're open minded, it's hard to draw a line between not reacting to "What the Hell Hero" as more sandbox games get released and just being a normal gamer. In fact this holds true for normal gamers. That's why there's casual and social gaming as expies for normal and MMORPG games. This gets worse when you are thrown out of the loop and could not afford several consoles. There may come a time when a straight shooter like Doom is considered freaky.

Western Animation
  • An intersting example would be the succession of cable cartoons. Powerpuff Girls was created as a reaction and parody to the saturation of Sailor Moon on cable tv, but their hardline, simplistic style has become the norm for cartoons later on, and the series itself has become a fountain of cutesy merchandise for little girls, which completely misses the point. By the time Panty And Stocking With Garterbelt came out, they felt like a subversion of a well-established, seen-as-cutesy style, when the original spirit of the Powerpuff Girls was one of whopass.
Real life
  • Nerd and geek culture is generally this. Some guys make a wiki for tropes. Then some guys adds certain non-family friendly tropes for the sake of completion. Then something throws it up to Eleven and uses the wiki format as their wank spaceship. Then people criticize the wiki for having it. Then someone more neutral explains the notability of certain tropes. Then all hell breaks loose and no one ends up having a grasp of any standard and the admins of sites ends up trying to eradicate everything while putting certain contents in Noah's Ark and then fails horribly.
  • Politics in general is messy but when you have years of school indoctrination, it could be hard to step by step explain away why...
    • The president is not supposed to be a king
    • A democracy is not a republic
    • A democratic republic does not have a democratic voting system
    • That the person who understands why the president is not king should not hand over their voting process because the president, Congress or the candidate's slogan implies to vaguely support their wedge issues.
    • P.S. This trope only applies to politics if you believe there is indeed a good version of governance but every time discussions get derailed when people predictably point out the flaws of government but ends up also predictably freaking out on what good government could be instead of eliminating the bad government as soon as possible by "not" voting for the lesser of two evils.
  • Porn in general is this. Being a harbinger of innovation, True Art in porn is often criticized as bad until it becomes popular enough as a genre that the fanbase ends up being categorized as weirdos instead only to be subverted by true weirdos whose fanbase create predictable low to middling quality of porn-based clones that they end up riding up to mainstream works (such as porn sites proving that web sites can be profitable in the early days of the internet) only to be taken up to the Eleven by people who are dubbed freaks that surpass the standard of taste by others thus resulting into modern social convention such as there being a similarity between cartoon porn and real life sex which then leads to freakiness when cartoon porn becomes predictably unrealistic and then people just call people who indulge in those as freaks and perverts. (Yes, even the perverts might call others perverts for looking at works that is Predictably Freaky despite being True Art.)

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