Created By: Rolf on April 6, 2011 Last Edited By: Rolf on April 28, 2011
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Third Party Memory

When you see yourself in your recalls.

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Final title: Third Person Flashback

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Needs examples

  • especially averted, subverted and strange ones.

Any quote or picture ideas?


Sometimes as person recalls an event, we get to see what happened then... but wait why is this person's memories showing the person who remembered it? For example, if Bob remembered dating Alice, and we see in his memories: Alice at table, waiting... then Bob appears late and in such a messy state! If it's Bob's memory, we should be seeing it though his eyes.

Usually an Acceptable break from reality as its usually hard to convey events via someones viewpoint, and sometimes because the stage cannot be recreated with the remembering character's viewpoint if it was filmed much earlier.

Anything transmitted through an Exposition Beam is likely to be this.

As this is very common, only list examples that is a subversion or averted. Some of some very odd examples may be added like Farscape example.
Anime
  • In an episode of the anime School Rumble, Yakumo has a flashback/dream to when she was a little kid that is from the first person perspective. Up to and including when the camera shakes up and down to indicate her nodding her head.

Film

Live Action Tv
  • Farscape: As Bialar Crais was forced to recall events on the memory probing chair operated by Scorpius, the screen shows Caris snapping the commander's neck.
  • In Babylon 5 Pilot show, this is notable averted when Kosh got poisoned and an telepath saw the events as seen from Kosh's eyes.

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Real Life
Community Feedback Replies: 28
  • April 7, 2011
    Arivne
    Third Person Memory?

    This is so common that it's the standard depiction of memories. We might want to just note aversions and subversions.
  • April 7, 2011
    Rolf
    Or maybe more unusual examples. possibly yeah.
  • April 7, 2011
    Speedball
    This is still a noteworthy trope, I think, yeah, but it is probably easier to note the twists because it's so omnipresent.
  • April 7, 2011
    Rolf
    Unfortunately this trope is very thin on examples. I couldn't think of any more specific examples besides from farscape, that only because I recently watched that espide and noticed that there was nothing like this on tvtropes.
  • April 8, 2011
    Earnest
    Anything transmitted through an Exposition Beam is likely to be this.

    • Possible aversion: In Eternal Sunshine Of The Spotless Mind, we see the movie as a 3rd person memory of the protagonists dreams. In real life he has no memory of his romantic rival's face because he didn't see it, so even though we see it in 3rd person, no matter how he moves the guy he's always The Blank.
  • April 8, 2011
    Rolf
    Thats a strange example
  • April 8, 2011
    ajmint
    Keep it simple: Third Person Flashback.
  • April 8, 2011
    Rolf
    I'll add it as option but I dont know... its slightly more vague.
  • April 8, 2011
    Rolf
    Which would be best title for this? I'm leaning to one as list shows, but maybe tbeholder's is bit better?
  • April 8, 2011
    amazinglyenough
    Hm, I don't know, I think this is just something that happens because visual media is almost always from a third perspective, and it would be weird to see the main character's memories from his perspective when we don't see his present actions from his perspective. I think that the trope should actually be the subversion/aversion of this.

    Anyway, for what it's worth, I've heard it said that if you have a memory of yourself where you see yourself from the third person, it usually means that you're remembering something that someone else told you about something that happened to you, rather than a real memory of the event.
  • April 9, 2011
    Rolf
    Okay a few things..

    Thats why I agreed with arivne to limit examples.

    That's interesting. any site that can be cited as rare real life example?

    Any more examples?
  • April 10, 2011
    bluepenguin
    If you want aversions, I've noticed that the flashbacks in Silent Hill Homecoming seem to be in first person.

    If you want straight examples... that's harder, because it's so common that it's not really noticeable.
  • April 11, 2011
    Rolf
    Example added. thanks.

    yeah I only want exceptional stright examples or there'd be so many examples we'd have to have a subtrope by media.
  • April 11, 2011
    randomsurfer
    Goes on the Omnipresent Tropes index.
  • April 11, 2011
    DragonQuestZ
    I also vote for Third Person Memory.
  • April 11, 2011
    Rolf
    Decided on flashback one because its more clear on what it is. Yeah, I said it was vague but after some thinking I think its best one of bunch.
  • April 12, 2011
    CousinApril
    • In an episode of the anime School Rumble, Yakumo has a flashback/dream to when she was a little kid that is from the first person perspective. Up to and including when the camera shakes up and down to indicate her nodding her head.
  • April 12, 2011
    randomsurfer
    Pulp Fiction's flashback to when Butch is given his father's watch, with Christopher Walken telling him the story, starts in first-person but then goes third.
  • April 12, 2011
    Rolf
    what media does that belong in? Literature?
  • April 12, 2011
    randomsurfer
    It's a Film.
  • April 13, 2011
    Rolf
    Okay corrected. :)
  • April 13, 2011
    Rolf
    I wanted picture of farscape example, but couldn't find any picture that actually show memories being exposed. Anyone?
  • April 19, 2011
    ajmint
  • April 19, 2011
    Rolf
    I think it's odd enough... added.
  • April 22, 2011
    Rolf
    Is there enough examples to be launched yet? what about quote or picture ideas?
  • April 24, 2011
    Rolf
    ^true or not?
  • April 25, 2011
    sgamer82
    (Deleting my entries, I misunderstood the trope to be when a flashback shows events the character couldn't possibly know about)
  • April 27, 2011
    Rolf

    Final call for examples or feedbacks

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